Guild war rewards

[KOA]

I can't seem to follow the logic of offering gems as part of the top guild war rewards. In order to get a top reward, members use 1000s of gems. Getting less than 100 back as a reward seems fairly illogical. I believe more fusion stones or fusion boosts are in order as an alternative to gems. These items are far more useful for those that compete for top tier positions on the leaderboard

[EljayK]

Perhaps this is true for the top 10, but in the rest of the ribbons below that, there are a large number of guilds who have members that don't use gems at all.

Our guild (KoF), placed 14th this time around. I was the one who compiled the spreadsheet of who contributed in terms of points and etc. I can tell you from going through that information in detail, only 10% of our guild spent more gems than they were rewarded. (40).

[Sol Invictus]

I've kind of thought about this as well.

You have these super strong players, and you reward them with UltaMega BadassDestroyer Armor +++ while everyone else gets some weak stuff. It doesn't facilitate competition at all.

I don't know how you'd fix that. I guess, the way this game is set up, you really can't.



But yea...you can open a chest for 10 gems and get 3 gems as a reward...

[ZERO_07]

Agreed The gem prize was so small and insignificant at that point, They should have given like 100-120 gems, Fusion Stones, or more Limited Edition Keys than such a measly amount of gems.

[Zyntree]

I think making the top 25 guilds get something better than what they did might have facilitated a harder push for those spots. Maybe GREE will realize the top guilds don't really need the gems they hand out either... but then people at the top would complain they didn't get gems... sometimes I wonder how we expect gree to make us all happy

[Mr Spock]

I was really disappointed that the fusion boost armor reward had been removed for killing the guardian I spent the majority of my energies taking out the guardian so everyone else could battle. By doing so I usually got left out of the fighting mix as I would burn all my energy. I wrote Gree who explained that the reward had been removed to better balance the game. It seemed that that unbalanced it ..... I would like to see Gree reinstate that....

[The Pale Rider]

I think making the top 25 guilds get something better than what they did might have facilitated a harder push for those spots. Maybe GREE will realize the top guilds don't really need the gems they hand out either... but then people at the top would complain they didn't get gems... sometimes I wonder how we expect gree to make us all happy

I don't recall any complaints with the rewards in the first GW. My guild was salivating to move up a ribbon - E to D, D to C and C to B were all very attractive step-ups (that's how we moved -- if A or higher had been a possibility we would've pushed hard for it too).

D to C was a step down in this guild war. C to B was basically no difference (1 fusion boost and 10 gems). That's the main issue.

A second issue is the fact that the rewards themselves were greatly reduced from the first GW for all but the very top positions. We got a combustion and 2 sky guardian+ for finishing 59th in the first GW and 1 Guardian Battlegear for finishing 56th this time. In other words we got 3 armors with better stats than the 1 armor we received this time.

I like the GWs and I'd play it for no reward, but I like internally consistent logic as well and can't help but point out a fail when I see it.

[Hakurou]

I don't recall any complaints with the rewards in the first GW. My guild was salivating to move up a ribbon - E to D, D to C and C to B were all very attractive step-ups (that's how we moved -- if A or higher had been a possibility we would've pushed hard for it too).

D to C was a step down in this guild war. C to B was basically no difference (1 fusion boost and 10 gems). That's the main issue.

A second issue is the fact that the rewards themselves were greatly reduced from the first GW for all but the very top positions. We got a combustion and 2 sky guardian+ for finishing 59th in the first GW and 1 Guardian Battlegear for finishing 56th this time. In other words we got 3 armors with better stats than the 1 armor we received this time.

I like the GWs and I'd play it for no reward, but I like internally consistent logic as well and can't help but point out a fail when I see it.

Check the threads...during and after the first guild war a lot of people complained that too many armors were handed out and wanted them reduced...so Gree did just that.
But regarding Ribbons C and D you are correct...i always wonder if they just let someone pick the armor who is like...oh it only has 3 stars, even if it is a + the 4 star must be better...

[Sol Invictus]

The Fusion Boost Armor rewards were great. Much better than the last GW rewards.
It's great, not only because it helps you level armor, which becomes really expensive...but it also helps out in the guild challenges, a lot.

"Use 20 Fusion Boost Armors in Fusion"

This takes a loooooong time, and is ridiculously expensive, when it costs over 1M gold for one Fusion Boost Armor.

