Preemptive Strike! How to fix Guild Wars & Arena!

[Eunuchorn]

It's very possible Gree has beat me to the punch on this, but I firmly believe we need a pop up screen at the beginning of the war to choose a name & 6 armors that are then locked for the 3 day war. (1 armor per knight) this forces smart choice of Main knight armor.

I can only pray they are tiering points above the LvL.100 range for Guild Wars. If they are doing this, they will surely apply the same theory to the Arena. We should also have a number added to our icon showing our total war points earned from here on out & use this number to match you w/ arena opponents.

[Silent follower]

It's very possible Gree has beat me to the punch on this, but I firmly believe we need a pop up screen at the beginning of the war to choose a name & 3 armors that are then locked for the 3 day war.

I can only pray they are tiering points above the LvL.100 range for Guild Wars. If they are doing this, they will surely apply the same theory to the Arena. We should also have a number added to our icon showing our total war points earned from here on out & use this number to match you w/ arena opponents.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with the first point. I don't want to lock down my knights and armors I can chose from during war. On the contrary, I want to be able to switch knights and armors depending on my opponents. Also I'm sure me and many others are working on armors and want to take the new improved ones in use during the war.

The second point is fine, that I can agree on.

[konofo]

I do think they need to get name changes under control - lock them down after maybe a week's notice, then charge gems (as in their other games) for further changes. I think names should also be unique, but that's a smidge harder to enforce fairly ex post facto.

I'm not sure how I feel about locking down a war lineup for the duration of an event. Yes, some people will be switching up frequently to gain an advantage over their targets, who may also be switching up for their targets, and so on... but so what? It makes scouting an unreliable proposition, which isn't awful, just different.

[Silent follower]

I'm not sure how I feel about locking down a war lineup for the duration of an event. Yes, some people will be switching up frequently to gain an advantage over their targets, who may also be switching up for their targets, and so on... but so what? It makes scouting an unreliable proposition, which isn't awful, just different.

My guess is that you don't know who is fighting against you, only who you are fighting against. Thus you can try to optimize your own armor, but if the opponent is doing the same, you'll sometimes loose unexpectedly as he has changed his armor and order of knights. I think this makes it even more interesting, that you can't rely 100% on your scouting results.

[Eunuchorn]

I definitely see your point about the affect on scouting & picking targets, but that's why we have 6 knights. How will the computer know which 3 knights you are using to be fought against by opponents during a battle? There will have to be some kind of War Party set up, maybe per battle instead of the entire war, but I still believe you need to have 1 armor locked on each knight for the duration of the war, & rotate them into your war party depending on who you have scouted to attack.

[konofo]

I still believe you need to have 1 armor locked on each knight for the duration of the war, & rotate them into your war party depending on who you have scouted to attack.

I interpreted your first message as wanting the 3 knight lineup, gear and all, locked in at the start, rather than having flexibility within all 6 knights for the event. That would be interesting, but not really much more restrictive than the complete openness that we have in arena. Most people don't have more than 6 armors they'd want to trot out, anyway.

[L C]

Silly idea and goes against everything they have established in this game so far.
Let's just focus on your concept of "locking armors" to each knight. This would prevent those armors from being fused into something else. Since they went to all that trouble when this happened with the summoning stone, why undo all that effort.
When you have basically every armor in the game maxed, how frustrating must it be that just about anyone can still beat you in any given battle because they picked the correct armors? If you don't want the chess match of armor selection, then maybe this isn't the right game for you any longer.
At least here the "randomness" of misses and extra crits, are nowhere near as frustrating as the buffer zone in KA (where being 40% stronger than your opponent is no guarantee of success despite it being purely att vs def numbers based). It is still frustrating, but somehow it seems more tolerable - maybe because you can see it, and this make me feel like I'm not going to find the wizard hiding behind the curtain.

Someone mentioned making names unique only - not only is this tough to do (apparently) for GREE at this point, but they never bothered to incorporate this in any of their other games, so it seems unlikely they will ever add it here.

[Musketeer]

There will have to be some kind of War Party set up, maybe per battle instead of the entire war, but I still believe you need to have 1 armor locked on each knight for the duration of the war, & rotate them into your war party depending on who you have scouted to attack.

Nice for you with a host of maxed Legendary armors to choose form, Eunuchorn, and probably a Moonbeam or whatever the Epic is called. I have only two maxed legendaries so far. You've already got a massive advantage, do you really need to stack the odds further in your favor?

[Eunuchorn]

Oh dear, where to start.

Silly idea and goes against everything they have established in this game so far.
Let's just focus on your concept of "locking armors" to each knight. This would prevent those armors from being fused into something else. Since they went to all that trouble when this happened with the summoning stone, why undo all that effort.
So you're saying you plan on fusing your 2 best armors together in the middle of the 3-day war effort?



When you have basically every armor in the game maxed, how frustrating must it be that just about anyone can still beat you in any given battle because they picked the correct armors? If you don't want the chess match of armor selection, then maybe this isn't the right game for you any longer.

Guild bonuses are not applied to your opponents in arena right now, hence revenge opponents being stupidly easy. My guildies keep track of who wears what armor & switch around in arena, I barely arena at all & still place top 1000 at worst.



At least here the "randomness" of misses and extra crits, are nowhere near as frustrating as the buffer zone in KA (where being 40% stronger than your opponent is no guarantee of success despite it being purely att vs def numbers based). It is still frustrating, but somehow it seems more tolerable - maybe because you can see it, and this make me feel like I'm not going to find the wizard hiding behind the curtain.
What buffer zone in KA? Can you SS your stats & skills for us. Is your Army attack still at 5?
Misses & crits are pure RNG & working as intended. We need better elemental properties.
Primary & secondary elements should have more or less effect on opposing players, so being W/F isn't the same as F/W. on that note, Beast should be E/S, not S/E.



Someone mentioned making names unique only - not only is this tough to do (apparently) for GREE at this point, but they never bothered to incorporate this in any of their other games, so it seems unlikely they will ever add it here.
Unique names maybe not, but a name change fee is a necessity at this point.

All of your stupidity aside,

Guild wars also needs to implement a Guild Leader(GL) declare only (another thing they've never done in other games) & only a GL is able to kill the enemy guilds sentinel.

