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xxinterfector
09-24-2013, 12:53 AM
Explain this s***
I can beat almost every rival in my list .. but well ... there is always someone with better stats.
Please give me one of those long descriptive answers (not sarcastic)

baucoin007
09-24-2013, 01:20 AM
I don't think it is an exact science but if you are beating most in your rival list I would say you are strong for your level. 4K of stats per level is a good ratio

Guvidu
09-24-2013, 01:22 AM
A while ago the rule of thumb was that stats x1000 higher than your level were ok. Like if one would be level 170, having 170k in stats would be a decent number. Now, with the stats inflation, who knows? 170k seems to be very very low now.

baucoin007
09-24-2013, 01:28 AM
Yeah those would be very bad stats

Tito89
09-24-2013, 02:40 AM
Lv 90 241k/257k

Good?

13 BRAVO
09-24-2013, 02:46 AM
I would say to be a good score you need to be 3000 x your level 4000 even better, but it is all relative to your level. There are several times my llp can score more points per hit than my hlp.

Dutchie
09-24-2013, 02:58 AM
Lv 90 241k/257kGood? No. I am Lv 89 826k/1.259m. I have seen players higher than that on my level. I have also seen players during the WD event who are Lv 25 with 400k stats. GREE's stat inflation seems to be exponential!

Tito89
09-24-2013, 03:07 AM
No. I am Lv 89 826k/1.259m. I have seen players higher than that on my level. I have also seen players during the WD event who are Lv 25 with 400k stats. GREE's stat inflation seems to be exponential!

Damn, twasnt long ago when my stats were pro, had the feeling i was getting behind anyway.

godfight
09-24-2013, 03:10 AM
me lvl 44 atk 102k def 120k

Dutchie
09-24-2013, 03:26 AM
Damn, twasnt long ago when my stats were pro, had the feeling i was getting behind anyway. I'm coming to get you Tito... Only 1 more level up ;P

Ivan the Dictator
09-24-2013, 06:58 AM
me lvl 44 atk 102k def 120k

level 31 94k attack 116 k defense! almost done with the faction ltq. will surpass you :p

Viva la Revolution
09-24-2013, 07:19 AM
No. I am Lv 89 826k/1.259m. I have seen players higher than that on my level. I have also seen players during the WD event who are Lv 25 with 400k stats. GREE's stat inflation seems to be exponential!
that are really good stats for your level.....have your faction finished the wd faction LTQ ?

xxinterfector
09-24-2013, 07:25 AM
Lv 90 241k/257k

Good?
Not good.
I am level 84
300k att
360k def.
Totally a free player never used gold.. ever

stephen2013
09-24-2013, 07:38 AM
Level 101-125 range
580k/800k
Free player, besides composite factory purchase.

Giedrybe
09-24-2013, 07:52 AM
You all need to take into consideration that level up in early stage and one level up in latter stage are not comparable. 4000x rule is old, very old, thus not valid anymore.

At some point I had a dream - listen to it. When I reach level 100 and will be able to use all 2000 in the battle, my dream was to have like 250-300k stats, coming from 2000 units with stats 100/100 + boost buildings. Those were times when rare unit in epic boss event had stats 100/100 (uncommon ~40-50, common 15/18), no faction bonuses and not many chances to get unit with a boost (generally only collect 10 event).

Well in last 5 days I got more increase than I was dreaming before as total army. My current level is 89 (same like my faction mate Dutchie) and at the moment I consider 1 level to bring me at least 40-80k stats increase as a minimum.

More reasonable it would be to calculate in xp, not in levels. Right now I can say ~60k increase per 5k XP gain is a good one, you will be strong then. The increase figure really depends on your bonuses - somebody will less bonuses than me should be happy with less increase as this is my boosted figure. Somebody with more bonuses should aim for higher increase, etc.

