save up, upgrade or buy?

[out of names]

I have an iph of 170k, 43mil in bank and i also have the executive coupe, should i upgrade my nightclub to 2, build another one, or save up for next ltb?

[Lurker]

Upgrade your first NC to lvl 2 then buy your 2nd NC.


I have an iph of 170k, 43mil in bank and i also have the executive coupe, should i upgrade my nightclub to 2, build another one, or save up for next ltb?

[Timala]

Upgrade your first NC to 2 before buying another one :)

[Nick Young]

With 43 mil in the bank I couldn't see the harm in buying one and upgrading the other unless you are waiting to see if we have a LTB. This late though, I don't think there will be.

[BigMoney]

Agreed with Lurker. You need two level 2 NCs before you even consider an LTB, preferably two level 3s. If rumors are true, next LTB looks like it's going to be garbage anyway, unless you can complete it to level 10.

[Kidkiller]

For your case... Its hard to tell since you'll only be able to buy one LTB and not upgrade it. Unless you start hunting for millions now you maybe able to upgrade it lvl2. But with current IPH I'll says it better upgrade NC to lvl2. At 412k IPH i make a rounded 10M$ a day so I probably choose to buy one and upgrade it as much as I can before the end, than buy the 2nd LTB before the end of the event. NC are there to stay.

[BigMoney]

With 43 mil in the bank I couldn't see the harm in buying one and upgrading the other unless you are waiting to see if we have a LTB. This late though, I don't think there will be.

If he only has $40-something million, the harm is that upgrading the NC to level 2 will triple it's payout (been a while, but I believe with Exec. Coupe the upgrade is ~$46mil) whereas buying a second NC for $40mil will only double your payout.

[out of names]

Oops, i mean upgrade my first to lvl 3

[Nick Young]

I see your point big money. It would be better to upgrade first. Sorry

[SinSir]

You bunch of trolls, OP only wants advice.

Don't spend your in game cash hold on to it as the new LTB(limited Time Building) goal be push out Monday so just wait upgrade some cheap building for little cost.

You forum people suc when you were noobs no one did that to you.

[BigMoney]

You bunch of trolls, OP only wants advice.

Don't spend your in game cash hold on to it as the new LTB(limited Time Building) goal be push out Monday so just wait upgrade some cheap building for little cost.

You forum people suc when you were noobs no one did that to you.

Please don't state your opinion as fact. For a more thorough rebuttal, please see: http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?58005-Night-club-or-toy-box&p=820324&viewfull=1#post820324

Relevant portion:

I think the Pagoda screws with this analysis, since it's such a strong building that you'd be really dumb to sit it out to upgrade NCs instead, but the Dockside Mills and Toy Boxes would be a bit easier to pass on. I don't think I can generalize this conclusion to someone whose IPH is too low to afford NCs yet. In that case, it seems clear to me that their money would be better spent on a NC and a level 2 upgrade ($106mil) than, for example, a Dockside Mill ($75mil) which only earns them a 371/305 item. If their IPH is low enough that it takes them the length between LTB events to save up that much, it's a no-brainer to choose the NC. No bonuses, that's $87.5k/hr for the NC, and $24.6k/hr for the DM (plus the 371/305 item). A $60k/hr difference times ~a month in between events is clearly enough to push one farther in a future LTB, in my opinion. I think I would need specific numbers (IPH, upcoming LTB, etc), but based on all of this that I just did, if I were the OP, I would be shooting for two level 2 NCs ($4.2mil per day with perfect collection, no bonuses) before starting any LTB events. Perhaps I'd even wait until I had two level 3 NCs ($8.4mil per day with perfect collection, no bonuses). Just with those buildings, 2lvl2NCs --> $9 mil short of level 2 Toy Box, 2lvl3NCs --> $23mil short of level 3 Toy Box. For the former, you could easily make that up by collecting just $18.8k/hr from the rest of your hood, and if you're purchasing NCs, you likely have an IPH above $18.8k. Similarly, you'd need an IPH (or IPH+robPH) of $48k/hr to make up the difference. Clearly, these three items:

Passions Party Favor - 402/298
Red Light Scrapper - 518/416
Hot Night - 823/461

are better than just one Dockside Mill item.

Final Verdict:
low IPH, no NCs-- build at least two level 2 NCs before starting an LTB event.
IPH > $750k-- don't sit out an LTB.

[nopenopenope]

Pay no attention BM, clearly too much acid was dropped in life...

