View Full Version : Constructive criticism of new matching Algorithm
Munseyspin
09-30-2013, 12:36 PM
I've posted it elsewhere.............but it does n't work, please try again.
A few hours ago we were lying in 650th position at 170k cps were matched with Mmmonster at 3.35m cp's laying in about 20th at the time. Despite a valiant effort we lost, lol. Only around 630 places different.
Anyone beat this?
Boo hoo. I would take them over FUN any day.
KillerVirus666
09-30-2013, 01:01 PM
During this war our guild had the worst match ups yet. A lot of the times we got matched with guilds with under 20 players but all member were too powerful for us, over 1 mil defense. During these types of battles overwhelming majority of our members (34/35) had to hit the castle.
It seems that the matching is done by total A/D, whereas I think a more fair match would be based on average A/D.
Aronius
09-30-2013, 01:11 PM
We faced none of our regular opponents... We jumped from fighting top 200 to top 750 guilds we are usually around 400 in rank now.... This time around we fought 5-6 give up matches... Not even our GG could land a hit on them.
Munseyspin
09-30-2013, 02:16 PM
E-I who's boo hooing, me or you? I'm offering constructive criticism, pointing out a valid flaw in the system i experienced. Idk what guild you are in, but if you are in the top 600, which I'd guess you are, then according to the new algorithm you can draw FUN. So get the Kleenex for your own eyes....
Sgt Maj
09-30-2013, 02:28 PM
Yeah, this was the toughest yet. I am not sure what happened, but it totally makes the game less fun if you repeatedly get your a#$ handed to you battle after battle. We do not mind the losing (winning and losing are functions of money in this game), what we mind is the inability of any of our players to land hits battle after battle.
Sgt Maj
09-30-2013, 02:29 PM
And EI, what is the difference between fighting MMonster and FUN when there is that much of a difference? Once they are untouchable to you, it is all the same.
StrictNine
09-30-2013, 03:00 PM
Boo hoo. I would take them over FUN any day.
Any one would but the thread starter was just pointing out something and asking if anyone had a wider separation in match ups. I'd be curious to know if anyone had a wider separation.
Ratma2001
09-30-2013, 03:10 PM
Hot Tub was in around 170th and got matched with our sister guild in top 10 , both on a winning streak !
It appears that the systems was corrupted in match ups, it was atroucious !
Some guilds we could even Hit !
so did FUN get matched with FUN 2 , i doubt it !
Lithia
09-30-2013, 03:37 PM
This is because a lot of the bigger stronger players are leaving the main guild for the war and creating mini guilds just to go after the 50 or 56 win streaks.
So you guys that are lower down the leader boards will face folks with huge stats, and nice gem piles.
Unfortunately this has already hit MW and looks like its with us in KA now.
Sgt Maj
09-30-2013, 03:59 PM
So should we take this as the new normal? If so, I am not sure I like it.
Mr. Sirmanchoo
09-30-2013, 04:11 PM
I've posted it elsewhere.............but it does n't work, please try again.
A few hours ago we were lying in 650th position at 170k cps were matched with Mmmonster at 3.35m cp's laying in about 20th at the time. Despite a valiant effort we lost, lol. Only around 630 places different.
Anyone beat this?
Well, my guild was stuck in the war declare screen from Saturday morning until the end. We were never able to participate in the wars... Gree support never responded to our tickets either. So when it comes to having a unfair battle... we had no battle.......
NinjaHonu
09-30-2013, 04:41 PM
Well, my guild was stuck in the war declare screen from Saturday morning until the end. We were never able to participate in the wars... Gree support never responded to our tickets either. So when it comes to having a unfair battle... we had no battle.......
This guild takes the trophy. Worst F'n luck. I feel bad for you and your guild. I hope gree figures there sht out because this is ridiculous.
Person
09-30-2013, 04:48 PM
honestly i hope more matchups will be like the OPs.
means i dont get to draw top 3 guilds anymore.
almost got my 3 piece set this weekend, but we decided that it was in everyone's interest if i didnt declare anymore :)
AndOne707
09-30-2013, 05:18 PM
People have definitely have change their strategy.
