Epic Boss health

[Ulrich von Bek]

All hail the keepers of the knowledge.

I am level 84 and want to beat a boss 50 with free hits only.
what would be the min attack required to do this.
And how do you work out his health per level
I know his total health is over 11mill now, thanks GREE, but how is that broken down from from 1 to 50.
Cheers

von Bek
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[bostoncard]

In the past boss health could be fit with a simple formula: health = k * lv^l2 where k was a constant that depended on your level and lvl refers to the boss level. So, the health of boss 5 was 25 times as high as for boss one, etc.

I think that has changed a bit recently, as I found some of the later bosses had more health than would have been predicted by the formula. And certainly, boss 50 jumps off the curve.

BC

[Zachio]

I don't know how to calculate health at each level, but all you need to know is the health of boss 50 which is about 11 million. If you want to beat it free just divide how many hits you can do within the 2 hour window into 11 million. If you let me know your regen faction boost level and what regen boost units you have I can give you a good estimate of what your attack will need to be. Either PM me or post them here.

[Wheeler]

You need to know how many hits you can do in two hours. Then divide 11m by that number and it will tell you what your free hit needs to be. For example let's say you do 30 hits in two hours your free hit would have to be 366,667. The free hit is about 67% of your attack. So your attack would have to be 547,264. Those numbers are based off getting 30 hits in two hours some people have better health regen some have worse. Good luck.

[Ulrich von Bek]

Thanks for the reply BC.
By your formula would it be true to say his health doubles with every level.

[steveo127]

as far as I know the formula has not ben so stagnant. if I understand it correctly, the highest strength players in all of the game within your tier, are taken into account, and then they come up with some formula based on those numbers

[Ulrich von Bek]

I don't know how to calculate health at each level, but all you need to know is the health of boss 50 which is about 11 million. If you want to beat it free just divide how many hits you can do within the 2 hour window into 11 million. If you let me know your regen faction boost level and what regen boost units you have I can give you a good estimate of what your attack will need to be. Either PM me or post them here.

Good support guys, thanks
My level 84 has 125,373 attack and my level 45 has 65,712 attack, both have -10% health regen time.
Cheers

[Zachio]

Good support guys, thanks
My level 84 has 125,373 attack and my level 45 has 65,712 attack, both have -10% health regen time.
Cheers

With -10% health regen you can get in 15 attacks during the 2 hour window, so you would need roughly need 733,333 attack using all cash hits to beat boss 50. It takes you 23 minutes to regen 26% health which equals 2 attacks.

Strategy:
1. Trigger boss
2. Hit 3 times
3. wait exactly 1 minute
4. Hit 2 more times
5. Set timer for 23 minutes
6. Attack 2 more times

Repeat steps 5/6 until you beat the boss.

[Ulrich von Bek]

23 min, when I get the pop up saying 'I can fight again in xx min' its never the same time, it could be as low as 22.19 or 22.35. Never seen 23 min, very hard to work out the time, i use a stop watch. I have sent in tickets to GREE for clarification but all I got was their formula for stacking, as its not a full 1% but 0.9%. I can do 13 hits but 15 will be hard.
Anyway if the required attack is over 700k, I will keep saving the gold up, free hitting will take far to long to get there.
Thanks for your help

[heal]

When it starts getting harder, \sSet a timer to the second, obviously adding 1 minute and fire off straight away.

[Ulrich von Bek]

When it starts getting harder, \sSet a timer to the second, obviously adding 1 minute and fire off straight away.
I do that, I can get the first 3 hits in under 30sec, i always hit as quick and possible but can't account for lag or crashing etc
I think the unseen enemy GREE is an element none of us can factor in.lol

[heal]

aah, you participate in the force close event too. If your first hit is after 15 seconds, then do the 4th & 5th hit about 1 minute 20 into the event. All those seconds add up. Not much you can do about Gree's gift to android users (and I don't mean the valor units).

[Ulrich von Bek]

aah, you participate in the force close event too. If your first hit is after 15 seconds, then do the 4th & 5th hit about 1 minute 20 into the event. All those seconds add up. Not much you can do about Gree's gift to android users (and I don't mean the valor units).
Lol, nice one.
I will try the 1.20.

