snakeskin farming

[mikev]

do I go for elite or just do normal?

[Lotak]

I do 1st stage. has 65% drop rate.
Some do Epic though.

[mikev]

ops srry I mean epic stage, ty doing normal stage but keep getting the rock slab

[Tianna]

I usually do either Normal, Valor or Epic, and it depends on how much time I have to play and the health of my knights (and maybe sometimes my mood :)).

If my knights are all beat up from battling greater things and I have a bunch of time still to play, I will do Normal - that way I can get many more runs in, and overall I think my chance of snakeskins is greater.

If I am short on time I will run Epic, so that the runs I manage have the greatest chance of being useful.

If I get frustrated by getting lots of slabs on Normal, or I am running out of time, I may bump it up to Valor or even Epic for those last few runs.

I don't think there is one right answer :)

Tianna

[AutoGun]

I have farmed the normal version for the longest time and always got a ton more snakeskin then slabs so for me it means doing it longer then epic version but that is just me.

[Replicatorz]

I farm on epic. LvL 58 and can usually make 2.5 to 3 rounds per knight. I almost never get a stone slab on epic.

[TrinityK]

I always farm on epic nowadays . rarely get stone slabs. and i cant stand farming snakeskin on normal for so long

[Unresolved]

I do epic. Takes forever to run out of hp on my main knights anyways. 2 hours if I concentrate, more if I don't x-x.

[madfighters]

It is also to do with killing the last mob with a special attack

[drhawk]

I usually do Normal since I can complete it faster than Epic (less monsters). Yes the drop rate is better on Epic, but I can defeat more Normal bosses in the same time frame to increase my odds. Worst case scenario I get tons of stone slabs and shards. Both can be crafted into Snakeskin alternative.

[ZERO_07]

Do Epic, you're just wasting time and HP farming lower levels.

[-Solo-]

Normal or Mighty is better. You can use your other knights for exp and level purposes, then use your remaining knight/hp for snakeskin farming. You will get more runs, a higher chance at stab, but you will get more snakes in the end since you can do way more runs.

Though, it varies based on your armor you're using and the difference in damage you take in normal vs epic...even then, normal is better. When your armor gets strong enough, each normal run takes 10~ hp.

[Unresolved]

Normal or Mighty is better. You can use your other knights for exp and level purposes, then use your remaining knight/hp for snakeskin farming. You will get more runs, a higher chance at stab, but you will get more snakes in the end since you can do way more runs.

Though, it varies based on your armor you're using and the difference in damage you take in normal vs epic...even then, normal is better. When your armor gets strong enough, each normal run takes 10~ hp.

You're not taking hp regen into account. If you take 2 hours to do a full epic run and 4 hours to do a full normal run(assuming you take exactly twice as much damage in epic), you'd be missing out on 1080 additional hp(1 hour of regen, 1 hour of farming). And most people don't really want to farm all day because it's tedious.

[Sakino]

Nope. While in stages, all knight hp dont regen you can regen less than 20 hp the little times you have betwen a stage and another.

[Unresolved]

Nope. While in stages, all knight hp dont regen you can regen less than 20 hp the little times you have betwen a stage and another.

If this is directed at me, I was speaking of the 2 hour difference between normal and epic. You're not fighting in that time.

[Lotak]

You're not taking hp regen into account. If you take 2 hours to do a full epic run and 4 hours to do a full normal run(assuming you take exactly twice as much damage in epic), you'd be missing out on 1080 additional hp(1 hour of regen, 1 hour of farming). And most people don't really want to farm all day because it's tedious.

Not true.
None of your knights regenerate during battle, whether they are present or not. If you spend (say) 55 minutes / hour in battle, your knights will only heal 15 hp in the hour. NOT 180.

[Unresolved]

Not true.
None of your knights regenerate during battle, whether they are present or not. If you spend (say) 55 minutes / hour in battle, your knights will only heal 15 hp in the hour. NOT 180.

Again. 2 hours of fighting brings knights to zero HP. 1 hour of regen brings them to 180. 1 hour of fighting brings them to zero. I don't get why this is so complicated.

[-Solo-]

I actually did take it into account as I said you can use your other knights for XP/level purposes. I only use 2 knights to snake farm while I use the other 4 knights to mat farm epic KoD for future fusions.

If we're talking purely snakeskin with all 6 knights, there's no way you only take 2x damage in epic as you do normal. I tested 2 runs with Guardians and I took 26 hp damage each run (tho damage by skeletons varies by 1 or 2..even without crit). It also doesn't take 2 hours to do a full epic run with all 6 knights if you don't get distracted and/or take a break.