Anyway, being 900k/1200k at level 89 does not mean I am completely safe, there are a number of players who can beat me. My estimation is that you will see more and more low level powerhouses as there are a few LLP factions who are getting top units for streaks of 53 (54 in this event) in second event in a row. And will continue to do that like SUP1 will continue to do what they do. Those units are game changer for them (calculate all units you get on your way till final unit). Raw increase (without wd prizes) of faction ltq is 140k/125k + 25% air attack +10% sea defense. In India figures were a bit less + 30% air attack +25% air defense.

When all others were fighting for 5% of x increase and 3% of y increase etc. So these powerhouses will stand out from the crowd.

Thief
09-24-2013, 08:06 AM
You all need to take into consideration that level up in early stage and one level up in latter stage are not comparable. 4000x rule is old, very old, thus not valid anymore.

At some point I had a dream - listen to it. When I reach level 100 and will be able to use all 2000 in the battle, my dream was to have like 250-300k stats, coming from 2000 units with stats 100/100 + boost buildings. Those were times when rare unit in epic boss event had stats 100/100 (uncommon ~40-50, common 15/18), no faction bonuses and not many chances to get unit with a boost (generally only collect 10 event).

Well in last 5 days I got more increase than I was dreaming before as total army. My current level is 89 (same like my faction mate Dutchie) and at the moment I consider 1 level to bring me at least 40-80k stats increase as a minimum.

More reasonable it would be to calculate in xp, not in levels. Right now I can say ~60k increase per 5k XP gain is a good one, you will be strong then. The increase figure really depends on your bonuses - somebody will less bonuses than me should be happy with less increase as this is my boosted figure. Somebody with more bonuses should aim for higher increase, etc.

Anyway, being 900k/1200k at level 89 does not mean I am completely safe, there are a number of players who can beat me. My estimation is that you will see more and more low level powerhouses as there are a few LLP factions who are getting top units for streaks of 53 (54 in this event) in second event in a row. And will continue to do that like SUP1 will continue to do what they do. Those units are game changer for them (calculate all units you get on your way till final unit). Raw increase (without wd prizes) of faction ltq is 140k/125k + 25% air attack +10% sea defense. In India figures were a bit less + 30% air attack +25% air defense.

When all others were fighting for 5% of x increase and 3% of y increase etc. So these powerhouses will stand out from the crowd.

Excellent points. I remember dreaming of a day that i would bring 2000 Stealth Bombers into my army (to be fair i have 100 and all still make it into my army...but they are probably about to drop out unless they increase army size to 3000 in the next couple of weeks like they have talked about)

The key is the game is constantly changing. This WD event my stats hardly moved as i was away for a wedding so didn't have a high finish, or get the faction LTQ complete (normal or prestige for the bonus units) In fact much of what is happening i think gree is doing to help balance out the game. (much to my dismay....and probably to some of the top spenders...but overall great for the game)

I've always said if your going to gain XP try and make sure to get modifiers to your stats as they will always be apart of your army....your individual units not so much (although a 64k attack unit probably so)

a4194394
09-24-2013, 08:21 AM
the stats are inflating. any good stats currently on ur tier become junk 3 months later if remain that.

jonmischler
09-24-2013, 08:28 AM
Stats based on level are varied so much, it's impossible to tell.

I'm level 84. My stats are 258k/414k.
I have found players on this level with stats around 40k/70k all the way up to 1m/1.2m.

Factions also affect this change a lot since some people will be in them and some won't. Therefore players will have larger stat gaps.

The best way to look at it is this.
Attack five people on your rivals list. If you beat four out of those five, you're doing good,

warrends
09-24-2013, 09:25 AM
Factions changed the game entirely.

Now FLTQs have changed it again, but even moreso. You can have a faction of 40 or 50 or more with a few LLPs in there (great for PAs or just hitting walls). If you complete the FLTQ those LLPs just got an additional 100K stat bump in 1-2 days with maybe a couple of level increases (well worth it). My faction has an LLP or two. I'm amazed, and jealous, of their stats. But wait for a few months if you can handle it and they will outdo even your most powerful HLPs.