[Jazza]

Save and wait for the ltb, once its gone its gone, you can upgrade / buy nightclubs any time you want

[Lurker]

Money quotes -

"Final Verdict:
low IPH, no NCs-- build at least two level 2 NCs before starting an LTB event.
IPH > $750k-- don't sit out an LTB."

Sin sir, stop being an uninformed troll. You sound stupid but I'm sure you know that already.

[Lurker]

That depends on the LTB. The Chinese Pagoda was possibly a great option for LTB over NC but even that is debatable.

Other LTBs not as much.

1 lvl 2 NC (x3 collections/day) is still better than a lvl 3 pagoda, which by all accounts is the "best" LTB released till date.

Big Money's final verdict is right on target.


Save and wait for the ltb, once its gone its gone, you can upgrade / buy nightclubs any time you want

[Legen...dary]

Yep, Big Money, all the way. You will miss one LTB to vastly increase your IPH and future ability to get two future LTB's and upgrade one. LTB's aren't going to stop being made, so the "Limited Time" factor can only be included if they are one of the best buys for your near future. I doubt we'll see another LTB as good as a Pagoda any time soon, but you may be trading a L1 and a L3 Toy Box equivalent for a single, lesser, LTB right now. Go NC's to L2 or L3 if you can barely afford the LTB.

[bald zeemer]

Agree 100% with big money. Get your NCs up, you'll get your iph to a point where you can buy 2 of each of the upcoming LTBs, much better than blowing it now for 1 relatively weak LTB.

*note: for those with higher IPHs, I use "relatively" literally. This LTB is a lot weaker than other LTBs, but is still a strong building overall.

[sister morphine]

Yes, totally agree with Big Money's analysis, which should be framed and hung on the wall.

The pagoda was exceptional, but for the last few LTBs when it came to the final upgrade I could manage before the end I've compared the iph boost from that with my nightclub. The clubs have won every time on that score which has greater long term benefits than whatever prize might come from doing a level 6 (usually) upgrade on the LTB. That might change this time because my next nc upgrades are over a billion, but if reports are true that this new one is an 18 hr job I won't be so inclined to run that up quick either

[murf]

The one thing everyone is missing in their analysis is how often you collect...

If you are collecting 2.4 NC a day (2 full, and 1 robbed in the morning), and collecting 2 12hr's full each day, the Toy Box was almost definitely a better purchase (because of it's limited nature and very good mid-late level bldg).

And I wouldn't be surprised if after analysis the Transtech and Dockside came out OK, if you collect 24's and 48 hr's 100%.

[bald zeemer]

Transtech and Docks are already 2 of the 5 most powerful buildings in the game. People just balk at the high upgrade costs.

[Rollster]

dont save for LTB, the prize are released later for a few gold or for free.

a fact.

[BigMoney]

dont save for LTB, the prize are released later for a few gold or for free.

a fact.

Yeah, and you certainly wouldn't want two 2k+ items for free, would you.

[Fatherllama]

Transtech and Docks are already 2 of the 5 most powerful buildings in the game. People just balk at the high upgrade costs.

Powerful, yes, but inefficient even compared to, say, a Casino. Especially for someone with low IPH, they were not a good buy. The Toy Box is pretty efficient at level 1, as the next LE is likely to be. That said, the OP should upgrade to NC2 and hold off on LE buildings till his IPH is a lot better than it currently is, as BM and others have said.

[murf]

Powerful, yes, but inefficient even compared to, say, a Casino. Especially for someone with low IPH, they were not a good buy. The Toy Box is pretty efficient at level 1, as the next LE is likely to be. That said, the OP should upgrade to NC2 and hold off on LE buildings till his IPH is a lot better than it currently is, as BM and others have said.

I still think you are missing his collection schedule...NC are great, yes. But if you only collect them 2.4 x's, they are only 60% as great, and then other buildings may become an option.

So, saying NC as a blanket statement might be misleading.

[Rollster]

Yeah, and you certainly wouldn't want two 2k+ items for free, would you.

yup cuz i prefer buy 4 crate at 250k i got more power than 2k and save money, not less money but big amount i can save.

and for pagoda i save many money, just look the car from Hiden evidence, i can have maybe for free.. i'm at 5/8 for this and 5/10 for box.. all cash options.

that an evidence. like the 30% modifier who ipay and the other can have for free.

i don't like to pay for item who they are released after for free or less gold.

just Gree need to change this way. i'm not going to speed for have item now..

