Guild Quest: Daleth's Quest

[Gambit12]

Guild War event & need to win 45 wars to earn the Grand Prize...

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1/9 - Delta Watcher - 110/90 - win a war
2/9 - Delta Advisor - 173/227 - win 3 wars
3/9 - Delta Raider - 480/320 - W 6 wars
4/9 - Delta Assassin - 900/700 - W 10 wars
5/9 - Delta Offensive - 1600/1600 - W 15 wars
6/9 - Delta Stalker - 4000/2400 - W 21 wars
7/9 - Delta Bodyguard - 5500/7300 - W 28 wars
8/9 - Delta Dragon - 13200/12400 - W 36 wars
9/9 - Daleth, Claimant to the Delta - 30,000/26,200

[procsyzarc]

Sounds like we need to win 45 which means they need to fix this slow matching system or no one will finish

[Berneburg]

2/9 - Delta Advisor 173/227

[Colony Colonel]

The Siafu Ants have prize 1 and are heading towards the second victory! watch this space! ;)

[jchow69]

My guild might be able to win 30.

[jchow69]

The unit is really good.

[Nacon10]

3/9 delta raider 480/320

[DrQ]

Lol can't log in.. So I guess I will just admire those units in here. Gree ....I don't know how u can expect your customers to not insult or curse you.

[kruppe]

My guild might be able to win 30.

We have never won more than 40 even on the five day war. Not that there was a need to...

However, what do people think if we ask to extend the war for another day due to the crappy matching/response times?

The 45 prize is a good one and certainly worth the extra battling no matter where one's guild finishes.

[mboyae]

I cannot access to this guild quest. Can anyone please advice how to fix it?
Thank you so much.

[Barcele]

Seriously? Even fun hasn't won 45 battles before? Wow, what hope is there for the other guilds

[Dirt road Joe]

Seriously? Even fun hasn't won 45 battles before? Wow, what hope is there for the other guilds
We won 45 last war. So it is completely possible. ***If there are no further server problems***

[kruppe]

We won 45 last war. So it is completely possible. ***If there are no further server problems***

For us there were two factors, firstly it took a long time to match us to another guild, and secondly, at a certain point we just watched for any threatening movement.

[Barcele]

4/9 is win 10 wars
Delta Assassin 900 attack and 700 defense

[Shinazueli]

It's going to follow an arithmetic pattern. Win 1,3,6,10,15,21,28,36,45.

Most guilds realize that the top reward is out of reach. Winning 15 wars a day for three days just isn't going to happen. Even four days to pull it off would be quite a challenge. Gratz to the top10 or so that pull it off.

To put that into real numbers there are 72 hours in 3 days. 72 x 60 minutes/hour = 4320 minutes in the war. 4320 minutes/45 wins = 1 win every 96 minutes. So unless you are on a 90 minute schedule or lower, it's not even possible. And to win every single one of those would take either a strong international guild or a guild willing to forgo more than an hour of sleep at a time for three days, and all of them have to be willing to spend at a moments notice to guarantee a victory. I'm predicting nobody outside of the top10 will be able to pull this off.

They've set the bar too high for even their top spenders. That's just hilarious.

Note that I'm not even accounting for the fact that they cluster-f'd the start and robbed everyone of the first two hours lol.

Also note that the last day is going to see some f'ing ridiculous spending, as those top guilds with 40 wins are going to be facing each other... Lol. Talk about a deathmatch.

[Barcele]

45 wins is just too much. almost no guilds will get it and if problems like the server disconnects and long match time continues, no one will get it

[Barcele]

It's going to follow an arithmetic pattern. Win 1,3,6,10,15,21,28,36,45.

Most guilds realize that the top reward is out of reach. Winning 15 wars a day for three days just isn't going to happen. Even four days to pull it off would be quite a challenge. Gratz to the top10 or so that pull it off.

