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KillaJackz
08-27-2013, 07:48 AM
Lol am I the only one who would much rather have a 13640 attack bonus, 7345 defense bonus and 10% more attack from guns as to the 3,2 and 1 prizes? Lol I think those top 3 prizes SUCK.

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Captain Torgue
08-27-2013, 07:53 AM
The first prize is rubbish, the second prize gives you a significant edge over your opponents during fights and the third prize is a beast.

10% increase to an attack is a huge bonus. Lets say your attack is 1 million then its an extra 100k on top of that for that prize alone. 2 million attack gets 200k, 3 million 300k and so on. These prizes stack over time so as you get more weapons then your attack increases on top of the items you receive.

Make no mistake the prize for third place is the best prize in the next war. All the more reason to go Rogue :)

BigMoney
08-27-2013, 08:06 AM
Yep, mafia attack is by far and away the best modifier, save for something like an energy mod or something. Building payout is pretty good too I guess, seeing as how LTBs area nice way to boost your stats for free.

Edit: I was going to say that perhaps he prefers the Top 25 items to the 10% mafia attack bonus because maybe the Top25 items would add more to his stats now than a +10% mafia attack boost would (if forced to pick one or the other). But the +10% mafia attack modifier will always be useful, as it is resistant to stat inflation. Whereas the same can not be said of some 1k-6k items, which might be irrelevant by next year...

KillaJackz
08-27-2013, 08:14 AM
I see ^^ I'd agree the attack bonus is boss but the other two, idk. -5 mafia would barely do anything at high levels because most people have well over the 500 mafia

Dipstik
08-27-2013, 08:21 AM
I see ^^ I'd agree the attack bonus is boss but the other two, idk. -5 mafia would barely do anything at high levels because most people have well over the 500 mafia

I lol'd. Thanks for this :)

BigMoney
08-27-2013, 08:22 AM
I see ^^ I'd agree the attack bonus is boss but the other two, idk. -5 mafia would barely do anything at high levels because most people have well over the 500 mafia

You only use 500 mafia in battle. If an opponent has 500+ mafia, then a -5 mafia mod reduces your opponent's mafia to 495. This isn't that great, as it is their weakest 5 mafia members no longer being used, but it is an effect that is cumulative over time (FC members already have -X mafia mods, so this could be -7 to -12 opponent's mafia etc). My weakest items are somewhere in the 20s, so if someone used this mod on my my defense would be 5 mafia members * 5 weapons * 20 stats/weapon = 500 points lower. That's really ****ty actually. I don't know what my bottom items are, but even if it subtracted a few thousand from my defense, that's not that big of an impact when we are talking about players with 1mil+ attacks.

Cao Bao
08-27-2013, 09:01 AM
After starring hard at this post after it confusing me I realised that the title should be top 10 vs top 1,2,3. The prize you said is the top ten prize not the top 25.

MattThomas08
08-27-2013, 09:03 AM
The -mafia item is terrible (though not as bad as first place). Making your opponent unable to bring their worst 5 items in each category is crap. However, at this rate, in a few years, when you're fighting FC, you'll be bringing 0 mafia into battle and they'll be making billions on their jobs payout :D.

The top 3 item is one of the best items in the entire game. It'll boost our stats by probably 125k per building. I would prefer it over a cost modifier, a double upgrade modifier, a speed building modifier, just about anything. It really is a ridiculously good item.... So let us know if you're interested :)

CCK-buttsy
08-27-2013, 09:15 AM
i already have -3 from opponents, from skullcrusher flail (top 10 PvP Event - old style) and Last Emperor (top 750 prize chinatown throwdown), so 2nd prize wouldn't be all that bad.

murf
08-27-2013, 09:57 AM
You only use 500 mafia in battle. If an opponent has 500+ mafia, then a -5 mafia mod reduces your opponent's mafia to 495. This isn't that great, as it is their weakest 5 mafia members no longer being used, but it is an effect that is cumulative over time (FC members already have -X mafia mods, so this could be -7 to -12 opponent's mafia etc). My weakest items are somewhere in the 20s, so if someone used this mod on my my defense would be 5 mafia members * 5 weapons * 20 stats/weapon = 500 points lower. That's really ****ty actually. I don't know what my bottom items are, but even if it subtracted a few thousand from my defense, that's not that big of an impact when we are talking about players with 1mil+ attacks.

