Eunuchorn vs. King Mark- Who is Trolling?

[iH8t2lose2]

Vote for who you think is trolling. Idea given to me by Busteroaf.

[Tachycardia]

Wheres the harm in the rustling of a few jimmies?

[Starve]

2 trolls, 1 cup?

[ZERO_07]

2 trolls, 1 cup?
This. /Thread

Busteroaf really isn't far off the troll radar either.

[Sarn]

They are both as bad as each other, having said that at least eun occasionally makes helpful posts, where as I haven't really seen any useful ones from king.

If they want to fight it on the forums that's their problem, I just wish that so many threads wernt polluted with childish tantrums. Perhaps this thread could be used as their battle ground and maybe they will stop posting useless crap in other threads. Wishful thinking I know.

[Thatzme]

By definition of trolling in forums - Mark doesn't even come close.

[Sarn]

Depends on which definition of trolling you are using. Taking the main Wikipedia definition:


In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,[1] by posting inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally[3][4] or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[5] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[6]


Mark is guilty of the above. For an example take a look at his first post in "on the first day gree said" thread: http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?68717-On-The-1st-day-Gree-said-quot-Let-There-Be-Level-ups!-quot-amp-On-Day-7-He-Laughed-amp-Ate-Gems/page4

The vast majority of that post was completely off topic and dedicated to attacking Eun, which to me fits the above definition of trolling.

[busteroaf]

Depends on which definition of trolling you are using. Taking the main Wikipedia definition:


In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,[1] by posting inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally[3][4] or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[5] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[6]


Mark is guilty of the above. For an example take a look at his first post in "on the first day gree said" thread: http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?68717-On-The-1st-day-Gree-said-quot-Let-There-Be-Level-ups!-quot-amp-On-Day-7-He-Laughed-amp-Ate-Gems/page4

The vast majority of that post was completely off topic and dedicated to attacking Eun, which to me fits the above definition of trolling.

Well played sir. I like you already.

[Thatzme]

My fav one from urban dictionary:

The art of deliberately, cleverly, and secretly pissing people off, usually via the internet, using dialogue. Trolling does not mean just making rude remarks: Shouting swear words at someone doesn't count as trolling; it's just flaming, and isn't funny. Spam isn't trolling either; it pisses people off, but it's lame.

The most essential part of trolling is convincing your victim that either a) truly believe in what you are saying, no matter how outrageous, or b) give your victim malicious instructions, under the guise of help.
Trolling requires decieving; any trolling that doesn't involve decieving someone isn't trolling at all; it's just stupid. As such, your victim must not know that you are trolling; if he does, you are an unsuccesful troll.

Signs that your trolling is succesful:
*Your victim screaming in all-caps at you.
*Personal attacks (Calling you a retard, idiot, etc).
*Being an Internet Tough Guy.
*Making a crude remark, before quickly logging off before you can retort.

Signs that your trolling is unsuccesful:
*Your victim identifying you as a troll.
*Identifying yourself as a troll.
*Your efforts being ignored.
*Being counter-trolled (See below)

We can obviously tell who is the troll and who is the one being trolled here.

[BileJAR]

Just Eunuchorn.

It's funny when he gets mad, he uses the biggest words in the dictionary. It's like someone blushing when they're embarrassed. MARK FTW. ;D

[King Mark]

Lol! I thought this kiss ass Busteroaf said people didn't care anymore, but he even asked someone to make a poll for me and their Queen Bee Eunutroll? ^^ How flattering! These worker bees keep on convincing themselves they are always right and everyone else wrong. Anyway, I'm still waiting for the other worker bees/kiss ass to swarm me. *yawns* These guys are getting boring.

[busteroaf]

Lol! I thought this kiss ass Busteroaf said people didn't care anymore, but he even asked someone to make a poll for me and their Queen Bee Eunutroll? ^^ How flattering! These worker bees keep on convincing themselves they are always right and everyone else wrong. Anyway, I'm still waiting for the other worker bees/kiss ass to swarm me. *yawns* These guys are getting boring.

Actually, the idea for creating the thread/poll was directed at you. iH8t2lose2 just took the idea and did it. Learn to read.