[Unresolved]

I actually did take it into account as I said you can use your other knights for XP/level purposes. I only use 2 knights to snake farm while I use the other 4 knights to mat farm epic KoD for future fusions.

If we're talking purely snakeskin with all 6 knights, there's no way you only take 2x damage in epic as you do normal. I tested 2 runs with Guardians and I took 26 hp damage each run (tho damage by skeletons varies by 1 or 2..even without crit). It also doesn't take 2 hours to do a full epic run with all 6 knights if you don't get distracted and/or take a break.

I can do around 1 run per 60-75 seconds. I take around 35 damage per run. That equates to 80 minutes of farming. I don't have great concentration while farming, so it takes me 1.5 hours at best. 2 hours is probably my average. And past 100, leveling doesn't matter at all unless in guild wars.

[Barbanium]

I'm doing Epic, too. At higher levels, the damage from Skeletons Tomb Epic and Normal monsters will be the same
(normal - 1 and crit 2 & boss - 3 and crit 4). Just equip your W+S, W+E or E+S with highest defence and you'll be good. :)

[EljayK]

I would never do normal at the point I'm at. It takes 2 hours for my main knight to get to 0hp farming epic. That is simply too much time to do the same thing over....and over...and over...and over...

However; if you're not level 100 with a max legendary+, the one you do is entirely dependent on your ability to continue going.

I know it doesn't really seem like it, but the increase in damage between normal and epic is quite large that early in the game. If you can run normal 20 times before all your knights are too low on hp to keep going, then you'll only survive epic probably 7 times. Your chances (at 65%) of getting more snakeskins lies in normal, in this case. However, once your hp usage is negligible because your time constraints are lower than the time it takes to run out of hp, do epic.

The first time you run normal and get stone slabs 7 times in a row, you'll start running epic, and you'll keep running epic. grrrr.

[drhawk]

@Unresolved and @EljayK. Kudos for doing 2 hours of full on snakeskin farming. I usually get bored after 1/2 hour :eek: This is probably where disconnect lies. Since I am only willing to spend 1/2 hours doing it over and over, I need to maximize the number of Gorgons I KO in that amount of time; thus normal stage

[Unresolved]

@Unresolved and @EljayK. Kudos for doing 2 hours of full on snakeskin farming. I usually get bored after 1/2 hour :eek: This is probably where disconnect lies. Since I am only willing to spend 1/2 hours doing it over and over, I need to maximize the number of Gorgons I KO in that amount of time; thus normal stage

You're doing 30 minutes in an area where the drop % for snakes is lower. If you're going to limit yourself to 30 minutes, it'd be more advantageous to do epic rather than normal. The benefits of normal really only apply when you don't have maxed legendaries/epics and you're using all your HP.

[Sifu]

You're doing 30 minutes in an area where the drop % for snakes is lower. If you're going to limit yourself to 30 minutes, it'd be more advantageous to do epic rather than normal. The benefits of normal really only apply when you don't have maxed legendaries/epics and you're using all your HP.

^ This.

The lower stages don't actually run faster unless your knights are really low level and don't one shot minions at higher levels. At most, epic will have one or two extra minions usually so you get the same number of runs per hour. The difference in lower difficulties is the number of runs per HP. That doesn't matter unless you are burning all your HP, which even for me at level 58 now takes a LONG time on normal.

[Erin's pride]

If u keep hammering away at epic medusa she stops dropping slabs entirely. Well worth it. @if Ur Chars are lvl70 . Fusion Stones Saldos Drop with Medusa however. Much more Common with Stone slab epic!!

[Erin's pride]

do I go for elite or just do normal?I go for Valor or above. Did normal for 50 odd levels but the drop rate sucked : 65 percentValor >85!!!Good luck

[drhawk]

You're doing 30 minutes in an area where the drop % for snakes is lower. If you're going to limit yourself to 30 minutes, it'd be more advantageous to do epic rather than normal. The benefits of normal really only apply when you don't have maxed legendaries/epics and you're using all your HP.

^ This.
The lower stages don't actually run faster unless your knights are really low level and don't one shot minions at higher levels. At most, epic will have one or two extra minions usually so you get the same number of runs per hour. The difference in lower difficulties is the number of runs per HP. That doesn't matter unless you are burning all your HP, which even for me at level 58 now takes a LONG time on normal.