[Eunuchorn]

Nice for you with a host of maxed Legendary armors to choose form, Eunuchorn, and probably a Moonbeam or whatever the Epic is called. I have only two maxed legendaries so far. You've already got a massive advantage, do you really need to stack the odds further in your favor?

I actually don't have a Moontide, despite spending several thousand gems on that rip off chest. Everything I'm saying would actually have little to no effect on noob or players, & an extremely beneficial effect for guilds on even ground, & a negative effect for ppl like me w/ a host of armors to choose from.

[L C]

Oh dear, where to start.
...
All of your stupidity aside,

Guild wars also needs to implement a Guild Leader(GL) declare only (another thing they've never done in other games) & only a GL is able to kill the enemy guilds sentinel.

Sure buddy, I'll play your inane game for a bit. All you do is continue to show everyone your true colors and that there isn't a helpful bone in your body.

Lets talk about your idea that only the GL should be able to kill the sentinel of your opponent. And also that he is the only one who should be able to declare war:
Apparently the world revolves around you (it's obvious that you can only view things from your own twisted perspective), and you don't think anyone else in your guild is capable or competent enough to fight a war without you. Or perhaps you intend to do nothing else with your life during every guild war but play this game for 72 hours. No one else in RR should be able to play and compete in the guild wars without you, the almighty Eunuchorn - bestower of nothing except derogatory comments to others.

Now before you go and get bent over this, or begin one of your rants about how you are smarter than everyone else, how money isn't real, or how the sky is falling; remember that I disagreed with your statement and called it silly, whereas you called me stupid. You may have been able to make an argument if you chose to call me ignorant or naive, but since you have nothing to evaluate my intelligence on except your arbitrary viewpoint...well, I'll let you figure it where that leaves things.

I truly feel sorry for the numerous good folks in RR who are painted with the brush of the opinion that so many others hold of you. They deserve better.
Good day, sir

Cheers everyone, sorry I played his game (guess I wasn't better than that)

[Renly]

Sure buddy, I'll play your inane game for a bit. All you do is continue to show everyone your true colors and that there isn't a helpful bone in your body.

Lets talk about your idea that only the GL should be able to kill the sentinel of your opponent. And also that he is the only one who should be able to declare war:
Apparently the world revolves around you (it's obvious that you can only view things from your own twisted perspective), and you don't think anyone else in your guild is capable or competent enough to fight a war without you. Or perhaps you intend to do nothing else with your life during every guild war but play this game for 72 hours. No one else in RR should be able to play and compete in the guild wars without you, the almighty Eunuchorn - bestower of nothing except derogatory comments to others.

Now before you go and get bent over this, or begin one of your rants about how you are smarter than everyone else, how money isn't real, or how the sky is falling; remember that I disagreed with your statement and called it silly, whereas you called me stupid. You may have been able to make an argument if you chose to call me ignorant or naive, but since you have nothing to evaluate my intelligence on except your arbitrary viewpoint...well, I'll let you figure it where that leaves things.

I truly feel sorry for the numerous good folks in RR who are painted with the brush of the opinion that so many others hold of you. They deserve better.
Good day, sir

Cheers everyone, sorry I played his game (guess I wasn't better than that)

totally agree with you mate.

[Thatzme]

If you have played other gree games like KA, it's naturally understandable why guild leaders should be the only one to declare war. There has been numerous instances when noob members or even officers declare war without any thought or consent from the other guildies and has resulted in unnecessary grief.

Chorn's pt is not even abt absolute power - we have a highly communicative guild. All decisions made eg bonus to upgrade etc are through consensus. This applies to guild wars as well. His pt is to avoid having nubcakes declaring war unnecessarily.

That being said, for this to work the guild needs to communicate and trust the GM. I'm sure RR as a whole can vouch for chorn's credibility. I can't say the same for the other guilds.

Edit: Before I talk abt the point on GLs attacking the Sentinels - interested to hear some other views, simply becos some people are biased in their judgement and missed the whole reasoning behind this suggestion in the first place.

[Eunuchorn]

Since quoting yourself back to you obviously doesn't help, ill cut to the chase. A guild leader is a Guild Master, Champion, or Sentinel. Or read through the FAQ, if all GUILD LEADERSHIP roles get a boost from here on out, wouldn't it make sense that only a GL should be able to take out the sentinel before everyone else goes in for the fodder. My sentinel is on a totally opposite timezone as me & my champ seems to be lurking in Line chat all the time. If you want to be a competitive guild, 3 ppl is more than enough to manage a war schedule.
I don't think you are ignorant or naive. I think you totally misunderstood my idea & still do. When your whole guild wastes all their energy losing to the opposing sentinel...well we will see what happens.
As far as it seems, Gree is going to leave a lot of strat in the players hands, & if that's the case, start praying to whatever deity you might be conditioned to believe in.

[Eunuchorn]

I'm sorry I just can't help myself, & maybe getting this thread locked will actually get some devs eyes on it.


Silly idea and goes against everything they have established in this game so far.
Let's just focus on your concept of "locking armors" to each knight. This would prevent those armors from being fused into something else. Since they went to all that trouble when this happened with the summoning stone, why undo all that work?


You sir, are an idiot.

[King Mark]

You sir, are an idiot.

Although I fully understand your point regarding the upcoming guild wars, & you playing other Gree games as well, it should be clear to all of us how disappointing Gree's actions are to most issues out there more often than not.

LC has his point as well in connecting the pattern Gree does in other games. Regardless of how we see things and how we want it to be, in the end, Gree decides what they will do and won't do, what they can't and can. We can rant all we want, send millions of tickets and all, if Gree designs things and run things the opposite, that's how it goes. Not that I'm stopping anyone from voicing out all these valid issues. Sure, it's everyone's right. But be ready to be disappointed when you don't get what you want or hope things go the way you do. It's part of reality.

As for the quoted sentence above, this kind of behavior Eunuchorn is what turns people off and what might cause your guild to fall if you keep giving people the impression that you're arrogant. So as a friendly advice, take it a little easy =) You're also one of my allies in MQ back then, but never noticed you had this kind of attitude. Perhaps because it was crazyscorp, barkeep & others who are the top players there? There are better ways to say things and words to use to not sound like belittling people. Anyway, carry on. Just my 2 cents =)

Cheers!

