Pre-Guild War: Leadership Boosts, etc. [Archive]

King Mark

08-08-2013, 04:09 AM

What are your thoughts on this?
(Leadership Boost seems to be from 10~30%. That is from HC to GM.)
I can already see some players, esp. those stronger ones jumping ships. Some excited, some sad, some angry, lol!

My thoughts:
1) Some players would leave their guilds and join other guilds where they'd be offered Leadership roles.
2) Some players would start making their own guilds & leave the current one where they are just commanders.
3) For some, things would be as it is and as planned for them.

Players would be divided into 2 (or more):
1) Top guilds vying to win the GW.
2) Casual players who'd take the boost over the prizes of the GW. Who'd rather play their games with some friends, do Epic Boss, Arena & not get stressed over GW, but engage it the way they want to and just have some fun.

-Is making a new guild or joining a new one worth it? It might be, esp. for the massive boost in stats and for those who'd rather focus in the arena, Epic boss, etc. than getting seriously involved in the upcoming GW. Not everyone's got time and dedication to stick around guilds where there are some strict rules to be followed, esp. during the war. Not everyone would be happy not getting the Leadership boost as well.

-Is joining the Guild Wars worth it? It might be, depending on the prizes that would be given away and the time, resources that you are willing to spend for this and your guild. For some players, this is the moment they could show their might and teamwork and get the coveted top spot.

So what's everyone's take on this?
I honestly like the fact that Gree did this to cause chaos and create more possible rivalry even within a guild. This is WAR after all ^^

NOTE:
Pls avoid flaming and all. Lets all have some good exchange of views, opinions, etc.

Cheers! =)

Hjon

08-08-2013, 04:26 AM

Everybody in my clan have left. Just GC and GS is remauning. Very big caos omg

King Mark

08-08-2013, 05:24 AM

Everybody in my clan have left. Just GC and GS is remauning. Very big caos omg

Oh...even your High Commanders? O.o
I think this Leadership boost is causing some major impact on players and different guilds already, hahaha! It's going to be a chaos indeed!

Eldaran

08-08-2013, 05:30 AM

What are your thoughts on this?

1) Top guilds vying to win the GW.
=)

I agree there will be sometop guilds trying to win the GW (how many will depand on the rewards). From an economic point of view everybody else should found one man or top officer guilds. The guild bonuses are devalued in comparison.

Lets see if theses changes will hold for long. I have serious doubts the chaos to come has been thought to the end by GREE. Or as a fellow knight wrote somewhere "what have they been smoking" :rolleyes:

Eunuchorn

08-08-2013, 05:37 AM

Overreaction.

Hildigam

08-08-2013, 05:41 AM

Overreaction.

Are you a leadership role in your guild? If you are then just let someone else have it?

Musketeer

08-08-2013, 06:28 AM

It's too much.

I'm a Guild Sentinel, and my att/def have gone up 16% in one night. That's more than double the bonus the entire Guild paid for with millions of gold contributed (we just got our first 8% bonus yesterday, everything else is on 7%). I'm not sure what effect further Guild bonuses will have on this boost.

I'm not sure why the boost occurs everywhere and not just in the War. I've fought a dozen Arena battles since the update, and I'm creaming people who would otherwise give a very tight battle, leaving one of my knights at the back polishing their fingernails. I haven't lost a fight post-update, and I've not been checking stats carefully before the battle, just remembering names. This put me comfortably back into ribbon 1 at around 200th at present, when I was struggling to stay around 250th pre-boost. Too late this week to push me into the top 100, but if it lasts another week that's definitely on.

I've run through the first 16 levels of the Epic Boss with just one knight, a previously impossible event (at least for me). I may be able to push as far as 20 with one knight, certainly 19.

