Something to think about

[fofito30]

Hi Gree and everyone interested in reading something rather curious.

My faction was battling another faction that is shall we say "streaking" and we got them beat, down and out by over 150k points with close to 5 minutes left on the war clock and our rivals seemed to have stopped and accepted defeat. We kept scoring some points and then, out of the sudden and with less than 1 minute left on the clock we hit refresh and to everyone surprise the score had turned around and our rivals, who shall remain nameless unless Gree launches an investigation, were 150k atop us.

how in the world do you score 250k points, keep in mind we were 150k above them and they ended up 150 over us, in less than 5 minutes when no one in our team shows the amount of loses required to prove that climb in sudden points?

please help me understand or have we found a team that is using other tactics to keep streaks alive, perhaps some kind of glitch?

[JCL]

Sounds like TNSTNP that we played last night. They have a level 15 player with 132000 defense. That means 60 units had a defense of 132k, or 2,000 per unit. Our faction has an average of 300k attack. We get paired with their team which had a 715k defense avg (we hit 17 or their 22 members, so this average misses about 1/4th of their team).

[JCL]

Deleted as I said.

Point was made and we'll be ready for them next time.

[Paisthecoolest]

The best we have done is 80k-100k in the last five minutes. We are a top-150 faction. If the faction has you well scouted, has a lot of people on, and is willing to drop some gold, then they could easily do 250k points.

The fact that no one had the number of losses required for those point scores would concern me. I hope this is not a new hack. We don't need another hack in gree!

[JCL]

That's what they did with us. Since they were mostly camper accounts most of our team gave them horrible points. However, we have one player just over level 200, and 820k defense. They hit her 18 times in the last 60 seconds to go from way below to nearly doubling their score (15k to around 32k)


The best we have done is 80k-100k in the last five minutes. We are a top-150 faction. If the faction has you well scouted, has a lot of people on, and is willing to drop some gold, then they could easily do 250k points.

The fact that no one had the number of losses required for those point scores would concern me. I hope this is not a new hack. We don't need another hack in gree!

[CJ D]

Just to help anyone, here's their roster in order, but per rules I've left names off. It's the same order so just match up with rival list if you get paired against TNSTNP. I hate teams like this so I'll leave this up now and then delete after France war is over....

TNSTNP lvl defense lvl/def
Def Ldr 200 1000000 5000.0
** 216 910387 4214.8
* 158 640805 4055.7
** 179 1047238 5850.5
** 183 603862 3299.8
** 86 213488 2482.4
** 212 800875 3777.7
** 213 799176 3752.0
** 144 875812 6082.0
** 189 1134000 6000.0
** 15 132000 8800.0
**
** 178 766953 4308.7
**
** 157 779646 4965.9
** 147 976000 6639.5
**
**
**
** 154 678436 4405.4
** 38 83000 2184.2

I see nothing whatsoever unusual about those stats for those levels. And really, upset about 20k points in the last 60 seconds? Lol.

[fofito30]

Rest assured the faction is not a Top 10 faction, maybe a Top 25. Our intel and officers crew keep track of our win/losses colum every war so we know who was hit hardest. Also this ana less faction is filled with high stats players that won't gain much points from our weakest players, hence there is no logical explanation as to how they managed to score big in the last 5 minutes. I been in top 10 teams for way long time and know that teams would score an average of 300 points per hit.
That said, let's assume that all 60 members of this faction were online at the same time hitting the weak targets giving an average of 275 points at a ratio of one hit per second each, that gives us 3,600 hits per minute with the gold regen spent every 4 seconds, that would decrease hit ration by say 3,000 hits per minute. Of those 3,000 hits per minute giving an average 275 points they would have scored 825,000 in a minute. WILD WILD NUMBERS and like I said! to me is still unexplainable.
Let's not start to think about health regen "glitches" as the use of gold by this guys was really really heavy. With 5 minutes left the score was 257k my faction and theirs was 160k, and at the end was 350k them and we stil at 275k. Again UNEXPLAINABLE to me and hope somebody with far more game knowledge explains this to me.

[justsomedood5]

Rest assured the faction is not a Top 10 faction, maybe a Top 25. Our intel and officers crew keep track of our win/losses colum every war so we know who was hit hardest. Also this ana less faction is filled with high stats players that won't gain much points from our weakest players, hence there is no logical explanation as to how they managed to score big in the last 5 minutes. I been in top 10 teams for way long time and know that teams would score an average of 300 points per hit.
That said, let's assume that all 60 members of this faction were online at the same time hitting the weak targets giving an average of 275 points at a ratio of one hit per second each, that gives us 3,600 hits per minute with the gold regen spent every 4 seconds, that would decrease hit ration by say 3,000 hits per minute. Of those 3,000 hits per minute giving an average 275 points they would have scored 825,000 in a minute. WILD WILD NUMBERS and like I said! to me is still unexplainable.
Let's not start to think about health regen "glitches" as the use of gold by this guys was really really heavy. With 5 minutes left the score was 257k my faction and theirs was 160k, and at the end was 350k them and we stil at 275k. Again UNEXPLAINABLE to me and hope somebody with far more game knowledge explains this to me.