We are a top 150 faction (except for that France leaderboard issue). I was stunned at the stats that many of our opponents have. Levels well below 100 with stats close to or above 1M. It is just amazing. Very smart players along with great (and inflated) events. FLTQs are where it's at these days. And wars of course ...

As was said above:
- 1:1000 level to stat ratio used to be great pre-factions.
- Then 1:2000 or 1:3000 was fantastic.
- I'm now at 1:4000. And I am still vastly underpowered. Yes I am more powerful than most of my "peers", but I still see many who are at 1:6000 and the occasional 1:10,000. Jealously rears its ugly head ...

I started this game a year too early. But at least I just started CC, so I'm an LLP powerhouse there.

9mm
09-24-2013, 11:15 AM
And I know it was mentioned previously by another poster but it matters what you level is an you increase. A higher level player has more points to the next level and more energy for LTQ events or whatever.

Like my LLP has
1 Ally
Level 3
1,300 Atack
1,500 Defense
Can't remember my IPH but it's over 150k I think.

That's pretty high for that level but's a super low level.

My HLP is
115 Allies
Level 64
150k Attack
190k Defense
IPH is something like 1.5 mil

Not great but I rarely come across anyone stronger, and haven't had a loss on my news feed in months.
Plus being a 100% free player is a handicap.

Blade of 3
09-24-2013, 02:07 PM
I'm level 80 with 375k attack and I'd say I'm average for the "good" players at my level. Of course, there will always be the gold spenders and all that will be 600k+. I don't try as hard as I could at maximizing xp.

Urbz
09-24-2013, 02:15 PM
Llp lv 92-860/1.220....looking to get to that 1:10k

Big C
09-24-2013, 02:21 PM
My LLP was supposed to just be a money farm for my faction, with the recent FLTQ he went from level 5 to 21 without doing anything.

nkeywithdnb
09-24-2013, 03:15 PM
My personal equation for determining stats
________________________
1.Above this = Amazing Stats
2.Level x 5k = Real Good Stats
3.Level x 4k = Good Stats
4.Level x 3k = Need to get Better Stats
5.Bellow this = Point's Cow
Hope this helps

Agent Orange
09-24-2013, 03:27 PM
Explain this s***
I can beat almost every rival in my list .. but well ... there is always someone with better stats.
Please give me one of those long descriptive answers (not sarcastic)

Shill players? But realistically there is always going to be someone out there with better stats or with a better spread of skill points than yours.

King Dante!
09-24-2013, 03:43 PM
Stats are creeping up on 10,000 x Lvl. Hopefully by the time we get to Mexico.

Stooboot
09-24-2013, 03:51 PM
U can have like a mill + at level 50 nowadays $hits ridiculous

swag
09-24-2013, 04:02 PM
You guys should be looking at xp gain instead of levels.

A lvl 50 with 50k xp and 250k stats is a lot different from a lvl 100 with 200kxp and 500k stats.

andymac106
09-24-2013, 04:13 PM
i'm level 143 with 548k/751k. That's about average for my level. I can beat 60% of the people on my rivals list by randomly clicking attack

HExXxENBEAST@SUP1
09-24-2013, 04:33 PM
My LLP was supposed to just be a money farm for my faction, with the recent FLTQ he went from level 5 to 21 without doing anything.
same with my LLP. I was level 36 (210,000 stats), and magically went to level 41 without even participating. :-(

Xyranthios
09-24-2013, 06:14 PM
I screwed myself by leveling on purpose, thinking I was doing good. Now I'm level 145 with 650/720k stats. My llp is better, level 20, 65k/80k

Hooligany
09-25-2013, 12:02 AM
i'm level 143 with 548k/751k. That's about average for my level. I can beat 60% of the people on my rivals list by randomly clicking attack

U must be joking?

Tito89
09-25-2013, 12:45 AM
I feel for one of my faction members, was lv 5 now lv 17 after the faction ltq, he did nothing too. But he gained a lot of stats.