Eunachorn is not a normal player, he's an elitist, judging from his posts here on the Forum. He's the GM of the most powerful and wealthiest Guild in the game, with a posse of feeder Guilds. We'll see how many people are still in the Coalition when they discover they can get a better stat boost in a Guild of their own creation. If I wasn't already in a leadership position enjoying the caviar and champagne (and I hope living up to my leadership role) I'd leave and start a Guild just to see what happens.

I'm more of a democrat by nature and necessity (I don't have limitless cash to open DPCs and the like). I can see that a small boost to the officers (I'm assuming this includes the High Commanders) spices things up in the War, maybe 5% or less, but I don't see why such a boost is carried across to the map, Arena and Epic Boss. The Arena in particular, the only area besides War where you fight other players, gives a huge advantage to those with the boost.

I can perfectly well see why anyone not receiving the boost is immediately leaving their Guild to start their own and get the boost for themselves. The War is a side-issue to most players and Guilds, especially as we haven't been through one yet and seen how it plays out.

King Mark

08-08-2013, 07:04 AM

GM position can be transferred right? If so, I'd make a guild using my alternate account and take over when chaos starts hahaha! ^^

King Mark

08-08-2013, 07:07 AM

Overreaction.

Are you a leadership role in your guild? If you are then just let someone else have it?

@Hildigam:

Lol! That Eunuchorn can't do that cause errr ... Hahaha!

@Musketeer

I have to agree. Strong players who don't wish to be bound by some people, some nobody other than their own has now the option to make their own guilds. Be the GM and you'd have a boost of about 20-30%. Have an alternate account to join the guild to help do the quests and have some good friends RL to take all the Leadership Roles. Then level up your guild even just to 5% elemental bonus and you automatically have 25-35% boost! (Rough estimate, but shouldn't be below 25% for GMs) LOL! Compared to being a regular member even of these so called "top guilds" with just 8% elemental boost? Possibly even being kicked and all after investing in a guild nor yours or your friend's? Which would you choose? Of course, the possible GW prize is still in question whether it's worth it for an individual's preference or not.

I'm liking this idea more and more coz it gives players more options on the table for this guild wars and not be pushed to join some guilds who might just kick them if they aren't able to go online for Guild Wars or just because some leaders say so. That is after investing your time, gold and quest helping level a guild not your own or your friend's.

Now, the choice is yours! ^^

KhaosReignsGuildmaster

08-08-2013, 07:26 AM

I LOVE IT!!! i worked hard to build and maintain my guild and deserve the boosts. i also encouraged any of my own current guildmates who want the boosts to go get it, shake the guilds up!!!

Papa3G

08-08-2013, 07:54 AM

Everybody in my clan have left. Just GC and GS is remauning. Very big caos omg

Then u can merge with our guild :)

topcopper

08-08-2013, 08:30 AM

Well said, Mark. I agree with your thoughts. I personally think the boost will have an overall negative effect on guild relations. I am just going to enjoy the perk while it lasts.

If guild wars prove to be a letdown with decent rewards going only to the money spending guilds, then there will be alot of people setting up their own little 3-man mini guilds.

EljayK

08-08-2013, 08:32 AM

I'm a GM, and I noticed today I'm able to run Epic KoD without a friend, thanks to the boosts.

A number of situations where i needed two hits to drop a mob now take 1, and roc+ on my main in the front takes out kraken in one power attack now.

Lii

08-08-2013, 09:14 AM

I LOVE IT!!! i worked hard to build and maintain my guild and deserve the boosts. i also encouraged any of my own current guildmates who want the boosts to go get it, shake the guilds up!!!

If you want to express your opinions atleast have the guts to use your real forum account so people know who you are.
Trolling like this is pretty pathetic...