[murf]

yup cuz i prefer buy 4 crate at 250k i got more power than 2k and save money, not less money but big amount i can save.

and for pagoda i save many money, just look the car from Hiden evidence, i can have maybe for free.. i'm at 5/8 for this and 5/10 for box.. all cash options.

that an evidence. like the 30% modifier who ipay and the other can have for free.

i don't like to pay for item who they are released after for free or less gold.

just Gree need to change this way. i'm not going to speed for have item now..

You are the only one talking about spending gold in this thread. The OP was talking about in-game cash. I'm not sure where you are going with this gold argument.

And yes, current items will be cheaper in the future, that is how stat inflation works. But if you are going to spend gold, at some point you just have to spend it. Those items you get in your crates will be cheaper in the future as well.

[bald zeemer]

So is that why your stats are so high? Alongside all those 0 iph players who are missing the LTBs?


Powerful, yes, but inefficient even compared to, say, a Casino. Especially for someone with low IPH, they were not a good buy. The Toy Box is pretty efficient at level 1, as the next LE is likely to be. That said, the OP should upgrade to NC2 and hold off on LE buildings till his IPH is a lot better than it currently is, as BM and others have said.
If you have a low iph you should be on NCs. Casinos aren't in the equation, let alone the more expensive LTBs.

The thing is low iph is a temporary situation. The power of these buildings is not.

[Rollster]

i dont talk about gold for this event.

i talk about gold for buy 4 crate.

i use cash option always.

[bald zeemer]

So how is the stats you get from crates in any way related to the stats you get from LTBs?!

Apart from the fact that they are miniscule in relation.

[Fatherllama]

So is that why your stats are so high? Alongside all those 0 iph players who are missing the LTBs?


If you have a low iph you should be on NCs. Casinos aren't in the equation, let alone the more expensive LTBs.

The thing is low iph is a temporary situation. The power of these buildings is not.

No reason to get snippy about it. The point I was trying to make is that growth is exponential. Hamper your IPH now and it has long-term repercussions, particularly involving big ticket items. Thus, for those at lower IPH, the Mill and Transtech were not a good buy.

[bald zeemer]

The part above the quote was directed at rollster and his incoherent ranting.

The part below the quote was responding the to the quoted text.

[Lurker]

Murf

My previous post did mention collection times as a factor. A 3x collection on NC lvl 2 is not bad at all. It's better than a 1x lvl 3 CP.


I still think you are missing his collection schedule...NC are great, yes. But if you only collect them 2.4 x's, they are only 60% as great, and then other buildings may become an option.

So, saying NC as a blanket statement might be misleading.

[out of names]

I collect 3 times and i accidentaly wrote upgrade first nightclub to 2, i meant to ask if i should take it to level 3

[Lurker]

Just my opinion. After upgrading both NCs to lvl 2 (NC 1 to to 2; repeat), I have decided on taking my 1st lvl 3 pagoda to lvl 4. Will repeat that for the second pagoda then return to upgrading NC 1 and 2 to level 3.

I am not building the ugly-ass distillery 18-hour LTB - so my decisions are driven by the upgrade path above.

[out of names]

Ya this ltb sucks its looks and 18 hours collection time, defenitly not gnna buy it, just not sure if i should upgrade my nc to 3 or buy a new one

[ShawnBB]

This 18 hour building has very good quality. Small space with High Iph/ROI ratio.

I think anybody has 2 lvl2 NC or better should consider keep 2 of them at hood.

[Mack The Knife]

Based on what seems to be some very solid advice I've purchased my first NC( Sucks that it takes 6 days to complete). my stats are similar to the OP's.
I'll focus on upgrades. With modifiers I get 51% off, which definitely helps. I don't remember where the coup came from, but Im happy I got it.

[Beardy]

Based on what seems to be some very solid advice I've purchased my first NC( Sucks that it takes 6 days to complete). my stats are similar to the OP's.
I'll focus on upgrades. With modifiers I get 51% off, which definitely helps. I don't remember where the coup came from, but Im happy I got it.

The Coupe was from the PVP event last month. Was the prize for goal 5 I think. Pretty much everyone got it.

[Fatherllama]

The part above the quote was directed at rollster and his incoherent ranting.

The part below the quote was responding the to the quoted text.

Gotcha. People on these forums have a habit of posting above quotes, so I never assume.

[c00guy]

I'm gonna get that shiny new building! Nice weapons on this one :D