[Thatzme]

King Mark,

Maybe you should turn your attention to L C. All his comments have totally missed the point and weren't even relevant to what Chorn was discussing. I loled hard at what Chorn quoted - it seems LC has completely misunderstood chorn's suggestions.

I'm not sure if he was just lashing out at Chorn thru tinted glasses, but please fellow forumers - IN ANY THREAD, PLEASE TAKE TIME TO READ AND FULLY COMPREHEND THE POSTS LEST YOU MAKE A FOOL OF YOURSELF.

[King Mark]

King Mark,

Maybe you should turn your attention to L C. All his comments have totally missed the point and weren't even relevant to what Chorn was discussing. I loled hard at what Chorn quoted - it seems LC has completely misunderstood chorn's suggestions.

I'm not sure if he was just lashing out at Chorn thru tinted glasses, but please fellow forumers - IN ANY THREAD, PLEASE TAKE TIME TO READ AND FULLY COMPREHEND THE POSTS LEST YOU MAKE A FOOL OF YOURSELF.

@Thatzme

Thanks! Would do again. But trust me, I've been in Gree's forum long enough to read between the lines and make time to objectively understand opposing views ^^ To say "ALL" LC's comment have missed out points and "aren't even relevant", wouldn't be accurate and would be one-sided. And I'd have to disagree as he has his points, so as Eunuchorn =)

What I advice is to everyone to maturely accept opposing views, ideas, etc. and we'd have a more fruitful conversation here instead of a circus and off topic posts, lol!

Again, just my 2 cents! ^^

[Thatzme]

King Mark, don't get me wrong, I have no bone to pick with you. My point on reading the posts and understanding them was not directed at you.
I like debates, I enjoy discussions cos they help you see different perspectives. But objectively, L C's response to each of Chorn's suggestions shows a lack of understanding.

1) Locking armors - Chorn was referring to locking the armor of the knights for the sake of guild wars. Which means u can't change what the knights are wearing during the one hour window after war is declared. Why fusion was brought in by L C completely eludes me.

2) GLs declaring war and attacking sentinels - L C went on a personal attack instead of comprehending the logic behind chorn's suggestions.

I can't put it any clearer. I understand your diplomatic approach at such conflicts, King Mark. But I don't see any constructive response from L C. Chorn on the other hand makes some sense at least. Whether u agree with him or not, is open for discussion - u take ur stand, give arguments and counter-arguments. That's constructive discussion. The moment u overlook logic and launch a personal attack - that crosses the line.

That said, I don't agree with Chorn calling him an idiot. I think name calling is detrimental to any community - Sadly it has become a norm for non face to face interactions cos people believe they can get away with it.

[King Mark]

King Mark, don't get me wrong, I have no bone to pick with you. My point on reading the posts and understanding them was not directed at you.
I like debates, I enjoy discussions cos they help you see different perspectives. But objectively, L C's response to each of Chorn's suggestions shows a lack of understanding.

1) Locking armors - Chorn was referring to locking the armor of the knights for the sake of guild wars. Which means u can't change what the knights are wearing during the one hour window after war is declared. Why fusion was brought in by L C completely eludes me.

2) GLs declaring war and attacking sentinels - L C went on a personal attack instead of comprehending the logic behind chorn's suggestions.

I can't put it any clearer. I understand your diplomatic approach at such conflicts, King Mark. But I don't see any constructive response from L C. Chorn on the other hand makes sense.

@Thatzme

No worries, I'm all good. Thanks for trying to clear things up. Same here, I prefer conversations that would benefit the whole K&D community, than a circus. Nonetheless, I don't mind if anyone unnecessarily wants to pick a fight with me, coz I know how to hold my own ground =)


Back On Topic:

1) In my understanding, LC was trying to point out the technicality/programming which would be required in locking of armors, etc. Yes, this sounds easy for us, but if you've played other Gree games, you'd be more amused how on earth they aren't able to fix tons of things, lol! Eunuchorn has his preference too. Earlier poster disagreed on the idea, another one not sure if he likes the idea.

2) Basically, what LC is saying is that he doesn't think Gree would change their existing and established format of GW in other Gree games like KA wherein even newbies in the guild can declare war. Eunuchorn on the other hand, hopes Gree changes it for K&D because of its downside.

Did I miss anything? I hope not ^^


@Others:

Feel free to share your thoughts about the thread and let's all avoid personal vendettas and name calling.

Cheers!

[Musketeer]

It's very possible Gree has beat me to the punch on this, but I firmly believe we need a pop up screen at the beginning of the war to choose a name & 3 armors that are then locked for the 3 day war.



1) Locking armors - Chorn was referring to locking the armor of the knights for the sake of guild wars. Which means u can't change what the knights are wearing during the one hour window after war is declared.


Thatz, you need to read more carefully: 'Chorn wants armors locked for three days, not one hour. It's right there in 'Chorn's first post. This is what I objected to.

It's very likely that I'll have new capped Legendary+ armors coming online during the first 3 day war - why should I be denied the use of them just too suit 'Chorn?


In any case I can't see Gree doing any of this stuff. I think the Wars will be very like PvP, where you can choose your knights and armor line-up for each attack, while the defender is stuck in whatever they have set. That's fine, it's equal for everyone, and if the Defender happens to set a new lineup during the 3-hour attack window, so be it.



The stong & organized Guilds will do well, the strong but disorganized Guilds will do OK, the weak but organized Guilds will wish they were stronger, and the Reich will win, and when it's all over we'll all be much where we were before the war started.

[Lcharlie]

@Thatzme

No worries, I'm all good. Thanks for trying to clear things up. Same here, I prefer conversations that would benefit the whole K&D community, than a circus. Nonetheless, I don't mind if anyone unnecessarily wants to pick a fight with me, coz I know how to hold my own ground =)


Back On Topic:

1) In my understanding, LC was trying to point out the technicality/programming which would be required in locking of armors, etc. Yes, this sounds easy for us, but if you've played other Gree games, you'd be more amused how on earth they aren't able to fix tons of things, lol! Eunuchorn has his preference too. Earlier poster disagreed on the idea, another one not sure if he likes the idea.