Just to say it - it's not hard to score 190k in 5 minutes w a coordinated effort. Have seen top teams put up over 500k points in that time frame.

[HExXxENBEAST@SUP1]

It is possible to do that. Someone probably employed the speed-tapping method.
I did that very thing last night on a close call.

[baucoin007]

So they picked your pocket, so what. How about stop whining and realize you got out played. And how about some showmanship and delete the posts with their stats. Come on grow up

[fofito30]

So they picked your pocket, so what. How about stop whining and realize you got out played. And how about some showmanship and delete the posts with their stats. Come on grow up
Outplayed? Hardly. Show their stats, probably you reading the wrong thread. Showmanship? Always, just trying to understand

[baucoin007]

The stats of the faction members who beat you are posted here. Allowing for other factions an advantage against them. Be fair and delete. And with gold you can get a lot of points in very little time

[fofito30]

The stats of the faction members who beat you are posted here. Allowing for other factions an advantage against them. Be fair and delete. And with gold you can get a lot of points in very little time
Dude, those stats were not posted by me and they don't show faction nor names. Hardly a team can make 250k in less than 5 minutes.

[baucoin007]

It was a plea to the person who did. And the faction name is there as well. But as the creator you could be admirable and delete the whole thread

[baucoin007]

And I have seen 30K in points go up in 30 seconds with a lot less gold members than these top teams have so it's very possible to do. And you can't see the factions wins and loses of the individual members so who is to say they are not doing it

[Perilous]

We scored 80k in less than a minute without trying. With that if 40 people are online and each take 28 hits in the last minute that is 1,120 hits. If they average only 250 per hit that is 280k...definitely possible.

[tvvicee]

Then there should be additional 1120 loses to their members as there are apparently not as the ts stated. So all these calculation scenarios what and whatnot is bs anyway.. And I really hope there isn't another theoretical analysis export popping up explaining the situation because they actually All hit the command center to leave no traces... hahaha...

And just out of curiosity, on what device with what kind of connection you can realize 1 executed hit per second for one minute straight in " WD rushour" not mentioning an average human reaction time of 0.15 - 0.30 seconds to rehit if these theorerical based calculations are rolled out already..

[IrishMavrick]

It is possible to do that. Someone probably employed the speed-tapping method.
I did that very thing last night on a close call.

Is this speed tapping the same method that caused your account to be frozen by gree TWICE? Not surprised to see you defend a possible hacktion....

[JCL]

I see nothing whatsoever unusual about those stats for those levels. And really, upset about 20k points in the last 60 seconds? Lol. A level 15 player with 132k is normal? Well, I'll just use empirical data to dispute your statement. Axis of Evil avg lvl/atk ratio 1800. Military One 2500. Balls so big 2000. Porch Assassins 1600. Ghost... 2100. Balls 2800. etc etc. Of the factions I tracked stats (18+) 95% were under 2500. Next closest, 3800, which is 20% under TNS' 4780 avg. In statistics this would be an anomaly you would throw out due to bad sampling, error, etc.

So I'll break this down Scooby Doo simple: 15 of 17 teams we played were HALF these stats. 1/2 isn't "normal."

[CJ D]

Please reread what I said. I didn't say normal. I said it's not unusual. To say something happens, but is not in the norm still doesn't make it impossible. You're talking about a faction that obviously is shooting for the faction ltq in WD events. Do you know the stat gains for those units that are aquired? With good bonuses they are well above the 132k stats you posted. Guys will start a new player for WD events where they are going for the ltq, and use that lvl one player for walls and pas. Those new players will easily have those stats at that level after getting several of the prizes in the WD event. Simply because your main player, and my main player were started at times before the recent statflation, and at lvl 15 we were at 500 att/def doesn't mean that someone using their head can't get these stats easily in today's game. My llp, if not for the glitch the other day with the fltq which gave toooonnnnsssss of xp, would be at lvl 35 and if fully allied up, would be approaching 350k stats. As he stands now, at lvl 42 and 60 allies is at 200k. And we haven't even tried for the fltq units during WD, so he is behind where he should be!

[Kimm]

We have fought them to and we won because we were using a strategy that's looks a little like theirs. They were much stronger than us and we could only find one or 2 targets we were able to hit. But with the low levels didn't give a lot of points. We were online with enough players and most of us used gold. It maybe wasn't 240k we needed to overcome But I think we just got them by suprise. So yes it's possible. Don't go accusing factions of possible hacks and stuff if you don't know for sure it's impossible