Would like to hear from Baldie on this...I could see his worst item being in the 100/100 range...so 5 * 5 * 100 = 2,500for the top guys, it's still a pretty crap item by itself, but I guess it's power is from stacking...like someone said in a year or two, FC could have -50 or -100 mafia to battle, that could become I huge difference maker for them.

murf
08-27-2013, 09:59 AM
For reference, I have stats of 935k/925k and my worst mafia member brings weapons that total 150 / 129.

KillaJackz
08-27-2013, 10:10 AM
After starring hard at this post after it confusing me I realised that the title should be top 10 vs top 1,2,3. The prize you said is the top ten prize not the top 25. lol yeah I just realized I made this mistake.

KillaJackz
08-27-2013, 10:10 AM
I lol'd. Thanks for this :)

Lol I'm a bit on the slow side when it comes to crime city.

STLGORILLA314
08-27-2013, 02:05 PM
The importance of the second place prize is definitely its stack-ability with the previous mafia reduction modifiers. Most people in the top 1-2 syndicates already have decent amount mafia reduction modifiers as well as additional mafia modifiers. It adds up nicely.

Death666
08-27-2013, 02:24 PM
I thought I read on the forum here somewhere that the number 1 spot also gets prizes 2 an 3, for coming in first?

Gingeasian
08-27-2013, 02:29 PM
I thought I read on the forum here somewhere that the number 1 spot also gets prizes 2 an 3, for coming in first?
First Place gets all the prizes. What ever tier you finish in you get all the prizes below it. Ex if you finish top 750 you get the 750, 1000, 1500, and 4000 prizes as well

Beach Head
08-27-2013, 02:36 PM
Nice thread! I wonder how many post do i need to start a thread of my own.

AK-47
08-27-2013, 02:57 PM
Nice thread! I wonder how many post do i need to start a thread of my own.
10 total posts

noamlin
08-27-2013, 03:06 PM
look at it this way:
once you have more than 74,000 attack (which isn't rare) the 3rd prize becomes better then the 4th.
once you are a level 150 (lets say) and you equip 2000 items (and so does your opponent) then the 2nd prize can make quite the difference (will drop 20 items from his arsenal which can cause him to defend with 2,000-20,000 points less!).
and about the 1st prize - for someone like me (whose hourly income sucks) the 1st prize sounds awesome....but i'm sure that the players who win it - don't need it! lol

baptistpreach
08-27-2013, 03:28 PM
For whatever reason they do seem to be trying to keep the top 2 guilds from being unbeatable forever, which in the grand scheme of things is a good thing.

KillaJackz
08-27-2013, 04:29 PM
Wow. Thanks everyone :) big helps!

BigMoney
08-27-2013, 04:35 PM
Would like to hear from Baldie on this...I could see his worst item being in the 100/100 range...so 5 * 5 * 100 = 2,500for the top guys, it's still a pretty crap item by itself, but I guess it's power is from stacking...like someone said in a year or two, FC could have -50 or -100 mafia to battle, that could become I huge difference maker for them.

But again, it's all relative. Even if the -5 mafia modifer takes away 5 mafia * 5 items * 200 stats per weakest item = 5000 points... but if you have stats anywhere close enough to think of hitting bald zeemer, that 5000 is chump change.

noamlin
08-27-2013, 04:41 PM
I could see his worst item being in the 100/100 range...so 5 * 5 * 100 = 2,500for the top guys
if i understood u correctly - u have a mistake:
each mafia member can hold 1 gun/melee, 1 armor, 1 explosive and 1 vehicle -
meaning that decreasing the opponents mob by 5 will decrease 20 weapons in total

(or am i mistaken, and a mob member can carry 1 gun + 1 melee?)

KillaJackz
08-27-2013, 06:15 PM
I believe it's a gun and melee

Chica
08-27-2013, 06:18 PM
These things will end up being capped just like the 66% less upgrade cost. What that cap will be... I guess we will have to wait for fc to get there.

BigMoney
08-27-2013, 08:05 PM
These things will end up being capped just like the 66% less upgrade cost. What that cap will be... I guess we will have to wait for fc to get there.

What? Upgrade modifiers aren't capped, and I believe there are some FCers with larger than -66% off. The modifiers are multiplicative, eg. three 30% off modifiers would be (0.7)^3 = 0.343 which is 65.7% off. Could this be what you are thinking?

