Epic Armor - New tier of armor

[Maximous2.0]

So from the banner its obviously higher than legendary.

Any ideas on how much higher the stats will, its level, etc.

The drop rate will be worse than current legendaries too most likely.

[Maximous2.0]

Here is the banner 3979

[EljayK]

Just got it. Looks like a water/spirit with a big ax. So...it's Eurus epic version? IDK. It doesn't look very epic when we just had a very similar armor design.

Also, however. I personally think that EPIC should be the star level for epic boss armor. But too late to change that across the board I guess.

[D3athShade]

Another try by GREE to get money out of our pockets

[ZERO_07]

Another try by GREE to get money out of our pockets
Agreed. A LOT of people are complaining about the huge number of 1 Stars in the DPC. The solution? Add a higher rarity armor type....

[BileJAR]

And Bkal+ Will be useless with a new Epic tier!

[FlipDaddy]

My thoughts exactly Bile

[Roark]

truthfully, Bkal+ friends didn't do as well on Epic Boss this week as Flame Summoner's Shroud+ did

[BileJAR]

well, gonna earn the bkal+ anyway. One more week.

[Akuma]

Kinda blows that we haven't even finished this event and now the bkal+ is rendered useless because of the greed from GREE. SMH!

[Musketeer]

The curls look more like wind is involved to me, but I'm still new to spotting armor designs. Is a big axe always associated with a particular element or combo?

I'm predicting stats totalling 100-200 more than current Epic Boss +armors.

I guess Gree want to ensure that their 'paying' customers dominate the Arena.

[gexstar]

The curls look more like wind is involved to me, but I'm still new to spotting armor designs. Is a big axe always associated with a particular element or combo?

I'm predicting stats totalling 100-200 more than current Epic Boss +armors.

I guess Gree want to ensure that their 'paying' customers dominate the Arena.

Im thinking it will be more than 100-200 than the current boss armors, since they wont release a new armor tier and make it worst than current legendaries. Aegis+ is about 400 stats better than the current boss armors so it i guess it will be at least as good as aegis.

[Sjedwards94]

I predict a 3k total with ~1.5k att and def

It's gonna dominate

[buchilala]

Could this be a water/spirit armor released in the next few days to counter the possible fire/earth final dragon?

[Roark]

so long as epic boss armors are 5* too, then I'm happy

[D3athShade]

so long as epic boss armors are 5* too, then I'm happy
Lol you wish, they wouldnt make profit out of it

[NickkyDC]

Seriously, I see so much of this, they have to profit crap, Honestly, this is one of the few games ive
played that generally dont need money to be spent. It just makes the game easier. you can fuse for almost all armors, and aside from maybe trying to hit top levels of epic bosses and arenas, gems arent neccessary. And for those fields, you can always use the videos for free ones. Personally im excited to know there will be new armors, dpc fusion idc how im just excited.

Now my guess is that it will be spirt + air. it falls under that look, but maybe they will be mono elements? possibly an epic spirit armor.

[Lieda]

Not only looks ugly but also the "coming soon to a chance chest near you" scares me... 000000000000,1% chance? No thx.

[SoloStar]

And for those fields, you can always use the videos for free ones.

Except that feature is pretty much broken atm.

[busteroaf]

Yeah, everyone saying "oh just more money for greedy GREE..." remember that this is a FREE-TO-PLAY game. By providing this game as such, ANYONE can play. The only way they can provide this is through ads (free video offers, app downloads, and the survey/credit card sign up type stuff) or by allowing the purchase of in-game currency. This is the same business model for 99.999999999999% of free-to-play games. Its either that or you can't possibly unlock the best stuff without 1000 friends sending you gifts everyday, or playing for months and months. Without these things to drive gem sales, they have no game. If they have no game, YOU have no game. These are micro-transaction cash cow games. Plain and simple.

[BileJAR]

Not sure why some people are angry at the fact that "OH IT'S A FREE GAME YOU DON'T GOTTA PAY" It is a free game, but if you can't see the fact that the chances of getting these items are sooo low it's near impossible and a waste of money for the people that actually give Gree money, then you're pretty stupid. Really, just sit there an think for a few seconds. "What are the chances of getting this armor?"

[ZERO_07]

No one is arguing that the game is not about profit. But the fact that the act of greed is so incredibly obvious, and the fact that you HAVE to shell out TOP dollar just to have a CHANCE (not even guaranteed) to get the best if not half-good stuff to be considered competitive in this game. I mean come on.


Things I would change about this game:
- Remove ALL 1 Stars from DPC and put them in the Gold Chests
- Make DPC chests 12-15 gems each
- Increase the likeliness of + Armors in DPC
- Unlock + version of Legendary craftable Armors at Level 30
- Make Daily Gifts that's something actually usable such as: Random 1 or 2 Star Armor, 5k-10k Gold, 5 Gems, 5 Fusion Stones, Gold key
- Fusion should guarantee that the resulting armor will NOT be any level lower than either of the combined armors.
- Make in-game rewards worth the time, More gems, Gold Keys, Fusion Stones etc. EXP, <5k Gold and 1 Gem is not really much of an incentive.
- Level cap at 100, more for aesthetic purposes, there's no point for the clicker to keep going up if Level 186 = 100

[D3athShade]

Yeah, everyone saying "oh just more money for greedy GREE..." remember that this is a FREE-TO-PLAY game. By providing this game as such, ANYONE can play. The only way they can provide this is through ads (free video offers, app downloads, and the survey/credit card sign up type stuff) or by allowing the purchase of in-game currency. This is the same business model for 99.999999999999% of free-to-play games. Its either that or you can't possibly unlock the best stuff without 1000 friends sending you gifts everyday, or playing for months and months. Without these things to drive gem sales, they have no game. If they have no game, YOU have no game. These are micro-transaction cash cow games. Plain and simple.