I get that... But having matches with opponents in which you cannot fight is a bit extreme.
How can anyone strive for 50 wins when u face Godzilla at one point. ???
All you can do is watch how many points they score.
Shinazueli
09-30-2013, 06:18 PM
Yep. And that's what every single guild who has to face top3 feels like.
plavine
09-30-2013, 07:10 PM
We had the same problem .
My guild was around 1500, our highest player is 1.4mil our next is 1.1 and I am 970k.
We have 38 members . We got matched up with a 1 person guild whose def was 2.7 mil and lower level than most of us . He killed us . Then we were matched up against a 22 player guild whose highest player was 768, but he was level 134.
I'm level 175 and didnt score more than 200 points . They beat us by 7000.
Our matchups were okay this time, although we did get 2 of the top 3. We were Top 50 last time and Top 25 this time. We don't even try to get the 50 wins -- i don't think we are meant to. I think it's Gree's way of trying to break up the Top teams and make things more competitive.
JanKA
09-30-2013, 09:55 PM
Our matchups were okay this time, although we did get 2 of the top 3. We were Top 50 last time and Top 25 this time. We don't even try to get the 50 wins -- i don't think we are meant to. I think it's Gree's way of trying to break up the Top teams and make things more competitive.
We noticed that every time we are near the end of a streak, we get a top10 guild. We are top100.
And got the same few top10s a few times, which is strange considering there are so many guilds out there.
We noticed that every time we are near the end of a streak, we get a top10 guild. We are top100.
And got the same few top10s a few times, which is strange considering there are so many guilds out there.
Yeah we had the same thing happen, usually with about 2 wins to go.
bu77er
10-01-2013, 03:59 AM
elgorithm is no bueno
Tough matches are going to happen and close matches make the game fun.
Every guild deserves a chance at winning a match!
Battles should be matched mainly by ranking in my opinion, then things like this would not happen.
After every battle your current rank would dictate your next match.
1-5
3-10
7-18
12-25
20-40
30-60
50-100
80-160
120-250
200-400
300-600
450-900
700-1500
1000-......
Starting match could be made from previous war rank.
Just my opinion :)
Sigfried
10-01-2013, 12:05 PM
You have to change your strategy to play against these super guilds. My strategy. I quit Kingdom Age. We faced too many guilds we couldn't get a single win on. And we are a top 100 guild. This is the way Gree wants to go. I want to go another. Now I have lots of free time on my hands.
Guido69
10-01-2013, 12:26 PM
Now I have lots of free time on my hands.
Then everything is fine, right?
Alexius
10-01-2013, 12:27 PM
We can't have it both ways. We said we didn't want to face the same guilds over and over and they did a good job of that this time. We also complained that matching was too slow so they fixed that. Now we're saying that we don't want to fight powerful guilds. The problem is that the more people close to your level you beat, the fewer opponents you will have to match to. You can either wait it out for a new guild close to your level declares or you can adapt in other ways. Things will never be tailored to fit your individual expectations. There are too many people involved for that.
Guido69
10-01-2013, 12:36 PM
We can't have it both ways. We said we didn't want to face the same guilds over and over and they did a good job of that this time. We also complained that matching was too slow so they fixed that. Now we're saying that we don't want to fight powerful guilds. The problem is that the more people close to your level you beat, the fewer opponents you will have to match to. You can either wait it out for a new guild close to your level declares or you can adapt in other ways. Things will never be tailored to fit your individual expectations. There are too many people involved for that.
Yep, I agree
Munseyspin
10-01-2013, 02:30 PM
Actually, going back to my OP, I think we should be able to get relatively fast matches against guilds of a similar "power" or "strength" as was written and advertised on this forum by Gree employees. That's all I'm asking for, so I don't think I'm asking for it both ways? The algorithm is flawed and needs editing; simple as that really IMO.