[Zyntree]

The Fusion Boost Armor rewards were great. Much better than the last GW rewards.
It's great, not only because it helps you level armor, which becomes really expensive...but it also helps out in the guild challenges, a lot.

"Use 20 Fusion Boost Armors in Fusion"

This takes a loooooong time, and is ridiculously expensive, when it costs over 1M gold for one Fusion Boost Armor.

I agree completely. I really liked that war. It was quick and dirty and fun, and the rewards were great too. But like I said before, someone will complain about everything. 1st war the rewards were too good... this time not good enough, although I tend to agree that they weren't good enough (and I wasn't one of the ones complaining first time around). What's really silly is that D was better than C or B. Whatever they do next time, I will be interested to see.

Certainly making a more attractive target for top 25 would encourage the push that way, now that guild are better formed and competitive players have coalesced...

[Lieda]

The epic armor is one thing, but i also agree, you *mostly* cant get gems without spending gems, so they shouldnt be even there. Revamp time :)

[Mr Spock]

Check the threads...during and after the first guild war a lot of people complained that too many armors were handed out and wanted them reduced...so Gree did just that.
But regarding Ribbons C and D you are correct...i always wonder if they just let someone pick the armor who is like...oh it only has 3 stars, even if it is a + the 4 star must be better...

That's crazy my excitement factor was in thinking I could get some fusion boosts...having them also makes playing every hour more palatable. More playing time should translate into more money for Gree. A couple of times we did not attack the guardian based upon energy consumption limits. However a fusion boost would have spurred me to spend the buck...

GREE RETHINK THAT. FUSION BOOSTS FROM GUARDIAN KILLS WILL HELP YOUR BOTTOM LINE. IF GUYS LIKE ME ARE LEVELING UP OUR ARMORS THAN THE REAL MONEY SPENDERS WILL NEED TO SPEND MORE TO STAY AHEAD OF US...

[Bride of Eunuchorn]

So much wrong with the rewards.

Top 3 guilds: unique achievement/title
Top 2 guilds: unique cape
Top 1 guild: any kind of passive bonus:
1 extra armor storage slot
.5% faster regen of anything!
.5% more gold from buildings


The gem & key rewards are boring & an insult.

[-Solo-]

1 extra armor slot is an insult. I don't know why we are still stuck at 60 capacity.

[busteroaf]

That's crazy my excitement factor was in thinking I could get some fusion boosts...having them also makes playing every hour more palatable. More playing time should translate into more money for Gree. A couple of times we did not attack the guardian based upon energy consumption limits. However a fusion boost would have spurred me to spend the buck...

GREE RETHINK THAT. FUSION BOOSTS FROM GUARDIAN KILLS WILL HELP YOUR BOTTOM LINE. IF GUYS LIKE ME ARE LEVELING UP OUR ARMORS THAN THE REAL MONEY SPENDERS WILL NEED TO SPEND MORE TO STAY AHEAD OF US...

So... You basically want guild wars just to farm fusion boosts for yourself. That's so sweet and team-player-ish of you. Also, until they prove that the guardians are worth it, I think you'll find many guilds are choosing to go without them.

[busteroaf]

1 extra armor slot is an insult. I don't know why we are still stuck at 60 capacity.

After winning a few wars, whether it's one slot or 5, that stuff adds up.

[-Solo-]

So does the gems.

[busteroaf]

So much wrong with the rewards.

Top 3 guilds: unique achievement/title
Top 2 guilds: unique cape
Top 1 guild: any kind of passive bonus:
1 extra armor storage slot
.5% faster regen of anything!
.5% more gold from buildings


The gem & key rewards are boring & an insult.

I agree. Titles would be nice. No way to distinguish top players from everyone else, especially with so many similar/copycat names.

Passive bonuses would be lovely as well.

[joepohlkamp]

So much wrong with the rewards.

Top 3 guilds: unique achievement/title
Top 2 guilds: unique cape
Top 1 guild: any kind of passive bonus:
1 extra armor storage slot
.5% faster regen of anything!
.5% more gold from buildings


The gem & key rewards are boring & an insult.

I would personally trade all of the gems and keys that I have received from the guild wars to date for 1 storage slot. The war reward revamp suggestions here are much better than anything that has been currently being offered outside of the top gear. If you think about it, the gems and gem-value of the keys given to first place total to about 160 gems max. Players that are aiming for the top spot spend 10X that amount easy if not 20X.

