Prestaging a waste of time what did you expect?

[thundarr]

Now that prestaging is a waste of time people are up in arms. Everyone was posting on here how they prestaged maps all the time. It was just a matter of time until Gree figured out a way to stop it. Gree reads this forum obviously and for those who wasted time and XP points just think all you saved before.

[milankovitch]

Now that prestaging is a waste of time people are up in arms. Everyone was posting on here how they prestaged maps all the time. It was just a matter of time until Gree figured out a way to stop it. Gree reads this forum obviously and for those who wasted time and XP points just think all you saved before.

umm, you can still stage the maps. the new targets were added when the old ones were taken away. granted you now have much less time to do so and if you want to finish both regular and prestige mode you will be forced into using gold, but the targets are there and you have time to start staging.
I'm really not sure from where everyone is pulling this idea that gree doesn't want people staging maps. Did they post the info somewhere? Some people use gold to stage, why would gree not want people to use gold? that's just silly.

[Stacey]

OThe point is that a lot of players spent time, and maybe gold, to pre-stage. In doing so they gained a lot of unwanted experience points. If it was GREE's intention of pulling the units and replacing them with new units they should have done so right after the last event ended. This is really a slap in the face to everyone.

[Bobar]

They do what they do all the time: apologize

http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?70223-Recent-Removal-of-Elite-NPCs

"We did not remove them immediately as that is not how the app works. Data can only be added or removed with a deploy, and deploys can only go out so many times in a week." --> There have been several datapushes. And you deploy all the time.

" There was nothing to indicate in the game to indicate that they would be used in the future." --> Will you go on with the game after Mexico?? Cause nothing indicates this up to now!

"... and we will make an effort to be even more clear about our events in the future. " --> Not the first time you promise. Time to act!

[ryguy8899]

I was a little disappointed. As this was the first time I didn't prestage dang I got lucky sorry to others who didn't have luck

[Max Power]

I expected this, but I am still a little sad about it. It was an element of strategy in a game sorely lacking it. Now its just a contest of hitting moving targets hundreds of times on a tiny phone which is flat out not fun. Games are supposed to be fun.I am wondering why Gree went to these lengths to kill staging when they easily just could have made the LTQ more difficult rather than adding all these stupid moving targets. No programming required.

[Skoalrulz]

I don't know why your all mad. Gree outsmarted you get over it. It's a game that has always changed and will change again. Make sure you pre stage all the levels that are in this ltq. They will be used in the next one. Gree just told me that they are

[Bobar]

Gree just told me that they are

Am sure Gree did......

[milankovitch]

I don't know why your all mad. Gree outsmarted you get over it. It's a game that has always changed and will change again. Make sure you pre stage all the levels that are in this ltq. They will be used in the next one. Gree just told me that they are

troll.....

[Skoalrulz]

Your words hurt my feelings. Maybe I should cry to gree. There forums have mean peopel

[milankovitch]

you can't troll me. go back to your bridge.

[jorge54]

I don't care that they pulled the new targets, if that really was your intention. But it would have been nice to know that the new targets for "ONLY" for the one event in advance. That would have been the nice upfront "COMMUNICATION" that the Moderators have said they would try to do a better job.

Gree I do believe you have succeeded in accomplishing the following things:
1. Made more gold players now free
2. Caused more players to quit
3. With fewer total players the game experience has been diminished.

[Tee]

Gree I do believe you have succeeded in accomplishing the following things:
1. Made more gold players now free
2. Caused more players to quit
3. With fewer total players the game experience has been diminished.

Absolutely agree with this.

[Teal'c]

Aye, it has. I kind of enjoyed the excitement of pre-staging. It added another element to the event, it was kind of like a 'meta' game so to speak. It certainly made the hourly time invested in the game worth it.

[Philly982]

Aside from whether it was right or wrong, I find it interesting that Gree had their programmers spending what appears to be considerable time developing the last elite targets, getting rid of them, and developing new targets when that programming time could have been spent fixing bugs and glitches that have been on going for several months.

[Bobar]

becomes more and more tapping, gree destroys every way to put a Little more tactical playing into that game

[Socks]

Some people prestage all their units for reasons other than LTQ's. I prestage units for when I KNOW I'm making a purchase that will put me overvault. That way, I can be OV for as short a period of time as possible. Picking up a level 7 Mad Scientist Lab will put me overvault.

Any other questions?

[Bobar]

it´s sad they dont allow us to share tips and tricks (i am not talking about cheating!). every time we do gree tries to use that against us players.

gree, dont bite the Hand feeding you....

[frettlessibanez]

It was good while it lasted, now to find an easier way to get through the new setup. I kind of like the new way. It was frustrating me to have several maps all ready and the event didn't even involve those maps. I'll miss blowing through the first 10 or 12 ltq levels as soon as it loads, but it's fun to have a bit more of a challenge.

[K.Illin]

Now that prestaging is a waste of time people are up in arms. Everyone was posting on here how they prestaged maps all the time. It was just a matter of time until Gree figured out a way to stop it. Gree reads this forum obviously and for those who wasted time and XP points just think all you saved before.