KhaosReignsGuildmaster

08-08-2013, 09:16 AM

this is my account gooftroop

KhaosReignsGuildmaster

08-08-2013, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by KhaosReignsGuildmaster
I LOVE IT!!! i worked hard to build and maintain my guild and deserve the boosts. i also encouraged any of my own current guildmates who want the boosts to go get it, shake the guilds up!!!
If you want to express your opinions atleast have the guts to use your real forum account so people know who you are.
Trolling like this is pretty pathetic...

matter of fact get back to me when u or KoF is relevant

KhaosReignsGuildmaster

08-08-2013, 09:40 AM

have you told your guildmates about the bonuses or are you keeping it all hish hush because your guild will disappear?! lmao

Lii

08-08-2013, 10:01 AM

have you told your guildmates about the bonuses or are you keeping it all hish hush because your guild will disappear?! lmao

We are actively discussing all issue regarding the game in my guild.
Maybe I should not have called you pathetic, but I still think it is obvious that you have created that account just to try to "whip up the crowd". I can ensure you there are many much more constructive ways of handling whatever issues it is that you have with the game or Gree.

KhaosReignsGuildmaster

08-08-2013, 10:06 AM

i assure you this is my one and only account, i just set it up this morning. you did use some strong language lol which is what prompted me to react like i have. we are Khaos Reigns Guild and i am the guildmaster, u can see for yourself in-game hence my name on here!

KhaosReignsGuildmaster

08-08-2013, 10:07 AM

i dont even know what trolling is but i didnt like the sound of it.

King Mark

08-08-2013, 11:00 AM

The Leadership boost would be a major turning point for a lot of players, esp. those casual gamers. Before, most/some players want to join high level guilds because of the elemental boost. But now, even the highest level guild could only give a player (commander position) 8% to a max 16% elemental bonus (provided that a guild has 8% bonus for all elements).

Now, they could simply make their own guilds & have their kids or friends join along. Enjoy the starting 20% boost, then level up the elemental bonuses to even 5% and they have 30% bonus in stats! This is massive if you're fighting in the arena or fighting the Epic Boss indeed. They could also join GW in their own liking & play the game however they want.

Question is, why would a player invest time & effort in another guild wherein they can have their own & be in control of? If your current guilds don't stand a chance making it to top or you're unsure about your current guild, perhaps it's time to start your own & enjoy the perks =) Otherwise, reevaluate things & see which benefits you the most. Because the table has been turned around. "It is the Guilds who needs YOU now and NOT YOU needing them." Lol! ^^

KayOrzz

08-08-2013, 11:04 AM

My sentiments exactly mark, I for one may just invest in a Erm.. Retirement home to enjoy my old age in future

Musketeer

08-08-2013, 11:13 AM

The Leadership boost would be a major turning point for a lot of players, esp. those casual gamers. Before, most/players want to join high level guilds because of the elemental boost. But now, even the highest level guild could only give a player (commander position) 7% to a max 16% elemental bonus (provided that a guild has 8% bonus for all elements).

Now, they could simply make their own guilds & have their kids or friends join along. Enjoy the starting 20% boost, then level up the elemental bonuses to even 5% and they have 30% bonus in stats! This is massive if you're fighting in the arena or fighting the Epic Boss indeed. They could also join GW in their own liking & play the game however they want.

Question is, why would a player invest time & effort in another guild wherein they can have their own & be in control of? If your current guilds don't stand a chance making it to top or you're unsure about your current guild, perhaps it's time to start your own & enjoy the perks =) Otherwise, reevaluate things & see which benefits you the most. Because the table has been turned around. "It is the Guilds who needs YOU now and not you needing them." Lol! ^^

Your numbers are slightly out, I think. Maximum Guild elemental bonuses are 10%.

As a Guild Sentinel I'm getting a 16% boost on top of the original Guild Bonuses. I have no reason to think that the GMs are getting a higher boost than the Sentinels and Champions, can anyone confirm if they are?

The rest of your points I agree with. If you can start your own Guild, or join a friend's one as Champion or Sentinel, it doesn't take much gold to get to 5% or 6% Guild Elemental bonuses. 7% costs 10 million, 8% 50 million, and 9% 75 million per element. I'm guessing 10% costs a further 100 million.

Regular Commanders are getting a raw deal for their contributions to the Guilds.

King Mark

08-08-2013, 11:20 AM

Your numbers are slightly out, I think. Maximum Guild elemental bonuses are 10%.

As a Guild Sentinel I'm getting a 16% boost on top of the original Guild Bonuses. I have no reason to think that the GMs are getting a higher boost than the Sentinels and Champions, can anyone confirm if they are?

The rest of your points I agree with. If you can start your own Guild, or join a friend's one as Champion or Sentinel, it doesn't take much gold to get to 5% or 6% Guild Elemental bonuses. 7% costs 10 million, 8% 50 million, and 9% 75 million per element. I'm guessing 10% costs a further 100 million.

Regular Commanders are getting a raw deal for their contributions to the Guilds.

@Musketeer:

Can you kindly update your quote of my earlier post as I've edited it. Thanks! ^^

As for your point, don't we get stack up elemental bonus say fire/water at 8% each (16%) vs spirit/fire?

GM has 20% as I've checked with 2 GMs that I know. Would make sense they have the highest given the highest ranking. Can anyone else confirm this?

Lii

08-08-2013, 11:22 AM

As a Guild Sentinel I'm getting a 16% boost on top of the original Guild Bonuses. I have no reason to think that the GMs are getting a higher boost than the Sentinels and Champions, can anyone confirm if they are?

According to my calculations HC get 10%, Sentinel/Champion get 15% and GM 20% boost.

KayOrzz

08-08-2013, 11:26 AM

7% costs 10 million,

HAX I say! :p

Angel of Death

08-08-2013, 12:16 PM

First of all, I'm happy with the boost coz I'm a guild master. After the update, I just needed 2 knights to finish the epic stage of dark prince castle, and more importantly I finally have been enjoying the use of my white kaleidoscopic armor+ in the arena which was pretty useless before the update. .As what I have said, it depends on the objective of every player... It is either he/ she has a competitive spirit or just wants to enjoy armor boost for level up purposes. Luckily, in my guild 15 out of 27 members are those with competitive spirit, that Is why our guild is still holding up. I am aware that at level 33, and 7% to fire And 6% bonuses to Other elements, won't get us to the top. But just thinking about the time and effort we had to put in just to establish the guild, I think it's worth it to push through and just enjoy every changes that happens. . To all players out there, I encourage you to try every options out there, just hAve FUN! :) ... But if you are interested to join us you are always welcome heheheh. Guild Name: 3 STARS AND A SUN - proud to be pinoy :) . Friend Code: XBB-PXC-NFQ.

Eidand

08-08-2013, 12:16 PM

so, let me get this right, if i start my own guild, I get 20% bonus to my stats ?

Lieda

08-08-2013, 12:24 PM

Im loving eet kakaka!

Well the statements on first posts makes sense, im glad nobody pn my guild left, maybe becuz we took them since early levels and weve been helping them, so maybe theres some gratitude from their part and nobody is leaving...

I do not have an opinion or a construtive comments on this subject so ill not suggest Anything, however im enjoying the extra power coz my Alieda rly got some oompf!

Angel of Death

08-08-2013, 12:45 PM

so, let me get this right, if i start my own guild, I get 20% bonus to my stats ?

Yes, you will have that bonus, nice eh? It just cost you 300,000 gold I think.

Eidand

08-08-2013, 12:47 PM

Yes, you will have that bonus, nice eh? It just cost you 300,000 gold I think.
:rolleyes:
gonna try it right now :)

Eidand

08-08-2013, 01:00 PM

oh my god !
here's a before and after :
4088
4089

Marquis

08-08-2013, 01:40 PM

Are you a leadership role in your guild? If you are then just let someone else have it?

He's our guild leader, and can keep his 20% as he's a strong player. That's coming from one of his commamder.

Roark

08-08-2013, 01:42 PM

I'll never understand online fawning toward leader players

Varza

08-08-2013, 01:43 PM

I'll never understand online fawning toward leader players

Me neither.

Also, if he is already a strong player, he doesn't need unfair game-altering changes to stay on top. He was on top anyway. This just ruins it for EVERYBODY ELSE o_O

Marquis

08-08-2013, 02:02 PM

Me neither.

Also, if he is already a strong player, he doesn't need unfair game-altering changes to stay on top. He was on top anyway. This just ruins it for EVERYBODY ELSE o_O

So your logic is ... all top players give your GM position to the weakest player ... now if thats the case PLZ i beg you ... PLZ attack Rainbow Room.

LOL

Musketeer

08-08-2013, 04:04 PM

oh my god !
here's a before and after :
4088
4089

Not quite 20% as people keep quoting for GM, but 11% on most of your knights. Bilbo got 9% and Lucy 10% for some reason. That's still as good as any Guild is giving Commander level, with a great deal less investment to get there in your case.

Out of interest, did you choose water as your Guild's first element?

Eunuchorn

08-08-2013, 05:59 PM

http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s657/TehEunuchorn/null_zps83fce987.png

Lets say your guild & my guild go to war, my sentinel has 100 hp. Say you attack him & lose, he loses 25hp. So you can spend your entire energy bar to kill him (4 losses, or 1 power attack), or your OP guild master can kill him in one try.

Now you see all the members. Lets say your the lowest level in your guild, 50. Lets say this lvl.50 is a millionaire w/ BK+ & 2xMoon+. He can attack the enemy guild master for 1000 points, or he can attack another lvl.50 for 5 points. Or attack sentinel for 100, Champ-50, HC-25, Commander higher level than you-25, commander even level w/ you-5-10

You want those thousand points instead of 5-100? Come at me.

!This is why these bonuses have been implemented! These wars will be far more difficult than you probably think, & Grees whole intention is probably to splinter the guilds. Why do you think theres an extension on BK+? They are raising the bar & evening out the playing field all around.

The other game rewards go to top 1250 guilds,

Will your 1-5 man guild be one of them?
I seriously doubt it.

SpongeBOZZ

08-08-2013, 06:02 PM

yah let all noobs leave here guilde .... whats 20% for one guy when guildwars start ...

King Mark

08-08-2013, 06:16 PM

yah let all noobs leave here guilde .... whats 20% for one guy when guildwars start ...

You guys are missing the point of those who started & would start a 3-5 or so men guild, lol! Guild War is not for everyone, nor will it ever be. Some people don't have the luxury of time to seriously compete & would rather play casually, do epic boss, level up, arena, etc. as mentioned earlier.

I won't call them noob if they decide to take this path as its their time, money, their game. It's rather a wise move IMO. All commanders get no boost except for the 8% elemental bonus, then be like slave ants of these guilds. For what? Yes, for the GW prize. Is it worth stressing over? Lets wait and see, LOL! =)

Varza

08-08-2013, 06:30 PM

You guys are missing the point of those who started & would start a 3-5 or so men guild, lol! Guild War is not for everyone, nor will it ever be. Some people don't have the luxury of time to seriously compete & would rather play casually, do epic boss, level up, arena, etc. as mentioned earlier.

I won't call them noob if they decide to take this path as its their time, money, their game. It's rather a wise move IMO. All commanders get no boost except for the 8% elemental bonus, then be like slave ants of these guilds. For what? Yes, for the GW prize. Is it worth stressing over? Lets wait and see, LOL! =)

Agreed, that's what I'm doing. Giving it time. Also, you make some great points, King. I for one still don't understand why the bonuses aren't just war-only. Would make the most sense, and they DO make sense in a war scenario, Chorny makes that point clear. Just... why do they have to apply everywhere? I think that's completely wrong and unfair. That is all.

Eunuchorn

08-08-2013, 09:14 PM

King Mark

08-08-2013, 10:12 PM

If you're playing K&D, why wouldn't you want to participate in war, even as casuals. Maybe the 1-5ers just won't even know really what they're missing if they only sorta declare, but who plays games like that?

As for stats, they should apply everywhere, but it should only be main knight w/ the boost, & it should work on friends list(which right now, it doesn't)

Why not? There are hundreds of thousands of players. We are all unique & different individuals after all, thus different reasons we play K&D. They don't think like you or me or the 1% active forumers here.

When most of us played this game, was it because of Guild Wars? No. We have tons of reasons we play this game. Some just want to have fun. When I said casual gamers also, those are players who may try GW, but do it in their own terms & timetable. See, some people have other priorities than getting all stressed & worked out with this GW. Others, yes, has the abundance of time to constantly deal with this digital game. (That includes me atm, but not for long. LOL!)

Bearsuo

08-09-2013, 02:17 AM

I'll never understand online fawning toward leader players

There's a fair amount of new and exciting neurology research suggesting that a large portion of humans enjoy authority figures largely indiscriminately, and that there's a halo effect to everything from them.

Bearsuo

08-09-2013, 02:21 AM

If you're playing K&D, why wouldn't you want to participate in war, even as casuals. Maybe the 1-5ers just won't even know really what they're missing if they only sorta declare, but who plays games like that?

As for stats, they should apply everywhere, but it should only be main knight w/ the boost, & it should work on friends list(which right now, it doesn't)

Generally, 70% of players play games like that. Four motivations for game players, that can blend and merge - achiever, killer, socializer, explorer. Guild wars applies to killers, who are generally a minority. However, when you associate rewards with PVP, you draw in the achievers, who represent a larger portion of the player base; but they're as motivated as the cusp between effort-killing to reward-achieving stabilizes.

Eidand

08-09-2013, 12:08 PM

Not quite 20% as people keep quoting for GM, but 11% on most of your knights. Bilbo got 9% and Lucy 10% for some reason. That's still as good as any Guild is giving Commander level, with a great deal less investment to get there in your case.

Out of interest, did you choose water as your Guild's first element?
Yes indeed, water to start with

Eidand

08-09-2013, 12:11 PM

also, keep in mind I was in a guild already when i took the before screenshot . The guild had 4-6% bonuses already.

Angry dad

08-11-2013, 03:26 PM

While i think the idea of shaking everything up is intriguing, i have to say that the bonuses need to go. Im currently guild master and see the problem with applying the bonuses everywhere. I havnt lost a fight in the arena and currently have a winning streak of over 125. I am hitting silver medalists, a gold medalist, and even a black medalist. I know i should have lost when attacking by now. It will make it so arena winners will be only those who are guild masters and or those who by gems with real cash. I have guild members who deserve the bonus as much as i do. I agree that it is more fair to apply the bonuses to just guild war.

Eunuchorn

08-11-2013, 03:42 PM

I never lost a fight before these bonuses. Though I stopped arenaing awhile ago because it is so ridiculously boring & not worth the rewards

TheRealNutCracker

08-11-2013, 07:52 PM

Guys,

If the bonuses did not apply out of guild war, there would be no motivation to setup your own guild and get the leadership bonus. That would cause the strong to stick with the strong and thus uneven the odds, meaning less levelled playing field.
If the bonus only counts within guild wars then the motivation is clear to prefer the strong guilds and join these to win the wars, you would end with very few guilds and not as much engagement from each player. Gree's aim is to maximise engagement and time you spend on the game.

It is clear that for the short run you make your own guild and enjoy the leadership bonus. On the long run though, you are better off sticking to one guild, as your investment will make the guild stronger and you will get more guild war bonuses. No matter what these end up to be, they will allow Gree to manipulate the game play. Make the guild war bonuses high, ppl will engage more in guilds, lower these you will increase the amount of guilds and probably player engagement.

As many said, it is an individual decision, but the balance is better served this way.

Hildigam

08-11-2013, 09:06 PM