Keeping gems and keys in the rewards for the guilds ranked 100-on makes sense since you can arguably rank at that level with nobody spending gems. If anyone thinks that keeping the gems and keys is rational please send me a pm, I have a great $10,000 investment payout that is yours for just $100,000.

[Bride of Eunuchorn]

So does the gems.

This made me LoL. The fact that you're probably serious made me cry afterwards.

[Jman]

So much wrong with the rewards.

Top 3 guilds: unique achievement/title
Top 2 guilds: unique cape
Top 1 guild: any kind of passive bonus:
1 extra armor storage slot
.5% faster regen of anything!
.5% more gold from buildings


The gem & key rewards are boring & an insult.

I disagree. These types of bonuses add up too quickly and make the top guilds unbeatable. Look in any of the other gree games and you will see what I mean.

[Hildigam]

I disagree. These types of bonuses add up too quickly and make the top guilds unbeatable. Look in any of the other gree games and you will see what I mean.

None of the bonuses mentioned are gamebreaking tbh

[Bride of Eunuchorn]

I forgot fusion stones are given as rewards, that's how useless they are. I never have less than 100 stones I buy gold chests so often.
I'm sorry, but if you don't think RR will be the #1 guild every single war from here on out, you're deluding yourself. How many fights did you have last war? Most of our players were over 500. That's *almost* what it takes to get 10million points. They gave us 7 refills worth of gems. It's a brazen spit in our face. You think my knights having better HP regen will make me OP? Last I checked, being over level 100 means nothing. Having more inventory slots is OP? I have 23 30/30 nemesis. I am sitting at 54/60 slots *minimum* at all times. Having faster epic boss recharge? Last I checked, half the player base can't even hit 43. I bought 120 gems worth of EE to be on 49 day 2. Faster AE regen? Still caps at 5 moran. Raise the AE cap by 1 for top guild every 4 wars? Great now I only check it every 75-90 minutes instead of your 60. Or I check every 20 min for 1 fight, despite how fast or at what cap. Where exactly am I creating more disparity than there already is. The fact is, I spend more money on gems than you, & you don't get why the rewards shouldn't be different.

[Lacerator]

I agree completely, these would be great rewards as they advance an account much further than even another great piece of armor. And let's face it, enough time and money is spent in these wars by the top alliances to warrant prizes of this nature.
The 60 armor limit is crazy, I think a museum type building to put old maxed armors in for storage would help a great deal. It would also be fun IMO to be able to view these stored armors from a players profile.

[Synovia]

I was really disappointed that the fusion boost armor reward had been removed for killing the guardian I spent the majority of my energies taking out the guardian so everyone else could battle. By doing so I usually got left out of the fighting mix as I would burn all my energy. I wrote Gree who explained that the reward had been removed to better balance the game. It seemed that that unbalanced it ..... I would like to see Gree reinstate that....

So, basically, your whole guild contributed to winning guild battles, and you got a whole lot of fusion armors (and nobody else did), and you think thats fair/balanced.

The point of guild wars is playing as a team, and when you assign rewards to one specific action, it prevents teamwork. Everyone rushes to kill the guardian, like you did.

IE, removing it is probably the best thing Gree could do.

[Synovia]

None of the bonuses mentioned are gamebreaking tbh

Yeah, they are.

More gold/more regen/more EP/whatever means that they can farm faster than anyone else, which means they'll max epics faster than anyone else, and they'll win more rewards in Arena/Bosses/and Guild wars. Its a self reinforcing arms spiral, and its a terrible idea.

[madfighters]

I agree completely, these would be great rewards as they advance an account much further than even another great piece of armor. And let's face it, enough time and money is spent in these wars by the top alliances to warrant prizes of this nature.
The 60 armor limit is crazy, I think a museum type building to put old maxed armors in for storage would help a great deal. It would also be fun IMO to be able to view these stored armors from a players profile.
good idea I really hope they implement it the museum part I mean

[Bride of Eunuchorn]

Yeah, they are.

More gold/more regen/more EP/whatever means that they can farm faster than anyone else, which means they'll max epics faster than anyone else, and they'll win more rewards in Arena/Bosses/and Guild wars. Its a self reinforcing arms spiral, and its a terrible idea.

