A Letter to gree - tell me what you think about

[HalbeSuppe]

Dear, K&D-Team,

I started to play this game because of a friend of mine (he plays it roughly a year now) and it was awesome at the beginning. You can get better, your base expandes and your guild gets stronger. I really put efford in it and reached lvl 100 in a blink of an eye with using strong friends to get really good xp and only lvling up base first etc.

The great quest where we had to farm/quest our asses off was incredible hard to beat, but I did it, once more put efford in it like crazy, for the keys. Well, most of us got 2star crap for like all of the keys ... and it is what it is, sad ...

But ok, should not be that much of a problem, even if i find this unbalanced. Why you think? Well there are Guilds out there getting week per week an even stronger armor (and they have to put a **** ton of real money in it to get there) ... but thats ok, really!

The problem is the HUGE difference between the rewards top 10 and 11 and above, thats demotivating, many of our players want to give up the game, there is really no point in playing the game and using gems to get top100 ... and getting 4star crap.

U know, the game is expanding. More and more players are joining because of the game is popular even over a year after it came out. But as the number of gamers increase, the difficulty to get even top100 is incredible with using out of game chat-programs to communicate everytime during war.

When the new war was released, everyone got fired up:
New war, yeah, get the highstat rewards, lets get even better!

And then we saw the Rewards ... Jackalope's Chaingarb (normal or +, both not good). You can be sure, like 15 guilds will try to achieve top10, but the others wont use one single gem. Because what for? There is nothing to gain from that, thats only frustating.

Here is my opinion:
Getting this really really strong armors when you are top 10 is ok, their stats are total of 3152
If you hit 11th your armor has 2224 (which is bad for using gems to get there)
and if you get 26th its 1870 total .. laughable.

Sure the other winnings like getting gems and dark princes keys, water fusion boosts etc ... but the players dont really care! Thats not what they want, they want an armor to work on, to get better, when they use so much time to achieve this goal of the top 100.

So, with that in mind, and with the fact that getting top100 is far harder in guildwars then getting the +version of an epic boss, the unbalance here is too high in my opinion.

I really hope that you consider that and look what you offered the players as a reward. Please consider, that even getting top100 is hard and you have to use gems (which is giving you money), but this war many of us wont have the need to spend them, because of the rewards are not worth it.

What is something with that:
- top 10 as they are
- top 25 shoulshard necromantle (or a weaker 5star) without dark princes keys/fusion boosts
- top 50 weakest 5star (but stats 2500+) without additional
- top 100 strong 4star+ without something
- top250 strong 4star
- lesser rewards

With this, the chances in getting an upgrade is higher and more player would suggest to use gems and compete in the war. The motivation will be high as well and everybody is happy. Gree because of increased gems/money spent and the players who compete because of a goal, because of the chance to get stronger.

Sidenote:
Many lvl100+ player havent got any 5star yet, and they have no luck. My friend used 33 gems (so 3x11) on the chests this time, got nuts and as I said, playes ofer a year now. That is also a kind of lack in the system. Maybe there should be a buyable 5star armor variation (not as strong as shoulshard necromantle, but you should be able to compete with them, with like 300 stats lower) like if you use 11 keys at once, you get 1 5star for sure, or if you use 22 keys, there is one for sure ... or there is the chance to buy one for like 10mil once ... or another time for like 50mil. Its a goal, the players can achieve with playing our game.

Please be so kind and tell me what you think about my ideas and my toughts,
with best regards,
HalbeSuppe from Wilddragoneyes

[Silent follower]

Very well written! +100 like!

[Eunuchorn]

All I read was "$50 bucks should make me a top tier player kthxbai. PS. I'm entitled to it"

[EljayK]

I understand that basis of your letter, and despite a large number of spelling and grammatical errors, the point is concise enough. The issue is the justification of rewards, and suggested re-proportioning. After top 10 should most likely not have the epic. If you assume the number of gems that are spent by each individual player to get even top 10 in GW, the individual price comes to about 800 gems. For a guaranteed epic that's pretty good. No guild under top 10 should get an epic. However; Ribbons A and B should probably get a legendary+, and legendary respectively, that is competitive in the current environment, and reflective of the amount of gems that they have spent.

I have zero problem with the reward architecture. It's the justification that is an issue. No one under top 10 NEEDS an epic. Our guild hit rank 12 in FBA war, and 14 in last serious GW. We had, I believe, 10 members who spent real money. I don't think any of them spent 800 gems. We had 2 people who didn't participate at all. I don't think those 2 deserve a moontide because we got 14th. I don't think that I deserve a moontide for spending 200 gems. I thought GBG+ was a great prize. (future epic boss disregarded). I don't see how Combustion would have been bad in this war. I also don't see a huge problem in the reward being a new legendary that is competitive stat-wise.