2) Basically, what LC is saying is that he doesn't think Gree would change their existing and established format of GW in other Gree games like KA wherein even newbies in the guild can declare war. Eunuchorn on the other hand, hopes Gree changes it for K&D because of its downside.

Did I miss anything? I hope not ^^


@Others:

Feel free to share your thoughts about the thread and let's all avoid personal vendettas and name calling.

Cheers!


Good summary King mark. Reading the posts that is how I understood things as well. I think LC understood the point very well but was point out the fact that how Gree designed the feature would less likely cause them to switch course and do something different. If you play other games, this logic is sound.

[Lcharlie]

I also would not favor locking armors for 3 days. This would remove more of the strategic elements of the game. That would be analogous to forcing you to lock your armors in the arena every week. The interesting part of the game for me is to discover the armor combinations and locking armors would remove that. Locking armors would also favor those with the latest and greatest "epic", "legendary", "stupendous", "Bestestestestest" armors. A player with a few weeks of playing could dominate in that model.

With regards to declaring war, I prefer a setting that allows the GM to give permissions to members that he trusts rather than hard code GM/champion/sentinel being the only person to be able to declare war. There are multiple effective ways to run a successful guild. If you are worried about a novice player declaring war by accident perhaps your guild isn't staffed/organized as effectively as you think.

[Eunuchorn]

I also would not favor locking armors for 3 days. This would remove more of the strategic elements of the game. That would be analogous to forcing you to lock your armors in the arena every week. The interesting part of the game for me is to discover the armor combinations and locking armors would remove that. Locking armors would also favor those with the latest and greatest "epic", "legendary", "stupendous", "Bestestestestest" armors. A player with a few weeks of playing could dominate in that model.

You just contradicted your whole argument.
It was also cleared up well before the flaming started (by LC) that each knight should have a locked armor, then you can choose your 3 man setup as you wish.



With regards to declaring war, I prefer a setting that allows the GM to give permissions to members that he trusts rather than hard code GM/champion/sentinel being the only person to be able to declare war. There are multiple effective ways to run a successful guild. If you are worried about a novic player declaring war by accident perhaps your guild isn't staffed/organized as effectively as you think.

Make it HC only then, problem solved. Also, my whole guild is under strict orders to keep us in constant war, so these would actually hurt RR if implemented.

As for all the people saying LC was referring to programming...well, your reading comprehension is as bad as his. It's not your fault though, your great great great great grandparents were having fluoride pumped into their water supply, our generation didn't stand a chance.

[UN Kec]

I also would not favor locking armors for 3 days. This would remove more of the strategic elements of the game. That would be analogous to forcing you to lock your armors in the arena every week.

I think a lot of you are still missing the point possibly. Or at least the way I interpreted it. Based on the way they run other games, GREE probably will lock our armors to whatever we have equipped at the beginning of the war. Or at least, that seems in line with the way they run wars.

I think Eunuchorn made several points, but one of them is that there should be a UI that pops up, allowing us to specifically choose them ahead of time, and not accidentally get locked with a setup we were just using to kill one knight. Eunuchorn may or may not support the locking of armors...but this isn't about what he thinks, this about the fact that GREE probably is going to lock armors, and Eunuchorn is asking for a way to make sure we can choose our armors effectively without getting screwed by poorly timed auto-locks.

Whether you want the armors locked or not....it is a distinct possibility that GREE will do it. Lets hope they don't just force you to use your arena setup.

[UN Kec]

Maybe that was a too roundabout way to say it. What I'm saying is:

@Eunuchorns opening comment: BUMP!

Eunuchorn makes good points! Please hear us GREE and do your best to use these forums to improve the game!

[Lcharlie]

You just contradicted your whole argument.
It was also cleared up well before the flaming started (by LC) that each knight should have a locked armor, then you can choose your 3 man setup as you wish.


Perhaps your reading comprehension isn't as good as you seem to think or perhaps you are simply obtuse. My point again just for you is that I don't want armors or knights locked for any reason. There are 10 element combinations and at least three armor types for each element combination. I would not want locking of three armors or to 6 knights. I want to have an active war where I can modify the guild strategy as the war changes. I also want the ability to max new armors during the war to take advantage of it. Locking armors only favor players with a few top armors as indicated in my point which you highlighted(it is just an example). This is against the elemental variety and the strategic combinatorial theme presented in the game.




Make it HC only then, problem solved. Also, my whole guild is under strict orders to keep us in constant war, so these would actually hurt RR if implemented.

Good for you but just as a note of clarification that not every statement made in these posts refer to your guild. I couldn't care less if you want to be in constant war or not participate at all.



As for all the people saying LC was referring to programming...well, your reading comprehension is as bad as his. It's not your fault though, your great great great great grandparents were having fluoride pumped into their water supply, our generation didn't stand a chance.
This must be another one of your originals. I fail to see how that has anything to do with the game or this discussion. Please take your personal and political views to the Dr. Phil forums.

[Lcharlie]

I think a lot of you are still missing the point possibly. Or at least the way I interpreted it. Based on the way they run other games, GREE probably will lock our armors to whatever we have equipped at the beginning of the war. Or at least, that seems in line with the way they run wars.

I think Eunuchorn made several points, but one of them is that there should be a UI that pops up, allowing us to specifically choose them ahead of time, and not accidentally get locked with a setup we were just using to kill one knight. Eunuchorn may or may not support the locking of armors...but this isn't about what he thinks, this about the fact that GREE probably is going to lock armors, and Eunuchorn is asking for a way to make sure we can choose our armors effectively without getting screwed by poorly timed auto-locks.

Whether you want the armors locked or not....it is a distinct possibility that GREE will do it. Lets hope they don't just force you to use your arena setup.

Difference in opinion perhaps. I read his original post as being able to select your armors and then locked for 3 days. I did not disagree with the first point just with the second.

[UN Kec]

Difference in opinion perhaps. I read his original post as being able to select your armors and then locked for 3 days. I did not disagree with the first point just with the second.

Good point. My fear is that before Eunuchorn ever started talking about it, GREE already planned something like this. Regardless of whether we support it, if they implement it, we better hope they implement lock in options.

If not, there will be even more sucky luck involved.

If they don't implement locking at all, that would be fine too..it will just mean more strategy falls to the individuals and guilds to make smart plays.