Maybe try reading & quoting the post that actually elaborates on why you are wrong. These are not OP, & if you think they are that's because you have no possibility of ever even needing these bonuses. Have fun with the midgame, don't let mommy & daddy catch you up so late playing video games.

[Bride of Eunuchorn]

I forgot fusion stones are given as rewards, that's how useless they are. I never have less than 100 stones I buy gold chests so often.
I'm sorry, but if you don't think RR will be the #1 guild every single war from here on out, you're deluding yourself. How many fights did you have last war? Most of our players were over 500. That's *almost* what it takes to get 10million points. They gave us 7 refills worth of gems. It's a brazen spit in our face. You think my knights having better HP regen will make me OP? Last I checked, being over level 100 means nothing. Having more inventory slots is OP? I have 23 30/30 nemesis. I am sitting at 54/60 slots *minimum* at all times. Having faster epic boss recharge? Last I checked, half the player base can't even hit 43. I bought 120 gems worth of EE to be on 49 day 2. Faster AE regen? Still caps at 5 moran. Raise the AE cap by 1 for top guild every 4 wars? Great now I only check it every 75-90 minutes instead of your 60. Or I check every 20 min for 1 fight, despite how fast or at what cap. Where exactly am I creating more disparity than there already is. The fact is, I spend more money on gems than you, & you don't get why the rewards shouldn't be different.

Here, Ill do it for you so you don't have to actually scroll down. You should probably change your post viewed per page as well, I'll put a link in my sig for you.

[Synovia]

Maybe try reading & quoting the post that actually elaborates on why you are wrong..

"Because I'm Eunochorn and I'm always right and I spend more money than you" isn't actually elaborating anything, other than your personality disorders.

[The Pale Rider]

"Because I'm Eunochorn and I'm always right and I spend more money than you" isn't actually elaborating anything, other than your personality disorders.
I find the angry, disdainful power gamer meme particularly jarring with K&D as an essentially non-skill based game.

[Bride of Eunuchorn]

lol another "whiners about economical priorities hate the Eunuchorn" thread. I've missed these. You're all a bunch of scrubs who can't understand applied psychology or any viewpoint from that of your own threshold.

[The Pale Rider]

lol another "whiners about economical priorities hate the Eunuchorn" thread. I've missed these. You're all a bunch of scrubs who can't understand applied psychology or any viewpoint from that of your own threshold.
Exactly .

[Bride of Eunuchorn]

I'll apologize here, my post did have a lot of "me this me that" in it. If you can't relate, then you probably don't bother looking at epic boss leaderboards because *you have to spend money on gems to compete*. If you can't relate when I say I have this or that, you aren't in the tier of player I'm speaking for & it won't matter what bonuses you will never get from a guild war or what bonuses someone else received, because they all affect personal gameplay.

I said fusion stones are worthless because I buy gold chests. For EB armors & white kale mats. My forge is level 96 & I'm going slow leveling it compared to some of my guildies. But you think any of us having slightly faster regen is gonna help us farm mats faster & level faster?

IF YOU FARM SNAKESKINS TO LEVEL ARMOR, well, go start a thread about it & talk about whatever it is you top 100 guilds talk about. I don't understand what you even get out of the gameplay experience being so limited on time, resources, & rewards.

Stop taking what I say of personally or offensively. Just click "Find all posts" under my avatar there, read through them, & accept the fact I know far more about the base mechanics & subtleties of the game than you.

& please, please everyone, stop voting.

[Mr Spock]

So... You basically want guild wars just to farm fusion boosts for yourself. That's so sweet and team-player-ish of you. Also, until they prove that the guardians are worth it, I think you'll find many guilds are choosing to go without them.


I spent 100 bucks in the first war...and played until I passed out..LOL... This war was boring without the fusion boosts. I paid nothing except 17 bucks at the start... So Gree lost 83 bucks... My guild is not competitive in the sense that we have a real chance of winning much....earning some fusion boosts is nice. Because there were not any we did not spend as much money. I doubt the decision to remove them is helping Gree's bottom line.

As far as the guardians go we fought 69 battles and all but two had guardians for the 50 I was awake on. down at our levels they actually help because everyone regenerates to fight... So you are wrong on that point also...

[DD freddy]

did everyone get them now

[firefly333]

You have these super strong players, and you reward them with UltaMega BadassDestroyer Armor +++ while everyone else gets some weak stuff.