To put that into real numbers there are 72 hours in 3 days. 72 x 60 minutes/hour = 4320 minutes in the war. 4320 minutes/45 wins = 1 win every 96 minutes. So unless you are on a 90 minute schedule or lower, it's not even possible. And to win every single one of those would take either a strong international guild or a guild willing to forgo more than an hour of sleep at a time for three days, and all of them have to be willing to spend at a moments notice to guarantee a victory. I'm predicting nobody outside of the top10 will be able to pull this off.

They've set the bar too high for even their top spenders. That's just hilarious.

Note that I'm not even accounting for the fact that they cluster-f'd the start and robbed everyone of the first two hours lol.

Also note that the last day is going to see some f'ing ridiculous spending, as those top guilds with 40 wins are going to be facing each other... Lol. Talk about a deathmatch.

And that is not even counting the fact that the top 10 guilds face each other multiple times during the 1st and 2nd day as well. Depending on how often they face each other, might not even be possible for them.

[ge.ka]

Daleth's Quest 5/9
Win 15 Battles

Delta Offensive 1600/1600

Just think outside the box:p

[Person]

Daleth's Quest 5/9
Win 15 Battles

Delta Offensive 1600/1600

Just think outside the box:p

And from the looks of it it's a machine, will let you know in about 2 hours as for the moment we're 13/0 and about to win nr 14

[Person]

Just score as few points needed for the win, our goal isn't minimum top 50 maybe 25 for this one, its top 400 and Daleth :)

[ge.ka]

And from the looks of it it's a machine, will let you know in about 2 hours as for the moment we're 13/0 and about to win nr 14

Nice, keep intel coming

[Isa]

Daleth's quest lvl 5/9 requires 15 wins, rewarded by Delta Offensive 1600/1600 stats

[Person]

It's indeed a machine

6/9 21 wins Delta Stalker 4000/2400

[Proprioc3ption]

Sounds like we need to win 45 which means they need to fix this slow matching system or no one will finish

Totally true Crazy, you're spot on! Gez it's ridiculous hey mate, we put up with that together many times over all past wars. Hope your well mate.

Shiz your spot on!

It is achievable IF GREE have their act together. Sadly not many top teams will get this reward, so it seems this is GREE's way of allowing the middle and lower guilds to catch up. Looks like GREE have there heads screwed on when it comes to making money of us and attempting to even out the playing field by offering this quest. However, they still continue to ignore players calls for glitch free events that are properly tested and maintained.

[Person]

We've had no trouble matching slow, must be because too few guilds can match you for power. The way I believe it works, the system first starts looking for a roughly equal guild, and only if they hadn't declared yet and no match could be made for several minutes look into weaker guilds.

[sousas]

If we fight 1 war every hour we will have Daleth tomorrow.

Damn GREE you have given us an extra day! You are getting soft!...

[Person]

Well that's what we thought. Lost 2 battles though, stupid PRK and KTA xD

[Jayson]

Any of you super guilds feel like taking on a charity case member? :)

[DrQ]

In all honesty I think the guild quest was not design for big buffaloes in the top 50.

I have my reasoning .. Just too tired to write anymore.. Been at it since the war started.. Now I m just whatever...

[Person]

It most likely is an attempt to get the weaker people closer to the strong ones. All it did in my and most of my guilds opinion was add a much needed touch of strategy to the game, kudos to Gree for that!

[Bluedood]

We had to completely change our strategy on the drop of a dime, and it has added some excitement to battles that was missing sometimes.

Very sleepy...carry on ;)

[Person]

If all goes well I should be able to tell you the 7/9 reward in 2 hours, depending on the matchup we get :)

[Barcele]

7/9 win 28 wars
Delta bodyguard 5500/7300

[l3lade2]

24 hours gone and we've won 22 battles, 15 minutes now into what will be 23rd win. 45 wins is easily doable in a 72 hour event I don't understand all the complaining.

Edit: and we're not even a Top 10 guild these days so it certainly isn't just a 'top 10 guild prize'

[jchow69]

My guild won 6 battles and is on way to 7th win.