Michael1989
09-25-2013, 12:48 AM
Mmm i wonder who your talking about tito89 lol ;-).

MagnusDux
09-25-2013, 08:11 AM
Amazing all those bragging of their miserable stats - no matter how low a lvl [seen in lvl 30's with over 1M stats too] and / or high stats - there's always higher and better, with imploding stats Greed put us against a true rat race - some ppl even lost their heads racing, well - good luck, not much fun it that, but still going like junkies lol

xxinterfector
09-25-2013, 09:38 AM
Amazing all those bragging of their miserable stats - no matter how low a lvl [seen in lvl 30's with over 1M stats too] and / or high stats - there's always higher and better, with imploding stats Greed put us against a true rat race - some ppl even lost their heads racing, well - good luck, not much fun it that, but still going like junkies lol
Aaand now we have a know-it-all in the thread.
Brace yourselves people.

MagnusDux
09-25-2013, 09:57 AM
Aaand now we have a know-it-all in the thread.
Brace yourselves people.

Oh that's u! lol

Reminder, in case u forgot: GTFO !

:))))))))))))

xxinterfector
09-25-2013, 10:14 AM
Oh that's u! lol

Reminder, in case u forgot: GTFO !

:))))))))))))
Hahahaha .. you reminded me of the good ol' days.
Trust me bro .. I have moved on from that phase.
I am still recovering though .. so don't mind me that much :)

droffatsto50
09-25-2013, 12:23 PM
level 31 94k attack 116 k defense! almost done with the faction ltq. will surpass you :p
Coming for you :P Level 26 with 90k attack 110k defence, lets see who gets furthest in the new FLTQ :)

generalpain
09-25-2013, 12:28 PM
It has got so bad, many that were camping in the 40-60 range are better off just starting over.

MagnusDux
09-25-2013, 01:18 PM
Hahahaha .. you reminded me of the good ol' days.
Trust me bro .. I have moved on from that phase.
I am still recovering though .. so don't mind me that much :)

Yah, this game is flying at speed o light... Just few months/weeks seem like 'good ole dayz'... I predict next unit will be 7 figure unit where u blow 100 vaults and get some "Super Awesome Ridiculous Miky-Mause Kite (Air) 1285000/1813000"

And guess what?

There will be those running for it BECAUSE IT INCREASES STATS LIKE OH SHEEEEEEEEEEEEETTT!!!!

9mm
09-25-2013, 02:12 PM
Hahahaha this made me laugh pretty hard.

"onefinger

A player's strength has nothing to do with his/her level or stats. He/she is either a warrior or not.
You cannot defeat a true warrior in this game, in this life or the next one."



I'm thinking that based on the absurdity of this statement that it has to be an attempt at humor?

And just to clarify, I've been fighting in the ring for the last 10 years (amateur leagues I'm not professional). Win percentage is something like 84% so I'm pretty decent.

And spent some time eating my fair share of sand, so I am a warrior, physically, mentally and spiritually.

But when it comes to this game that has no standing.

But like I said if you were trying to be funny, my bad for taking it out of context.

Blade of 3
09-25-2013, 02:20 PM
My personal equation for determining stats
________________________
1.Above this = Amazing Stats
2.Level x 5k = Real Good Stats
3.Level x 4k = Good Stats
4.Level x 3k = Need to get Better Stats
5.Bellow this = Point's Cow
Hope this helps

I think this is pretty accurate up until maybe level 100. But in a month it will probably be for level 50. Stats are growing exponentially with Greed's stat inflation and with the unit cap increasing.

Superdude
09-25-2013, 03:42 PM
Level 139 around 1mil each started the game at level 84 17k... Wish I had started later

fkamb
09-25-2013, 03:44 PM
A player's strength has nothing to do with his/her level or stats. He/she is either a warrior or not.
You cannot defeat a true warrior in this game, in this life or the next one.

