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The Wise One
07-17-2013, 05:14 PM
Attention Knights!

The Dark Prince has just unleashed a new boss that's approaching your castle walls fast! Defeat Notus Tyrant of the South to collect keys, items, gems, and a Limited Edition armor set! Notus Tyrant of the South will be here for a limited time only, so act now!

Find and deal bonus damage using the nemesis armor set and compete in the Damage Leaderboards for a chance to win even more rewards.



http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a538/giiforums/064ba7ec-d525-47f0-a75c-fe2ab1b80ba3_zpsca5862d1.jpg?t=1374106476

aznzeon
07-17-2013, 05:17 PM
armor doesn't really suit the elements now does it

Musketeer
07-17-2013, 05:21 PM
Ooh, what a crappy att stat for this legendary. Notus' Defence is already ramping up faster the Boreas' did.

Maximous2.0
07-17-2013, 05:21 PM
I have the nemesis this week and it will be maxed tonight or tomorrow morning. I am lv 93 and my code is XBC-GYF-NXV. If you have nemesis for this week send dat friend request

Lieda
07-17-2013, 05:27 PM
Finally a boss where my commander's main armor can shine! Wonderfully womderfulness (thats probably wrong) idc! ^_^


Btw this boss armor is ugly...

Sakino
07-17-2013, 05:29 PM
Very ugly boss and armor... Hope to do better than 33 this time...

billiamwallace
07-17-2013, 05:32 PM
Grabbed nemesis this week. Lvl 103 looking for others at 100+ with nemesis as well. My code is XBB-HDW-PHX.

Roark
07-17-2013, 05:37 PM
does anyone else spend EE on the first day so as to get to the point where you actually need friends and not waste them?

Hai2yooo
07-17-2013, 05:45 PM
does anyone else spend EE on the first day so as to get to the point where you actually need friends and not waste them?

YES...i reached 14 and ive used one night for 1-13. i used 2 for 14 because i recall last boss there was a big uptick at 14. im using infernal lord+ but its level 59 tho. not sre if i want to max cause im farming for the boss armor =/ lol.

i usually use friends for epic level for dark prince stage js to farm resources and level up faster.

off topic...so im sure we cap at overall HP at a certain level but does our stats also cap? do you or anyone know what level is that cap? 100? i nvr noticed til now n im lvl 115

ZERO_07
07-17-2013, 05:47 PM
I'm not doing the event, that being said is this armor worth getting the + version for? Or should I just hold onto my gems and gold?

BileJAR
07-17-2013, 05:48 PM
Grabbed nemesis this week as well. Lvl 102 looking for others at least 90+ and preferably nemesis as well. My code is XBB-HDW-PHX.

Please accept my request. I need people with nemesis, I have shaman+ mxed, it doesn't help much but pleeeasseeee!

gexstar
07-17-2013, 05:57 PM
Combustion Armor would be the best for this one, max em if you got em... :D

busteroaf
07-17-2013, 06:02 PM
I'm not doing the event, that being said is this armor worth getting the + version for? Or should I just hold onto my gems and gold?

If you're going for the BKal+ armor, then yes its worth getting the +.

ZERO_07
07-17-2013, 06:05 PM
If you're going for the BKal+ armor, then yes its worth getting the +.
And if you're NOT going for the BKal+? That was my question.

D3athShade
07-17-2013, 06:20 PM
Meh just going to craft it for the cape... Won't even bother leveling this one. Ugly armor and weak attack

Demonic Lord
07-17-2013, 06:25 PM
Crafting armor in the first 5mins it came out looks lame but gotta get that blk kald+

busteroaf
07-17-2013, 06:29 PM
And if you're NOT going for the BKal+? That was my question.

I know, pardon my smartass-ness. Its has less attack (1084 vs 954) and more defense (1269 vs 1364) (2352 vs 2318 total stats) than Sky Guardian+, and slightly lower stats overall. But, its rare you'll find a SG+, so... depends on what you need for a Spirit/Air combo.

Compared to Roc+, just slightly less attack again: 982 vs 954, but way more def: 899 vs 1364. Total stats (1881 vs 2318)

D3athShade
07-17-2013, 06:52 PM
hmmm question: only got living flame + maxed. I have the fire/spirit and the mono fire (both normal) from previous bosses but they are only lvl 5 or so. Which should i max? Thanks

Musketeer
07-17-2013, 06:59 PM
hmmm question: only got living flame + maxed. I have the fire/spirit and the mono fire (both normal) from previous bosses but they are only lvl 5 or so. Which should i max? Thanks

I'd got for fire/spirit (Pyromancer), more useful in the Arena.