[Eunuchorn]

I think the following screenshots from our respective "view all posts" speak for themselves.

http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s657/TehEunuchorn/null_zps437876cd.jpg

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http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s657/TehEunuchorn/null_zps0d61b634.jpg



http://www.funzio.com/forum/search.php?searchid=2395636&pp=&page=13
This seemed to be where I came back from a forum hiatus. I've never denied that I am at times antagonistic & belittling, but what digital media of self expression doesn't eventually lead to that, via the exchange of opposing viewpoints.

http://www.funzio.com/forum/search.php?searchid=2395795&pp=&page=2
This appears to be right before KM developed his current...focus.

[King Mark]

True, I've been in hiatus myself posting in the forums for nearly a month. Unlike this troll, I do have a life outside K&D, but checks it from time to time. I stopped attacking this Eunutroll & some of those kiss ass RR until this sicko sabotaged a community of K&D players. Tell me, why should anyone take this guy seriously when he's/it's:

1) Egomaniac who keeps on insulting other forumers who don't agree with his "supposed superior" ideas.

2) Has got some big real life issues:
A. depression B. sleep deprived C. Tripolar (made this up as bipolar doesn't do him any justice with his attitude here)
D. Suicidal E. Pretending to have "tons of $$$"

3) You name it

Ok, just basing logic to some of those listed above, it's obvious this guy doesn't think & live a normal life. So who's on the right mind to take this Queen Bee seriously again? Yup, you guys guessed it right! The kiss ass worker bees ^^

[Thatzme]

True, I've been in hiatus myself posting in the forums for nearly a month. Unlike this troll, I do have a life outside K&D, but checks it from time to time. I stopped attacking this Eunutroll & some of those kiss ass RR until this sicko sabotaged a community of K&D players. Tell me, why should anyone take this guy seriously when he's/it's:

1) Egomaniac who keeps on insulting other forumers who don't agree with his "supposed superior" ideas.

2) Has got some big real life issues:
A. depression B. sleep deprived C. Tripolar (made this up as bipolar doesn't do him any justice with his attitude here)
D. Suicidal E. Pretending to have "tons of $$$"

3) You name it

Ok, just basing logic to some of those listed above, it's obvious this guy doesn't think & live a normal life. So who's on the right mind to take this Queen Bee seriously again? Yup, you guys guessed it right! The kiss ass worker bees ^^

You do know by making this post or whatever posts u have made, you are taking it seriously right? Omg u r being trolled so hard and the best thing is you don't even know u r. Keep going mr Mark.

[King Mark]

You do know by making this post or whatever posts u have made, you are taking it seriously right? Omg u r being trolled so hard and the best thing is you don't even know u r. Keep going mr Mark.

Keep trying & kissing your Queen bee's ass Thatzme, lol! Simply posting that to inform those other forumers not aware of the state of mind and life your dear master has. Now, keep wiping & serving your master ^^ You keep on replying to my posts, u haven't realized you've been my prey I've made to come out? Dang, thought you were "supposedly an expert"? LMAO!!!!

[Thatzme]

Let the rest be the judge of that - your feeble attempts at salvaging ur pride by trying to "troll" has come too late. You've been the subject of our jokes and ridicule whether you want to believe or not.

[King Mark]

Let the rest be the judge of that - your feeble attempts at salvaging ur pride by trying to "troll" has come too late. You've been the subject of our jokes and ridicule whether you want to believe or not.

When you say "we", u mean your fellow kiss ass worker bees? Ok, that makes sense. Again, keep trying coz we're the ones laughing at your dear Queen bee and the likes of you ^^

I would have to commend Eunutroll for trying so hard to evade me. Coz he knows I know how suck he played other Gree games, while people like u fall so hard believing everything he tells you. Now don't be shy admitting you're a mere tool of this lunatic kind of insane being. Speaks volume eh? ^^

[Sarn]

Some casual observations from a third party observer:

Eun:
- You seem to have far too much time on your hands
- you do tend to be antagonistic and self absorbed, but do sometimes make useful and informative posts and suggestions
- hacking someone else's community is lame in the extreme
- you seem to be well educated and intelligent so why you are wasting time being a **** on forums is beyond me, but am guessing it relates to point 1 above

King
- based on your posting style and content I am guessing you are a child or a poorly educated and emotionally immature adult
- attacking someone for suffering from mental health issues is not only lame and pathetic but can also be incredibly harmful (note: I don't know if Eun actually has mental health issues or not, nor is it any of my business). You should really be ashamed of yourself. people like you can create significant adverse effects on the emotional wellbeing of sufferers which can sometimes lead to dire consequences. Posts like yours should never be allowed on forums or anywhere else.
- if you have a problem with your line community being hacked complain the the people who run line messenger, it has nothing to do with gree or this forum.

For both of you:
Internet communities always amuse me because people tend to post things and behave in a manner that they wouldn't do face to face. As far as I am concerned, 'keyboard warriors' are cowards. If its something that you are not willing to say to someone's face in real life then don't post it on the net - it just makes you look lame.

K and D is game that requires absolutely no skill or talent to be successful in. How anyone can become so emotionally attached to such a game is beyond me, but I guess some people are. Taking a step back and analyzing your priorities in life might be beneficial.

[Dexavus]

+1 Sam, well said mate.

[Eunuchorn]

Some casual observations from a third party observer:
Eun:
- You seem to have far too much time on your hands
- you do tend to be antagonistic and self absorbed, but do sometimes make useful and informative posts and suggestions
- hacking someone else's community is lame in the extreme
- you seem to be well educated and intelligent so why you are wasting time being a **** on forums is beyond me, but am guessing it relates to point 1 abovel.

- yes :( ):
- can you blame me? You have no idea what it's like being right all the time & no one realizing it. Enlightenment's a b*tch & ignorance is bliss. Most people just don't understand my very dry sarcasm. It can come off as...judgmental.
- If you'd been there, you probably would have done the same.
- Ya, point 1 + a very cynical & nihilistic apathy are a very, very bad combination lol

I started Kandy as a means of breaking my D3 addiction.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Eunuchorn-1155/
One door for another, as they say. The forum community is so much smaller here, it's not difficult to become "known".
I turned Line into a war game where you occupy & then take over enemy castle/bases. It was rather exciting. It was also purely done as a reaction to KM.
http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s657/TehEunuchorn/null_zpscbc3315b.jpg

"View forum posts" is a brilliant tool, I suggest going to the first page of both mine & marks before you form any kind of opinion.
^ directed at no one in particular.

[King Mark]

King
- based on your posting style and content I am guessing you are a child or a poorly educated and emotionally immature adult
- attacking someone for suffering from mental health issues is not only lame and pathetic but can also be incredibly harmful (note: I don't know if Eun actually has mental health issues or not, nor is it any of my business). You should really be ashamed of yourself. people like you can create significant adverse effects on the emotional wellbeing of sufferers which can sometimes lead to dire consequences. Posts like yours should never be allowed on forums or anywhere else.
- if you have a problem with your line community being hacked complain the the people who run line messenger, it has nothing to do with gree or this forum.

Thank you for your casual observation. Since it's your opinion, I'd still respect that. However, as for showing any pity for Eunutroll for acting like an ******* in K&D forum, I'd say it as it is.

FYI: He's the one who's posting all these suicidal, depression & mental dramas if you just look closer. IMHO, he doesn't deserve any empathy from me for choosing to be the person he is. What he need I say again, is "medical & professional help" and be away from normal people in K&D. This is the least place he should be to deal with his serious real life problem.

Ask your Psychologists and doctors about it, they'd say the same thing. He should seek help from them, before he even attempts "helping other people/players" in this community. Coz with all honesty, he needs to help himself & let doctors help him before he could even help others. Truth hurts? Sorry, I don't need to sugarcoat anything to appear intelligent to you ^^

[Sarn]

Thank you for your casual observation. Since it's your opinion, I'd still respect that. However, as for showing any pity for Eunutroll for acting like an ******* in K&D forum, I'd say it as it is.