I know there is only 2-6 minions difference between Normal and Epic but in 30 minutes somehow I can KO more Gorgons in Normal. Perhaps this is because I am so used to normal and lose my rhythm when doing Epic ;)

[mikev]

ty all for the response, but one more thing, should I use + armor for enhancing or regular?

[Unresolved]

ty all for the response, but one more thing, should I use + armor for enhancing or regular?

Doesn't make a difference.

[Bryanv2]

I do it on Epic always, no reason not to tbh. At least once you're at a certain level.

It does get tiresome. I usually just hope for fusion stars tbh lol so I can 50ep fusion

[-Solo-]

If u keep hammering away at epic medusa she stops dropping slabs entirely.

No, she doesn't.

[Sakino]

Some useless thing i am writing here for fun...
The epic stage of skeleton tomb is formed by four wawes of minions.
The stage 1 is a combination of 2 statues and a ghost, or viceversa.
The stage 2 is the same as above Or three skeletons and a statue.
The stage 3 is the same as stage 2
The stage 3 have(everytime in that order) a statue, a ghost and the gorgon warmistress.

Said that, a time you get a maxed legendary plus, like mine assassin shroud, minions will hit you only 1 and you will oneshot them. What can you lose, 2 second for three, four minions more to kill? But you will get more snakeskins, more fusion stones(got two on a full main knight hp run) and lots of keys (got none today, but 3 yesterday. Those have some odds of giving Gems or other fusion stones)

So as said above, epic stage of skeleton tomb is the optimal stage for farming snakeskins.

[Lotak]

Again. 2 hours of fighting brings knights to zero HP. 1 hour of regen brings them to 180. 1 hour of fighting brings them to zero. I don't get why this is so complicated.

Apologies, I misread what you typed.

[Sakino]

Apologies, I misread what you typed.
Apologies from me too, same as above.

[Lotak]

Apologies from me too, same as above.

I've actually started doing Epic Stage. Got a 94% success rate so far, but need to do more runs before I can get a reasonable estimate on the "true" drop rate.
From 100 runs in normal, the drop rate was around 66%, so 2 in 3. If Epic can stay above 90%, then it would definitely be more worthwhile to do epic.
The only downside to epic is that it will accordingly reduced the number of keys / fusion stones dropped, if they drop at the same rate as in normal stage.

I'm up to 41 runs in Epic and have 40 snakeskin drops (97.5% drop rate) with 2 fusion stones.

Not bad!

[Unresolved]

Ah yeah, I was cranky yesterday when I typed that up. Pretty sure I woke up on the wrong side of the bed. Cheers guys :)

[Sakino]

I've actually started doing Epic Stage. Got a 94% success rate so far, but need to do more runs before I can get a reasonable estimate on the "true" drop rate.
From 100 runs in normal, the drop rate was around 66%, so 2 in 3. If Epic can stay above 90%, then it would definitely be more worthwhile to do epic.
The only downside to epic is that it will accordingly reduced the number of keys / fusion stones dropped, if they drop at the same rate as in normal stage.

I'm up to 41 runs in Epic and have 40 snakeskin drops (97.5% drop rate) with 2 fusion stones.

Not bad!
Epic is worth even for fusion stones. You get one from 100 if you are lucky in normal, while i stocked up four and three keys by doing the same on epic.

[NinjaMaster]

I do it on Epic always, no reason not to tbh. At least once you're at a certain level.

It does get tiresome. I usually just hope for fusion stars tbh lol so I can 50ep fusion

Hi all,

I do epic too as I see the drop of snakeskins better at this stage than normal..with the added bonus of fusion stars :)

Bryan, I am new to this, what do you mean you can use fusion stars?? please explain.. i have 18 atm and do not know what to do with them.

I am on level 62 and maxed aa+ and HH+, ca+ is 32 and LF = 25

Nearly there but if i can craft the bigger 4 ( or use fusion stars ) please let me know :)

[Sakino]

Hi all,

I do epic too as I see the drop of snakeskins better at this stage than normal..with the added bonus of fusion stars :)

Bryan, I am new to this, what do you mean you can use fusion stars?? please explain.. i have 18 atm and do not know what to do with them.

I am on level 62 and maxed aa+ and HH+, ca+ is 32 and LF = 25

Nearly there but if i can craft the bigger 4 ( or use fusion stars ) please let me know :)
Fusion stones are used in the armorsmith by combining two armor sets into another, hoping to get a better one. The only useful combines are three star story armors thogether, that may give you a legendary or an epic, (MAY), and four star boss non plus armors to give out legendaries whit high odds. Anithing 2 star and below will give you crap. Or you can fuse basics thogheter to get 50 ep armors, like flamestorm finery, wawecharmer mantle...