[Lcharlie]

Good point. My fear is that before Eunuchorn ever started talking about it, GREE already planned something like this. Regardless of whether we support it, if they implement it, we better hope they implement lock in options.

If not, there will be even more sucky luck involved.

If they don't implement locking at all, that would be fine too..it will just mean more strategy falls to the individuals and guilds to make smart plays.

Agreed. I suppose either way we will have to create strategies to cope. I hope for the ability to leverage multiple armors otherwise the game can be very boring if everyone wears black k, aegis and moontide or a combination. I personally would love to be able to see the Eldritche(can't remember the spelling) take down an Aegis which would make top players also having to think about armor strategy versus simply putting on the latest and greatest and call it a day. We see enough players with 2 moontides or aegis and black ks in the arena. The ability to change armors and beat them all is what makes this game fun. If my armors were locked for the arena, I would stop playing the arena. What is the fun in playing every battle with the same three armors? It then becomes a game of avoidance versus a game of challenge.

[King Mark]

As for all the people saying LC was referring to programming...well, your reading comprehension is as bad as his. It's not your fault though, your great great great great grandparents were having fluoride pumped into their water supply, our generation didn't stand a chance.

@All

And this is the GM of Rainbow Guild everyone =) Round of applause! Anyone who disagrees, who gives a different view of things, who help steer the conversation to a more fruitful one = "has low reading comprehension or is stupid/idiot" and has lower intelligence than his, his family, great grandparents, dogs and you name it, LOL! Not even sure why he brings up family matters here just to throw his insults.

I am one of those who interpreted part of LC's post to had something to do with programming, you've got a problem with that? Another friendly reminder, you might want to lower down your ego a bit. Don't be too cocky around here in K&D because even in other Gree games, you're a nobody. Rainbow is where it is right now because of the hard working members and good leaders helping the guild. So back off with your self-absorbed self Eunuchorn and don't waste their effort. On the other hand, keep digging your own grave. Carry on with your arrogance and your "portrayed intelligence" here in K&D. Sure glad didn't see you around trolling like this in other Gree games ^^


@Others

My apologies for being a bit side tracked, I just finally realized no point talking to this guy. Regardless, Gree makes the decision and how they'd implement things for this GW. It's good we can voice out our opinions, but let's not be like the Thread Starter. No need for us fighting over our ideas because in the end, Gree does what they think should be done. But let's brace ourselves for any possible disappointments =)

Cheers!

[Eunuchorn]

perhaps your reading comprehension isn't as good as you seem to think


Locking armors would also favor those with the latest and greatest "epic", "legendary", "stupendous", "Bestestestestest" armors. A player with a few weeks of playing could dominate in that model."
"Locking armors only favor players with a few top armors"

How would a newer player have the best gear? What are you even talking about? You say there's all these combinations of elements & armor to switch around, but then talk about ppl w/o enough armor choices getting shafted? If you have 6 or less battle ready armor, this has no effect on you, you are using them locked or Not. One of your S/E is better than another, & even if you did want to use them both, you have 3 knights to choose from. Locking 6 knights forces players like me w/ tons of 70/70 to very strategically pick which knights I use against which opponents & which element combinations I will be able to mix & match over the 3 day war.



With regards to declaring war, I prefer a setting that allows the GM to give permissions to members that he trusts rather than hard code GM/champion/sentinel being the only person to be able to declare war. If you are worried about a novic player declaring war by accident perhaps your guild isn't staffed/organized as effectively as you think.



Originally Posted by Eunuchorn
Make it HC only then, problem solved. Also, my whole guild is under strict orders to keep us in constant war, so these would actually hurt RR if implemented.
[QUOTE=Lcharlie;908394]
Good for you but just as a note of clarification that not every statement made in these posts refer to your guild. I couldn't care less if you want to be in constant war or not participate at all.
If you are worried about a novice player declaring war by accident perhaps your guild isn't staffed/organized as effectively as you think.
You brought up my guild FYI. & you do realize "giving someone other than GM/sent/champ permission to declare war" is the EXACT SAME THING as when I said HC & up can declare?


@All
Anyone who gives a different view of things, who help steer the conversation to a more fruitful one= "has low reading comprehension or is stupid/dumb
Still waiting for this to happen.


I am one of those who interpreted part of LC's post to had something to do with programming, you've got a problem with that?
Actually, yes. The programming aspect has nothing whatsoever to do w/ this threads intention & never did & was never even brought up by the person that at least 3 others will tell me that he did. That's called bad reading comprehension.


Another friendly reminder, you might want to lower down your ego a bit. Don't be too cocky around here in K&D because even in other Gree games, you're a nobody. Rainbow is where it is right now because of the hard working members and good leaders helping the guild. So back off with your self-absorbed self Eunuchorn and don't waste their effort.
Saying "another friendly reminder, but 'flame flame flame'" is extremely condescending & incites confrontation. You are rather bad at this whole peacekeeping thing. What does my status in other Gree games even matter? "Rainbow is where it's at" you say, well, not really as there is no ranking system in place. That's your own projected opinion. As for the good leadership & hard working members of RR, we thank you for the compliment.



On the other hand, keep digging your own grave. Carry on with your arrogance and your "portrayed intelligence" here in K&D. Sure glad didn't see you around trolling like this in other Gree games ^^
Digging my own grave? What does that even mean?
I don't "troll" the other forums because most ppl there are over the age of 15. Do you even know what it means to troll?



@Others
My apologies for being a bit side tracked, I just finally realized no point talking to this guy. Regardless, Gree makes the decision and how they'd implement things for this GW. It's good we can voice out our opinions, but let's not be like the Thread Starter. No need for us fighting over our ideas because in the end, Gree does what they think should be done. But let's brace ourselves for any possible disappointments =)
Cheers!

This is the second time you've ranted about how we can voice our opinions but Gree will do what they want in the end.
Thanks for telling us what a forum is for? Twice.

[King Mark]

@Eunuchorn

Nah, not keeping up with your self serving nonsense anymore. Anyhow, anything else we didn't comprehend from you "the mighty & all knowing one" that you wish to tell us? LOL! You started the flaming by the way so take it or leave it ^^


@All

I suggest you avoid wasting your time in this thread and IF this thing really concerns you, your guild and what not, "send in a ticket to Gree".

