Defense Buildings and Defense Building Bonus

[SPARKS]

So I was just wondering how big of an affect defense buildings really have. Are they a waste of time and money to build and upgrade. I've been playing over a year and don't really see a difference when I have a ton of them or don't have any. Just curious if anyone has any more info on this topic. Any replies would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

SPARKS

[DaBoss!]

The only reason I build them is to fit in with my decorations, but of course no one can see my decorations

[Fl@sh]

The defense buildings add to you overall defense. So, if you have zero allies, you will still have a defensive rating that reflects your defensive buildings total combined defense.

[13 BRAVO]

I wouldn't mind if everyone who is not in my faction got rid of the defense buildings. The composite building is a must have in my opinion, not sure about the others. Placement is the key to them helping.

[Sgt Squirrel]

Bravo, how is the placement of defensive buildings key? Your total defense doesn't go up any more. Does it really help all that much against Raids? My experience shows that it doesn't make much of a difference.

[13 BRAVO]

The placemnet of defensive buildings "sam's, rail guns, etc." is key if you are trying to protect your big output buildings. It does not matter where you place your composite factory or the unit buildings that boost the overall attack of the group. I love bases that have all of there defensive buildings at one end of the base all nice and pretty and the million dollar building is on the other side of the base.

[13 BRAVO]

I also reserve the right to get smarter if I am not correct, just a view of my experiance in the middle factions. The buildings may not make a bit of differance with people that have mega stats.

[S&H Max]

for low stats and low allies coutn def building can make a huge difference, but for 1mil def and more with you 500 allies the 75 added with the rail gun isnt a big difference.

Still at a certain point you have a lot more money so expanding once more to put 4 rail guns isnt a big expense, better to have that 300 def more than not have it. Also if they are upgraded to a certan point they should probably give a better boost so while saving better to upgrade those than do nothing (I still think you shouldnt upgrade any of them before alll your boost buildings are at 10 and you unit building are upgrade as far as you need them!)

[Meta Rage Trollbot]

The placemnet of defensive buildings "sam's, rail guns, etc." is key if you are trying to protect your big output buildings. It does not matter where you place your composite factory or the unit buildings that boost the overall attack of the group. I love bases that have all of there defensive buildings at one end of the base all nice and pretty and the million dollar building is on the other side of the base.

The "old timers" basically agree that defensive building placement doesn't make a difference regarding raids (see Fl@sh's comment above). They just add to your over-all defense. That "circle of protection" that highlights is just smoke and mirrors.

[Jody13]

I can't see that they make too much of a difference.

[SevenO9]

The placemnet of defensive buildings "sam's, rail guns, etc." is key if you are trying to protect your big output buildings. It does not matter where you place your composite factory or the unit buildings that boost the overall attack of the group. I love bases that have all of there defensive buildings at one end of the base all nice and pretty and the million dollar building is on the other side of the base.

You want to build them arround your composite and other boost builds if anything. But I agree that placement is irrelevant. Mine is one of thoses bases you love.

Lets try some napkin math. The unboosted def of all my combined def buildings is roughly 1,100. Thats 2,300 boosted. If I could arrange them in a way that all overlap on a single square or building(impossible), that particular building would get an additional 2,300 def on top of my 970k. See my point?

[keeskiller]

You want to build them arround your composite and other boost builds if anything. But I agree that placement is irrelevant. Mine is one of thoses bases you love.

Lets try some napkin math. The unboosted def of all my combined def buildings is roughly 1,100. Thats 2,300 boosted. If I could arrange them in a way that all overlap on a single square or building(impossible), that particular building would get an additional 2,300 def on top of my 970k. See my point?

well that makes sence.. i just have them because i want to build 125 buildings.. got them sorted at the end of the base.. don't care about my top buildings, i will collect them on time (mostly xD)

[13Stalker]

It's my understanding that the "blue circle" is the range of the boost. Only buildings inside the circle benefit from the added def from the def buildings like a rail gun. Is anyone certain that they add to the overall total? I use them as decorations and vault supplements. If I'm close to having the money for an LE or upgrade I can sell them all off and build them again later. That costs more then a payday loan, but who cares...

[Killa Chunk]

The defense buildings add to your overall defense stats... If they all add up to 1000 raw stats... It's like getting a 1,000 defense unit without taking up one of the 2,000 spots... I'll take that without the protection of adjacent buildings

[TAA Sam]

100% they add to your total defence, tested it with a rail gun the other day. Once built defence went up, granted not a huge increase, but it did add to to the total defence stats.

[Butter]

So is defense building even worth having?

[candyson]

So is defense building even worth having?
I sold mine a while back to make room for money buildings, to me, it was one of my best decisions.

[JCL]

as a constant raider, I can tell you it has an effect. If I'm 500k attack, I can raid an unprotected 620k players buildings. However if they've been upgraded (more defense) or a decent defensive building nearby (rail gun), my raids will drop from 90% successful to about 10%. If I see serious defense, and it's a low $ building (e.g. nano tech) compared to others I find easily (Absolute Towers) which pay out 100s of K a hit... i will pass.

[Stooboot]

With the defense to attack ratio being so uneven defense are completely useless my d is at 2 mill and my a is at 1.2 pretty uneven

[LosKevanos]

as a constant raider, I can tell you it has an effect. If I'm 500k attack, I can raid an unprotected 620k players buildings. However if they've been upgraded (more defense) or a decent defensive building nearby (rail gun), my raids will drop from 90% successful to about 10%. If I see serious defense, and it's a low $ building (e.g. nano tech) compared to others I find easily (Absolute Towers) which pay out 100s of K a hit... i will pass.

