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Unfortunately pretty much all games suffer from cheats and hacks. Its very hard to completely stamp out cheating using game design and technology alone.
One solution to limit the amount of hacks in k and d would be to conduct cheat tests (akin the random drug tests in sports).
Basically what they could do is check the database for all gems a player receives from chests, rewards and purchases and compare it to the amount of gems they have spent and accumulated (obviously their ability to easily do so will be dependent on what data they capture). They could even simplify it by only checking purchases and compare that with the amount of gems a player has. Those accounts that have a significant discrepancy are likely to be cheating and can be investigated further. They could do this during guild wars for the top 10 or 25 guilds, both midway through the war (to enable them to make bans before players receive their rewards) and at the end of wars. They could also do this for arena and epic boss.
A batch script could be used to check user accounts, or a reporting system could be created that enables staff to easily check and compare this data.
Ensuring that the community is relatively free of cheats will likely improve grees profits and make the game more enjoyable for honest players.
1. Players are more likely to spend money if they have confidence that they are participating in a fair game.
2. Players are less likely to hack and may opt to spend real money if they believe there is a good chance they will be caught and banned.
Another, likely more expensive method, would be to ensure that all data is stored serverside rather than client side. But this would probably require investing in more hardware and server resources and would probably entail significant changes to the game architecture.
Joshx135
09-29-2013, 04:38 PM
I dont think GREE cares enough to actually do this. Anyways when a hacker is high up in something like the arena, people who dont hack just have to spend more to actually beat them. So hacking just makes more money for GREE.
RevzZ
09-29-2013, 04:40 PM
Gems are already server sided, meaning you can't cheat them anyway. It'll just be a waste of resources and time to check everyone for gem counts when it is absolutely, extremely rare that someone is able to hack gems. Even when one would, hypothetically, achieve a gem hack, they'd hardly stand out and affect the gameplay. If they did (referring to the case of previous hackers who changed their stats), they'd be banned and removed from the leaderboard, doing no damage to competing players. Plus those who are most likely to hack are those who've either just started or gotten bored with the game, meaning they have no intention of paying anyway.
I dont think GREE cares enough to actually do this. Anyways when a hacker is high up in something like the arena, people who dont hack just have to spend more to actually beat them. So hacking just makes more money for GREE.
Or alternatively people just end up figuring that if they can't beat them they may as well join them, thereby converting otherwise honest gem spenders into cheaters and lowering gree's bottom line in the process.
Gems are already server sided, meaning you can't cheat them anyway. It'll just be a waste of resources and time to check everyone for gem counts when it is absolutely, extremely rare that someone is able to hack gems. Even when one would, hypothetically, achieve a gem hack, they'd hardly stand out and affect the gameplay. If they did (referring to the case of previous hackers who changed their stats), they'd be banned and removed from the leaderboard, doing no damage to competing players. Plus those who are most likely to hack are those who've either just started or gotten bored with the game, meaning they have no intention of paying anyway.
Unfortunately I have seen hacks for kd that apparently give players unlimited gems and gold etc. Having never tried them myself I don't know if they work or not though.
Hildigam
09-29-2013, 04:48 PM
Unfortunately I have seen hacks for kd that apparently give players unlimited gems and gold etc. Having never tried them myself I don't know if they work or not though.
I have never heard of one that did.
Aside from that almost all games have a report system to report anomolies. So when a player reports a glitch or hack they pull up the incident reporter, check all the ips that report the incidents, then repeat offenders are banned.
If I had the courage I would do some testing myself, but alas I am a coward lol
Tachycardia
09-29-2013, 05:07 PM
no, they don't work, at least not on IOS, also Gree won't be wasting money and time by implementing a time consuming feature such as that.
Android has more security issues than IOS, but for the most part the cheating as of late is reserved to glitches.
If you tried you could have unlimited gems. Do eb until get enchanted chest keys. Use gamekiller, find the code for it. duplicate keys. have 10000000+ keys. open 11 chest at a time. everytime get what 30 gems. Do it 500 if you WANT. For unlimited money or just alot of money use the gems to upgrade ur training fields. Keep doing. To become best in knd you use gems to open the epic chest. Get each epic. Wait for the open 11 chest and get 4 fusion boost from dpc chest. Get a dpc key. Duplicate the key. unlimited fusion boost. You are now the best. Use the gems from enchanted chest in GW. Done :)
Joshx135
09-29-2013, 05:23 PM
Almost all hacks dont work because everything is sever sided now.
If gree were to make an official statement saying they don't work then it would go a long way to restoring my faith in the game.
ilvtfu
09-29-2013, 05:29 PM
This was posted on line, one of my guild members said it happened to his friend who glitched during the recent wars.
http://i.imgur.com/mIDFT3i.jpg?1
Hopefully it's not fake and GREE is actually taking action against cheaters
Tachycardia
09-29-2013, 05:33 PM
Gree banned quite a few players last war, on IOS and Android
That's good to hear at least.
Question, if an account is banned is it easy to create another account or would they need to install on another device?
Tachycardia
09-29-2013, 05:59 PM
Depends on how Gree tracks the account.
If it uses the Apple or Play Store ID it would be simple enough.
If they go further to tag the ICCID or IMEI address it would need to be a new device or some crafty deception.
Lord Of The Infernal
09-29-2013, 09:19 PM
If you tried you could have unlimited gems. Do eb until get enchanted chest keys. Use gamekiller, find the code for it. duplicate keys. have 10000000+ keys. open 11 chest at a time. everytime get what 30 gems. Do it 500 if you WANT. For unlimited money or just alot of money use the gems to upgrade ur training fields. Keep doing. To become best in knd you use gems to open the epic chest. Get each epic. Wait for the open 11 chest and get 4 fusion boost from dpc chest. Get a dpc key. Duplicate the key. unlimited fusion boost. You are now the best. Use the gems from enchanted chest in GW. Done :)
Ok thank for the information sound like a safe ideal! will try when i get home ^_^
Mr Spock
09-29-2013, 09:53 PM
Ok thank for the information sound like a safe ideal! will try when i get home ^_^
Ignore... :/
gnolaum
10-09-2013, 10:32 PM
I friend of mine had decided to stop playing, so we tried to use one of the hack tools on his account for SCIENCE.
Turns out that not only could we not get them to work, we couldn't even get one. They are all hidden behind paswords and click this to download / release the password; except when you do you get a ton of malware/spyware/viruses/etc without actually getting to download the hack tool or password.
Not saying there aren't ways to hack, but the advertized hack tools don't exists, don't work.
knights
10-10-2013, 12:03 PM
I see people on arena and boss leaderboards disappearing before. They must have an auto check on random or high risk players and these get banned if they fail the check. As someone mentioned, it seems like the only hacks possible recently are actually glitches which if one chooses to take advantage of will be infringing on the end user agreement meaning they can just ban your ass too and they obviously did. There are no actual real hacks unless you attack their servers. Those on youtube are photoshop and trojans for viruses. Only stupid people will fall for those.
Dianish
10-10-2013, 10:30 PM
In the thread "Short rant on guild wars" this has been posted.
How is Titanium Backup working for you on your phones Fellas?
Rooted Phones - Titanium Backup = Free profit.
No worries.. I don't mind giving it to gree if it slows you down and makes the game fair.
As i mentioned, there are people who uses the backup cheat for GW.
Gree, Fix it.
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