Make Dragon Nest Useful

[Zyntree]

Does it bug anyone else that the final building in the game is all but worthless. Considering that we have to sleep sometime and are not going to check our game during the 8+ hours while we sleep, the extra gold earned per hour from Dragons Nest vs. Training field is worthless. You will always earn the most gold with Training Fields.

I personally love dragons, and so this misstep by Gree has some personal significance. I keep my dragons, because they are cute and friendly looking, but really, from a gold perspective I should dump them.

I few ideas:
1. Increase the maximum gold able to be collected by dragons by double (4 hours worth instead of 2). This would make them useful for people who check game often, but not so much for those who only log in once or twice a day.

2. Add some feature where once a day for 8 hours, dragons could continue to earn gold for all 8 hours... solving the 'I have to sleep problem'

3. Make buildings do more than just offer Gold. Dragons could have a 1-5% chance (depending on what GREE wanted) to drop a gem. Certain buildings could have a chance to drop armor crafting regeants, epic energy, or arena energy. How cool would it be to have your dragons pop out an epic energy? It would make their higher purchase and upgrade costs much more worth it.

I just want the dragons, as the last and hardest building to buy, have some in game value.
Thoughts?

[forcefed4door]

Weird, mine are called monster nests...

[Sir.]

I don't have exact numbers by hand, but if you're very active and check the game at least every two hours when awake, a 10 hour sleep would still mean you gain more with maxed monster nests than with maxed training fields. Just a lot more effort.

[-Solo-]

No, you would lose ~150k in gold.

From the spreadsheet, 29 nests would be ~828,574 a day. It takes ~2 hours to max at 2500. So..

2500x5 (2 hours to max, 10 hour sleep would mean x5) = 12,500 lost for each nest.
12,500 x 29 = 362,500
828,574 - 362,500 = 466,074.

14 TFs = ~607,058/day.

Correct me if the math is wrong.

[Brutal1977]

Level 2 TF gives 1200/hr or 28,800/day.
Two Level 2 Monster Nests give 1800/hr or 28,800 in 16 hours.

Level 3 TF gives 1800/hr or 43,200/day.
Two Level 3 Monster Nests give 2400/hr or 43,200 in 18 hours.

[Zyntree]

No, you would lose over 150k in gold.
I'm guessing you meant for a castle full of monster nests (thanks for the correction... I suppose I just wanted them to be dragons nests).

Assuming a 10 hour sleep / period of inactivity:
2 lvl 3 monster nests, clicked at least every 2 hours nets 35k in a day (2,500 every 2 hours, times 2 nests)
1 lvl 3 training field clicked optimally nets 48k in a day (24k every 12 hours)

Obviously there is no contest... But lets make the Monster nests better, yea?

[Zyntree]

Level 2 TF gives 1200/hr or 28,800/day.
Two Level 2 Monster Nests give 1800/hr or 28,800 in 16 hours.

Level 3 TF gives 1800/hr or 43,200/day.
Two Level 3 Monster Nests give 2400/hr or 43,200 in 18 hours.

You are correct in looking at an even gold production for an 18 hour period... it's the sleeping that really makes the monster nests not worth it...

[-Solo-]

Assuming a 10 hour sleep / period of inactivity:
2 lvl 3 monster nests, clicked at least every 2 hours nets 35k in a day (2,500 every 2 hours, times 2 nests)
1 lvl 3 training field clicked optimally nets 48k in a day (24k every 12 hours)

Obviously there is no contest... But lets make the Monster nests better, yea?

That's 13k difference favoring TF. That's just for 1/2 an expansion. The math is wonky, but it gets worse when you sleep with monster nests.

Edit: You already added the 10hr sleep so nvm my last statement.

[Cind3r]

Why do you sleep when there is Knights and Dragons to play? :p

[Zyntree]

Guess I missed your post for the math with the 150k -Solo- while I was posting and doing my own math. You are correct tho... about 150k missed. Sad times that the most expensive building in the game is worthless. How do I make a poll? I want to get some input on how to make these buildings better...

[Dagobah]

Why do you sleep when there is Knights and Dragons to play? :p

+1
But I do like the idea of a building that could poop out epic energy or gems.
Even on a timer of 1 gem per day would be great. Or epic energy at 1 per 6 hours!
Then you could tool your castle for gold, gem or energy production!