JCL has hit it on the nose... The radius of effect, the amount of defense, and your defense building bonuses plays a huge role during raids if you are raiding a rival's defense stat at our over your attack stat... As in over-matching during battle point tournaments in order to yield the higher battle points... Otherwise, you are correct... It doesn't make a difference when you are raiding a drastically under-matched rival, you over power them.

And the placement of these defense buildings is key as to which buildings you want protected since the radius is all that the defense buildings defend... Not the entire base. Having said this, having multiple defense buildings covering a single highly upgraded cash super building is in your best interests if you want to protect that particular building in this fashion since it makes a tremendous difference in failed and successful raids from other buildings.

I'll give you a good example... Tonight in my hunting, I came upon a very ripe payday base with all the super cash buildings since the first WD events started, all upgraded in various degrees past level 1 and ready to harvest... I held my breath as i checked the rival profile because this usually means a god stat rival which usually makes it off limits and I get blue external gonads as I make my way down the rival list. This time however, the defense stat was only 1.1 mil and it was well worth the whittling process...

I usually go for the sea bonus building first since it is located outside the radius of defense buildings if the rival had any sense to put any close to it... Took alot of failed attacks, but the third hit disabled its bonus function and dropped the rivals defense stat. I then look for the next three land based bonus buildings and the composite factory if they have one built... I take into consideration the upgraded level and the amount and type of defense buildings around it... I choose the one with the highest upgrade and fewest defense buildings and do the same... Raid it until it comes down losing units along the way...

The defense stat in the rival profile will always remain the same... However, the battle results will show what the defense stat has whittled down to, and you can get a good feel of when the overmatch ratio is good enough when you start winning more than you lose.

I went ahead and started taking down those beautiful upgraded super cash buildings and made 20 millions as a result... It cost me 10 gold for a stamina refill because of the wide over-match gap... But this is what I utilize free video gold for and so it was well worth it. Of note... One of the very highly upgraded super cash buildings had a large number of rail guns and mine fields and gamma ray guns around it and I had to actually take down 2/3 of them in order to harvest that particular high cash output one... Again, worth it for the cash yield... Otherwise I wouldn't have wasted efforts on it.

I hope this helps everyone to understand how important your defense buildings are and how a tightly packed base is more efficient for your defense buildings to defend then these bases where everything is so spaced out and yes... Defense buildings all lined up on the edges away from what really needs to be protected... There is a strategy here and it has helped defend my base from raiders who were 200k attack over my defense... With my level 1 rail guns and my +45% defense building bonuses... I get 136 defense protection from each of them in a very wide radius... They are centrally located instead of on the edge to give the greatest radius of protection.

[La La594]

I also reserve the right to get smarter if I am not correct, just a view of my experiance in the middle factions. The buildings may not make a bit of differance with people that have mega stats.

Well when I started out I built all the defensive building and spent time upgrading them, when I sold them all I lost about 1.5k def max, and I had placed them all taking into acct the radius and the multiply effect of def building next to each other, all i found was i was giving good targets come pvp, had them all nicely lined up, once I sold them all and re arranged my base i have enough land for the next 10 LE buildings and I dont get raided as much come pvp so dont lose as many units in fights, not that that matters much now the new events rain valor lol, so my concluesion is they are now old hat and unless they multiply the building by 10 fold they are not much use to you anymore, they used to be alright when you were just starting out to defend you base for the early days, but now they just take up space and time for no a lot in return whilst giving other easy targets for pvp

[mickymacirl]

Defense stat on buildings add very little to ur over all defense.

Oh and having a defensive building cover money or boost buildings does not add enough to the buildings defense to make a significant difference.

[Fl@sh]

Defense stat on buildings add very little to ur over all defense.Speak for yourself. I get an extra 13 defense from my level 10 guard towers...

[mickymacirl]

Speak for yourself. I get an extra 13 defense from my level 10 guard towers...

I've them all at 10 and I think the total is calculated at around 38,900 extra defense vs 12-13m actual defense. Pretty small numbers considering.

[Powerbang]

Speak for yourself. I get an extra 13 defense from my level 10 guard towers...

Hey for logging in today I got a 330 stat unit for FREE. That effectively negates all of your level 10 guard towers.

I wonder what I will get for nothing tomorrow?

[Powerbang]

Hey I recently got this cool 60k stat submarine because my faction is nice and completed a few missions.

You're saying that unit alone with its boost is worth more than every defense building combined at level 10?

NO WAY!

(GREE can you get us more defense building bonuses in Mexico? We are really going to miss the ones from France and India)


I've them all at 10 and I think the total is calculated at around 38,900 extra defense vs 12-13m actual defense. Pretty small numbers considering.

[Powerbang]

In all seriousness... defense buildings have essentially one worthwhile purpose:

Providing close to 100 additional raid hits to friendly players seeking decent BP for tournaments. Having defense buildings available to hit means people MAY stay away from your cash.

[Spetsnaz]

I always used the defense building for when my vault is full and I need just a little bit more money for an upgrade/buy. Sell 4 rail guns and you have $10 Mill extra.

[Teal'c]

Believe it or not it can actually make the difference but very rarely.
Before exponential stat era, I was in the 150k echelon range, and I was usually lucky enough to attack some 200k people and win, however sometimes it would be a 30% success rate, and after I killed the defensive buildings I was able to win, this could just be the chaotic stat jumps.
Since exponential stat era, they're just a waste of space.

[IlliniFan1]

They are virtually useless except when you have a few level ten railguns.

[Gdy]

Their most useful purpose seems pretty much only to provide targets for raiders to earn points.