Hopefully there will be new legendaries and not just new epics. So this balancing issue can be fixed soon.

[The Pale Rider]

TLDR -- but I'm going to guess the answer based on the thread title, GREE thinks you're a douchy little whiner who should keep buying gems and STFU. Am I right?

[Tachycardia]

Much like the dozen other open letters to Gree, I would not hold my breath for a reply.

[HalbeSuppe]

@Eljayk: English is not my native language and I am lacking experience ... but maybe even for that its written in a bad way ... feel free to correct it, I am still learning :)

@TPR well if I dont get an answer or something like that, even written in more apropriate way would only cause myself to give up on the game, its not like my life is depending on it ---

--- stands for nonsense I wrote ^.^

[-Solo-]

All I read was "$50 bucks should make me a top tier player kthxbai. PS. I'm entitled to it"

It does, if you have a guild full of those type of people with that mindset. Though our opinion of top tier might vary a little bit, top tier is still the top 1%, at least.

[Eunuchorn]

It does, if you have a guild full of those type of people with that mindset. Though our opinion of top tier might vary a little bit, top tier is still the top 1%, at least.

Applying to spending money on wars, sure. But this whole "11 key open should guarantee me an epic" is the most ludicrous idea that people seem to think is totally reasonable.

[bosskiller]

Applying to spending money on wars, sure. But this whole "11 key open should guarantee me an epic" is the most ludicrous idea that people seem to think is totally reasonable.

I totally agree. If that was the case, probably everyone would have epics at this point. I know I would.

[-Solo-]

Well yeah, if people can't understand the concept of RNG, then they need a lesson on common sense. If you're tight on gems/money, why spend on chests and play with chance? Instead, save your gems and guarantee an epic by using those gems for top 10.

[Fts91]

I can see majestic with forgestone+ soulshard+ and the next epic guild war armor+. It's kind of unfair that if they win next guild wars they will pretty much dominate the game for a while with all their plus armors. Why don't they just allow top three guilds get plus armors. Also next war will probably introduce a new fire armor and blazeborne will be fuseable right before that.

[Tachycardia]

I can see majestic with forgestone+ soulshard+ and the next epic guild war armor+. It's kind of unfair that if they win next guild wars they will pretty much dominate the game for a while with all their plus armors. Why don't they just allow top three guilds get plus armors. Also next war will probably introduce a new fire armor and blazeborne will be fuseable right before that.

It's unfair they have active players willing to spend money to win?

[Fts91]

pretty unfair that upcoming guilds spending the same amount of gems as majestic can't compete with them since their members lack as many epic+

[Eunuchorn]

Many of you have clearly never played other Gree games. You know why my guild is #1 on IOS & always will be? Because from the moment guilds were announced, I knew exactly what the system would be.

[Musketeer]

Many of you have clearly never played other Gree games. You know why my guild is #1 on IOS & always will be? Because from the moment guilds were announced, I knew exactly what the system would be.

I understood it was because you & your Guildmates spend an average of 800 gems each per war.

[dragonx254]

Well yeah, if people can't understand the concept of RNG, then they need a lesson on common sense. If you're tight on gems/money, why spend on chests and play with chance? Instead, save your gems and guarantee an epic by using those gems for top 10.
Well, it's not really a GUARANTEE.......

You could spend 1000s of gems but still end up in 11th, and realize you spent 100 chests worth of gems, for a crappy legendary.

Which you could've just opened the chest those 100 times, got some fusion boosts, and got at least some armor to enhance other armors, fuse for other armors, or (highly improbably) got an actual epic.

[-Solo-]

Well, it's not really a GUARANTEE.......

You could spend 1000s of gems but still end up in 11th, and realize you spent 100 chests worth of gems, for a crappy legendary.

Which you could've just opened the chest those 100 times, got some fusion boosts, and got at least some armor to enhance other armors, fuse for other armors, or (highly improbably) got an actual epic.

It is guaranteed. A whole guild spending $50 + refilled energy over time of 3-4 days will get top 10 EASILY. That is if you go by previous war 6-10 scores and if they used their gems wisely to get win bonuses and farmed correctly.

And all the fusion boosts and armors are 'pointless' if you don't have an epic to use them on.

[busteroaf]

pretty unfair that upcoming guilds spending the same amount of gems as majestic can't compete with them since their members lack as many epic+

Majestic has 1, one, uno, um... help me out here with other words for one... ONE Epic+ advantage over other guilds, that being Forgestone+. Every other guild has the same shot at getting other epics as they do, from chests and fusion. Use another excuse.

Also, I see epics in arena ALL THE TIME... and want to know why I beat them with my lowly commander bonus of nothing, just my guild elemental bonuses? Because I leveled mine. Half the reason people lose is because they are using under-leveled armors and "expect to win because you have an Epic." I've lost to teams of maxed legendaries against my full epic team because they had the elemental bonuses that worked, and had them maxed them out. Those people deserve to win. Kudos to them. Those that complain about not being able to beat Epics or Epic+ just need to work harder.

Also, doubtful that you will outspend Majestic. Or at least "wisely" outspend them. They seem to have their stuff together.

[dragonx254]

It does kind of suck to go up against two Maelstrom Irons from one person :(

I have Tectonic maxed, Blazeborne maxed, and Moontide maxed.

Obviously both Blazeborne and Moontide suffer against Maelstrom, and only my Tectonic has any real advantage (plus it at least has comparable total stat count, since Blazeborne standard only has what, 3100 combined? And moontide only 2700, while Maelstrom has 3500 or something, plus a type advantage against both)

One Maelstrom I can deal with (assuming I get lucky in the Arena in regards to the order of the opponents' armor). but 2 maxed? Dead.

[-Solo-]

Agreed. Maelstrom, at least on the Android side because we don't have Cloudrange from war, is overpowered in Arena atm.

[Fts91]

Majestic has 1, one, uno, um... help me out here with other words for one... ONE Epic+ advantage over other guilds, that being Forgestone+. Every other guild has the same shot at getting other epics as they do, from chests and fusion. Use another excuse.

Also, I see epics in arena ALL THE TIME... and want to know why I beat them with my lowly commander bonus of nothing, just my guild elemental bonuses? Because I leveled mine. Half the reason people lose is because they are using under-leveled armors and "expect to win because you have an Epic." I've lost to teams of maxed legendaries against my full epic team because they had the elemental bonuses that worked, and had them maxed them out. Those people deserve to win. Kudos to them. Those that complain about not being able to beat Epics or Epic+ just need to work harder.

Also, doubtful that you will outspend Majestic. Or at least "wisely" outspend them. They seem to have their stuff together.
I'm actually positive that nowhere in my statement did I say Majestic has more than "ONE Epic+ advantage over other guilds" but I'm sensing you think they only have one, somewhere in that nonsense mention of card games. I did, however, mention I could see Majestic with the next two War+ armors, implying they would probably win them, and yet even when I said other guilds would lack as many Epic+, I'm pretty sure that's true considering EVERY SINGLE MEMBER in Majestic besides new recruits would have an Epic+ and therefore every other guild would be put at a disadvantage. Now I'm pretty sure it would take a buttload of money to equip an entire guild with Epic+ but if you already have all Epic+ equipped then I must be wrong. I'm pretty sure every other guild does not have the same shot at getting Epic+ as Majestic does considering the epic+ rate could easily be as low as 1/1000. Why would Majestic have such a greater advantage than other guilds? Simply because, if you missed the point, every single one of there members would have an Epic+ and it would make it that much easier to destroy other guilds. Yes, other guilds have the same shot at getting Epic+ --if they dropped another 10k total to open some chests OR if they happened to win guild wars... which wouldn't be as easy without the entire guild decked out in Epic+ now would it? But I guess if that qualifies as a same shot then I must be wrong.

Also, I really hope you weren't implying that Majestic doesn't know how to level their Epic+ properly or wouldn't take the time to consider elemental advantages only based off your observation that you were able to defeat Epics that were "under-leveled" or had an elemental disadvantage. By the way, there is a difference between an Epic+ and an Epic and did you know that Epic>Legendary?

Also, I am certain I can't outspend Majestic-hell I bet no one can. I estimate I would have to drop a good 5k+ USD to acquire the amount of gems spent by an entire guild haha ;).

4 Epics here 2 maxed

[Rylar]

Just reading the opening post:

I'm not really sure where you are going in the first couple paragraphs, it's just wasting the reader's time. In an intro you should talk about what you want to talk about in the rest of the letter, not ramble about yourself. Or use this time to suck up so they will keep reading.

After that, you jump around with no indications that you are changing the subject. At one point you are talking about the beast chest, then suddenly you are talking about "guilds out there getting stronger", and then you start talking about top 10 vs top 11 without ever bringing up guild wars (which I assume you are talking about). Then you give a solution to your proposed problem, while somewhat over the top (epics to top 50...) it at least makes sense. Then you start rambling some more.

I propose you start over. Decide on what you want the subject of your "letter" to be. Then stick to that subject. Keep it short. Frankly you are asking people at work to take the time to read something they could care less to read.