Only #1 team, Majestics got the plus armor, #2 to #10 got the unplus version, which was still very nice.

But perhaps I am being too literal and you are calling plus and unplus ultramega badass?

I think I MIGHT have spent around 300 gems on last two battles, so getting 40 back was nice but insignificant. I will never say no to any amount of gems. I hardly ever get videos that others seem to get.

From reading some threads this morning it does sound like those boosts are one of the favorite prizes, .. after the mega badass epic armors of course :D

It does take a lot of money to upgrade those epics, so I love boosts, but love the epic armor prize best of all. It was worth fighting for, for me. The boosts in the 4 hour blitz, nice, but I could take them or leave them. I would not spend gems to get them. Please keep epic armor as a prize for war.

[Mr Spock]

Only #1 team, Majestics got the plus armor, #2 to #10 got the unplus version, which was still very nice.

But perhaps I am being too literal and you are calling plus and unplus ultramega badass?

I think I MIGHT have spent around 300 gems on last two battles, so getting 40 back was nice but insignificant. I will never say no to any amount of gems. I hardly ever get videos that others seem to get.

From reading some threads this morning it does sound like those boosts are one of the favorite prizes, .. after the mega badass epic armors of course :D

It does take a lot of money to upgrade those epics, so I love boosts, but love the epic armor prize best of all. It was worth fighting for, for me. The boosts in the 4 hour blitz, nice, but I could take them or leave them. I would not spend gems to get them. Please keep epic armor as a prize for war.

Absolutely the Epics r the prize for the big boys....me I play with my grandson...I am the guild master of a whole group of 12 year olds form Holland Australia etc...I feel like a scout master...point is this guild has a blast but we do not compete for the same reasons as a power guild would. If I don't take out the guardian and the sentinel no one else will...I love helping the kids have fun I just feel like getting the boost armor is decent payment as sometimes I have to spend gems to take them down...

[josesmith]

As I have an opportunity to join one of the best guild (Thanks RRU)
I don't know is anyone discuss about it. But in the guildwar, I'm quite worthless(3 days war I did around 20k points/ join about 80 % of all declared) because i m not a spender. But, for the spenders act like 100k+ points. I d like to introduce a more balance gameplay here.
case 1: (good for us, bad for gree)
let separate to two way of war: spender wars and non-spender wars
It's sure that for spender wars have much better rewards(may be the same rewards). and for non spender get like non plus5* or 4* plus as well(limited 20-30 rewards).
case 2: half-spender (still bad for gree)
In each time of declared war, each player can only refill 1 time of energy.
case 3: step-up spender (fair-fair)
In each time of declared war, each player can refill energy any time as they want, BUT the cost of energy refill will be increasing (let me show : 10 for first refill, 15 for second , 20 for third,....growing)

It's just my idea bros

Do you guys agree.

[KOA]

For those guilds that competed for a top 25 position within the last war, fear not, your efforts were a complete waste of time as the latest epic boss armor is just as good as guardians battlegear+.

[Eunuchorn]

GB+ is an amazing armor. So is forge. Let us know how Guardian does against the bear.

That being said, I pray they make war rewards more unique by tier, & more useful overall

[PainTenshi]

O Come on... Why only the top 3 guild get the Epic armour.
This will only make the Strong player get Stronger, just like in reality the rich get richer because they had more funds to invest.
They should come out with something like an Guild war event chest and the Top guild gets like 20? 30? keys for that chest. And give out at least 2 keys to all guild that participated?
At least everybody had a chance for an epic armour. :)

[EljayK]

O Come on... Why only the top 3 guild get the Epic armour.
This will only make the Strong player get Stronger, just like in reality the rich get richer because they had more funds to invest.
They should come out with something like an Guild war event chest and the Top guild gets like 20? 30? keys for that chest. And give out at least 2 keys to all guild that participated?
At least everybody had a chance for an epic armour. :)

Top ten guilds go the epic. Top guild got the + version. With all 10 of those guilds having max members that 400 or less armors. 400 is a lot of an epic.

While I agree with where you're going for the second idea, it's flawed. The amount of gems put into winning top 10 guild well deserves that epic. 20 or 30 keys for a chest with a chance at an epic is laughable. The people who spent for maelstrom irons right before the event, opened far more than 30 chests. The reward would simply not be worth the effort, and it would be unfair to the amount of money spent.