[ToddWY]

Plus the fact that buildings produce gold at the advertised game rates when you're offline. So while you sleep or are out of the game those TF3's are actually picking up 2000 gold per hour instead of the 1800 gph of the in game rate. Monster Nests also produce at the higher rate when you're out of the game, but that goes against the point of being active and constantly collecting from them.

I like the OPs suggestions of random gem or other drops from Monster Nests, that would be an interesting addition and another reward for the real active players use Nests.

[Daenerys]

How about having some dragons in a game called Knights and Dragons?

I would like to get dragon eggs, either from defeating epic bosses, or from chance chests. They hatch in the Monster Nest, during which time, the nest doesn't produce gold.

The dragons would be single element, and they give you a boost when you ride them into battles wearing an armor that matches the dragon's element.

But please, please don't make the dragons drop dead like the knights :-( When their HP is low, they can just fly away and heal....

I would spend gems for dragon eggs.

[overcire]

someone called daenerys would have an ridiculously cool idea about dragons...

[Eunuchorn]

OP is wrong.

http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s657/TehEunuchorn/null_zpse4c3fa4f.png

[Marco_]

I few ideas:
1. Increase the maximum gold able to be collected by dragons by double (4 hours worth instead of 2). This would make them useful for people who check game often, but not so much for those who only log in once or twice a day.

Nah, "log in once or twice a day" isn't really supported: craft times jump from a base time of 2 hours to a base time of 24 hours, epic energy maxes in 5 hours. logging in less than something like 5+ times per day I guess is only feasable for people brute forcing it by buying lots of gems...

[Zyntree]

OP is wrong.

http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s657/TehEunuchorn/null_zpse4c3fa4f.png

How do you justify this against the math we provided on the first page? Seems like you would loose a lot of gold while sleeping to me...

and +1 on dragon eggs! Lets hatch them in the Monster nest. I want to ride a dragon into battle! hah.

[ddaddy2420]

OP is wrong.

http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s657/TehEunuchorn/null_zpse4c3fa4f.png

Dude how much money do you spend on this game? Wow.

[Marco_]

Dude how much money do you spend on this game? Wow.
I think he once mentioned $10000...

[Replicatorz]

You may want to dismiss a couple of your guild messages.

[Sir.]

You may want to dismiss a couple of your guild messages.

You have no idea how fast they reappear.

[Rended]

I love the idea of a 1-5% chance of a dragon nest dropping a gem (when collected at max)

+1 OP!

[madfighters]

It is a good idea but unlikely to be implemented

[BobSaget1]

I agree, needs to be better. I don't have any, just all TF's

[Sifu]

I agree, needs to be better. I don't have any, just all TF's

Because of the Chance Chest, you will have a single spot that can't be filled with a TF. A Dragon Nest is the best for that spot.

[BobSaget1]

Because of the Chance Chest, you will have a single spot that can't be filled with a TF. A Dragon Nest is the best for that spot.

I kind of forget that I have that 1 dragon nest in the corner of my kingdom

[Eunuchorn]

How do you justify this against the math we provided on the first page? Seems like you would loose a lot of gold while sleeping to me...

Why do you sleep when there is Knights and Dragons to play? :p

What is sleep? & I don't need to justify anything especially math. I wish I still had my screencapture app; I would have made a video of me deleting my 15 lvl.3 TFs. Or the time before that when I deleted 6 of my 7 lvl.3 armories

[Nicco]

I love the idea of a 1-5% chance of a dragon nest dropping a gem (when collected at max)

+1 OP!

4% chance of fusion stone 2% chance of a silver key, and a 1% chance of a gem. Let's do it.

[Sakino]

What is sleep? & I don't need to justify anything especially math. I wish I still had my screencapture app; I would have made a video of me deleting my 15 lvl.3 TFs. Or the time before that when I deleted 6 of my 7 lvl.3 armories
I dont think you are sleeping to much, by the in game results you are having. You are the best player in the game, how many gems do you think you have spent? Only to quantify and get and idea of the price of reaching your god-in-earth mode.

[Eunuchorn]

I'm too scared to print & compile all my iTunes purchase history lol

[Eunuchorn]

I posted this in a diff thread a few weeks ago:

-A collect all button or "20Gems/12hr of auto collect". This would slowly milk ppl using TFs, & really milk people like me

-The swap function is terrible; it has no critical thinking skills. When we go to move an object, just have a blank UI pop up that you can drop them into. Call it a warehouse, make it cost gems & permanently store X amount of buildings. I've destroyed well over 500 gems worth of buildings in my time playing this game. I could also then switch out TFs for Nests depending on my schedule

[Nicco]

I posted this in a diff thread a few weeks ago:

-A collect all button or "20Gems/12hr of auto collect". This would slowly milk ppl using TFs, & really milk people like me

-The swap function is terrible; it has no critical thinking skills. When we go to move an object, just have a blank UI pop up that you can drop them into. Call it a warehouse, make it cost gems & permanently store X amount of buildings. I've destroyed well over 500 gems worth of buildings in my time playing this game. I could also then switch out TFs for Nests depending on my schedule

+1

That would also allow players to complete the building quests without all the headaches.