[bostoncard]

No. Going from level 1 to level 2 quadruples health. From 2 to 3 roughly doubles (9/4). From 3 to 4, it increases by 16/9, from 4 to 5 by 25/16, etc.

Another way to look at it is to compare the health at every level to level one. Thus it would go 1x, 4x, 9x, 16x, 25x, 36x, 49x, 64x, 81x, 100x... by the time you are at level 50 it is 2500x.

However, it is very hard to estimate the strength of the level 1 boss, because you can beat him with a single free hit. The only way to estimate the bosses baseline health is to find the point where you first require a second free hit. So, if the first time you require a second hit is at level 9, you know that the boss' baseline health will be somewhere between 1/64 (the level 8 strength) and 1/81 (the level 9 strength) of the hit points in each hit. For a free hit, that's 2/3 of your attack strength.

So, for example, if you have an attack strength of 210k, then each free hit you deliver 140k. If you can get him on free hits until level 8, then you know that his baseline strength is a bit less than 140,000/64 (2,187 pts) and a bit more than 140,000/81 (1728 pts). You can then plug in that x to the formula.

The next spot you can estimate strength is when you go from needing 2 to 3 hits. Suppose you now make it to level 11 with two free hits, and level 12 you need three free hits. You can figure out that his baseline strength is a bit less than 280,000/121 (2314 pts, though we already knew it was less than 2187) and a bit more than 280,000/144 (1944 pts). So now we have narrowed it down to 1944 to 2187. You can keep doing this to narrow it down further each time you need one more hit to beat the boss.

Or, keep your eye out on the forums, and someone will post their stats and number of hits required. Then just find someone in the same tier as you.

Hope it helps.

BC

[Giedrybe]

Good support guys, thanks
My level 84 has 125,373 attack and my level 45 has 65,712 attack, both have -10% health regen time.
Cheers

I don't want to offend you, but you won't be able to finish it with free hits. Especially when they changed the health of last 50th boss few events ago. I did boss 49th with 23 free hits last time, so without cash hits till the very end. But the 50th boss took 29 cash hits from me, so two medpacks. Or I would need 43 free hits for him.

As you have -10% regen, so it should be 15 hits. For boss in tier 3, which is closing for your secondary account, you need to have 695k attack in your profile. Of course, you can use cash hits and you should upgrade faction health regen to maximise your hits and hit damage, but it will still be huge attack figure considering you bring only 1000-1500 units into the battle.

Forget beating 50 bosses without gold with your current accounts. I know people who can do it, but their accounts look totally different compared to your accounts :)

[MadFox]

Giedrybe is always right when it comes to such statistics!
Sorry, but you won't even beat the boss for free if you had twice of your attack stats..



I don't want to offend you, but you won't be able to finish it with free hits. Especially when they changed the health of last 50th boss few events ago. I did boss 49th with 23 free hits last time, so without cash hits till the very end. But the 50th boss took 29 cash hits from me, so two medpacks. Or I would need 43 free hits for him.

As you have -10% regen, so it should be 15 hits. For boss in tier 3, which is closing for your secondary account, you need to have 695k attack in your profile. Of course, you can use cash hits and you should upgrade faction health regen to maximise your hits and hit damage, but it will still be huge attack figure considering you bring only 1000-1500 units into the battle.

Forget beating 50 bosses without gold with your current accounts. I know people who can do it, but their accounts look totally different compared to your accounts :)

[Ulrich von Bek]

I don't want to offend you, but you won't be able to finish it with free hits. Especially when they changed the health of last 50th boss few events ago. I did boss 49th with 23 free hits last time, so without cash hits till the very end. But the 50th boss took 29 cash hits from me, so two medpacks. Or I would need 43 free hits for him.

As you have -10% regen, so it should be 15 hits. For boss in tier 3, which is closing for your secondary account, you need to have 695k attack in your profile. Of course, you can use cash hits and you should upgrade faction health regen to maximise your hits and hit damage, but it will still be huge attack figure considering you bring only 1000-1500 units into the battle.