[Lotak]

So I did 100 rounds of Epic stage and got 89 snakeskins, 3 stones and 1 key.
100 rounds at normal stage gave me 66 snakeskins, 2 stones and 3 keys.

[Paladineguru]

Why do you guys farm snakeskins, its much faster to build basics and enchance matching mono to = snakeskin so in much less crafting time

[deathexe]

Why do you guys farm snakeskins, its much faster to build basics and enchance matching mono to = snakeskin so in much less crafting time

Of course it provides more EP in a given time period. However, the whole reason of going for snakeskin is because of the cost of enhancing. When the enhancement costs starts hitting 40k per four enhancements, you'll be paying 80k for every 80EP. That's going to take a chunk out of your total gold.

[Paladineguru]

Why do you guys farm snakeskins, its much faster to build basics and enchance matching mono to = snakeskin so in much less crafting time

Mono matching =10 ep cost 500 build time 28 min for me

Basic matching = 6 ep build time 5 min

With two armorsmiths

In two hours that's 4 matching monos from one

And 24 basics from the other

I don't have the math on hand but if you stick to matching on everything involved its still faster and cheaper
Than snakes and more so with 3 Smith's and t3 training fields

[Paladineguru]

It takes SO much less time to make a seafoam enhance it to 15 then use it

Leveled armor counts as 1 ep per level and subtract 1 because armor starts at one not 0

So a seafoam at 15 = 24 ep in half the time of a snakeskin for the same ep

[deathexe]

Mono matching =10 ep cost 500 build time 28 min for me

Basic matching = 6 ep build time 5 min

With two armorsmiths

In two hours that's 4 matching monos from one

And 24 basics from the other

I don't have the math on hand but if you stick to matching on everything involved its still faster and cheaper
Than snakes and more so with 3 Smith's and t3 training fields

You're neglecting the fact that there's also the enhancement cost involved, and using your method, you're required to come back to the game every 5 minutes also, which is a hassle (one of the main reasons why snakeskins is preferred too)

[Paladineguru]

If you have three smiths, test it.
Start a snakeskin crafting as your two hour timer in one.
Build a stonescale plate armor and enough basics to level it to 15
In the other two .

Read timer on snakeskin when finished with stonescale. Lvl 15

[deathexe]

If you have three smiths, test it.
Start a snakeskin crafting as your two hour timer in one.
Build a stonescale plate armor and enough basics to level it to 15
In the other two .

Read timer on snakeskin when finished with stonescale. Lvl 15

You'll need 12 basics (72EP), to get a mono to level 15. So if we start of with crafting 4 monos, that would be 30 minutes. After that, you would need 48 basics to get the armors to 15. That would mean you'd need 60 minutes to craft it all, just to get those monos to have the same EP as a snakeskin. So 1 hour 30 minutes altogether, and you'll have to be there every 5 minutes. Doesn't seem particularly effective.

If you really want to use monos, you should consider using level 11 monos instead. If I recall correctly, it's just as good or slightly better than using snakeskins, apart from the attention required to the game to make it.

[Sir.]

You'll need 12 basics (72EP), to get a mono to level 15. So if we start of with crafting 4 monos, that would be 30 minutes. After that, you would need 48 basics to get the armors to 15. That would mean you'd need 60 minutes to craft it all, just to get those monos to have the same EP as a snakeskin. So 1 hour 30 minutes altogether, and you'll have to be there every 5 minutes. Doesn't seem particularly effective.

If you really want to use monos, you should consider using level 11 monos instead. If I recall correctly, it's just as good or slightly better than using snakeskins, apart from the attention required to the game to make it.

Cheaper but only 20 ep. Lot more effort involved and especially at lower levels just a waste of ep imo. Level 35+ when the armor you're training doesn't have a water/earth element it might be an idea, but takes out a fair bit of farming time, so I wouldn't suggest it. (the lvl 11 mono's, that is)

[Lotak]

Why do you guys farm snakeskins, its much faster to build basics and enchance matching mono to = snakeskin so in much less crafting time

Snakeskin farming will always be cheaper / ep than farming monos or enhancing monos with basics, but will obviously take much longer.

For 1 and 2 star items, snakeskin farming is the cheapest route in all cases (i.e. matching or non).
For 3 and 4 star items, snakeskin farming is the cheapest route up to ~ level 50 for non matching and ~ level 60 for matching. After this, the cheapest route is matching fusion armours.