No need to show pity, but there's also no need to stalk him on the forums and create a flame war at every opportunity that you can. Nor s there any need to keep bringing up personal issues.


FYI: He's the one who's posting all these suicidal, depression & mental dramas if you just look closer. IMHO, he doesn't deserve any empathy from me for choosing to be the person he is.

People don't 'choose' to have mental health problems.


What he need I say again, is "medical & professional help"

For all we know he is, he did say he was professionally diagnosed..


and be away from normal people in K&D. This is the least place he should be to deal with his serious real life problem.

Ahh yes, the old let's lock them away and throw away the key methodology that was abandoned decades ago in most civilized societies...



Ask your Psychologists and doctors about it, they'd say the same thing.

My father in law is a psychologist, and no he wouldn't.



He should seek help from them, before he even attempts "helping other people/players" in this community. Coz with all honesty, he needs to help himself & let doctors help him before he could even help others.

I don't see how having a mental illness would prevent you from be able to play a game like k&d or from participating within the community. For all we know doing so might actually be of benefit. As to helping others, I appreciate anyone who goes to the effort of taking the time to assist others.


Truth hurts? Sorry, I don't need to sugarcoat anything to appear intelligent to you ^^

No need to sugarcoat, but belittling someone for their personal problems is outright wrong. It doesn't matter that he has posted about his issues, that doesn't give anyone the right to continually and relentlessly attack him for it. By all means debate the content of his posts, argue with him in that context, leave the personal crap out of it. Oh and would be nice if you contained your angst to one thread instead of dozens.

[King Mark]

@Sarn

Again, your opinion. I deal with people I see fit. Him getting treated instead of spending so much time in the forums because he'd meet dozens of people with different personalities which might aggravate his mental problem is the best & right thing to do.

One "supposed psychiatrist" doesn't have the total consensus of the medical practitioners in the US or around the world, so I'd take that as another "supposed" opinion. No one said lock him away, but to get help within this online community for his sickness? You must be kidding right? Why is it related to K&D forums? Because his mental state determines the way he interacts with people, and how people can respond to all his aggressions. Being mentally ill and all is not an excuse to me a moron here.

Thanks for trying to preach on me, but you're barking on the wrong tree buddy ^^ Dozens of threads I make about him? Mind doing a little more research coz you're misinformed by the other camp & it's getting obvious you're not a mere "casual observer". Still taking some points I find valid anyway, for whatever their worth.

[Sarn]

Awesome mark, now that is a good reply. Sensible, raises valid points and addresses my post content rather than attacking me. :)

Regarding your points about whether or not he should be on the forums, well I'll leave that for the moderators to decide. I won't comment more on his personal life because I don't feel it is appropriate, and nor do I have the knowledge of his circumstances or expertise to be able to make a valid argument in any case.

One thing I do want to correct you on is that I didn't assert that you made dozens of threads, but rather that you have been participating in derogatory flame wars with him over a multitude of threads (although i admit that the use of the term 'dozens' was an exaggeration on my part . :)

Cheers

[King Mark]

@Sarn

And you're welcome =)

[Eunuchorn]

I think the following screenshots from our respective "view all posts" speak for themselves.

http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s657/TehEunuchorn/null_zps437876cd.jpg

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http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s657/TehEunuchorn/null_zps0d61b634.jpg



http://www.funzio.com/forum/search.php?searchid=2395636&pp=&page=13
This seemed to be where I came back from a forum hiatus. I've never denied that I am at times antagonistic & belittling, but what digital media of self expression doesn't eventually lead to that, via the exchange of opposing viewpoints.

http://www.funzio.com/forum/search.php?searchid=2395795&pp=&page=2
This appears to be right before KM developed his current...focus.


It appears this was lost in the shuffle. If you click on "view forum posts" under my name, I'm pretty sure you will see at most 2 references to King Mark. One in which I was agreeing w/him about something. I'm not sure I appreciate the fact I'm actually being considered a part of his ranting in 12 threads. <<< directed at no one in particular

[Sarn]

It appears this was lost in the shuffle. If you click on "view forum posts" under my name, I'm pretty sure you will see at most 2 references to King Mark. One in which I was agreeing w/him about something. I'm not sure I appreciate the fact I'm actually being considered a part of his ranting in 12 threads.

