[Danger] The Ember Lizard - September 18th - September 25th

[The Wise One]

Attention Knights!

The Dark Prince has just unleashed a new boss that's approaching your castle walls fast! Defeat The Ember Lizard to collect keys, items, gems, and a Limited Edition armor set! The Ember Lizard will be here for a limited time only, so act now!

Find and deal bonus damage using the nemesis armor set and compete in the Damage Leaderboards for a chance to win even more rewards.



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[D3athShade]

Meh, i have Blazeborn so not really interesting for me.
Looks cool tho, armor as well

[~Nate~]

Already beat it 20 times, it's easy

[geo81]

I can't wait for some more dual elements!

[Edwinz]

Unable to fuse for epic.... dont really have the temptation to go for this boss.... -_-

[~Nate~]

I'm going for epic +
1 warrior takes me through 15 with 1/2 life left

[Joshx135]

Cant wait till we are done with these mono elements.

[Lunasea]

The last Legendary Boss at this Brawl 2 event seems to be a dual element from the looks ; Hope I am proven right

[Gabzor89]

Did they sneak in some changes to the boss again, aside from boosting the boss' attack? It seems that after every critical hit i make, the boss criticals back.

[Musketeer]

While it is 12 weeks since the last mono Fire Epic Boss, as Deathshade says a lot of people now have Blazeborne which makes this useless, to them.

It's been 19 weeks since we had an Earth/Air boss, 17 since we had Water/Fire, and 15 since we had Air/Fire. All other possible combinations have cropped up more recently than these.

Here's hoping next week's boss is one of these combos.

[Edwinz]

I assume the last epic boss will be appear as spirit and fire boss as the helmet colour on the banner show to me that it mostly might be. Standby for water and fire elements to counter last boss :)

[Sol Invictus]

What's wrong with single-element bosses? Only one armor element is useful against them?

[gardibolt]

As i understand it, dual element armors get guild bonuses from two elements. Mono don't. This makes a bigger difference the higher your guild bonuses are.

[EljayK]

Gardibolt, that is true. However, if you compare the stats to these mono elements recently, against the last dual element armor, Aegis of the Fallen, your character will have identical stats at level 100 with a 10% bonus in all elements.

These monos are 250 total stat points stronger than any dual that has come out in the last 2 months.

[EljayK]

What's wrong with single-element bosses? Only one armor element is useful against them?

I find nothing wrong with them. I love monos. I regard them as a permanent nemesis armor. They don't do extra damage, but if you have a line of 5 of them you will always have a fall-back. The stats on these are also very good compared to previous mono armors. When it comes to EB fighting they're fine.

In the arena however, there are too many cons. The stats aren't high enough to justify the fact that they only get a bonus against half the number of armors as a dual, they are unable to do 2x damage at all, and they don't offer enough coverage in a line-up.

[Raichu]

I find nothing wrong with them. I love monos. I regard them as a permanent nemesis armor. They don't do extra damage, but if you have a line of 5 of them you will always have a fall-back. The stats on these are also very good compared to previous mono armors. When it comes to EB fighting they're fine.

In the arena however, there are too many cons. The stats aren't high enough to justify the fact that they only get a bonus against half the number of armors as a dual, they are unable to do 2x damage at all, and they don't offer enough coverage in a line-up.
Exactlyyyyy!!!!

[Sifu]

In the arena however, there are too many cons. The stats aren't high enough to justify the fact that they only get a bonus against half the number of armors as a dual, they are unable to do 2x damage at all, and they don't offer enough coverage in a line-up.

Actually, even in arena they are no different than any other type of armor. I made a table to compare the different types.
Mono
Dual Adjacent
Dual Non-Adjacent

Every possible gain puts you at equal risk. For example, if you can GET dual bonus, you are at risk of TAKING double bonus, etc. Just look at any column or row within a color in the table.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjxUcOrItoV0dHlrdGx3VkZfNWdwX0QzRUVTYkF1N lE#gid=0

As long as the stats make up for not getting dual guild bonus, monos are fine in arena.

[JonS52]

There is an additional advantage that dual element armors have over monos: versatility. A dual can be worn by three members of your crew, mono can only be worn by two...

[deathexe]

There is an additional advantage that dual element armors have over monos: versatility. A dual can be worn by three members of your crew, mono can only be worn by two...

That doesn't really matter unless you intend to have three of the same element mono armors equipped.

[DarkVoltz]

last boss is awater bear?o.o

[blackheart5]

Looks like fire/spirit

[DarkVoltz]

think about it, all the previous beast boss is all mono type, and they had, Air, rock, spirit, now fire, and alls thats left is water :)
and i have no good air armor ;(

[Nec772]

think about it, all the previous beast boss is all mono type, and they had, Air, rock, spirit, now fire, and alls thats left is water :)
and i have no good air armor ;(

There was a water boss just before the event started Leviathan. It should be some combo armor I'm sure.

[DarkVoltz]

Yes thats true, but it wasnt with the beast brawl

[JonS52]

That doesn't really matter unless you intend to have three of the same element mono armors equipped.