Krayt
10-01-2013, 02:47 PM
There is always going to be someone complaining, too many people/guilds to make everyone happy. Everyone only wants what is best for their character and when things don't go their way they will complain
Darth Randy
10-01-2013, 03:14 PM
What a load or crap, we are a top 300 guild, middle of the road and we fought at least 2 guilds 3 times. Twitch 100's of guilds within 1 bracket of us, why would we even see 1 a second mime, let along a 3rd? Everything is broke abuout the system from what most all average guilds are saying, notice who isn't complaining? We having FUN yet?
KM KAge
10-01-2013, 03:24 PM
What a load or crap, we are a top 300 guild, middle of the road and we fought at least 2 guilds 3 times. Twitch 100's of guilds within 1 bracket of us, why would we even see 1 a second mime, let along a 3rd? Everything is broke abuout the system from what most all average guilds are saying, notice who isn't complaining? We having FUN yet?
Agree completely. Yeah I know I commented during the wars, but the matching for us was horrible. As a top 200 guild, we were matched against Angry Red Heads two out of three times, one of the high SB guilds, FUN, and two other top 75 guilds we met twice each. For all of the wars, we only fought one that was below us in the rankings. All others were at least 90 spots ahead of us.
I agree my guild are normally placed 404 - 410
This round we faced some ridiculous opponents including FUN, where we couldn't get even a hit in!
Our last war was exactly like that, but all we could hit was the castle. Missed the top 400 by 8k in points, gutted!
Something needs to be done...
Hawk25
10-01-2013, 04:27 PM
Funzio try to improve the wars, and i agree with that, but i think is not going in the right way, one of the elements to Match up is the total force of the guild, i tell our experience , i think that everybody Will be agree that our experience is not fun
We are 42 members , first Match against a guild with only 4 members, the average force of 4 members is very different that the average force of 42, so we only could attack the castle ( no fun)
Second fight against a guild with only 6 members, again (no fun)
Third fight against a guild with only 10 members, only te stronger players could do a hit against the weaker player of that guild
About 50% of our Match up Was with small guild
I think to have fun, first big guild more members more fun, and Second use the average force to Match and You let scout, fight and have fun
larrydavid
10-01-2013, 04:54 PM
constructive? We were top 100 and got matched with RK and SB within 4 hours...the result - ipod meet wall.
Alucard47
10-01-2013, 05:28 PM
My guild faced similar issues. We met several guilds where our strongest player (2M att) couldn't beat the weakest player in the other guild. We wasted 8-9 battles doing nothing and missed out on next level bonus unit because of it.
Did anyone get the final count for the consecutive win prize? I would think it has to be down. I know the top ten devolved to the point where one team would time matching with another so that they would block them from a consecutive prize.
You have to change your strategy to play against these super guilds. My strategy. I quit Kingdom Age. We faced too many guilds we couldn't get a single win on. And we are a top 100 guild. This is the way Gree wants to go. I want to go another. Now I have lots of free time on my hands.
Then what are you doing here?
almarro1
10-02-2013, 08:43 AM
Hot Tub was in around 170th and got matched with our sister guild in top 10 , both on a winning streak !
It appears that the systems was corrupted in match ups, it was atroucious !
Some guilds we could even Hit !
so did FUN get matched with FUN 2 , i doubt it !
Not this time, we were smart and waited until FUN was matched to declare. Two wars ago, 2 matches in a row.
Darth Randy
10-02-2013, 08:59 AM
constructive? We were top 100 and got matched with RK and SB within 4 hours...the result - ipod meet wall.
And my team, top 300 met you. At least you got some balance. Our active crew managed 6 win this war, to go along with our 36 losses. Only in a couple of those losses would gem spending changed the results. For the most part we were toyed with. Honest, names out of a hat would have been better for us.
JBash
10-02-2013, 10:50 AM
My guild was well into the top 400 with 7 battles remaining. Then for the last seven battles our opponents were all 1-5 man guilds with players we couldn't even hit. All we could do was sit there and hit the wall and castle and watch our standing drop and drop until we ended up top 500.