[busteroaf]

Question: If someone tells you a secret and says not to tell a soul, can you still tell a ginger?

Also, as a partial peacekeeper/instigator, who had popcorn popping but finished reading before it was done... here is my two cents.

By saying "not keeping up with your self serving nonsense anymore..." aren't you still doing the "I got the last word in" thing? If you don't want to deal with it, don't respond to people's posts. If you don't respond, there is nothing left to argue / debate / quote / misread / misunderstand /miss independent... This has happened numerous times already, in thread after thread. This is something our guild is guilty of, hell, I'm guilty of (a lot). But by continuing to post, you are feeding the idea of "look at me, I one-up'd _______ person. Go me! I'm Super! I got the last... son of a ***** he posted again. Hold on, let me respond..."

Dang, just... walk away. Constantly re-quoting and responding over and over is just the definition of Insanity. Yelling more and quoting more and having the bigger block of text just means you wasted more time trying to prove your point to someone or a group of someone's who have no interest in agreeing with you.

If, on the other hand, this is a cordial discussion/debate where point/counterpoint exists, then by all means, continue. Now, back to my popcorn that is now burned because I decided to respond.

[Eunuchorn]

Maybe Wise One will be driven to release some details to appease the mob.

[Thatzme]

I like to watch the world burn. More drama, more catfights rawr.

@Musketeer - my bad, I didn't know he meant for the whole 3 days. I don't agree with that; I have 28 maxed 70 armors waiting to be swapped around in this rock paper scissors pvp setup, would like to be able swap around depending on which guild we r fighting. Locking for that particular hour is somewhat feasible. If your guild has done enuff recon, could give adv. Ofc there's always countermeasures like swapping armor or positions of knight right before. This is what makes wars fun.

[Bearsuo]

I don't "troll" the other forums because most ppl there are over the age of 15. Do you even know what it means to troll?

Dun 1 to make pay when cross mah bridge

[Gabzor89]

From the Posting Guidelines:

"Please DO NOT:

Flame, troll, insult others, make purposefully inflammatory posts or otherwise be a nuisance to other players or the moderators. In this and all other matters, the moderators have final say over what constitutes appropriate posts."

I would suggest that some temporary forum bans be in order to those who are guilty. It was a pain reading this thread and sifting the useful information from the incendiary remarks.

[Matty-cakes]

Dun 1 to make pay when cross mah bridge

Thanks, Bear. I can always count on a chuckle from you.

[Eunuchorn]

From the Posting Guidelines:

"Please DO NOT:

Flame, troll, insult others, make purposefully inflammatory posts or otherwise be a nuisance to other players or the moderators. In this and all other matters, the moderators have final say over what constitutes appropriate posts."

I would suggest that some temporary forum bans be in order to those who are guilty. It was a pain reading this thread and sifting the useful information from the incendiary remarks.

Wouldn't be the first time I've been banned from this forum. I tried to get this thread closes after 30 minutes by breaking those Forum Guidelines. So much for that.

[Eunuchorn]

It's very possible Gree has beat me to the punch on this, but I firmly believe we need a pop up screen at the beginning of the war to choose & 6 armors that are then locked per knight for the duration war.

I can only pray they are tiering points above the LvL.100 range for Guild Wars. If they are doing this, they will surely apply the same theory to the Arena. We should also have a number added to our icon showing our total war points earned from here on out & use this number to match you w/ arena opponents.

Is it just me or is this thread quite relevant? Looks like I had solved the 1-knight GM farming before it was even discovered.

3 knights need to be required in war, what reason is there to use less? So my enemy gets less bonus knight points? It is it's own stupid little circle of bad game design.

Add a war section to profile (maybe replace summoning stone, as I cannot even access/change this armor set without paying gems to summon a boss first)

-Lock armors (1 per knight)
-3 knight minimum during war
-more intricate point system

[Sparkle_DPA]

You are close to 1337 posts Mr. Eunuchorn. Stop right there!

[Street Shark]

Eun foresaw this months ago :eek:

[busteroaf]

Eun foresaw this months ago :eek:

And yet people mocked him saying he was trying to change things to benefit himself...

[Olgar]

the Sticky: **OFFICIAL** Feedback and Suggestions Thread! is other way

[Smiley80]

there should be diminishing returns on fighting/farming one player or give a XX% bonus for beating a character the first time, to stimulante people fighting other players.

having 1 knight or 3 knights wearing basic armors (or weak armors) wont solve the issue.

[Timo2]

Greetings,
I have read this entire thread and I am still "in the fog"? What issue are we trying to solve by locking armors in GW? Is this mainly an IOS issue? I play on the Android side and I am part of a top 10 guild (Majestic) and I have never been "lucky enough" to war against someone wearing "basic armor" or putting in one player to fight?
Do other Android players see this happening often? If so, dang I am jelious as I would love to "rack up points" on some basic armor players :).

My two cents.

:cool:

[Smiley80]

Greetings,
I have read this entire thread and I am still "in the fog"? What issue are we trying to solve by locking armors in GW? Is this mainly an IOS issue? I play on the Android side and I am part of a top 10 guild (Majestic) and I have never been "lucky enough" to war against someone wearing "basic armor" or putting in one player to fight?
Do other Android players see this happening often? If so, dang I am jelious as I would love to "rack up points" on some basic armor players :).

My two cents.

:cool:

pretend you have a friend in another guild you are fighting. Both guilds GM remove 2 toons from their line up. Both guilds fight. That way both guilds get max points. It doesn't impact the outcome of the win, but it might have an impacts in the teams placement in the war.

I THINK this is what is ment

[Zyntree]

1 Knight GM farming seems a very simple thing to fix (coding aside, as I'm clueless there). Eun's suggestions would do it. Or you could just make points make sense. If a knight wearing one basic armor goes into battle... make it so you earn squat all. Add a 50% GM bonus to squat... guess what. Still squat.

Or lock the knights to to their armors... but if you do that, please make it clear up front GREE. Would hate to be surprised by something like that... or make points make sense. Maybe if I repeat myself enough it will happen...

[BethMo]

1 Knight GM farming seems a very simple thing to fix (coding aside, as I'm clueless there). Eun's suggestions would do it. Or you could just make points make sense. If a knight wearing one basic armor goes into battle... make it so you earn squat all. Add a 50% GM bonus to squat... guess what. Still squat.