Oh yeah sure, just do videdo offers, surveys etc... I only get 1 video offer every 2 months!!! That is IF i'0 lucky, so dont bring your bullsh*t about offer. That system is so broken that its just retarded. And GREE tries to squeeze every penny out of you.

[Cind3r]

No one is arguing that the game is not about profit. But the fact that the act of greed is so incredibly obvious, and the fact that you HAVE to shell out TOP dollar just to have a CHANCE (not even guaranteed) to get the best if not half-good stuff to be considered competitive in this game. I mean come on.


Things I would change about this game:
- Remove ALL 1 Stars from DPC and put them in the Gold Chests
- Make DPC chests 12-15 gems each
- Increase the likeliness of + Armors in DPC
- Unlock + version of Legendary craftable Armors at Level 30
- Make Daily Gifts that's something actually usable such as: Random 1 or 2 Star Armor, 5k-10k Gold, 5 Gems, 5 Fusion Stones
- Fusion should guarantee that the resulting armor will NOT be any level lower than either of the combined armors.
- Make in-game rewards worth the time, More gems, Gold Keys, Fusion Stones etc. EXP, <5k Gold and 1 Gem is not really much of an incentive.
- Level cap at 100, more for aesthetic purposes, there's no point for the clicker to keep going up if Level 186 = 100

Well said!!!

I would also add a building that over time generates a small ammount of gems so atleast once a month you will have a chance to open a chest.

I play Dragonvale and the gem/gold model platform is perfect for a free to play game. You earn just enough gems per day to make you think that you are getting something for free however when new stuff comes out and you want it NOW you can just buy gems.

I think people see it as GREEd when the company pumps out content with out thinking of those who have worked for it rather than those who buy it.

One last thing, Do we actually know how this epic armor will be obtainable yet? seems like a lot of speculation, maybe it will be like nemisis? guaranteed when you open 11? or maybe the stats will be average but the armor will have an EPIC ability like a Damage over Time (DoT) or a faster special recharge???

[ZERO_07]

One last thing, Do we actually know how this epic armor will be obtainable yet? seems like a lot of speculation, maybe it will be like nemisis? guaranteed when you open 11? or maybe the stats will be average but the armor will have an EPIC ability like a Damage over Time (DoT) or a faster special recharge???
I doubt it, i think they'll just slap it in there, and make the chances of getting it extremely low, then they'll come with an event much like BK when it first came out where it was like 3x chance to get it when you open 11, but even then so i remember reading that people shelled out hundreds on gems and did not even get it even with the 3x chance.

[Jello]

GREEd has lowered the drop rate on a lot of other things like fusion stars and keys, and raised the miss ratio, and has done many things like this to tighten up the game.

I have farmed Skeletons Tomb thousands of times. Before the last update (1.32 I think), fusion stones would drop 1 out of 30-40 runs. Now I'm lucky if I get 1 out of 100 runs. I kept a spreadsheet for drop rates of skins at different levels, so I'm not just pulling numbers out of my butt. I'm hanging onto my remaining 16 stars for dear life now.

I lose 90% of my arenas because of their f'n miss percentage. When I have a Eurus+ 70 and miss TWICE on a sub-15 Jackalope (according to the armor graphic), that's BS. Of course I will win that one in the end, but what about the first one or two shots missed when hitting another level 70... My Eurus+ 70 is dead after 2 shots and half my Infernal+ 70 before I even get a hit on someone!

Anyone notice if you go back in on any of the dragons for a second time to finish him off, the first 2 boss hits on you are crits? So if you have 1200 health on the boss left and you know for instance Infernal+ will hit for around 650-750 (with 1 knight), you expect 2-3 shots and he's done. If he crits the first shot on you, you get a normal hit, then he crits on you again and you MISS, he hits you reg the 3rd time and you're dead with 400-600 health left on the boss! Again, Gree wanting you to spend those gems to guarantee your hits!

Little, yet blatant things like these are pissing me off to where it's not an enjoyable game anymore. I enjoy doing statistics and number crunching for levels and bosses and things like that. I have work, school, and a family so this game will take a backseat first over anything else. I've worked hard the last 3 weeks... after this last week's dragon, I'll probably take some time off from the game, maybe just collecting gold once a day.

[SoloStar]

There's microtransaction and then theres MICROtransaction games. When paying customers have to pay over hundreds of $ just for a 'chance' that we don't even know the percentage of, is asinine (I believe no game should cost over a couple hundred unless its a PC game with add-ons/expansions/patches). This is an iOS/Android game. The CRAP that they put in the game that takes little development time does not warrant the prices they put on said items.

You can say whatever you want about how we don't have to pay to play, etc but that's just a bad excuse for them to put more crap like that in the game.