The algorithm needs to take into account the number of players making up the A/D total. Match those single player guilds against each other for a couple of days and they will go away.
Darth Randy
10-02-2013, 12:16 PM
The algorithm needs to be 90% based on avg attk/def, it's the only way to stop gaming the system. Even hen you still have the level penalty issue going.
AllFather Odin
10-02-2013, 12:21 PM
Our guild was rank 203 2 wars ago and was matched with RK this weekend. As soon as we saw who we were going up against, we just put our hands on our heads, curled into a ball and embraced the beatdown for 1 hour. Final score was like 560k to 1.5K? Can't remember......
KM KAge
10-02-2013, 01:11 PM
It looks like the algorithm goes something like this.
If FUN is not matched, match them with the next guild to declare war.
If RK is not matched, match them with the next guild to declare war.
If SB is not matched, match them with the next guild to declare war.
.
.
.
If any other guild has declared war and any of the above have less than 5 minutes left in their current war, have them wait.
Muddy
10-02-2013, 02:34 PM
The algorithm needs to be 90% based on avg attk/def, it's the only way to stop gaming the system. Even hen you still have the level penalty issue going.
Doesn't work.
20 members with 5m stats will win 40 members with stats 2,5m
It looks like the algorithm goes something like this.
If FUN is not matched, match them with the next guild to declare war.
If RK is not matched, match them with the next guild to declare war.
If SB is not matched, match them with the next guild to declare war.
.
.
.
If any other guild has declared war and any of the above have less than 5 minutes left in their current war, have them wait.
Not quite. If that were the case they would have played 65+ battles instead of 50 something. They still had to wait a long time to match. Just not as long.
Darth Randy
10-02-2013, 04:09 PM
Doesn't work.
20 members with 5m stats will win 40 members with stats 2,5m
That's aggregate not average.
larrydavid
10-02-2013, 04:29 PM
That's aggregate not average.
lol, Muddy clearly works for gree.
Vile Lynn
10-02-2013, 04:59 PM
Doesn't work.
20 members with 5m stats will win 40 members with stats 2,5m
I disagree. :cool: No reason the 40-member guild has to lose! One can always gem the balrogs out of the castle.
(always exceptions... just pointing out the obvious)
Hawk25
10-02-2013, 11:14 PM
Attack The castle is not fun, who wants to spend gems in that
Vile Lynn
10-03-2013, 07:04 AM
Attack The castle is not fun, who wants to spend gems in that
I guess it depends on how much one wants to win. :)
It's all a dream
10-03-2013, 07:36 AM
Attack The castle is not fun, who wants to spend gems in that
if you win by hitting the castle that ought to be unexpected pleasant outcome.
Vile Lynn
10-03-2013, 08:17 AM
if you win by hitting the castle that ought to be unexpected pleasant outcome.
Totally!
lol, I wouldn't want to try it, but it could happen: many late night battles while I was fighting alone, I had a tiny 3K lead within the first 3 mins & fell asleep, missing the end of the battle (oops!)
Lucky for me, they all gave up early, but they could have taken our castle & easily won, especially with 40+ members using all of their free hits in the last 5 mins; no gems required.
It is a strategic option.
Don't get any ideas! I won't be falling asleep and accidentally missing the end of any battle during the next war:cool:
Darth Randy
10-03-2013, 10:21 AM
What would be interesting is if walls played a greater role, double the health, reduce attack values in half and double the CP. Then IN GAME gold would be worth more and real world gold wouldnt be the only factor in wars.
Lithia
10-03-2013, 10:37 AM
I always see some light at the end of the tunnel....but in this instance i am afraid there is none.
All guilds outside the top 10 know that they are never going to break into the top 3, and now that Gree have made the 50 win, and 56 win streak more lucrative than the other finishing rewards this is only going to get worse.
And unfortunately its the old saying " if you can't beat them, join them" so sorry in advance to all the lower ranked guilds for the next war, but i too will likely be in a mini super guild doing the same thing :cool:
Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.2.2 Copyright © 2025 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved.