war rankings

[Nacon10]

over under 5.5 days for gree to publish complete winners list i'll set the over at -130 and under -110

[E-I]

Over 5.5 days. Definitely.

[GoGoGadgetSword]

You're a funny guy, I'll kill you last.
Someone in my guild asked me what was our official ranking & I simply replied "I'll let you know in a week."

[Shinazueli]

Over.tencharacters

[Shluggy]

I had a newbie ask within 10 minutes of the war ending what our ranking was!! I just said, knowing gree we will know in anywhere from 3 days to 3 weeks time!
I just don't understand why we can't have a ranking in the game while the event is on. One that updates after each battle. Maybe on the 'leaders' tab or in the guild under 'ranking'. Surely can't be that hard to sort out.

[Berneburg]

If you happen to hold one of the leader board mile post positions (top 1250, 500, 100, 75, etc) there is a box that appears at the top that shows your ranking. So, the programming is there, they just need to expand it to apply to every ranked team.

[uashsar]

but your insight in rank (i.e. less uncertainty) might cause you to spend less gems...

[Dexter Morgan]

Benefit of the doubt-under :)

[Vile Lynn]

I like how GREE does the Leaderboards for the PvP Tourneys in CC... why can't they bring that to the wars & to KA?

[Greybeard]

but your insight in rank (i.e. less uncertainty) might cause you to spend less gems...

Ding Ding Ding! There's your answer for why there isn't one while game in progress! Gree'd knows how to milk you for every last one. That's also why the leader board is frozen the last hour. Heck, if you knew exactly where you were at you could pace your self and your spending. We can't have that!

But, as for why they can't post the results as soon as it is over, your guess is as good as mine. My guess is it makes them no money to compile a list so, they use their limited resources doing other things until enough of us gripe, then they put one out.

[Shluggy]

but your insight in rank (i.e. less uncertainty) might cause you to spend less gems...

LESS gems?? Ok, so we got the big 45 wins unit (which was our new goal for the war after seeing the new quest) with a few hours to spare and the leaders tab was indicating we were about 3k away from top 100. A quick guild meeting later and it was decided to make a dash for top 100 in last couple of battles but make sure we were far enough inside to be sure. 2 battles later and a lot more gems spent, all members checking the leaders tab going up and down but mainly and most importantly in the right direction, it was indicating we were safely inside the top 100 by between 45-50k (and I have screenshots to prove this). War ended, celebrations began, fireworks and champagne all round! Logged back into the game to see Congratulations! Your guild won Dagon's Mystic! GUTTED! All that hard work and money spent over the last couple of hours for top 150! Still a great achievement but its not the point here. We were VERY safe inside top 150 anyway but Gree, in essence, pushed us into trying for the next fix. Think Gree will refund all the gems we spent over the last 2 hours because their programming is rubbish on the leaders tab? (Hahaha I'm laughing so much whilst typing that sentence). Se la vie, on to the next ltq!

[mmalkove]

LESS gems?? Ok, so we got the big 45 wins unit (which was our new goal for the war after seeing the new quest) with a few hours to spare and the leaders tab was indicating we were about 3k away from top 100. A quick guild meeting later and it was decided to make a dash for top 100 in last couple of battles but make sure we were far enough inside to be sure. 2 battles later and a lot more gems spent, all members checking the leaders tab going up and down but mainly and most importantly in the right direction, it was indicating we were safely inside the top 100 by between 45-50k (and I have screenshots to prove this). War ended, celebrations began, fireworks and champagne all round! Logged back into the game to see Congratulations! Your guild won Dagon's Mystic! GUTTED! All that hard work and money spent over the last couple of hours for top 150! Still a great achievement but its not the point here. We were VERY safe inside top 150 anyway but Gree, in essence, pushed us into trying for the next fix. Think Gree will refund all the gems we spent over the last 2 hours because their programming is rubbish on the leaders tab? (Hahaha I'm laughing so much whilst typing that sentence). Se la vie, on to the next ltq!

Shluggy, Same thing happened to us. We were already into the top 50 and had a nice gem push at the end with over 100k cp in the last few minutes and STILL finished 17k out of the top 50. It hurt pretty bad, I won't lie lol. At least you got 45 wins, we struggled here matching against top 25 guilds. only finished 7/9 on the guild quest.

[E-I]

Where is Gambit with his rankings thread? Just because he gets first doesn't give him an excuse to slack off on Tuesday morning!

[jchow69]

Still waiting. I'm wanting to join a top 400 guild. My guild is top 750 or top 500. Want to experience what it's like in a better guild. I am level 40 with 67k/63k stats, but should've increased due to the war prizes.

[pendentive]

50k is not enough of a buffer for a top 100 spot. Now you know. ;)

50k is barely enough of a buffer for top 300 rank. You should have had more like 100k. And for top 50, you'd need 200k.

Think of it this way. Let's say you're in spot #100. All the guilds with 50-100k below you are having **their** guild meeting and trying to decide if they can overtake your spot.

So, if you only have a 50k buffer over #100, you suddenly drop off the list.

Happens a lot more than you think.

Happened to a Top 10 team last war and I'm pretty sure they spent a heckuva lot more in the last few hours.

So, I know you do get it....but consider it 'lesson learned' and plan on investing more to guarantee a win.

It's pay-to-play in KA
if you want to be elite.

[Shluggy]

50k is not enough of a buffer for a top 100 spot. Now you know. ;)

50k is barely enough of a buffer for top 300 rank. You should have had more like 100k. And for top 50, you'd need 200k.

Think of it this way. Let's say you're in spot #100. All the guilds with 50-100k below you are having **their** guild meeting and trying to decide if they can overtake your spot.