[Tachycardia]

I'm too scared to print & compile all my iTunes purchase history lol

I did, and I wouldn't advise it.

I should get the next ipad version named after me at this point

[Daenerys]

someone called daenerys would have an ridiculously cool idea about dragons...

:D Glad to see another GoT fan :D

[Sakino]

I posted this in a diff thread a few weeks ago:

-A collect all button or "20Gems/12hr of auto collect". This would slowly milk ppl using TFs, & really milk people like me

-The swap function is terrible; it has no critical thinking skills. When we go to move an object, just have a blank UI pop up that you can drop them into. Call it a warehouse, make it cost gems & permanently store X amount of buildings. I've destroyed well over 500 gems worth of buildings in my time playing this game. I could also then switch out TFs for Nests depending on my schedulei love those ideas. Want a place to store oblivious inactives buldings. The uses are pratically endless. Place training fields at night, get more armories when you need to craft for events like the ancient dragons, and straight this way. A week of autocollet for some 100' of gems will be ok, not more pricey.

[Moritsume]

Correct me if I'm wrong but this latest update seems to have buffed Monster Nests. They now give 800 gold/hr base and cap at 3200. I'm not sure what the upgraded values are but this is a nice buff it seems. It probably puts them pretty far ahead of training fields now...which makes me regret my 8 level 3 tfs >_>.

Edit: Would this make level 2 Monster Nests better than level 3 training fields? And what do you think the chances of GREE refunding gems spent on training fields the day before they buffed Monster Nests would be? I'm thinking 0 but it might be worth a shot ;_;

[-Solo-]

Correct me if I'm wrong but this latest update seems to have buffed Monster Nests. They now give 800 gold/hr base and cap at 3200. I'm not sure what the upgraded values are but this is a nice buff it seems. It probably puts them pretty far ahead of training fields now...which makes me regret my 8 level 3 tfs >_>.

Edit: Would this make level 2 Monster Nests better than level 3 training fields? And what do you think the chances of GREE refunding gems spent on training fields the day before they buffed Monster Nests would be? I'm thinking 0 but it might be worth a shot ;_;

I haven't seen the rate, but if it's 800/hr and cap at 3200, it's a nerf to gold/hour and a buff at capacity. It's a nerf overall. Old values were 1200/hr and max in 2.1 hr. Not only do you get less gold per hour, you get less gold per day.

You're completely wrong.

Edit: Also, the cap is not 3200. Maybe 3600? That would still make it a nerf.

[deathexe]

I haven't seen the rate, but if it's 800/hr and cap at 3200, it's a nerf to gold/hour and a buff at capacity. It's a nerf overall. Old values were 1200/hr and max in 2.1 hr. Not only do you get less gold per hour, you get less gold per day.

You're completely wrong.

Edit: Also, the cap is not 3200. Maybe 3600? That would still make it a nerf.

He was referring to a level 1 monster nest, not a level 3. He just stated what was stated in game in the purchase screen.

Level 2 monster nest does 900 gold per hour by the way.

[-Solo-]

What about lv3?

Edit: So I got word it's 5500. If that's true, I'm assuming a change to 1100/hr, maxing at 5 hours to 5500. That would make it a nerf by 60,000 potentially per day...but since you don't have to check every 2 hours now, it's a small buff to nests. Of course, this is if I'm using the right values.

Though if the costs is still 40 gems, it's debatable if you think it's worth it.

[Zyntree]

Wow... Did GREE actually listen? Probably not... but I'd sure like to think so :). Too bad they didn't actually make the nests any more valuable, although the bump was pretty nice. The math goes as follows.

A lvl 3 Dragons nest maxes out at 5500 every 4 hours
that's 1375/hr
Considering 8 hours of sleep (not 10) a single nest will net 22000 a day
2 nests will net 44000 a day...
a Training field will net 48000 a day.