Seriously, I think we've all been seeing the trend, but to some extent, denying it's reality. Although gold ($$money$$) has always been a facet of MW, as it is, and continues to be in most of the games we play, the games have evolved into money making machines similar to casinos. You may agree, or disagree, but one thing is clear, the development of these games has become profit based, and profit driven. If you have been paying attention, GREE has for a number of reasons, had to find new and creative means of generating operating capital, while increasing profits, and what better way to do it! Take a game like MW for which a significant number of it's players have become engrossed to the point of obsession, and even addiction, and start changing the game to satiate the die-hards, and make them feel like they're getting more bang for their buck, and while they are reveling in their glory, for all of the gifts that have been bestowed upon them, and salivating at the prospect of more, change it again! But, this time, because you have them hooked, you modify the game to force the need, the desire, for bigger and better units, and power, which can only be obtained by buying more gold. Forgetting player development, the marketing and financial development has been brilliant on the part of GREE, and regardless of how poor their customer service and programming may be, they know that at this point in time, the money machine will only continue to grow due to the huge investment countless numbers of players have made, and are not willing to let go of. This is no different than laying your money on a table in Vegas; even though you may be losing money, they will always do whatever is necessary to keep you playing such as comping dinners, rooms, free chips, whatever it takes to keep you hanging on to that feeling that its only a matter of time before you hit it big! The problem with that, as it is proven out everyday, is that the house always wins! Beware of "Trojan Horses!"

[Agent Orange]

I would say I don't really care one way or the other. If you spent gold prestaging shame on you, for you had to know that there would be a possibility of Gree changing something.

And it is not like Gree or even Funzio for that matter have never changed something in the game without warning. The only strategy in this 'strategy' game is to be prepared for changes and not have a long term strategy.

Besides we all cashed on some of their latest mistakes and they didn't claw them back, good on you for that Gree.

[K.Illin]

I would say I don't really care one way or the other. If you spent gold prestaging shame on you, for you had to know that there would be a possibility of Gree changing something.

And it is not like Gree or even Funzio for that matter have never changed something in the game without warning. The only strategy in this 'strategy' game is to be prepared for changes and not have a long term strategy.

Besides we all cashed on some of their latest mistakes and they didn't claw them back, good on you for that Gree.

You must work for GREE. ;-)

[Agent Orange]

You must work for GREE. ;-)

I did not read your post.

[K.Illin]

I did not read your post.

So I assume you've read it then, and get the gist of it?

[Agent Orange]

Seriously, I think we've all been seeing the trend, but to some extent, denying it's reality. Although gold ($$money$$) has always been a facet of MW, as it is, and continues to be in most of the games we play, the games have evolved into money making machines similar to casinos. You may agree, or disagree, but one thing is clear, the development of these games has become profit based, and profit driven. If you have been paying attention, GREE has for a number of reasons, had to find new and creative means of generating operating capital, while increasing profits, and what better way to do it! Take a game like MW for which a significant number of it's players have become engrossed to the point of obsession, and even addiction, and start changing the game to satiate the die-hards, and make them feel like they're getting more bang for their buck, and while they are reveling in their glory, for all of the gifts that have been bestowed upon them, and salivating at the prospect of more, change it again! But, this time, because you have them hooked, you modify the game to force the need, the desire, for bigger and better units, and power, which can only be obtained by buying more gold. Forgetting player development, the marketing and financial development has been brilliant on the part of GREE, and regardless of how poor their customer service and programming may be, they know that at this point in time, the money machine will only continue to grow due to the huge investment countless numbers of players have made, and are not willing to let go of. This is no different than laying your money on a table in Vegas; even though you may be losing money, they will always do whatever is necessary to keep you playing such as comping dinners, rooms, free chips, whatever it takes to keep you hanging on to that feeling that its only a matter of time before you hit it big! The problem with that, as it is proven out everyday, is that the house always wins! Beware of "Trojan Horses!"

Ok, I read your post. It does not apply to me. I don't spend money on the game, in fact I find it more challenging to play without spending money since that is the far more challenging way to play.

I agree that the game is designed to become addictive but then that is the whole idea of these free internet games/apps otherwise how else would the game developers be able to afford their expensive toys? And yes a relative of mine works as a lead designer for a very large gaming company and he takes great sport in showing off all the new automotive toys he keeps buying with YOUR money.

Anyhow this game isn't unlike how places like Vegas do business, the allure of big payouts, but the thing with online games is they can control things there is no gaming commission looking over their shoulder. Didn't you ever wonder why payouts on the case events are so weird. Could it be because the developers can see what is being spent and when things start to drop off they toss a few carrots into the mix and suddenly everyone is excited and their wallets start spewing cash....

Most likely why they are inundating us with all these events, crap we have 3 goals and a Tournament on the go. Insanity....

I'm surprised that more players have not burned out or bankrupted themselves though it is only a matter of time and that time seems to be moving towards us at an ever faster rate.