[busteroaf]

I'm actually positive that nowhere in my statement did I say Majestic has more than "ONE Epic+ advantage over other guilds" but I'm sensing you think they only have one, somewhere in that nonsense mention of card games. I did, however, mention I could see Majestic with the next two War+ armors, implying they would probably win them, and yet even when I said other guilds would lack as many Epic+, I'm pretty sure that's true considering EVERY SINGLE MEMBER in Majestic besides new recruits would have an Epic+ and therefore every other guild would be put at a disadvantage. Now I'm pretty sure it would take a buttload of money to equip an entire guild with Epic+ but if you already have all Epic+ equipped then I must be wrong. I'm pretty sure every other guild does not have the same shot at getting Epic+ as Majestic does considering the epic+ rate could easily be as low as 1/1000. Why would Majestic have such a greater advantage than other guilds? Simply because, if you missed the point, every single one of there members would have an Epic+ and it would make it that much easier to destroy other guilds. Yes, other guilds have the same shot at getting Epic+ --if they dropped another 10k total to open some chests OR if they happened to win guild wars... which wouldn't be as easy without the entire guild decked out in Epic+ now would it? But I guess if that qualifies as a same shot then I must be wrong.

Also, I really hope you weren't implying that Majestic doesn't know how to level their Epic+ properly or wouldn't take the time to consider elemental advantages only based off your observation that you were able to defeat Epics that were "under-leveled" or had an elemental disadvantage. By the way, there is a difference between an Epic+ and an Epic and did you know that Epic>Legendary?

Also, I am certain I can't outspend Majestic-hell I bet no one can. I estimate I would have to drop a good 5k+ USD to acquire the amount of gems spent by an entire guild haha ;).

4 Epics here 2 maxed

I wasn't quoting you saying anything about the next couple wars. I quoted your second post.


pretty unfair that upcoming guilds spending the same amount of gems as majestic can't compete with them since their members lack as many epic+
Currently, the "as many" advantage you speak of, is in fact, one. Just like I stated before. After you get past the Epic they won from the Guild War, everyone else has the same amount of chance to get an epic as they do. How is that hard to understand? One Epic+ is not game breaking. You're also talking in circles and under the assumption that their one Epic+, is in fact, game breaking.

I didn't mention card games here dippy, but thanks for trying. You must be thinking of another thread.

No, I didn't say anything about Majestic not knowing how to level, thanks for a failed assumption. The point was that people think an Epic or Epic+ will change their game. I said that when I faced other Epics in arena, you can tell from the damage output that some of the people I'd faced aren't leveling them fully. That is why they are failing and getting beat.

And yes, I'm clearly aware that Epic > Legendary... but you're forgetting fully leveled, same element combo's. An under-leveled epic has no chance against a maxed legendary with correct element pairing.

[Fts91]

After you get past the Epic they won from the Guild War, everyone else has the same amount of chance to get an epic as they do.

You clearly don't understand: First off, I'm not talking about an Epic. What I am talking about is an Epic+. Secondly, lemme ask you: Who has a better chance of winning the next guild war--a guild with all Epic+ or the guild without these Epics+?


One Epic+ is not game breaking

Lastly, One Epic+ is game breaking if every single person in your guild has one and since an epic plus could be SEVERAL HUNDRED stats better than a regular epic. That could be the difference between a legendary and a normal Epic. Which one wins? I'll let you decide.

[Eunuchorn]

You clearly don't understand: First off, I'm not talking about an Epic. What I am talking about is an Epic+. Secondly, lemme ask you: Who has a better chance of winning the next guild war--a guild with all Epic+ or the guild without these Epics+?

Lastly, One Epic+ is game breaking if every single person in your guild has one and since an epic plus could be SEVERAL HUNDRED stats better than a regular epic. That could be the difference between a legendary and a normal Epic. Which one wins? I'll let you decide.

Actually the guild that spends the most money farming anyone they can beat wins. End of story.
Trust me, elemental combo/knight order > epic+

[imTectonic]

Too OP in my opinion maybe top 15-20 get an epic and 21-50 a legendary+
Support but gree_d does not listen to forum complaints

[Joshx135]

You clearly don't understand: First off, I'm not talking about an Epic. What I am talking about is an Epic+. Secondly, lemme ask you: Who has a better chance of winning the next guild war--a guild with all Epic+ or the guild without these Epics+?*
Lastly, One Epic+ is game breaking if every single person in your guild has one and since an epic plus could be SEVERAL HUNDRED stats better than a regular epic. That could be the difference between a legendary and a normal Epic. Which one wins? I'll let you decide.

Yeah someone in our guild may have an epic+ but what's the point if its not maxed and maybe lvl 60? The stats are going to be much lower than a non + maxed epic.

Also one epic + on every member doesn't make a huge difference. You only need to be able to beat one member. Most of the time top guilds get faced against each other, and most players in those guilds have epics so they should be able to beat one person.