So, if you only have a 50k buffer over #100, you suddenly drop off the list.

Happens a lot more than you think.

Happened to a Top 10 team last war and I'm pretty sure they spent a heckuva lot more in the last few hours.

So, I know you do get it....but consider it 'lesson learned' and plan on investing more to guarantee a win.

It's pay-to-play in KA
if you want to be elite.

Thank you for your very kind input and words of advice. Its unfortunate you've completely missed the point I was trying make with my guilds story though. Maybe you could read again?

I spent a long time typing a reply to you, then I thought, oh well if you don't get it, you don't get it, why waste my time!

[E-I]

Happened to a Top 10 team last war and I'm pretty sure they spent a heckuva lot more in the last few hours.


For real. KTA had a nice cushion until 3-4 teams scored in the million range in the last battle.

[Alexius]

Thank you for your very kind input and words of advice. Its unfortunate you've completely missed the point I was trying make with my guilds story though. Maybe you could read again?

I spent a long time typing a reply to you, then I thought, oh well if you don't get it, you don't get it, why waste my time!

Don't feel bad. We scored 630k cp in our last battle for a final push for top 25 and ended up probably 26th (13k short)

[Kjctnorris]

Thank you for your very kind input and words of advice. Its unfortunate you've completely missed the point I was trying make with my guilds story though. Maybe you could read again?

I spent a long time typing a reply to you, then I thought, oh well if you don't get it, you don't get it, why waste my time!
I think you're missing the point of the post you originally replied to and the subsequent reply to your post.

If you are uncertain of your guilds current standing within a tier (which is the current state of the game), you are forced to spend excessively in order to SECURE that spot in that tier. Otherwise, you risk getting overrun because the leaderboard freezes in that last hour so you have no clue what the other guilds are doing. This uncertainty forces you to spend more than you normally would want for peace of mind.

If they programmed it so you had an exact location within the rankings (or more importantly, the status of those on your tail), it would be much easier to determine how much you needed to spend, which equals less money for GREE.

In one MW battle, there were about six-eight guild who spent like crazy in the last few hours to maintain a top 25 position because the 25th place team kept changing. It gave everyone the impression that the 26th place team kept moving into the top 25 and bumping a team out. So all teams that were close to that 25th spot started spending like crazy. Once the dust settled, it turns out the 23rd, 24th, and 25th place teams were rotating positions and the 26th place team was over 1.2M points away. So basically, teams 15-25 dumped a million points worth of gems due to uncertainty - win for GREE.

But that's why they do it.

If after that explanation, I too am missing your point, perhaps you could reword or expound, because I'm getting the same thing from you as the others are.

[Shluggy]

Don't feel bad. We scored 630k cp in our last battle for a final push for top 25 and ended up probably 26th (13k short)

That's rough!! Oh we don't feel bad about not making the top 100. It's not too much about the ranking, it's truly about how we get there and the friends we make along the way. It's a problem I have with Gree, their muck ups and their programming.

[Shluggy]

I think you're missing the point of the post you originally replied to and the subsequent reply to your post.

If you are uncertain of your guilds current standing within a tier (which is the current state of the game), you are forced to spend excessively in order to SECURE that spot in that tier. Otherwise, you risk getting overrun because the leaderboard freezes in that last hour so you have no clue what the other guilds are doing. This uncertainty forces you to spend more than you normally would want for peace of mind.

If they programmed it so you had an exact location within the rankings (or more importantly, the status of those on your tail), it would be much easier to determine how much you needed to spend, which equals less money for GREE.

In one MW battle, there were about six-eight guild who spent like crazy in the last few hours to maintain a top 25 position because the 25th place team kept changing. It gave everyone the impression that the 26th place team kept moving into the top 25 and bumping a team out. So all teams that were close to that 25th spot started spending like crazy. Once the dust settled, it turns out the 23rd, 24th, and 25th place teams were rotating positions and the 26th place team was over 1.2M points away. So basically, teams 15-25 dumped a million points worth of gems due to uncertainty - win for GREE.

But that's why they do it.

If after that explanation, I too am missing your point, perhaps you could reword or expound, because I'm getting the same thing from you as the others are.

Maybe I did, if I got it wrong then I apologise but if their point was what I thought it was, and that if they put a more accurate ranking system into the game at war time then we would be more inclined to use less gems, then I just gave our story to elaborate on the fact that for us having that uncertainty made us spend more not less.
My point is not at all the story of our guild in the last war, just an example or elaboration, the point is how Gree work very hard to make people spend more gems. I put my point for the whole story at the end of the posting, which was this:-
We were VERY safe inside top 150 anyway but Gree, in essence, pushed us into trying for the next fix. Think Gree will refund all the gems we spent over the last 2 hours because their programming is rubbish on the leaders tab? (Hahaha I'm laughing so much whilst typing that sentence). Se la vie, on to the next ltq!
Had I just typed that someone would have wanted to know what I meant.
If you agree that Gree try hard to make people spend more gems, then that's it right? End of discussion. If you don't agree and think Gree are fair in everything they do (and please don't start with the whole You're not forced to buy gems thing) then that's what we should be discussing here not my guilds ranking etc. as that wasn't my point in the first place.

[Kjctnorris]

In that case, you are all saying the same thing. Just a big misunderstanding.

[Shluggy]

That's what this discussion is all about :-) The only thing I was debating was the fact that it worked the opposite way for us. We are all in agreement here on the big picture, just discussing the fact. Isn't that part of what a forum is for? Discussing things with like minded people. I'm glad I got my point across in the end, sometimes I can waffle and go off topic lol. All's well that ends well :-)

[Nacon10]

hmm not bad i should be a bookie