[Shinazueli]

24 hours gone and we've won 22 battles, 15 minutes now into what will be 23rd win. 45 wins is easily doable in a 72 hour event I don't understand all the complaining.

Edit: and we're not even a Top 10 guild these days so it certainly isn't just a 'top 10 guild prize'

You guys have proven in the past that you are willing to forgo sleep as a group and spend as a group to obtain your goals. There aren't too many other guilds that can claim that. I'm still betting on ~ 5 guilds actually obtaining the unit, with another ten or so 1-2 battles shy. Which is why I said that the last day is going to be f'ing brutal. For reference, we are at 14 wins and 4 losses at 24 hours in. 3 of the losses came from fakes against 60 member guilds. None of us have slept, but we don't have wallets the size of yours.

[Colony Colonel]

We're on W:14 L:10

I know that's not great ... but we aren't a guild full of gem spenders. I think we are doing quite well and so far maintaining our highest rank so far!

[jchow69]

Probably FUN already gotten that grand unit already or very close to.

[Krissy]

Probably FUN already gotten that grand unit already or very close to.

Lets explain the concept called math. Wars started yesterday at 3 EST. They last 1 hr each. Even if the start and matching went perfectly, at 5 EST now the absolute limit of wins right now is 26. FUN is not Harry Potter. They can't alter time.

[jchow69]

Lets explain the concept called math. Wars started yesterday at 3 EST. They last 1 hr each. Even if the start and matching went perfectly, at 5 EST now the absolute limit of wins right now is 26. FUN is not Harry Potter. They can't alter time.

Sometimes, one win counts as two or more wins. For example, in the WD in MW, my faction ended with 45 wins and 34 losses. There's always gonna be glitches that can benefit and hurt people.

[Zenobia]

You guys have proven in the past that you are willing to forgo sleep as a group and spend as a group to obtain your goals. There aren't too many other guilds that can claim that. I'm still betting on ~ 5 guilds actually obtaining the unit, with another ten or so 1-2 battles shy. Which is why I said that the last day is going to be f'ing brutal. For reference, we are at 14 wins and 4 losses at 24 hours in. 3 of the losses came from fakes against 60 member guilds. None of us have slept, but we don't have wallets the size of yours.

We really don't spend very much on the majority of wars, and we always place at least Top 50, even with half or more of our players playing free every war. Heck we had one Top 50 finish nearly gem-free and another completely gem-free - that time all the honorable guilds boycotted gem spending for the war. We did spend a LOT for our Top 10 finish - that high a finish is completely impossible otherwise. And when we go Top 25, we spend, but honestly I think we get Top 50 spending far fewer gems than other Top 50 teams due to our high level of organization and team spirit. :)

[Tarsus]

This event has certainly put some interesting twists into a weekend that few of us were prepared for, given how short a break we had from the last war and how many events and quests were jammed into that time.

Kudos to Gree for mixing things up a bit, and best of luck to anyone pushing for this goal.

[Shinazueli]

This event has certainly put some interesting twists into a weekend that few of us were prepared for, given how short a break we had from the last war and how many events and quests were jammed into that time.

Kudos to Gree for mixing things up a bit, and best of luck to anyone pushing for this goal.

I aGREEd with everything except for the last line. I can't do that. Also, I'd like to see your dictionary for the word "interesting." I had a few other adjectives in mind.

[Zenobia]

I aGREEd with everything except for the last line. I can't do that. Also, I'd like to see your dictionary for the word "interesting." I had a few other adjectives in mind.

Why do you dislike this quest so much? It favors guilds who rely on participation and teamwork over those who rely on individual heavy gem-spending on prime targets. I like that aspect of it. I have no idea how far MoC will get in it, but I like the twist for that reason.

[Zenobia]

Yeah, but that's not exactly shocking news considering how just about everything has gone lately. Back to before the previous war which had a very rocky start too.

[jin.knightstemplers]

I know it's off topic, but for ever reason I can't start a new post, so I'm going o ask here's hoping to get an answer.
When you rank, say top 200, 300 and so forth, o you get the rank bonus you won only or you get the rank bonus plus every bonus below as well? Thank you in advance.

[Zenobia]

Every bonus below it as well.

Good luck to you and your guild!

And you have to post a number of times before you can start a topic.

[Tarsus]

When you rank, say top 200, 300 and so forth, o you get the rank bonus you won only or you get the rank bonus plus every bonus below as well? Thank you in advance.

Yes.

You get the rank bonus plus every bonus below it as well.

[The_Legend_Shall_Live_On]

I agree with this type of quest, because for the first time in a LONG time, strategy has been put back into for majority to even come close to winning this LTE. While it is true that the heavy, heavy hitters and heavy money spenders will have an easier go at it, you'll find that even they don't usually have a 15-win day for all 3 days of the war because in the past, it just didn't matter.

Also, as mentioned in other posts in this thread, great teamwork, coordination, and strategy would be needed in order to complete this LTE on a general player level.

I think it would be smart of Gree to tack on 12 hours to this war, though. With no heads up as to such a quest, and loss of 2 or more hours at the start of the war, with glitches and log in problems for many, many players for the first 8+ hours, many companies across the planet will be facing a whole bunch of tired employees come Monday morning.....

[General Soviet]

Now THIS is an interesting guild quest, even though it's much more tough than the rest. We're one win from the assassin currently.

[Valid or]

This new quest, has help make walls worth while again, added a area of stragity to the game. I like it.

[Shinazueli]

Why do you dislike this quest so much? It favors guilds who rely on participation and teamwork over those who rely on individual heavy gem-spending on prime targets. I like that aspect of it. I have no idea how far MoC will get in it, but I like the twist for that reason.

I dislike the quest because it sucks the most for personal reasons. If you happen to be in a guild where you are one of a few spenders, you pretty much need to be online for every war to ensure victory. It's also quite expensive for two or three players to carry all those wins. I haven't slept since the quest started... Yeah I'm kinda bitter about how high they set the bar on this one. I'm all for challenge but there needs to be some reasonableness to it. Even 40 wins would have been more reasonable without forfeiting sleep for 3 f'ing days.

Regardless of how well your guild coordinates, you must always have a spender online. Which kinda sucks if you don't have many.

[dragonslayer]

it's all about sucking you all dry :D

[Johan -]

I dislike the quest because it sucks the most for personal reasons. If you happen to be in a guild where you are one of a few spenders, you pretty much need to be online for every war to ensure victory. It's also quite expensive for two or three players to carry all those wins. I haven't slept since the quest started... Yeah I'm kinda bitter about how high they set the bar on this one. I'm all for challenge but there needs to be some reasonableness to it. Even 40 wins would have been more reasonable without forfeiting sleep for 3 f'ing days.

Regardless of how well your guild coordinates, you must always have a spender online. Which kinda sucks if you don't have many.


x2.

Unfortunately the game require more and more gems. We have maybe 10 gem players in our group, most of them are light gem users. must say, 650 gems are gone before you know it!, I buy most of the time 2000~3000 gems and need to use most of them to help our guild.
Our guild is changing, first it was not really a problem to have many non-gem players in the guild, now it is almost an important factor.
We introduced a couple wars back, minimal CP requirement. We ask for more and more commitment, not everyone can bring up the time to mix their real life/work with the virtual life.., so what can we do? We have no other choice than booting some of our members and replace them for people who can play the game more often..is it fair? we made friends along the way, but if we want to stay high in rankings, we must say goodbye to some of them..

Instead of that KA players are spending less gems, it only increased...thinking about the boycott some time ago, it seems completely forgotten. Most of us didn't want wars within 2 weeks, for 2 times already we had 2 weeks war follow up, did we spent less gems? I don't think so..there is only 1 who laughs very laud and no matter what someone else say or complains, it is GREE only.

I together with some of our other gem players think about using less gems, what means that our guild will go down in rank tier, to be honest this war, the interesting price is the TOP400 health recovery, so a TOP100~150 rank is good enough!

[aephlux]

8/9 - Delta Dragon 13200/12400 - W 36 wars

[Kjctnorris]

@Shinazueli and others - I can see how this may be frustrating for you as an individual, but to put it in perspective, your guild (or mine for that matter) is not going to challenge FUN for the top spot. In essence, GREE has made that #1 prize unattainable for you as well unless you change some things within your guild. The bottom line for me is, if every prize was attainable by all, would it really be a prize or quest for that matter? However, this is something that even low level guilds have a shot at with relatively low spending. I don't know that MoC will actually get the final prize, but we are on a good pace and have spent considerably less this time around than we did in order to place in the teens during the last war.

This also throws in a curveball for guilds like FUN who don't usually even fight a total of 45 wins in an entire war. Even they had to change their strategy if they want a shot at the top guild prize.

I'm not sure I'll ever convince you that this is a good thing, but personally, I prefer quests that are really hard to win. It's a lot more fun when you actually complete it and it's something that took more than just money to do it. Even if we don't get the 45th win, it gives us something to strive for in the next war and will have us relook our strategy.

Just my .02

[Johan -]

@Shinazueli and others - I can see how this may be frustrating for you as an individual, but to put it in perspective, your guild (or mine for that matter) is not going to challenge FUN for the top spot. In essence, GREE has made that #1 prize unattainable for you as well unless you change some things within your guild. The bottom line for me is, if every prize was attainable by all, would it really be a prize or quest for that matter? However, this is something that even low level guilds have a shot at with relatively low spending. I don't know that MoC will actually get the final prize, but we are on a good pace and have spent considerably less this time around than we did in order to place in the teens during the last war.

This also throws in a curveball for guilds like FUN who don't usually even fight a total of 45 wins in an entire war. Even they had to change their strategy if they want a shot at the top guild prize.

I'm not sure I'll ever convince you that this is a good thing, but personally, I prefer quests that are really hard to win. It's a lot more fun when you actually complete it and it's something that took more than just money to do it. Even if we don't get the 45th win, it gives us something to strive for in the next war and will have us relook our strategy.

Just my .02

I agree that prices must not come easy, but...

I read yesterday and interesting news.
When you are a gem player and would decide for wars like this to start a single player guild, like there are many outside the TOP1250! , than you easily can win the "45 win super price" afterwards, you just go back to your guild and voila ! the price is in your hands and you're back in your original seat again.

This can easily be done when you start a LLP account, which can sit in your seat while you're absent for an interesting war guild price... , you are not letting down your original guild and meanwhile you can score the super price for relative very low cost of gems..!

Something to think about??
Can we call this strategy or a hole in the system???

Thing is a FUN GUILD member spend USD500~800 and hope to win this price, while the single guild gem-player can win this price for USD50~100...

Any thoughts about this?

[mtlfce]

8/9 Delta Dragon 36 wins
13200/12400

[alizainal]

I agree that prices must not come easy, but...

I read yesterday and interesting news.
When you are a gem player and would decide for wars like this to start a single player guild, like there are many outside the TOP1250! , than you easily can win the "45 win super price" afterwards, you just go back to your guild and voila ! the price is in your hands and you're back in your original seat again.

This can easily be done when you start a LLP account, which can sit in your seat while you're absent for an interesting war guild price... , you are not letting down your original guild and meanwhile you can score the super price for relative very low cost of gems..!

Something to think about??
Can we call this strategy or a hole in the system???

Thing is a FUN GUILD member spend USD500~800 and hope to win this price, while the single guild gem-player can win this price for USD50~100...

Any thoughts about this?

And you don't sleep for at least 45 hours? I'll say good luck with that!

[l3lade2]

I agree that prices must not come easy, but...