[NickkyDC]

Then ask them to make the game cost 10 dollars flat rate, i mean geez, stop complaining its ridiculous, this is one of the least greedful games ive played. Are the chances low? maybe but they are still there. the video offers work just fine some time you gatta click it more than afew times. if i avidly sit and work on video offers i can make 50+ gems a day with little time and effort spent. At the beginning it seemed impossible to find fusion stones, now a days, i find like 2 or 3 a day. now it wouldnt be bad if they added a better way for fusion stones to be had. and secondly, I love that you can continue past 100 idc if it dosent help in the arena, I like the idea of showing off. Personally I dont think they should cap the growth though. it should keep growing with your level, but then wed have to many people crying because its too unfair. You all find a way to complain about something just enjoy the game. Its fun, cant spend money? then spend the time to be the best. If you only play casually? then your never going to be the best suck it up and deal. thats video games.

[Bearsuo]

Except that feature is pretty much broken atm.

I thought that too, and while it varies by region, try just tapping it a few times in a row. It loads videos for me every other time I try (without exiting any screens).

[Bearsuo]

GREEd has lowered the drop rate on a lot of other things like fusion stars and keys, and raised the miss ratio, and has done many things like this to tighten up the game.

A lot of the mobile advertising games - the "install this game for gems" things? are gambling related. If you deconstruct the game's trappings and recast it as a slot machine, it fits extremely well.

[Lord Ash]

A lot of the mobile advertising games - the "install this game for gems" things? are gambling related. If you deconstruct the game's trappings and recast it as a slot machine, it fits extremely well.

Yup an awesome medieval slot machine you get to play via Knights with friends... Awesome

[SoloStar]

I thought that too, and while it varies by region, try just tapping it a few times in a row. It loads videos for me every other time I try (without exiting any screens).

I've tried over 30-40 times. It's broken for a lot of us.

[Khaos1988]

I think a lot of you are forgetting the fact that they have a staff of programmers who have to keep maintenance on the game and also they have to pay for the artwork they release every week. They aren't as greedy as you all think...they are a business trying to keep their product on the market as long as possible so that they can maximize profit, and profit is not a dirty word. If it was your company or your game would you do any different? You can't honestly say you would. If you want the guild wars to be as good as the rest of the game then spend your $2-$100 as you will/can and support a game you like so that it stays alive, and stop whining cause you might not get the armor you want. It's all a game of chance.

[Roark]

mmm'alright

[littlefishxbj]

Does anyone know when will the new epic armor come out?

[Maximous2.0]

Does anyone know when will the new epic armor come out?
Nope. It's just coming to a chest near you soon.

[busteroaf]

There's microtransaction and then theres MICROtransaction games. When paying customers have to pay over hundreds of $ just for a 'chance' that we don't even know the percentage of, is asinine (I believe no game should cost over a couple hundred unless its a PC game with add-ons/expansions/patches). This is an iOS/Android game. The CRAP that they put in the game that takes little development time does not warrant the prices they put on said items.

You can say whatever you want about how we don't have to pay to play, etc but that's just a bad excuse for them to put more crap like that in the game.

Just because the armor is there doesn't mean everyone just automatically gets it, or better yet, entitled to it. And who said you'd have to pay hundreds for a chance? We don't even know how it will be released. But still... Ever played any other games? Do you have every last thing unlocked the second you boot it up? Do toons magically start at level 90 in WoW? No. You have to level, to unlock more stuff. And then once you get to level 20, can you just magically ride a mount? No, you have to buy one. Same at 40, then 60 and subsequent levels after that. Things are handed to you at the start to make it easy to play (much like this game) but... start raiding and see how often you have to go repeat over and over and over to get the gear you need just to get the next level of raiding. (Big Four to the Next Big Four progression anyone?)
People whining about the fact the drop rate will be ridiculously low and you'll have to buy gems... deal with it. Cause you know what, that's the life cycle of a game. The elite will get it and the mid level and low level people will b$tch because its not immediately available to them. It is Ultra Rare or whatever level it is. If EVERYONE has it, ITS NOT F&CKING ULTRA RARE ANYMORE!


Then ask them to make the game cost 10 dollars flat rate, i mean geez, stop complaining its ridiculous, this is one of the least greedful games ive played. Are the chances low? maybe but they are still there. the video offers work just fine some time you gatta click it more than afew times. if i avidly sit and work on video offers i can make 50+ gems a day with little time and effort spent. At the beginning it seemed impossible to find fusion stones, now a days, i find like 2 or 3 a day. now it wouldnt be bad if they added a better way for fusion stones to be had. and secondly, I love that you can continue past 100 idc if it dosent help in the arena, I like the idea of showing off. Personally I dont think they should cap the growth though. it should keep growing with your level, but then wed have to many people crying because its too unfair. You all find a way to complain about something just enjoy the game. Its fun, cant spend money? then spend the time to be the best. If you only play casually? then your never going to be the best suck it up and deal. thats video games.

^ This. Same example: WoW. If you play casually, you can hit the "LFR" (Looking for raid) raids and get gear, and progress enough that you can see the endgame content. But do you have the best gear? No, not by a long shot. If you want that, you have to get into a progression raid group and actually do the regular, and then heroic raids ("New" Epic Boss (since the damage has increased), and "New" Epic Boss +Versions). But if you don't have the time to get into a progression raid group... either, you make time, or you suck it up and move on and accept you'll always be mid-tier and nothing more. Again, not everyone is entitled to everything in every game. Learn and accept that fact and the game will become loads easier.


I think a lot of you are forgetting the fact that they have a staff of programmers who have to keep maintenance on the game and also they have to pay for the artwork they release every week. They aren't as greedy as you all think...they are a business trying to keep their product on the market as long as possible so that they can maximize profit, and profit is not a dirty word. If it was your company or your game would you do any different? You can't honestly say you would. If you want the guild wars to be as good as the rest of the game then spend your $2-$100 as you will/can and support a game you like so that it stays alive, and stop whining cause you might not get the armor you want. It's all a game of chance.

^ This again. I think people forget that businesses are peoples way of life. My bar: puts food on my table. By charging more for the burger and beer, that you pay well more for than you could if you bought it at the store and made it yourself... that profit I'm generating goes to paying staff, building rent/lease, other bills, etc, and then eventually my pocket. You don't want to pay high prices for the experience, for having someone wait on you, serve you, a nice night out away from home? STAY HOME! No one is forcing you to go out, much like GREE isn't forcing anyone to pay for anything. GREE is banking on people who spend money, and yes, do the free offers. Also, to those that don't get offers and thats another reason you complain, sorry some only get one or two video offers a month. Not my fault. Go complain to GREE and tell them to get more people in your country to support them.

[Gem Crusher]

Just because the armor is there doesn't mean everyone just automatically gets it, or better yet, entitled to it. And who said you'd have to pay hundreds for a chance? We don't even know how it will be released. But still... Ever played any other games? Do you have every last thing unlocked the second you boot it up? Do toons magically start at level 90 in WoW? No. You have to level, to unlock more stuff. And then once you get to level 20, can you just magically ride a mount? No, you have to buy one. Same at 40, then 60 and subsequent levels after that. Things are handed to you at the start to make it easy to play (much like this game) but... start raiding and see how often you have to go repeat over and over and over to get the gear you need just to get the next level of raiding. (Big Four to the Next Big Four progression anyone?)
People whining about the fact the drop rate will be ridiculously low and you'll have to buy gems... deal with it. Cause you know what, that's the life cycle of a game. The elite will get it and the mid level and low level people will b$tch because its not immediately available to them. It is Ultra Rare or whatever level it is. If EVERYONE has it, ITS NOT F&CKING ULTRA RARE ANYMORE!



^ This. Same example: WoW. If you play casually, you can hit the "LFR" (Looking for raid) raids and get gear, and progress enough that you can see the endgame content. But do you have the best gear? No, not by a long shot. If you want that, you have to get into a progression raid group and actually do the regular, and then heroic raids ("New" Epic Boss (since the damage has increased), and "New" Epic Boss +Versions). But if you don't have the time to get into a progression raid group... either, you make time, or you suck it up and move on and accept you'll always be mid-tier and nothing more. Again, not everyone is entitled to everything in every game. Learn and accept that fact and the game will become loads easier.



^ This again. I think people forget that businesses are peoples way of life. My bar: puts food on my table. By charging more for the burger and beer, that you pay well more for than you could if you bought it at the store and made it yourself... that profit I'm generating goes to paying staff, building rent/lease, other bills, etc, and then eventually my pocket. You don't want to pay high prices for the experience, for having someone wait on you, serve you, a nice night out away from home? STAY HOME! No one is forcing you to go out, much like GREE isn't forcing anyone to pay for anything. GREE is banking on people who spend money, and yes, do the free offers. Also, to those that don't get offers and thats another reason you complain, sorry some only get one or two video offers a month. Not my fault. Go complain to GREE and tell them to get more people in your country to support them.



Have you ever bought any gems? Or tried the DPC? When you read some threads and posts of some REALLY big gem spenders^1, they hardly get any value of their money. Ofcourse you could say 'it is their money, they wish to get the best armor possible. If they don't want to spend that much they should stop', but this also gives a sign to Gree that their business plan isn't upto par.
As a non-gem buyer I don't expect to get anything from the DPC that I opened from the daily gem offers, but I think that if people spend €100+ on junk, that's just bull...

^1 When I say "big gem spenders" I'm talking about the people who spend thousands of dollars on this game buying gems

[Matti1992]

I guess the thing is Gree would only lower the drop rates in the chests if people actually stopped buying the gems, and as long as they keep buying them, armors like this will always be incredibly rare. People might argue that their business model is flawed because they make their money from a few big spenders rather than lots of smaller spenders, but if it's working why should they change it?

[Marco_]

I thought that too, and while it varies by region, try just tapping it a few times in a row. It loads videos for me every other time I try (without exiting any screens).
Android, The Netherlands here: over the past week, I think I've gotten 3 gems total in spite of checking the store multiple times per day and then tapping something like 10 times each time...

[Marco_]

Then ask them to make the game cost 10 dollars flat rate, i mean geez, stop complaining its ridiculous, this is one of the least greedful games ive played. Are the chances low? maybe but they are still there. the video offers work just fine some time you gatta click it more than afew times. if i avidly sit and work on video offers i can make 50+ gems a day with little time and effort spent. At the beginning it seemed impossible to find fusion stones, now a days, i find like 2 or 3 a day.
"greedful" as in referring to games made by Gree?

Personally I like the "free to play" model of the PC game League of Legends a lot better.
- The only thing that's only purchasable through real money is cosmetic: skins
- Champions and rune pages can be bought both from in-game currency and real money (since you can use only one champion at a time, having 100 champions need not be an advantage over having for ex. 15)
- runes can only be bought from in-game currency (runes are a stat boost: they don't want to "sell power" for real money)
- in game currency is earned at a predictable rate through playing
The only "random" in the system is at which point a certain champion/skin will go on real money sale.
Some people end up with all the non-cosmetic content without paying a cent just because they're playing it 6+ hours/day, others spend hundreds of dollars on it to get all the pretty skins.


I think a lot of you are forgetting the fact that they have a staff of programmers who have to keep maintenance on the game and also they have to pay for the artwork they release every week. They aren't as greedy as you all think...they are a business trying to keep their product on the market as long as possible so that they can maximize profit, and profit is not a dirty word. If it was your company or your game would you do any different? You can't honestly say you would. If you want the guild wars to be as good as the rest of the game then spend your $2-$100 as you will/can and support a game you like so that it stays alive, and stop whining cause you might not get the armor you want. It's all a game of chance.
Hmm...
League of Legends:
- server farm probably 100 to a few thousands times as large
- new champion every ~3 weeks: 3D model, textures, at least 1 extra skin on launch, different skill sets from the other champions and not just some simple numbers tweaking, balancing so he/she's not over- or underpowered, checking for odd interactions with by now 114 other champions, terrain etc.
Comparatively, the manpower and money investment on new KnD content seems minute to me.

[busteroaf]

Have you ever bought any gems? Or tried the DPC? When you read some threads and posts of some REALLY big gem spenders^1, they hardly get any value of their money. Ofcourse you could say 'it is their money, they wish to get the best armor possible. If they don't want to spend that much they should stop', but this also gives a sign to Gree that their business plan isn't upto par.
As a non-gem buyer I don't expect to get anything from the DPC that I opened from the daily gem offers, but I think that if people spend €100+ on junk, that's just bull...

^1 When I say "big gem spenders" I'm talking about the people who spend thousands of dollars on this game buying gems

Yes, I have bought gems, and opened the DPC. And I've been to the casino. You know what, its the same rush. "One more time and I'll hit the jackpot... be lucky be lucky be lucky... 2 cherries? F%CK! Okay, ONE more time!"

And how do you think GREE's business plan isn't up to par? I'm not seeing them doing anything that any other game isn't doing. Its a solid business plan if you ask me. They made the bosses harder, thus more people are probably needing to spend gems to get boss kills, either in an extra special attack swing, or epic energy. They keep releasing new armor and you know what, people are getting them so its not like they're impossible to get. And they lowered the fusion stone drop rate. Now, maybe more people will be buying chests for the fusion stones out of the gold chests, or just straight to enhancement fodder from the dpc. More reasons for people to spend money on the game if they want to compete.

[busteroaf]

"greedful" as in referring to games made by Gree?

Personally I like the "free to play" model of the PC game League of Legends a lot better.
- The only thing that's only purchasable through real money is cosmetic: skins
- Champions and rune pages can be bought both from in-game currency and real money (since you can use only one champion at a time, having 100 champions need not be an advantage over having for ex. 15)
- runes can only be bought from in-game currency (runes are a stat boost: they don't want to "sell power" for real money)
- in game currency is earned at a predictable rate through playing
The only "random" in the system is at which point a certain champion/skin will go on real money sale.
Some people end up with all the non-cosmetic content without paying a cent just because they're playing it 6+ hours/day, others spend hundreds of dollars on it to get all the pretty skins.


Hmm...
League of Legends:
- server farm probably 100 to a few thousands times as large
- new champion every ~3 weeks: 3D model, textures, at least 1 extra skin on launch, different skill sets from the other champions and not just some simple numbers tweaking, balancing so he/she's not over- or underpowered, checking for odd interactions with by now 114 other champions, terrain etc.
Comparatively, the manpower and money investment on new KnD content seems minute to me.

You're also comparing a game designed for iphone/android against a PC game. Of course the manpower and money investment is completely different, from that fact alone. Its hard to play a MMO for 5 minutes and walk away for a few hours and come back. You'd never progress. This and every other iPhone/Android game is more geared towards the "I've got a few minutes on the bus, let me log in and collect my money, battle through a level, and then get off the bus." Also, the ease of playing is what makes people come back. They don't want to crunch numbers and figure out skills and balancing.
(Yes, we DO do this here, but for joe average, who isn't on the forums and just picked up the game, they want it to be "easy".)
You can't do that in 5 minute bursts. You're also trying to hook the wrong type of person if they have to think more than "water beats fire, so I'm picking this armor for this level to farm this item."

[EljayK]

I think a lot of you are forgetting the fact that they have a staff of programmers who have to keep maintenance on the game and also they have to pay for the artwork they release every week. They aren't as greedy as you all think...they are a business trying to keep their product on the market as long as possible so that they can maximize profit, and profit is not a dirty word. If it was your company or your game would you do any different? You can't honestly say you would. If you want the guild wars to be as good as the rest of the game then spend your $2-$100 as you will/can and support a game you like so that it stays alive, and stop whining cause you might not get the armor you want. It's all a game of chance.

It should be noted that Gree reported over 100 million dollars in earnings last quarter across it's games, and reported spending 4% on labor and fees. These types of games have the second highest profit margin of any business, with the exception of cable/phone service providing.

In comparison, a $60 game would make significantly less to make than a game like this, from the lack of upkeep. It will also only make $60 a player. These FTP games are a giant economic anomaly. They are well known for producing far over $300 per player. They spend less than 3% of their profit margin, on average. They are a huge sink hole.

League of Legends is also a different caliber of comparison. It is based on an idea that already existed on one of the biggest gaming fortunes in history. It is also done very well, with much more care and consideration than most iPhone games.

I fully understand the angst that is associated with the idea of Epic armors. I started at an awkward time. I'm level 102 and have yet to get an epic boss armor. My first 'chance' at one ended up being Jian. I didn't have the friends to make it, and the power increase discouraged me. Since then the power scale has made it difficult to advance on weeklys. Still, I have not spent a single gem. I rarely have a chance to get to wifi and try for free video offers. Still, I enjoy what it is. I will never be in the bronze+ medal group, and I will most likely never get a free armor for my damage to a boss. This is my mentality, however. It is understandable that those at the top tier, who have spent thousands over time, are concerned for the increased necessity to purchase gems. I believe the top tier spenders get screwed. Very hard. There is a significant exponential decrease in reward per dollar. The more you spend, the less your rewards are. That's how random chests work when the product isn't attainable long-term by a non-monetary play-stance.

All in all, give the Epic Armor some time. It will most likely pan out somehow in the end. If it doesn't, you are free to stop playing. It will be tough to stop, but their will be a game out there that loves you back eventually.

[Marco_]

League of Legends is also a different caliber of comparison. It is based on an idea that already existed on one of the biggest gaming fortunes in history. It is also done very well, with much more care and consideration than most iPhone games.
I've been playing that game for about 3 years now. AFAIK they started out with less than 30 people for all positions, the "we got to rush something for a quick launch" Adobe Air platform client has been complained about by the players all that time and there were lots of "this wasn't exactly designed to scale to 1 million+ people on the platform" things in the early years...

Compared to the startup Riot, Gree seems to have been an estabilished company with a bunch of titles under their belt before they released KnD, seemingly going for maximum profit for minimal effort. (compared to Riot's massive interaction with the players on their North American forums and drive to make esports popular) .

[mikieblue]

I started this post to talk about my prediction about the new armour releases & how i'd found my first
few weeks of playing K&D with some advice for other nubs. However i'll do this when i have more time as i'm supposed to be working & just wasted like 15mins typing the below but it's kind of an annoyance.
:P

Being fairly new to the game & already having spent ~£180-£200 ($300-$325) on gems + signing up for one of the offers for lovefilm for another free 185 gems + a few videos & whatever you get from the
achievements too, In total i must've had 600+ gems this month, maybe a little more.

The best I got from a DPC was a standard Storm Sorcerer & standard Sky Guardian. The next best
armour I got being a Monks vestment+ if that gives any indication just how crappy it was from like 40
shots. After this I proceeded to rank a few of them a little & using for fusion. I managed to acrew 50
stones & used all of them trying to get something **** based on combinations people posted on these forums. Still, I got NOTHING worth keeping.

Those who are saying that GREE have got this aspect of the game wrong are DAMN right. Anyone who spends that amount of money (esp considering i've only played for 2-3 weeks) should be
assured of getting something that is 99.99% unattainable for those who do not pay for gems.

If i'm honest i don't care enough to whine about dynamics of the chests etc but clearly this isn't
reasonable. I think GREE should be fair & give something REALLY awesome to those paying to keep the
game moving forward for them & the rest of you poor bums who don't spend :D.

It's not too late GREE!! Do it TODAY.. Hook a brother up! :D

eg. Once you spend X amount of $ on Gems. You get a ***** armour of your choice or at very least a free dragons bounty (375 gems)
Oh also, In addition to this there should be more and better titles for gem buyers.

[busteroaf]

Those who are saying that GREE have got this aspect of the game wrong are DAMN right. Anyone who spends that amount of money (esp considering i've only played for 2-3 weeks) should be
assured of getting something that is 99.99% unattainable for those who do not pay for gems.

If i'm honest i don't care enough to whine about dynamics of the chests etc but clearly this isn't
reasonable. I think GREE should be fair & give something REALLY awesome to those paying to keep the
game moving forward for them & the rest of you poor bums who don't spend :D.

It's not too late GREE!! Do it TODAY.. Hook a brother up! :D

eg. Once you spend X amount of $ on Gems. You get a ***** armour of your choice or at very least a free dragons bounty (375 gems)
Oh also, In addition to this there should be more and better titles for gem buyers.

Hmm. I disagree. They sucked you in and you've spent more in 2-3 weeks than I did in... what, 3-4 months? I'm not saying I'm better or worse than you because of it. I'm not comparing that, or saying anything about money spent. My point here is "they got you to fork over that amount of money that quickly"... from a business standpoint, they're doing it right. Honestly, take a step back and look at it from that perspective. You fell into their "business model" trap. And if you think GREE is the only one doing it? You've clearly never played other games before.

Also, if they gave away "something that is 99.99% unattainable for those who do not pay for gems" after a certain amount of money, when does it end? "Hey, I spent X+$100 more than that guy, I want something better!" Also "once you spend X amount of $ on Gems you get a ***** armour of your choice..." So, you basically endorse the idea of pay-to-win? You want to guarantee the best armor stays with the highest paying people. But, that doesn't always happen.
Thats the point of the lottery. Any Joe has the same chance as the next guy. I've opened "free" card packs in other games and gotten their highest tier (at the time) cards. But I also have the same chance to lose my money just like the next guy. You're essentially playing a lottery game with knights and dragons as the skin. Unless you can get ahold of Gree and convince them to comp something for you, they aren't going to give you the best suite in the casino... they're going to give you some free drinks and say "see you tomorrow sucker". Just sayin.

[SoloStar]

^

And League of Legends started off way worse than KnD and it's grown to be, what I think, the best form of getting what you pay for...or at least getting SOMETHING that's worth in 'quality' for what you pay for.

[Khaos1988]

Go download another game on IOS/android like Legend of the Cryptids or rage of Bahamut, even Immortalis...all different companies and all the same setup. Free to play with a few free handouts and then for the elitist you have premium currency to get the best line up. I spent 100's on LoC to try n get the best Ultra rare cards for my deck n the ones I did get were food for enhancement...sound familiar? Then one day a buddy of mine spends $20 and gets 2 of the cards I wanted for the longest time.

Same thing in K&D, I've got a friend on here who spent $25 and got a reg aegis...first time he had ever spent gems on DPC...it's a gamble.

[EljayK]

We've DEFINITELY gotten way off topic. So I'll just set this up here.

http://boingboing.net/2013/07/09/behavioral-economics-of-free-t.html


As far as new Epic Armor, I really just want the epic boss armor to start being called epic. Maybe it's just me, but I think a "free" (I know that will get argued with the topic of this thread) armor should take more to level than a chest "bought" armor. At the same time though, I think that the hard work to get them should be paid off with the time to level them by having equal-ish stats.

[ZERO_07]

To quote the link posted above:

This presents a challenge to the skills of the player, making them feel good when they advance due to their abilities. Once the consumer has been marked as a spender (more on this later) the game difficulty ramps up massively, shifting the game from a skill game to a money game as progression becomes more dependent on the use of premium boosts than on player skills.

If the shift from skill game to money game is done in a subtle enough manner, the brain of the consumer has a hard time realizing that the rules of the game have changed. If done artfully, the consumer will increasingly spend under the assumption that they are still playing a skill game and “just need a bit of help”.
This pretty much sums up the people who don't realize the game is just about money.

[Bearsuo]

Android, The Netherlands here: over the past week, I think I've gotten 3 gems total in spite of checking the store multiple times per day and then tapping something like 10 times each time...

Someone did post that European advertising is the weak link. English primary countries and Asia seem OK.

[Musketeer]

Moontide Platemail, Spirit/Water, 1587/1435

I wonder if this is more than 70 level to cap?

[Lieda]

1 Attempt, 30 gems gone,

1x torchflame armor.

not even a 3 star or 4 star?

no thx.

[buchilala]

Could this be a water/spirit armor released in the next few days to counter the possible fire/earth final dragon?

Called it!

[konofo]

Moontide Platemail, Spirit/Water, 1587/1435

I wonder if this is more than 70 level to cap?

Yes, it goes to 99.

[Marco_]

Moontide Platemail, Spirit/Water, 1587/1435

So 3022 combined max stats, which is 307 above Aegis+.

[Hirro]

So this is the first Epic tier level...

[EljayK]

Is it just me or is this armor unattractive? Doesn't look very epic.

[Jello]

Moontide Platemail, Spirit/Water, 1587/1435

I wonder if this is more than 70 level to cap?

Is this reg or plus? someone said reg was 1434/1287 so im assuming 1587/1435 is plus? what is the starting atk/def and increase per level? and you said its a level 99 armor?

[Lii]

Is this reg or plus? someone said reg was 1434/1287 so im assuming 1587/1435 is plus? what is the starting atk/def and increase per level? and you said its a level 99 armor?

Lol, level 99. Jello will you try calculating the EP/lvl for the Epic armor aswell? Feels like a daunting task.
Guess it will be some time before they become mainstream enough to do that though...

[Musketeer]

Is this reg or plus? someone said reg was 1434/1287 so im assuming 1587/1435 is plus? what is the starting atk/def and increase per level? and you said its a level 99 armor?

I didn't, but someone else did, and a third posted a picture of the regular version.

Gonna take a lot of EP and gold to get it to level 99.

[Jello]

Lol, level 99. Jello will you try calculating the EP/lvl for the Epic armor aswell? Feels like a daunting task.
Guess it will be some time before they become mainstream enough to do that though...

I would if I had gems to throw away at the chests. If I can get it through another means, I will track the EP/gold. I'm guessing it will be in the 8000 EP range and 6-8 million to enhance 1-99.

[topcopper]

The epic armor changes appearance at level 20.

[Thatzme]

U can fuse it from ancient dragons armors !!

Dragon armors? U can't find 2 dragons armors to fuse that due to elements. Did u fuse one dragon armor with another 4* instead?

[Jello]

Not that anyone would have done it yet (other than accidentally), but any idea on how many EP Moontide Platemail gives when enhancing another armor? Personal guess is 130 or 150.