That's a bad solution, because it creates an even worse abuse: GMs switch to a single knight to gimp their opponent's scoring opportunities.

[KOA]

Instead of locking armors, gree can change the point system based on your opponents armors. Offer point bonuses for beating players with higher tier maxed armors or deduct pts for beating players with lower tiered armors or unmaxed armors. This should quickly get rid of stripping and invoke more strategy during wars.

[Thatzme]

Instead of locking armors, gree can change the point system based on your opponents armors. Offer point bonuses for beating players with higher tier maxed armors or deduct pts for beating players with lower tiered armors or unmaxed armors. This should quickly get rid of stripping and invoke more strategy during wars.

Does strategy include paying someone to infiltrate a guild to delete every member just before war starts? Sounds fun

[busteroaf]

Does strategy include paying someone to infiltrate a guild to delete every member just before war starts? Sounds fun

People would do that?

[Sparkle_DPA]

Yup, i got $400 ready. If anyone wants to claim it, via paypal, you know what you gotta do...

















(sarcasm)

[KOA]

Does strategy include paying someone to infiltrate a guild to delete every member just before war starts? Sounds fun

Nah, it's more like retiring and coming back more times than Brett Farve...

[II King Mark II]

Does strategy include paying someone to infiltrate a guild to delete every member just before war starts? Sounds fun

Funny how these hypocrite RR minions are quick to accuse other guilds of their own conspiracies, yet quick to deny any wrong doings their guild & ex/members are guilty of. Pathetic people indeed.


Nah, it's more like retiring and coming back more times than Brett Farve...

True. Heard this old guy retired a million times already yet still coming back. Maybe he wants to sell his account like Rediye to get some money back.

@Alita & TheWiseOne:
Flagging Rediye's account for any illegal activities as he's selling his account to the highest bidder in LINE.

[Eunuchorn]

Funny how these hypocrite RR minions are quick to accuse other guilds of their own conspiracies, yet quick to deny any wrong doings their guild & ex/members are guilty of. Pathetic people indeed.
True. Heard this old guy retired a million times already yet still coming back. Maybe he wants to sell his account like Rediye to get some money back.
@Alita & TheWiseOne:
Flagging Rediye's account for any illegal activities as he's selling his account to the highest bidder in LINE.

Aww you're cute.

For the record, I created the coalition so my "retirees" can save up money & come back for certain wars. Even as low scorers, they are carrying all Rainbow guilds closer to top 10. If you have 3500 gems for one war, you can join RR for Epic+ & happily know there's a place for you in our family of guilds.

Rainbow will be top 10. We are always looking for free players to help build new Rainbow guilds as well!
So stop trying to falsely accuse us of things that aren't even worth attempting to prove actually is going on. Our goal is to bring the K&D community together. I already have 20+ top 200 guilds working together to abuse armor drop until Gree blesses us with a fix.

[Thatzme]

Get all your facts right before posting yeah? I've only retired once and am coming out of retirement to have a last hurrah with some close pals in RR just for old times sake.

Hey I've missed u Mark - KSA is only made possible becos of you. You have been the most consistent forum participant - consistent in throwing nonsense out just for witchhunt's sake.

Conspiracies? Never liked being a part of it - afaik we want to keep it drama free in RR but we seem to be bombarded by unwelcome external distractions. Take zip and UT for instance yeah?

[Tachy]

Nah, it's more like retiring and coming back more times than Brett Farve...

Except with more championship rings.

[Tachy]

My apologies for being a bit side tracked, I just finally realized no point talking to this guy. Regardless, Gree makes the decision and how they'd implement things for this GW. It's good we can voice out our opinions, but let's not be like the Thread Starter. No need for us fighting over our ideas because in the end, Gree does what they think should be done. But let's brace ourselves for any possible disappointments =)

Cheers!

How many times have you rehearsed this part, pre-coitus?

[Smiley80]

1 Knight GM farming seems a very simple thing to fix (coding aside, as I'm clueless there). Eun's suggestions would do it. Or you could just make points make sense. If a knight wearing one basic armor goes into battle... make it so you earn squat all. Add a 50% GM bonus to squat... guess what. Still squat.

Or lock the knights to to their armors... but if you do that, please make it clear up front GREE. Would hate to be surprised by something like that... or make points make sense. Maybe if I repeat myself enough it will happen...

that can't do that either or else everytime someone logs off they put on crappy armor so while they are gone people get no points from beating them

[US GanjaBoy]

It's very possible Gree has beat me to the punch on this, but I firmly believe we need a pop up screen at the beginning of the war to choose a name & 6 armors that are then locked for the 3 day war. (1 armor per knight) this forces smart choice of Main knight armor.


It'd be good for smart choices as u said and it'd be interesting but nah I don't like this: switching armors is a good thing of the game even when war comes,

if someone can't spend so much the only thing he can do to help own guild is being active and changing armors to kill a stronger opponent/avoid to be killed.

Moreover if armors were locked all those players based on a "several different elements maxed armors strategy" couldn't use all of them in a war but only a few.

War is not only "spend gems spend gems spend gems", it's funny to change armors.

Rather I'd like gree to implement more things like changing armors because wars are based on spending gems only, but I know this will never change :(

[Eunuchorn]

It'd be good for smart choices as u said and it'd be interesting but nah I don't like this: switching armors is a good thing of the game even when war comes,

if someone can't spend so much the only thing he can do to help own guild is being active and changing armors to kill a stronger opponent/avoid to be killed.

Moreover if armors were locked all those players based on a "several different elements maxed armors strategy" couldn't use all of them in a war but only a few.

War is not only "spend gems spend gems spend gems", it's funny to change armors.

Rather I'd like gree to implement more things like changing armors because wars are based on spending gems only, but I know this will never change :(

Locked armors still allows unlimited set ups & order of armors; but it forces strategy about which 6 armors you choose to be able to rotate during the war. It really makes mono epic choice very important, & you would have to try to cover all element counters with smart armor choice

[busteroaf]

Locked armors still allows unlimited set ups & order of armors; but it forces strategy about which 6 armors you choose to be able to rotate during the war. It really makes mono epic choice very important, & you would have to try to cover all element counters with smart armor choice

And it prevents the whole "gm stripping" idea, and potentially eliminates the "gm farming" idea if you don't have the proper counters.

[quantumace]

Conspiracies? Never liked being a part of it - afaik we want to keep it drama free in RR but we seem to be bombarded by unwelcome external distractions. Take zip and UT for instance yeah?

This is probably the funniest thing I have read on the internet today. You certainly do have a knack for sarcasm.

[Zyntree]

That's a bad solution, because it creates an even worse abuse: GMs switch to a single knight to gimp their opponent's scoring opportunities.


that can't do that either or else everytime someone logs off they put on crappy armor so while they are gone people get no points from beating them

Yea, didn't think of that. Point taken. Bad idea. Still, the original idea by Eunuchorn is pretty legit. I wouldn't be too sad with only having 6 armors to work with. Would be kind of a bummer to not be able to switch my main, but all in the name of progress i s'pose


Does strategy include paying someone to infiltrate a guild to delete every member just before war starts? Sounds fun

lol...

[Eunuchorn]

I also said they need to *REQUIRE 3 KNIGHTS FOR WAR* 10 point knight bonus? Who cares.
In the first war GMs were logging off in 1 armor & were worth crap points. So Gree fixed that & 1-knight GM spam was born.

Why would you have less than 3 knights in your war party?

SA Kill Bonus, Level Difference bonus, Armor Quality bonus, Opponent Armor Quality Bonus, Damage Taken Bonus

I could go on.

They need to make a true stats screen pop up after each fight with true factors translating directly from gameplay to reward.

K&D needs to be treated like a street fighter/mortal combat game.

[Zyntree]

...
Why would you have less than 3 knights in your war party?
SA Kill Bonus, Level Difference bonus, Armor Quality bonus, Opponent Armor Quality Bonus, Damage Taken Bonus

They need to make a true stats screen pop up after each fight with true factors translating directly from gameplay to reward.
...


omg yes. Make the points you earn sensible. Give them for real reasons, not RNG... requiring 3 knights as a minimum for wars would be a good fix for GM stripping... if the armors were set at the beginning, then GM could not equip lame basics. If required 3 knights / battle no one could abuse the system to make the opponent get crap points.

Then tell us why we earned the points we earned.

[Smiley80]

Diminishing returns that resets after 5 fights

fight 1: win 1 gives you 100% points
fight 2: win 2 gives you 90% points against the same opposant (or 100% against a different apponant)
fight 3: win 3 gives you 80% points against the same opponant (or 100% against a different apponant)
fight 4: win 4 gives you 70% points against the same opponant (or 100% against a different apponant)
fight 5: win 5 gives you 60% points against the same opponant (or 100% against a different apponant)
reset it after 5 fights

Farming the same person is a disavantage, but you can do it if you want. You can wear any gear you want.

[Meepo]

Well, locking armours would probably make guardians more useful since you wouldn't want to stack a single element anymore.

I just don't find it appealing how the main knight is stuck with a single armour. In the battles that my guild faces, there is a "rock-paper-scissors" thing happening between beastmaster, maelstrom and blazeborne (we don't face top 10 guilds much). Having the main knight stuck with just one of them really limits how well you can match elements against an enemy sentinel, who already has a large boost.

[bosskiller]

I understand these points, but I would still be against locking armors.

[Eunuchorn]

I understand these points, but I would still be against locking armors.

Then you don't understand the points I'm making. How many gems do you spend per war?

[shade825]

I interpreted your first message as wanting the 3 knight lineup, gear and all, locked in at the start, rather than having flexibility within all 6 knights for the event. That would be interesting, but not really much more restrictive than the complete openness that we have in arena. Most people don't have more than 6 armors they'd want to trot out, anyway.
i do, i want to have 1 of each single element and 1 of each dual element... alot of times i a lil weaker then my opponents so i need the element advantage no matter what types they bring, if we all have the ability to switch between matches i think its all good, i do agree that this stripping thing should taken care of. maybe past a certain level gm should be required to have like ***armor or above or more att+def points then sentinel or smthn like that. also i think there should be 2 seperate wars, one for gem spenders and one for free players... cuz we dont stand a chance against these wallet warriors and it prevents us from getting stronger cuz all the good prizes go to pay to win guilds n players. or give extra chest keys and better armors for the guilds/players who use less gems but participate in wars/arena. or even a spending limit which if u go over it it puts u or ur guild in the pay to win bracket/group... this way u compete only with ppl who do the same... i love the game but feel like i have to be rich to get stronger

[Reversal]

i do, i want to have 1 of each single element and 1 of each dual element... alot of times i a lil weaker then my opponents so i need the element advantage no matter what types they bring, if we all have the ability to switch between matches i think its all good, i do agree that this stripping thing should taken care of. maybe past a certain level gm should be required to have like ***armor or above or more att+def points then sentinel or smthn like that. also i think there should be 2 seperate wars, one for gem spenders and one for free players... cuz we dont stand a chance against these wallet warriors and it prevents us from getting stronger cuz all the good prizes go to pay to win guilds n players. or give extra chest keys and better armors for the guilds/players who use less gems but participate in wars/arena. or even a spending limit which if u go over it it puts u or ur guild in the pay to win bracket/group... this way u compete only with ppl who do the same... i love the game but feel like i have to be rich to get stronger

Dude, why did you necrobump this?

[sxespanky]

Dude, why did you necrobump this?

to BS his way to 10posts to post his crappy guilds info

[Dianish]

i do, i want to have 1 of each single element and 1 of each dual element... alot of times i a lil weaker then my opponents so i need the element advantage no matter what types they bring, if we all have the ability to switch between matches i think its all good, i do agree that this stripping thing should taken care of. maybe past a certain level gm should be required to have like ***armor or above or more att+def points then sentinel or smthn like that. also i think there should be 2 seperate wars, one for gem spenders and one for free players... cuz we dont stand a chance against these wallet warriors and it prevents us from getting stronger cuz all the good prizes go to pay to win guilds n players. or give extra chest keys and better armors for the guilds/players who use less gems but participate in wars/arena. or even a spending limit which if u go over it it puts u or ur guild in the pay to win bracket/group... this way u compete only with ppl who do the same... i love the game but feel like i have to be rich to get stronger


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