If gold is not an issue, then its far better to do mono's with / without enhancing with basics.

[NinjaMaster]

Hi all,
Is there anywhere that the drop rate percentage is listed anywhere?
Just want to see the drop rates between stages.

[Marco_]

Hi all,
Is there anywhere that the drop rate percentage is listed anywhere?
Just want to see the drop rates between stages.
- requires hundreds of runs to be able to say something reasonable (someone posted results of about a 100 runs normal and epic a page back)
- could perhaps be diffent between iOS and Android
- Gree could tweak drop numbers a bit at any patch and we'd be no wiser about it except by constantly noting down results of hundreds of runs each week, which would add one more grind to all the grinding already in the game... :(

[Lotak]

Hi all,
Is there anywhere that the drop rate percentage is listed anywhere?
Just want to see the drop rates between stages.

From my anecdotal evidence, I did 100 runs in Normal and 200 runs in Epic.
Drop rates:
Normal - 65%
Epic - 89-90%

Because drop rates for fusion stones and keys are so low, its not possible to give a drop rate for these items with just 100 and 200 runs.

[Marco_]

From my anecdotal evidence, I did 100 runs in Normal and 200 runs in Epic.
Drop rates:
Normal - 65%
Epic - 89-90%

And since NinjaMaster doesn't list his code or platform, we don't know if that's useful info to him/her at all. ;)
(there was another recent topic on Snakeskin about a patch on iOS that lowered Snakskin drop rate and upped fusion stone and key drop rates. Supposedly that patch hasn't hit Android yet...)

[Lotak]

And since NinjaMaster doesn't list his code or platform, we don't know if that's useful info to him/her at all. ;)
(there was another recent topic on Snakeskin about a patch on iOS that lowered Snakskin drop rate and upped fusion stone and key drop rates. Supposedly that patch hasn't hit Android yet...)

That b&****d!

If a new patch reduces Snakeskin drops that has not been patched in yet, I better get farming for more Snakeskins.
That being said, I've finished SS+ and AoIL+, so the only other farmable decent item, DPRA, is non-matching!

[BobSaget1]

Snakeskin farming is such a pain, takes me the time it makes to make 1 before I run out of people to run it

[-Solo-]

Usually the case when you're level 22 and have crappy armor...

[dd_knights]

He's level 74 and what do you know about his armor?

[BobSaget1]

My guilds level 22... my bad if that wasn't clear -.-.

[dd_knights]

It was clear to everyone that can read.

[-Solo-]

Your need for attention is quite amusing, dd_knight. I think someone's in need of another punishment.

But anyway, that's my mistake. Go to normal if you can't handle epic.

[Paladineguru]

You're neglecting the fact that there's also the enhancement cost involved, and using your method, you're required to come back to the game every 5 minutes also, which is a hassle (one of the main reasons why snakeskins is preferred too)

Dude...you leave the game?????

[NinjaMaster]

And since NinjaMaster doesn't list his code or platform, we don't know if that's useful info to him/her at all. ;)
(there was another recent topic on Snakeskin about a patch on iOS that lowered Snakskin drop rate and upped fusion stone and key drop rates. Supposedly that patch hasn't hit Android yet...)

Sorry, quite new to the game and newer to the forum. Not been able to put details on as admin has not activated avatar, signatures etc...
I am on iOS and my code is XBF-FBR-CNV.
Maxed all big 4, waiting for ss to be crafted, using sky guardian instead of roc.
Have 4 armories, 8 training grounds and saving up for last expansion.

Have the following armors which I have been told not as good as the bigger 4:-
Assassin's shroud, spectal captains uniform, aegis of the fallen, leviathan's platemail.

Hope this helps

[TealC]

How long do you guys farm snakeskins for? I farm for like 10 minutes and then I get too bored.. (Reason why so many of my armors aren't leveled either..)

[Brutal1977]

Sorry, quite new to the game and newer to the forum. Not been able to put details on as admin has not activated avatar, signatures etc...

You should be able to set them. At the top of the page, go to Forum Actions then General Settings. Avatar and siggy can be set using links on the left. It's in a really weird spot compared to other forums.

[blackheart5]

I get bored of doing the snakeskins but its the best way of leveling possible its either that or blow gems on dpc

[NinjaMaster]

You should be able to set them. At the top of the page, go to Forum Actions then General Settings. Avatar and siggy can be set using links on the left. It's in a really weird spot compared to other forums.

Hope this works :)