I don't buy gems, but I support the fairness towards those that do. They pay to be top. This isn't a console game where you pay one amount and then compete online for free. This is a game that takes dedication in time, efficiency, and wallet, to reach the top. Everyone does have a chance for an epic. They release chests where you can use free gems to get them all the time.

[The Pale Rider]

GB+ is an amazing armor. So is forge. Let us know how Guardian does against the bear.

That being said, I pray they make war rewards more unique by tier, & more useful overall

Now we know the bear is better than guardian+ and destroys guardian reg or Nezz+

Just so happens the reward for guilds finishing 25-100 in the GW that just finished were guardians and guardians+ Which is replaced days later before most players have even leveled it. I ho[pe this was inadvertant, because it's terrible planning to not get players t level before making the armor they're leveling outmoded.

I have nezz+, guardians and bear+ - A nice water/fire or water/air armor would be appreciated - basically anything that isn't earth/spirit.

[Eunuchorn]

I agree PW, I've been complaining about S/E for awhile. Thank god they made Bear E/S at least, as Beast shouldve been. Also, by the time many players can craft a bear+ they will have had lots of time to level a G/+ & you want 3 of each element combo anyways

[The Pale Rider]

I agree PW, I've been complaining about S/E for awhile. Thank god they made Bear E/S at least, as Beast shouldve been. Also, by the time many players can craft a bear+ they will have had lots of time to level a G/+ & you want 3 of each element combo anyways

If there are 5 elements and you want three of every combination (ignoring element order diversity, i.e. E/S vs. SE ) that would be 5 factorial times 3 or 360 armor sets. Not enough inventory slots :(

[Eunuchorn]

Ideal situations are very rarely begotten

[Zrednic]

That's incorrect. There are only 10 unique combinations of 2 elements, or 30 armor sets to cover.

[The Pale Rider]

That's incorrect. There are only 10 unique combinations of 2 elements, or 30 armor sets to cover.
You're right of course (excluding monos). With monos: 1/1, 1/2, 1/3, 1/4, 1/5, 2/2, 2/3, 2/4, 2/5, 3/3, 3/4, 3/5, 4/4, 4/5 and 5/5, so 15 total.

[nezoic]

I think they should remove the ability to use gems for guild wars. Yes I know it's pay to win... blah blah blah, but there should be a limit.

[Stooboot]

I can't seem to follow the logic of offering gems as part of the top guild war rewards. In order to get a top reward, members use 1000s of gems. Getting less than 100 back as a reward seems fairly illogical. I believe more fusion stones or fusion boosts are in order as an alternative to gems. These items are far more useful for those that compete for top tier positions on the leaderboard

were lucky they give out gems at all play modern war or crime city and c if u complain about 50 or 25 gems for any spot.

[Eunuchorn]

Why would you include monos?

As to no gems during war, I would be bored but not against it. Goes against all standing accepted business models though...so unlikely.

[Hakurou]

No gems during war just switches the winner from the one willing to spend the most money to those who can neglect sleep for the longest time.

[Eunuchorn]

Not sleeping requires more skill than gems

[zaunfink]

Polyphasic sleep via gaming? :D

[cryologic]

[QUOTE=Bride of Eunuchorn;989050 The fact is, I spend more money on gems than you, & you don't get why the rewards shouldn't be different.[/QUOTE]

Lol! Simple Economics.. I spend more money, I want more stuff..

As for no gems during war, or even a limit.. Rofl!! you think gree's business model would allow that? They are making hundreds of thousands of dollars per war.

Frankly based on the incredible financial success of this game and many others just like it, I am moved to invest in the development of my own F2P Coercive Monetization Model Games.

[cafedecoy]

I can't seem to follow the logic of offering gems as part of the top guild war rewards. In order to get a top reward, members use 1000s of gems. Getting less than 100 back as a reward seems fairly illogical. I believe more fusion stones or fusion boosts are in order as an alternative to gems. These items are far more useful for those that compete for top tier positions on the leaderboard

Whaddaya mean it doesn't make sense? Stuff like these happen all the time in our lives. Think of the credit cards that give you cash back for spending. In a way.. this is like cashback. You are a fool for thinking that you'd get rich off cash back.

Oh wait... if you buy gems with your credit card, and then get cash back for purchase, and get gems back for winning.. that's like ... double cash back.

LOL. Keep buying those gems!