Chica
08-27-2013, 08:07 PM
What? Upgrade modifiers aren't capped, and I believe there are some FCers with larger than -66% off. The modifiers are multiplicative, eg. three 30% off modifiers would be (0.7)^3 = 0.343 which is 65.7% off. Could this be what you are thinking?

Yes sir, you got me there. Well if enough of them are available and not capped soon all their upgrades will be free.

murf
08-27-2013, 08:56 PM
look at it this way:
once you have more than 74,000 attack (which isn't rare) the 3rd prize becomes better then the 4th.
once you are a level 150 (lets say) and you equip 2000 items (and so does your opponent) then the 2nd prize can make quite the difference (will drop 20 items from his arsenal which can cause him to defend with 2,000-20,000 points less!).
and about the 1st prize - for someone like me (whose hourly income sucks) the 1st prize sounds awesome....but i'm sure that the players who win it - don't need it! lol

2,000 -20,000 points is insane, did you see what I posted above...

For reference, I have stats of 935k/925k and my worst mafia member brings weapons that total 150 / 129.

So, a 1million stat player loses 750 points for the -5 mafia....and the it's not 3x for the 3million stat player, they mostly just have more 10k items then I do....

murf
08-27-2013, 08:57 PM
But again, it's all relative. Even if the -5 mafia modifer takes away 5 mafia * 5 items * 200 stats per weakest item = 5000 points... but if you have stats anywhere close enough to think of hitting bald zeemer, that 5000 is chump change.

Yeah, I said it was a crap item by itself....it's only value is it's stackable over time...

BigMoney
08-28-2013, 12:52 AM
Yes sir, you got me there. Well if enough of them are available and not capped soon all their upgrades will be free.

Nope. Again, because they are multiplicative, the upgrade cost modifier will never reach 100% (unless there are an infinite number of mods). "30% off upgrades" means you pay 70% of the upgrade cost, i.e. [base upgrade cost] * 0.7 = [discounted upgrade cost]. Having two 30% off multipliers would mean multiplying by 0.7 twice, having a 20% upgrade mod on top of that means multiplying that cost again by 0.8, etc. You can never multiply two nonzero numbers and get zero.

To see this, suppose someone had ten 30% off cost modifiers. (0.7)^10 = 0.0282... = 97.1% off. Twenty 30% off modifiers would be 99.92% off. Even with twenty (20!!!!) 30% off upgrade modifiers, the upcoming LTB would still cost you $18.4 million dollars to take to level 10 (which, admittedly, is quite a bit cheaper than $23.05 billion).

So never will there be free upgrades due to upgrade cost modifiers. :)

Chica
08-28-2013, 01:01 AM
Very true. I wonder how many people are able to complete to 10 on a ltb.

SilentAssassin
08-28-2013, 02:02 AM
During war my stats went up by 200 k in each column. We placed second. Was nice.

The best way to do it is get a team of EQUAL spenders and then go for your prize. Then top 2 sounds a lot better than top 10's that are putting up the same amount, carrying a syndicate, for a lesser prize.


Of course if you are in a top 10 and are allowed to leach.... I guess you win?

SilentAssassin
08-28-2013, 02:12 AM
2,000 -20,000 points is insane, did you see what I posted above...

For reference, I have stats of 935k/925k and my worst mafia member brings weapons that total 150 / 129.

So, a 1million stat player loses 750 points for the -5 mafia....and the it's not 3x for the 3million stat player, they mostly just have more 10k items then I do....

Different players have diff bonuses, your figures should be double. In the end, when everything is added up it still gives SAS a significant advantage over all other players (excluding FC as they get the same advantage cause first place sucks). Add up all the times SAS got second and third place. All of a sudden it all makes sense now doesn't it?

we spend very little for our prizes, SAS only had 7 people at 1 mil ip or over (top scorer was 1.2mil). Those 7 hit a million because they wanted to. Everyone else was roughly around 550-650 k ip. Now I pose the question, how much do top 10 heavy hitters have to spend unwillingly in order to achieve top 10? While SAS cruises second place in comfort with no competition whatsoever. If we wanted to we could have all scored 500 k ip and still got second, but damn do we ever enjoy hitting that attack button.