You're not thinking broad enough. Say you're farming Sparkling Steppes, you've discovered that Starsong Shroud is your most effective here. It can be worn by 3 different knights Triton (your water based knight), Shadow (your spirit based knight) and your Main knight. A mono armor that is just as effective as Starsong Shroud can only be worn by two knights, the knight whose elemental orientation fits it and your main knight. Thus the dual armor is better in this role because it can save hit points lost during farming. Hit point management is also an important consideration.

[Sifu]

By the same token, however, many dual element armors cannot get a bonus without taking bonus damage. For instance, swamp shaman is my strongest "earth" armor. However, if I target an air stage/boss, I will also take bonus damage. For Dual Element armors with non-adjacent elements, you almost have to think of them as a single element. SS is really a water armor, for instance because of what I just mentioned. Every non-adjacent has that issue that one of the two elements is weak. This is only sometimes true for adjacents because they don't have that gap between the elements.

[~Nate~]

last boss is awater bear?o.o

Either Mono Water (again ;( )
Or water, earth

[deathexe]

You're not thinking broad enough. Say you're farming Sparkling Steppes, you've discovered that Starsong Shroud is your most effective here. It can be worn by 3 different knights Triton (your water based knight), Shadow (your spirit based knight) and your Main knight. A mono armor that is just as effective as Starsong Shroud can only be worn by two knights, the knight whose elemental orientation fits it and your main knight. Thus the dual armor is better in this role because it can save hit points lost during farming. Hit point management is also an important consideration.

That would probably matter for a low leveled player who has limited armors choices and has to pick what armors he or she levels next so as to help him the most. However, in the case of level 100 players, I doubt that hit point management would be a major consideration. Most of the time, what would be important would be whether or not the armor has good enough stats, and whether it's elements, or element in this care, helps to fill up your elemental spectrum so as to help you most with the epic boss, arena or guild wars, not farming.

[flchamberlain]

Either Mono Water (again ;( )
Or water, earth

Another mono seems unlikely since (as others have pointed out) they just finished a cycle. Looks like earth / spirit to me just from the colors (but that combo came up 2 before this mono cycle). IMHO they should think out of the box and have it be all elements as the "opposite" of all these mono's. Not holding my breath on that though.

[EljayK]

That would probably matter for a low leveled player who has limited armors choices and has to pick what armors he or she levels next so as to help him the most. However, in the case of level 100 players, I doubt that hit point management would be a major consideration. Most of the time, what would be important would be whether or not the armor has good enough stats, and whether it's elements, or element in this care, helps to fill up your elemental spectrum so as to help you most with the epic boss, arena or guild wars, not farming.

It's also worth considering here, to add to your point, that someone who is concerned with farming to the extent this extent most likely won't have the capability to be creating plus version boss armors. There simply isn't a situation I can imagine where you would be worried about farming to this extent, unless you're trying to gain levels. Materials in this particular example are irrelevant, as the armor they make takes a whole day.

[Sifu]

Actually, even in arena they are no different than any other type of armor. I made a table to compare the different types.
Mono
Dual Adjacent
Dual Non-Adjacent

Every possible gain puts you at equal risk. For example, if you can GET dual bonus, you are at risk of TAKING double bonus, etc. Just look at any column or row within a color in the table.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjxUcOrItoV0dHlrdGx3VkZfNWdwX0QzRUVTYkF1N lE#gid=0

As long as the stats make up for not getting dual guild bonus, monos are fine in arena.

Sorry, this should be properly shared now.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjxUcOrItoV0dHlrdGx3VkZfNWdwX0QzRUVTYkF1N lE#gid=0

[diseasedmeat]

I am looking for anyone who is of higher lvl and have nemesis for this boss, stuck on 20 would like to get to 30 kills or so. If u have room on list let me know plz

[BethMo]

It's also worth considering here, to add to your point, that someone who is concerned with farming to the extent this extent most likely won't have the capability to be creating plus version boss armors.

It's funny to see this right when most of the high level players are suddenly farming their fingers off for the limited quest (and cursing about talon drop rates).

[Lieda]

Does any anyone even attempt for the nemesis anymore? none of my friends got nemesis since that slimelord boss, now everybody have blazebornes moontides, some serious stuff that makes nemesis such a meh....

[EljayK]

It's funny to see this right when most of the high level players are suddenly farming their fingers off for the limited quest (and cursing about talon drop rates).

Haha. Yeah, it was almost ominously preceding the event.

[Lieda]

Oh, since this turned out into a mono x dual discussion I might get myself in

MONO's for president! i love mono armors specially the Ice Lich, wich makes no much sense, but it looks awesome and the stats is pretty much the same of that of a dual armor cuz its naturally buffed!

[shukai84]

i hope that the new boss is water element...else i am dammed! :P

[Sifu]

This is my first week I could make a legit push for 43. I just got 36 this morning. Not enough time left is there?

[tshell]

I just had to stop by and give my compliments to the Gree artist(s) on this boss armor. It is my favorite looking armor that I have encountered. By far! Makes me even more excited that this one will be my first EB+ that I'll have the privilege to make.

Yay!

[JakeVersus]

Banking on the next boss being Fire/Water! That would be nice.