[gardibolt]

Don't hate me, but the damned thing (regular, not plus version) dropped from the first dragon chest I opened. This is good enough for me. It starts at 552 att/503 def, and each level gains 9 att/8 def, which is kind of shabby really. The high start stats and the extra 29 levels are what makes it good, and it's going to cost a fortune to level it up that high. But at that rate of increase, it should end up at 1434 att/1287 def if my math is right (2721 total). So while not quite 3K still pretty respectable and worth keeping. I don't think I'll try for a plus version.

I only have mine up to lvl 14 so far, but it kind of looks like the basic water armor, which is a shade ironic. After the ever-fancier armors, the first five-star looks like the beginner armor. Well played, Gree. I had to laugh. But it twinkles, which is very, very cool.

I will keep sending you EP info on it, Jello, but it will be a good long time if ever before it ends up as EP fodder.

IGN: Billwyn
lvl: 88
Guild: Mountain Movers
Friends Code: XBD-CPW-VNZ

[littlefishxbj]

I would if I had gems to throw away at the chests. If I can get it through another means, I will track the EP/gold. I'm guessing it will be in the 8000 EP range and 6-8 million to enhance 1-99.
I recom it will be 15000+ep since lvl50 is 1500+ and lvl70 is 5000+, this one is 29lvl more than lvl 70 and lvl70 is only 20lvl more than lvl50

[gardibolt]

It took around 846 EP to get the Moontide up to lvl 20; compare to 656 to get a 70 to lvl 20. So, yeah, it will be a LOT of EP to get anywhere 99.

IGN: Billwyn
lvl: 88
Guild: Mountain Movers
Friends Code: XBD-CPW-VNZ

[c-rule]

I got 2 of them..

[deathexe]

I got 2 of them..

Are you referring to the WW+ and SS+ you got or two moontides?

[c-rule]

I got 2 epic 1 ww+ 1 ss+ on 11 keys

[deathexe]

I got 2 epic 1 ww+ 1 ss+ on 11 keys

Those aren't epic armors, those are ultra rare armors. Epic armors refer to the 5 star armor moontide platemail.

[c-rule]

Ok again 2 epic armos moontide . 1 ww+ 1ss+ and 2 moontide

[deathexe]

Ok again 2 epic armos moontide . 1 ww+ 1ss+ and 2 moontide

Oh okay, it was hard to interpret your previous post. Nice catch

[c-rule]

Sry for my english ... can u look the other thread with my fuzion question

[Nahuy87]

Has anyone of you succeeded in fusing the new epic armor moontide ?
I saw so many players in Android with one or even two moontide armor and they have beaten me
heavily :(
Did they open the dragon chest or they fuse it ?

[Sakino]

See the new epic armor on the guild wars screen? I think will be fire/something other, maybe magic.

[c-rule]

Magic and water

[Sakino]

Magic and water
I talk about the one obscured on the guild wars popup...

[sk8kidamh]

I think it's only a matter of time before GREE makes it available for free to players during some competition like Bkal+

[Sakino]

So, does the epic armor can be fused?

[C04dy]

Will this be still available in dark prince cheats? I'd love to open more but didnt have the funds thought week.

[Cind3r]

I cant create my own topics yet so i though it would fit here.

Any guesses on the next Epic? What elements wil it be? Is there some kind of story line behind them? How over powered would a starmetal epic be?

Im thinking a fire/air combo called 'Solar Wind'

[Maximous2.0]

I cant create my own topics yet so i though it would fit here.

Any guesses on the next Epic? What elements wil it be? Is there some kind of story line behind them? How over powered would a starmetal epic be?

Im thinking a fire/air combo called 'Solar Wind'

I'm pretty sure there will be a new star metal armor soon, and along with some old opinions, I also believe it will be Rainbow Starmetal Rainment. And it would be very strong but with the guild bonuses not completely overpowering.

[Marco_]

I'm pretty sure there will be a new star metal armor soon, and along with some old opinions, I also believe it will be Rainbow Starmetal Rainment. And it would be very strong but with the guild bonuses not completely overpowering.
Hmm, just thinking about it: on Android without the guild bonusses possible, Starmetal is actually relatively more powerful compared to non-Starmetal than on iOS, isn't it?

[KayOrzz]

prolly a golden starmetal if it happens, won't be a rainbow

[KayOrzz]

Hmm, just thinking about it: on Android without the guild bonusses possible, Starmetal is actually relatively more powerful compared to non-Starmetal than on iOS, isn't it?

for white plus, you'd prolly be able to squeeze past pre-jian armors, but you'd definitely be be toast post deva. white regular is just for achievements.

[Papa3G]

Will this be still available in dark prince cheats? I'd love to open more but didnt have the funds thought week.

I think so.
I got tempered battlegear+ after the pop up was disappear long time ago...

[Marco_]

for white plus, you'd prolly be able to squeeze past pre-jian armors, but you'd definitely be be toast post deva. white regular is just for achievements.
I hate the heat... I was using "(Black) Kaleidoscopic Starmetal Raiment" in my head, forgetting that BKal doesn't have Starmetal in the name...
I meant:
Kaleidoscopic VS the 5 elements with guild bonusses on iOS
and
Kaleidoscopic VS the 5 elements without guild bonusses on Android
So until guilds are added on Android, any Kaleidoscopic armors will have a bigger impact on Android than on iOS.
So I wonder if it would be smart to release an Epic Kaleidoscopic armor before Android gets guilds.