Forget beating 50 bosses without gold with your current accounts. I know people who can do it, but their accounts look totally different compared to your accounts :)
Not offended, very thankful for your input and the time you have just saved me. I have reached boss 24 for free on my lv84 and boss 27 with my level 45, I just wanted the challenge of doing it free and was prepared to wait till i built my stats up, avoiding all the nasty xp. I will use gold to finish.
A big thank you to all, this was my first thread, very pleased with your support.

[sbs2716g]

I am able to get up to lvl45 of tier 76-100 using free hits (23) with free attack of 150k.

[Zonfry]

23 min, when I get the pop up saying 'I can fight again in xx min' its never the same time, it could be as low as 22.19 or 22.35. Never seen 23 min, very hard to work out the time, i use a stop watch. I have sent in tickets to GREE for clarification but all I got was their formula for stacking, as its not a full 1% but 0.9%. I can do 13 hits but 15 will be hard.
Anyway if the required attack is over 700k, I will keep saving the gold up, free hitting will take far to long to get there.
Thanks for your help

Once you are no longer on full health, the regeneration timer will start, every 1 minute you will gain 1% of health. Your regen affects this, so if you have 33% regen, then you gain 1% of your health every 40 seconds. say you have no regen and take the full minute, then when you use all your hits, you will need to regenerate 25% of your health before you can hit again. if you were say, half way through one of your regen ticks, that means you will only need another 30 seconds to gain your first 1%, so you would need 24:30 before you can fight again. If you were 5 seconds off getting that tick, you would only need 24:05 before you could fight again, and if you were really early in your tick you could need 24:57. This is why your time before you can hit varies a little bit.

If you have 50% regen then its 30 seconds per tic and 12.5 mins for a full regen, so your time would be between 12:01 and 12:30 theoretically, although slightly less due to latency/lag.

[Ulrich von Bek]

Once you are no longer on full health, the regeneration timer will start, every 1 minute you will gain 1% of health. Your regen affects this, so if you have 33% regen, then you gain 1% of your health every 40 seconds. say you have no regen and take the full minute, then when you use all your hits, you will need to regenerate 25% of your health before you can hit again. if you were say, half way through one of your regen ticks, that means you will only need another 30 seconds to gain your first 1%, so you would need 24:30 before you can fight again. If you were 5 seconds off getting that tick, you would only need 24:05 before you could fight again, and if you were really early in your tick you could need 24:57. This is why your time before you can hit varies a little bit.

If you have 50% regen then its 30 seconds per tic and 12.5 mins for a full regen, so your time would be between 12:01 and 12:30 theoretically, although slightly less due to latency/lag.

That's a great explanation and i didnt know the health started to regen stright away, i thought it only started when it was empty, cheers blue

[Stooboot]

Good support guys, thanks
My level 84 has 125,373 attack and my level 45 has 65,712 attack, both have -10% health regen time.
Cheers

u have no shot without gold

[SSG]

Someone mentioned tiers as far as Epic bosses. I am level 164 with 438k attack and struggling to beat level 28 boss with all money hits. What are the tiers and when do they change? last event I made it to level 43 with little effort using all money hits.

SSG

[erickd271]

Boss Tier's (How much Health Boss 50 Has)
*Update the Boss Health Changed Last time
Lvl 5-25 Boss 50 has approximately 950k Health (Updated)
Lvl 26-50 Boss 50 has approximately 2.9 Million Health (Updated)
Lvl 51-75 Boss 50 has approximately 7.2 Million Health (Updated)
Lvl 76-100 Boss 50 has approximately 11.5 Million Health (Updated)
Lvl 101-150 Boss 50 has approximately 18.5 Million Health seems to be average (Updated)
Lvl 151-250 Boss 50 has approximately 38 Million Health (Updated)

[Captain Steelman]

Well, Im at lv191 and hit Boss 50, 2 times every 6 min, and needed 31 hits to kill him...

31 x 1.131.681 = 35.082.111 approx 35 mil in health.