[thundarr]

I'm surprised that more players have not burned out or bankrupted themselves though it is only a matter of time and that time seems to be moving towards us at an ever faster rate.

I agree 100% and burnout will start accelerating now. One of our faction leaders just retired.

[Adm.J]

Thundarr is just complaining again. And yes, for the record, I am complaining about Thundarr complaining.

[Mcdoc]

So when you have to kill a target 12 times - or 40 times - pre-staging has No meaning anyways :/

[thundarr]

Thundarr is just complaining again. And yes, for the record, I am complaining about Thundarr complaining.

For the record: I never pre staged and I am glad they eliminated the advantage for doing it. Its one less thing I have to do.

[The Pharoah]

We all know the upshot of this is that Modern War is a game.

It is not real.

You do not have anything invested in it. You are never going to get anything back. If your faction wins a tank, you cannot drive to work in it. The challenges and the prizes are notional, not actual.

You choose to play, or you choose not to play. It is not a requirement that every player dive headlong into every goal or win every trophy: Your rivals will not actually blow up your house and steal all your money if you lose a battle.

The game is ongoing, there are no winners or loser as much, only those who enjoy the experience of playing and those who, oddly, do not enjoy it but continue to do it anyway.

On a separate note, I don't think it benefits anyone, or encourages anyone, to constantly complain that developers and admins don't jump when you say jump. You do not employ them. Please try to understand that they are not at liberty to do whatever they want with respect to the game, and when they are on the clock they are responsive to the demands of the company that pays their wages, just like you are.

[K.Illin]

Your words hurt my feelings. Maybe I should cry to gree. There forums have mean peopel

Thanks for being "that guy!"

[K.Illin]

We all know the upshot of this is that Modern War is a game.

It is not real.

You do not have anything invested in it. You are never going to get anything back. If your faction wins a tank, you cannot drive to work in it. The challenges and the prizes are notional, not actual.

You choose to play, or you choose not to play. It is not a requirement that every player dive headlong into every goal or win every trophy: Your rivals will not actually blow up your house and steal all your money if you lose a battle.

The game is ongoing, there are no winners or loser as much, only those who enjoy the experience of playing and those who, oddly, do not enjoy it but continue to do it.

On a separate note, I don't think it benefits anyone, or encourages anyone, to constantly complain that developers and admins don't jump when you say jump. You do not employ them. Please try to understand that they are not at liberty to do whatever they want with respect to the game, and when they are on the clock they are responsive to the demands of the company that pays their wages, just like you are.

Although you may be too limp wristed to stand up for yourself, regardless of the circumstance, normal people, especially those who have invested time and energy in something they're a part of, have the right, and to some extent the duty to express their discontent with the way things are being managed. And although it is just a cyber game, it is no less important than any other competitive activity people may choose to pursue. Interestingly enough, you apparently have enough invested in the game (think beyond money), that you feel compelled to puruse the forum's seeking information. Either that, or you just like trying to elevate yourself above the fray, as a means of trying to feel superior to your peers. You sound as if you need to be heard, and recognized, which I'm guessing you don't get in the real world. You also sound like another GREE employee.

[thundarr]

We all know the upshot of this is that Modern War is a game.

It is not real.

You do not have anything invested in it. You are never going to get anything back. If your faction wins a tank, you cannot drive to work in it. The challenges and the prizes are notional, not actual.

You choose to play, or you choose not to play. It is not a requirement that every player dive headlong into every goal or win every trophy: Your rivals will not actually blow up your house and steal all your money if you lose a battle.

The game is ongoing, there are no winners or loser as much, only those who enjoy the experience of playing and those who, oddly, do not enjoy it but continue to do it anyway.

On a separate note, I don't think it benefits anyone, or encourages anyone, to constantly complain that developers and admins don't jump when you say jump. You do not employ them. Please try to understand that they are not at liberty to do whatever they want with respect to the game, and when they are on the clock they are responsive to the demands of the company that pays their wages, just like you are.

Nice philosophical post. First of all who drives to work in a tank? What we do or not do is up to us, if we want to dive headlong into every goal that is our prerogative. We all know this is a game and the prizes are not real, can you imagine that pile of military hardware delivered to your door, you would have the CIA or FBI there in a minute. You could explain by saying "I thought it was a game, I don't know where those 7 Wraith Goliath tanks came from" as they dragged you away to be interrogated. If we want to vent on here we do. I beg to differ about who employs the developers and admins, we indirectly employ them through our support of this game and they need to be responsive to our complaints and wishes. Maybe if they had some more programmers and beta testers (besides us) we wouldn't be complaining so much.

[Max Power]

For the record: I never pre staged and I am glad they eliminated the advantage for doing it. Its one less thing I have to do.So, because you didnt do it, you are glad they killed it. Got it.

[thundarr]

So, because you didnt do it, you are glad they killed it. Got it.

In a word, YES because it takes a lot of time and I was being criticized for complaining so I pointed out that I never prestaged. Am I crazy about how they did it, NO.