I read yesterday and interesting news.
When you are a gem player and would decide for wars like this to start a single player guild, like there are many outside the TOP1250! , than you easily can win the "45 win super price" afterwards, you just go back to your guild and voila ! the price is in your hands and you're back in your original seat again.

This can easily be done when you start a LLP account, which can sit in your seat while you're absent for an interesting war guild price... , you are not letting down your original guild and meanwhile you can score the super price for relative very low cost of gems..!

Something to think about??
Can we call this strategy or a hole in the system???

Thing is a FUN GUILD member spend USD500~800 and hope to win this price, while the single guild gem-player can win this price for USD50~100...

Any thoughts about this?

Some valid points in here for sure. I would argue that FUN members are spending a lot of money/gems to win the guild wars, their money is being sent to earn the top prizes, they aren't actually spending more to complete the guild quest (in theory).

That being said I think it is possible that there is something in what you're saying. I think it would be quite rare that anyone would take advantage of what you're saying, if someone is spending gems then the value of being in a guild and placing well far outweigh just the guild quest (when you factor in bonus') etc. At the same time, 45 wins for 1 person on their own is quite difficult, when factoring in work, sleep and other time away from KA.

My .02; what you're saying is certainly plausible, and it might be nice to see GREE introduce a rule prevent this (a simple something like "minimum CP must be achieved in order to count as a win for the purposes of the quest") but in reality I can't see it being massively exploited...

[Kjctnorris]

I say if a person can win 45 battles by himself, he earned that prize.

[justsomedood5]

I say if a person can win 45 battles by himself, he earned that prize.

Agreed. Plus, they'd be giving up on all the other top prizes and bonuses.

[Proprioc3ption]

No one can really take advantage of this event as no one was prepared for it. Can't create a guild on your own once the event has started, so only those who ha their own guild with just themselves wld benefit from it. Other than that, top 100 to top 25 guilds will benefit from being able to be matched very quickly and win more battles as their pool is larger and some I them have players that wld always be able to push those extra gems into a game to confirm the win.
Unfortunate for the top ten guilds it's going to be harder.

[Proprioc3ption]

We had FUN doing this quest and were glad that GREE made sure we didn't have to wait as long as we have had to in the past.

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[Tarsus]

Way to go, Proprioc3ption!

[Proprioc3ption]

Cheers mate! Well done to you all at MoC too

[Colony Colonel]

Congrats to all that made it! I think The Siafu Ants will finish with around 42 wins :( carrying some dead weight so hopefully we can do better next time.

[Proprioc3ption]

Congrats to all that made it! I think The Siafu Ants will finish with around 42 wins :( carrying some dead weight so hopefully we can do better next time.

Good Luck CC! I hope you get it.

[Colony Colonel]

Thanks Pro, maybe next time!


I'm at work so can't keep an eye on the game now... but apparently we just lost to a top 25 guild... we're sitting 100k outside of top 200... how is that fair!?

[LordIndy]

I must admit I am getting pretty bored with various guilds who finish high up in the rankings and claim to spend very few gems. I like to think that we are organised with very high participation from a 40 member guild. It just not possible to finish Top 50 and not spend lots on Gems. So it all boils down to what you mean by 'we really don't spend very much'.

Should have added that MoC obtained over 4,500,000 CP in the last event. Could someone do the math (sorry, not too bright) but I reckon that is 60,000 per battle if you fought every hour for the entire event. Truely incrediable.

Almost 2/3 of our score is free....just pure setting alarms and and putting four hits in. I frequently hit walls as a lower player and will score over 50k this war. Most of us average over 350cps per hit. So many score a lot more than me. I would say our 48 person guild spent less than 20 mountains for our top 25 finish including all the miscellaneous ones spent.

When we only go for top 50 we are playing almost entirely free.