You're right which is why my replies were directed at him rather than yourself. My use of the term flame war was probably incorrect as it implies a two way battle.

[Bumpain]

This whole thread is a troll

[McRay]

Anyone who dedicates even one minute of their time to troll someone is undoubtedly a massive loser in real life.

A troll is the internet version of a schoolyard bully. It's immature, and utterly pathetic.

In response to this little poll, the answer is obvious. Eunuchorn is the troll, King Mark is just a simpleton, which is why he consistently falls for it.

[C04dy]

Naw I wouldn't call anyone a loser for being a troll... It's fun to be hated :)

[McRay]

Yeah except it's ALWAYS the person being trolled who ends up being hated, not the other way around.

I've been posting on gaming forums since 1996, and this scenario always plays out the same way. The troll starts off just being a jerk to everyone. Eventually, some poor sap like King Mark starts responding furiously to everything the troll says, and before long, the entire forum forgets that the troll is a jerk, and instead, everyone gangs up on the imbecile who just won't stop trying to get the last word.

The next step is that other people try to emulate the popularity of the original troll, and then before you know it, the entire forum is completely infested with trolls and every single thread is just a giant trollfest.

This is bullying, plain and simple... and it should be deemed unacceptable, but unfortunately we live in a world where people take pleasure in other people's misery; so trolls are here to stay.

[GCSpyder]

Well said, McRay..

[II King Mark II]

Yeah except it's ALWAYS the person being trolled who ends up being hated, not the other way around.

I've been posting on gaming forums since 1996, and this scenario always plays out the same way. The troll starts off just being a jerk to everyone. Eventually, some poor sap like King Mark starts responding furiously to everything the troll says, and before long, the entire forum forgets that the troll is a jerk, and instead, everyone gangs up on the imbecile who just won't stop trying to get the last word.

Sad that you've been in gaming forums since 1996, yet u failed so badly analyzing the situation here.

1) King Mark being hated by "everyone"? Where do u find that?

2) Everyone ganging up on KM? Again, where do u even pull this laughable idea?

3) Since the poll clearly indicates Eunutroll is the forum troll, where as he even voted for KM as the troll, mind guiding us where he even attempted to confront KM? All he's been doing had been dodging.

The twisting, turning and dancing in KM's music gets quite amusing.

[Wolfgangs246]

Sad that you've been in gaming forums since 1996, yet u failed so badly analyzing the situation here.

1) King Mark being hated by "everyone"? Where do u find that?

2) Everyone ganging up on KM? Again, where do u even pull this laughable idea?

3) Since the poll clearly indicates Eunutroll is the forum troll, where as he even voted for KM as the troll, mind guiding us where he even attempted to confront KM? All he's been doing had been dodging.

The twisting, turning and dancing in KM's music gets quite amusing.

Before anyone else responds to this. I would like to call for cooler heads to prevail.
Also, please don't feed the trolls.

[ilvtfu]

http://i.imgur.com/5yeAeLA.jpg?1

[Eunuchorn]

It's the end of an era :(

Not gonna lie, I love the poll results. Are there really only 46 of ~80,000 on boss leaderboard reading this forum.

The new "News" button should have a link here!

[Hakurou]

Did anyone else notice that King Mark is now posting from a second account because his original ACC got banned?
I remember him demanding that Eunuchorn should shut up because his primary ACC got banned and this indicates that even Gree doesnt want him around anymore.
Good that at least the self-declared King keeps to the high standards he demanded from others. This hardens my suspicion that King Mark and Eunuchorn are the same Person :D

@Eunuchorn...the poll just indicates that only 46 people seemed it worth to participate...sry to smash your dreams about getting e-famous.

[Eunuchorn]

If you frequent the forums & didn't vote in this poll then you have no sense of humor, which leads me to believe there's only about 50 of us even using this forum at all :(

As to me & KM being the same person, well I don't have that much time on my hands, & having 4 forum accounts isn't a priority of mine. I have 8 phone games to keep up with.