[cafedecoy]

To me it looks like the next boss will be spirit + earth. If you look at what it looks like from the beast keys page, it's purple and brown... so far, most of the armors have been fairly color accurate to their elements.

[Spongie]

Banking on the next boss being Fire/Water! That would be nice.

air/earth is more likely since its has been long ago we had such a boss

[Sifu]

air/earth is more likely since its has been long ago we had such a boss

The recently released Aegis of the Dragon is air/earth, so I don't know if that will factor into it.

[deathexe]

The recently released Aegis of the Dragon is air/earth, so I don't know if that will factor into it.

Aegis of the dragon is a pretty old armor, just that they gave it away this time round for every 50 chest you buy. It has indeed been a long time since an air earth boss.

[Gabzor89]

last one was dragon tortoise, 19 weeks ago

[gnolaum]

The seem to have a penchant for including at least one weak element from the previous boss; so that means WATER. They just finished the mono elements, so this is probably not going to be mono.

From most recent the water combinations for epic boss have been:
WATER/EARTH
WATER/AIR
WATER/SPIRIT
WATER/FIRE

Looking at the picture the base color is blue, which supports water, and the reddish/brown spikes look like they could be either earth or fire.

I'm going to guess WATER/FIRE since that includes an element strong against the previous weeks armor, has been the longest water armor combination, and seems to match the picture. Runner-up would be WATER/EARTH.

[Necromancers]

The seem to have a penchant for including at least one weak element from the previous boss; so that means WATER. They just finished the mono elements, so this is probably not going to be mono.

From most recent the water combinations for epic boss have been:
WATER/EARTH
WATER/AIR
WATER/SPIRIT
WATER/FIRE

Looking at the picture the base color is blue, which supports water, and the reddish/brown spikes look like they could be either earth or fire.

I'm going to guess WATER/FIRE since that includes an element strong against the previous weeks armor, has been the longest water armor combination, and seems to match the picture. Runner-up would be WATER/EARTH.

It's gonna be Air/Earth. I'm gonna tell you exactly why.

1. The most recent Epic is Maelstrom, so following GREE's logic an Air/Earth Epic Boss will be profitable, since people can't use Maelstrom and try to get other Epics or strong armors, and the only quick way to do so, you guessed it, is Dark Prince Chest or Beast Chest.
2. What was the last time there was an Air/Earth Boss? As stated before, 19 weeks ago. Sounds like it's time to do it again.
3. Now look at the helmet representing Armored Bear. First of all, bears are creatures that live on land (Earth), and it's armored so that negates the chances of it being partially Water, as the weight won't help swimming, or even floating in water. Second of all, if you look closely to the red things on the helmet, the texture used for them reminds me of blowing wind. Now lastly, the Limited Edition Cape is clearly based on the bear, and it shows no signs of it being related to Water (again), actually, it supports my Air/Earth theory even more.

90% sure I'm correct. We'll see.

[EljayK]

Also take into consideration the reverse spin of Nemesis armors.

Generally they tend to spin backwards from the previous week, and it's rare that it's skipped. The only skip I remember specifically was one week during Dragon Event which it spun forward and then went backwards again.

Current Nemesis is water, back-spin puts it at air.

An air nemesis means the opponent will be weak to air and not strong against it. Options include Water/Fire, Water, Spirit, Pure water.

If it were Water/Air the nemesis would be earth.

This could also all be BS since it's the end of a 5 mono element rotation, and they could very well just throw that out the window to start a new cycle of things.

[busteroaf]

It will be steel and magma. Two new elements. Know how I know? Cause the term "bear" is Algonquin for... Ah hell. With the way Gree does things, we can properly deduce they probably don't even know. We can speculate all day long and unless they tell us it's a certain combo, no one knows.

[EljayK]

It will be steel and magma. Two new elements. Know how I know? Cause the term "bear" is Algonquin for... Ah hell. With the way Gree does things, we can properly deduce they probably don't even know. We can speculate all day long and unless they tell us it's a certain combo, no one knows.

I, in fact, DO actually know. I went to see my friend Helga about a pest problem in her house, and after spraying the house with pesticide I saw the face of a bear in the mist hanging in the air. Then as the mist fell I realized that PEST rhymes with BEST which is one letter off from BEAST and rhymes with CHEST, which means that if Mars is in Ursa right now there will be WAR (guild war) and FIRE. And since it started with a bear in mist, it will be a misty fire ursa mars psuedo new-tech cyber android starmetal factory robot scion epiphany dillinger

[Lacerator]

I, in fact, DO actually know. I went to see my friend Helga about a pest problem in her house, and after spraying the house with pesticide I saw the face of a bear in the mist hanging in the air. Then as the mist fell I realized that PEST rhymes with BEST which is one letter off from BEAST and rhymes with CHEST, which means that if Mars is in Ursa right now there will be WAR (guild war) and FIRE. And since it started with a bear in mist, it will be a misty fire ursa mars psuedo new-tech cyber android starmetal factory robot scion epiphany dillinger

Lmao very nice EljayK :)

[leale]

kind of hoping it's not earth or air...just for my own selfish reasons

[imTectonic]

theres too many stickies like why does this need to be up