[Zenobia]

I must admit I am getting pretty bored with various guilds who finish high up in the rankings and claim to spend very few gems. I like to think that we are organised with very high participation from a 40 member guild. It just not possible to finish Top 50 and not spend lots on Gems. So it all boils down to what you mean by 'we really don't spend very much'.

Should have added that MoC obtained over 4,500,000 CP in the last event. Could someone do the math (sorry, not too bright) but I reckon that is 60,000 per battle if you fought every hour for the entire event. Truely incrediable.

First of all, in the last war, we chose to push for a Top 25 finish. So we spent what is, for us, a lot of gems on that one. We we pick and choose which wars we go for Top 10 or Top 25, based on what kind of gem commitment individuals are able and willing to donate to the group cause that week. We decide as a group and then each person who can only buys what is needed for what the group goal is. In other wars, most wars, we spend much less; or in the case of the Boycott War, not at all.

Second, yes, "very few gems" is very much a relative term. A mountain each from a percentage of us for this current war is an average amount for us to spend. (I don't know the exact amount every player spent.) Other Top 50 guilds may spend more, I'm sure a number do. Or they may have only like 2 gemmers on the team who each spend a lot more. Or maybe they all chose to sleep not a wink for 72 hours and spent less than us. We are very well-coordinated, with great teamwork, and a great blend of player skills and locations around the world, and thus spend what I believe is on the smaller side as compared to most Top 50 guilds. But I don't know for sure.

[Cola3]

MoC is obviously a strat guild with only a few Gem spenders. How else can MoC get the Daleth prize first. I'm guessing that MoC's biggest spender is comparable to FUN's lowest spender. :D:D

Next time GREE should make it 55 wins....instead of an easy 45.:p

[Shinazueli]

First of all, in the last war, we chose to push for a Top 25 finish. So we spent what is, for us, a lot of gems on that one. We we pick and choose which wars we go for Top 10 or Top 25, based on what kind of gem commitment individuals are able and willing to donate to the group cause that week. We decide as a group and then each person who can only buys what is needed for what the group goal is. In other wars, most wars, we spend much less; or in the case of the Boycott War, not at all.

Second, yes, "very few gems" is very much a relative term. A mountain each from a percentage of us for this current war is an average amount for us to spend. (I don't know the exact amount every player spent.) Other Top 50 guilds may spend more, I'm sure a number do. Or they may have only like 2 gemmers on the team who each spend a lot more. Or maybe they all chose to sleep not a wink for 72 hours and spent less than us. We are very well-coordinated, with great teamwork, and a great blend of player skills and locations around the world, and thus spend what I believe is on the smaller side as compared to most Top 50 guilds. But I don't know for sure.

Yes, it's all relative. One mountain each would be very expensive from our point of view. Especially given an 11 day schedule. But yeah, I figure organization would cut down the cost a lot, because losing free hits costs more money.
Also, I've done the math. One mountain is more than an entire 3 day wars worth of free points.

I've assumed based on an average score of 250 points per attack. This is conservative but that's ok, I'm using the same points per in the free calculation, so it's irrelevant. It just makes the math easier.

250 points per hit x 4 hits per refill is 1000 points per refill. 25 gems per refill x 4 x 1000 points per refill is 4000 points per 100 gems => x 15 => 60k points per mountain.

Here's where it gets murky. The points a free player can earn is based on their own schedule and on their health boosts. If they happen to be in a top guild with, lets say 23% from guild boosts and 2 other 5% health boosts => (1-0.95^7)=30% health regen = 70 minutes for four attacks, which would result in 1k points. Given an three day war with no sleep, no wall attacks, no mega attacks, and no losses, then the theoretical maximum points is (3 days x 24 hours x 60 minutes) = 4320 minutes / 70 minutes * 1k points = 61714 points.

So under the most optimum conditions possible a free player could out score one mountain. Barely.

I'm not at all trying to start a gem vs free player war here, because everyone can spend what they want. But I just thought I'd put out the basis for my statement that one mountain = one extra player in your guild. Most likely 1.5 players lol.