Haha, that's more like it

9mm
09-25-2013, 04:16 PM
"onefinger
Yes, out of context. Is anything "just a game?" There are people playing this "game" with
backgrounds that you would not believe."


I find it amusing that you seem to think you know multiple people's backgrounds. People must warm up to you really quickly if they were giving you their life story.

Or are you going to give the typical "Internet Comeback". Where you say you own a major investment firm with 20k employees and required them all to get MW accounts. So that's how you know their backgrounds.


As to your second remark about caliber, if you want to pm me I'll be happy to argue with you about it for weeks. But I'm not going to spam another man's thread.

Tito89
09-25-2013, 04:20 PM
Mmm i wonder who your talking about tito89 lol ;-).

;)

10characters

lemonhaze
09-25-2013, 04:34 PM
level 31 94k attack 116 k defense! almost done with the faction ltq. will surpass you :p we have a lvl 40 in our group that is 550.650 stats..and other with same lvl but 4.1m iph

PirateQuinn
09-25-2013, 04:37 PM
i am lvl 76 with 264/321 anyone think those are good

Bstreazy
09-25-2013, 05:44 PM
people with good stats spend less time talking about them and more time building them ;)

xxinterfector
09-25-2013, 07:27 PM
"onefinger
Yes, out of context. Is anything "just a game?" There are people playing this "game" with
backgrounds that you would not believe."


I find it amusing that you seem to think you know multiple people's backgrounds. People must warm up to you really quickly if they were giving you their life story.

Or are you going to give the typical "Internet Comeback". Where you say you own a major investment firm with 20k employees and required them all to get MW accounts. So that's how you know their backgrounds.


As to your second remark about caliber, if you want to pm me I'll be happy to argue with you about it for weeks. But I'm not going to spam another man's thread.
Yeah, don't you dare spam my thread pal, I am a warrior and an expert in Guerrilla warfare, you don't know my background, so you better back off from my thread.
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9mm
09-26-2013, 08:47 AM
"xxinterfector

Yeah, don't you dare spam my thread pal, I am a warrior and an expert in Guerrilla warfare, you don't know my background, so you better back off from my thread."


DOWN Rambo, DOWN Boy.

Well I am the general of 17 countries and president of three countries. So there, "spits out tongue".

And I noticed the other guys comments are gone, is that because he realized there stupidity. Or do mods delete them?

Urbz
09-26-2013, 02:36 PM
And my llp hit the 1x12k :)

Sgt. Fancypants
09-26-2013, 03:09 PM
10X level now is goodish

Allday
09-26-2013, 03:40 PM
I think X times a certain level is not a good way to look at it. The lvl has to also be considered, a lvl 50 and a lvl 250 player have a different criteria.

If you are lvl 50 player and have 10000x your level very few people can beat you. If you are lvl 250 and have 10000x your lvl lots of people can beat you.

ffp
09-26-2013, 04:29 PM
And my llp hit the 1x12k :)

Now that's just "Silly" ain't it?

M1keperry
09-26-2013, 08:53 PM
I'm level 100 and 312k attack and 350k defense am I strong for my level?

Dutchie
09-27-2013, 12:07 AM
I'm level 100 and 312k attack and 350k defense am I strong for my level? No, not with the recent and continuing stat inflation. Stats 3k or 4k x your level is now below average. Based on the defense stats, which is usually higher than attack, our weakest faction member is 5.6k x their level, so you would not make it into our faction. There are 18 members between 5.6k and 10k per level and 35 members with more than 10k per level with the highest at 16k per level and this is growing with each event. If you are not in a good faction that completes all the faction events, you will get left behind. The game is now really geared towards faction events with new ones coming out soon such as faction boss events.

megaants
09-27-2013, 05:02 AM
been a while

but i am lvl 71 with 600k attack 1 mil defense :)

tforbes820
09-27-2013, 05:18 AM
My llp s about to be level 8 with 60k stats. Is that good for his level?

rar
09-27-2013, 07:19 AM
No, my mini is level 92 with 540/680k



Lv 90 241k/257k

Good?