Glad you made the nests better, but they still aren't as good as training fields...
Now if they would only drop arena area, epic area, armor parts, potions, or something :)

[Zyntree]

Correct me if I'm wrong but this latest update seems to have buffed Monster Nests. They now give 800 gold/hr base and cap at 3200. I'm not sure what the upgraded values are but this is a nice buff it seems. It probably puts them pretty far ahead of training fields now...which makes me regret my 8 level 3 tfs >_>.

Edit: Would this make level 2 Monster Nests better than level 3 training fields? And what do you think the chances of GREE refunding gems spent on training fields the day before they buffed Monster Nests would be? I'm thinking 0 but it might be worth a shot ;_; Looks like you won't be needing that refund

[ToddWY]

Wow... Did GREE actually listen? Probably not... but I'd sure like to think so :). Too bad they didn't actually make the nests any more valuable, although the bump was pretty nice. The math goes as follows.

A lvl 3 Dragons nest maxes out at 5500 every 4 hours
that's 1375/hr
Considering 8 hours of sleep (not 10) a single nest will net 22000 a day
2 nests will net 44000 a day...
a Training field will net 48000 a day.

Glad you made the nests better, but they still aren't as good as training fields...
Now if they would only drop arena area, epic area, armor parts, potions, or something :)

Actually I believe this does boost Nests over TF, even if you do want to sleep 8 hours. You'll collect from the nests just before sleep, so they'll continue to fill for 4 hours of that 8 hours you're asleep.

2 nests @ 1375/hr can generate 55000 Gold per day. That's assuming 8 hours sleep with collection right before sleep. many of us don't get that and could gain slightly more gold.

You also need to be aware that gold accrues differently if you're playing the game or logged out, so nests take a bit more work if you're really trying to maximize gold production.

[Eunuchorn]

http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s657/TehEunuchorn/null_zps43cb4153.png

Still can't decide if I feel nerfed or not lol

[Lord Of The Infernal]

New update for nest COOL!!

So now i have 12 TF all level 2 and 1 Nest level 3 i am thinking about changing all to nest level 2?

Yes or No?

[Zyntree]

Actually I believe this does boost Nests over TF, even if you do want to sleep 8 hours. You'll collect from the nests just before sleep, so they'll continue to fill for 4 hours of that 8 hours you're asleep.

2 nests @ 1375/hr can generate 55000 Gold per day. That's assuming 8 hours sleep with collection right before sleep. many of us don't get that and could gain slightly more gold.

You also need to be aware that gold accrues differently if you're playing the game or logged out, so nests take a bit more work if you're really trying to maximize gold production.

Good point about collecting right before sleep... I hadn't thought about that. Thanks for the correction. In that case, the Nests do accrue more gold per day, assuming villigance! Yay :). I did not know that gold accrued differently when logged on as opposed to not. How so? Evidence?

[Unresolved]

First time I've heard of gold accruing differently. And I've read everything around here :p.

[Marco_]

First time I've heard of gold accruing differently. And I've read everything around here :p.
game closed: Gree listed gold rates
game open: seems to be at whole second ticks with TF3 at 1 gold per 2 seconds.
AKA: close your game for slightly faster gold generation.

[Unresolved]

game closed: Gree listed gold rates
game open: seems to be at whole second ticks with TF3 at 1 gold per 2 seconds.
AKA: close your game for slightly faster gold generation.

Doesn't match the 30 minute and 60 minute samples I've run(limited amount). I found an average of 1960 gold/hr from a TF. My guildmate came to the same conclusion as me.

[Cind3r]

Here is the math for Level 3 buildings occupying 2 slot space vs time:

Training Field @1800/h:
In 4 hours = 7200 Gold
In 8 hours = 14400 Gold
So while sleeping for 8 hours = 14400 Gold (While sleeping this will NOT max out)

Monster Nest @1375/h (x2=2750):
In 4 hours = 11000 Gold (MAXED)
In 8 hours = 22000 Gold (must be collected in 4 hours to reach this number)
So while sleeping for 8 hours = 11000 Gold (While sleeping this WILL max out)

Conclusion:
While sleeping training fields will net you 3400 MORE gold than 2x Nests HOWEVER this will pay for it self over the next 4 hours as 2x nests will net you 3800 more gold than the training fields thus giving you 16 hours of bonus gold production PROVIDED you log in sooner than every 4 hours.

[Unresolved]

I took one data sample(yes, I know, only one for now) and got 1192 gold per hour. I would say the deviation is no larger than +-15 gold. Lower than I expected really. The game was on if you care.