S&H Max
09-27-2013, 07:36 AM
I think X times a certain level is not a good way to look at it. The lvl has to also be considered, a lvl 50 and a lvl 250 player have a different criteria.

If you are lvl 50 player and have 10000x your level very few people can beat you. If you are lvl 250 and have 10000x your lvl lots of people can beat you.

at level 250 there is defintly monster, the worst part is they are super-active since they dont care about XP

so even with let say 3,5mil def at level 250, you are one of the strong, but the few SUPs and other top10 that are there attack non-stop so you will have a lot of red in your news anyway!

joshdavidson12345
09-30-2013, 01:13 AM
I'm now on level 38 with 300k/420k stats , just over 2,5 mil IPH. Only ever seen one slightly better on my list. But with these units everyone's getting its only a matter of time before those are kak stats again.

Tournai
09-30-2013, 01:18 AM
I'm now on level 38 with 300k/420k stats , just over 2,5 mil IPH. Only ever seen one slightly better on my list. But with these units everyone's getting its only a matter of time before those are kak stats again.

Kak stats again LOL south Africa!! thats Dutch isnt it?

Why dont you join Us? :P We will exept No one with lower stats then our lowest member!

Time has changed Modern War! I dont see the use of low stats/LLP players in a top faction anymore.

Only your stats will do!

joshdavidson12345
09-30-2013, 01:47 AM
Hahaha. Yeah it's Afrikaans here:) was wondering if some1 would pick that up. thanks for the offer but I have to decline. Been fortunate enough to be in a great faction since the beginning. Reppin' VFF C&T

Waddupv2
09-30-2013, 02:12 AM
I'm level 39
167k Attack
205k Defence

Ivan the Dictator
09-30-2013, 07:58 AM
Coming for you :P Level 26 with 90k attack 110k defence, lets see who gets furthest in the new FLTQ :)
Update: level 33 140k attack 166 defense.

Thief
09-30-2013, 08:03 AM
They are strong if they beat 100 Bosses without using gold :D

Hence almost all players must be too weak.

Ivan the Dictator
09-30-2013, 08:49 AM
They are strong if they beat 100 Bosses without using gold :D

Hence almost all players must be too weak.

Yeah, my llps got to boss 36 with one free hit. Then to boss 45 with one cash hit. They'll make it pretty far. I'd say at least lvl 85 boss with just cash and free hits

droffatsto50
09-30-2013, 08:58 AM
Update: level 33 140k attack 166 defense.
Sorry dude, level 28 150k attack, defence is about 170k. Two of those faction goals completed though for the boss event :)

Ivan the Dictator
09-30-2013, 09:07 AM
Sorry dude, level 28 150k attack, defence is about 170k. Two of those faction goals completed though for the boss event :)
Nice! However, you haven't seen the last of me...... I'll get an iPhone really soon. Means modern war everywhere I go! Muhahahah

droffatsto50
09-30-2013, 09:31 AM
Nice! However, you haven't seen the last of me...... I'll get an iPhone really soon. Means modern war everywhere I go! Muhahahah
Good luck, I'll be 250k before you know it!

Vegaman
09-30-2013, 10:07 AM
My personal equation for determining stats
________________________
1.Above this = Amazing Stats
2.Level x 5k = Real Good Stats
3.Level x 4k = Good Stats
4.Level x 3k = Need to get Better Stats
5.Bellow this = Point's Cow
Hope this helps

Thanks my lvl 60 LLP Account has 640k/780k stats. The way the stat inflation is going with many HLP's bringing secondary LLP accounts into top teams to beef them up quickly, (which is what i and others have done), means your table which is very helpful will need the multiplication numbers trebled in 2-3 weeks time to be accurate. One of our team has brought in a lvl 12, now lvl 28 with xp gain, and its pushing 400k stats with all our faction bonuses... Took me til level 190 first time around in the good ol days to get stats like that lol.