I've got the mono fire Legendary materials but haven't bothered to craft it, it just seems so lame.

Musketeer
07-17-2013, 07:01 PM
YES...i reached 14 and ive used one night for 1-13. i used 2 for 14 because i recall last boss there was a big uptick at 14. im using infernal lord+ but its level 59 tho. not sre if i want to max cause im farming for the boss armor =/ lol.

i usually use friends for epic level for dark prince stage js to farm resources and level up faster.

off topic...so im sure we cap at overall HP at a certain level but does our stats also cap? do you or anyone know what level is that cap? 100? i nvr noticed til now n im lvl 115

Infernal Lord is a bad choice you're getting hit 50% harder by this boss.

All Knights' stats cap at level 100

D3athShade
07-17-2013, 07:10 PM
I'd got for fire/spirit (Pyromancer), more useful in the Arena.

I've got the mono fire Legendary materials but haven't bothered to craft it, it just seems so lame.

Yeah problem is its only normal version. Never got the chance to beat a boss lvl 43 :( oh well, someday ill make it. Lvl 88 or 89 now

shukai84
07-17-2013, 07:31 PM
already crafting the amr and pushing for lvl 30! need help for fire amr~~~

D3athShade
07-17-2013, 08:23 PM
already crafting the amr and pushing for lvl 30! need help for fire amr~~~

Dafuq already? :s you must have spent gems on EE..

EX1153
07-17-2013, 08:45 PM
So who else is excited to try and grind materials and enhance this thing?

Also anyone know the max stats for the nemesis yet? Not sure if I want to try for it or stick with maxed admirals+

musizian
07-17-2013, 08:48 PM
twin jian or living flame armour better for my main knight? I maxed both!!

billiamwallace
07-17-2013, 09:15 PM
So who else is excited to try and grind materials and enhance this thing?

Also anyone know the max stats for the nemesis yet? Not sure if I want to try for it or stick with maxed admirals+

Maxed at 528a 438d. The way I look at it, I'm not comparing it to Admiral's or Pyromancers, but to the armor I would have in my #3 slot, since I'll still be using the other two anyhow.

ZERO_07
07-17-2013, 11:17 PM
I guess I'll try to get the + since I doubt I'll ever get SG+.

Anyone who is high level with good Fire or Earth or Nemesis armor please add me! I'd like to get as many kills on this guy as I can before I spend gems on summons.

daniellwp
07-18-2013, 12:01 AM
dark prince or pyromancer's armor will be effective... but too bad i have neither yet...
some queries and hope someone has the answer for it:

1. Anyone has successfully fused dark prince armor before? (i am still quite far from the kingdom of darkness yet wanna get this armor ASAP)
2. If i fused one armor and upgraded to + version, will my subsequent fused version (same armor) be + or just normal armor?

deathexe
07-18-2013, 12:06 AM
dark prince or pyromancer's armor will be effective... but too bad i have neither yet...
some queries and hope someone has the answer for it:

1. Anyone has successfully fused dark prince armor before? (i am still quite far from the kingdom of darkness yet wanna get this armor ASAP)
2. If i fused one armor and upgraded to + version, will my subsequent fused version (same armor) be + or just normal armor?

1. I've never see a DP being fused before, so I doubt it's possible. Even if it was it would be a very small chance.

2. It'll be the normal version only.

Bearsuo
07-18-2013, 02:26 AM
So I'm going to fess up to accidentally doing the first dozen and so with a secondary knight and being annoyed that Notus seemed to be ramping up a little early...

vubby
07-18-2013, 02:47 AM
I've calculated that the Inf Lord is still an acceptable armour compared to the living flame since the defense of Inf Lord is about 1.4x more than LF so that nearly compensates for the 1.5x elemental bonus the dragon has on you while dishing out a lot more damage from the double elemental bonus and much greater attack.

For someone like me who doesn't have anything else, I'll be using them on two of my knights.

Marco_
07-18-2013, 02:54 AM
Infernal Lord is a bad choice you're getting hit 50% harder by this boss.

Did someone do math on 2 strengths + 1 weekness VS 1 strength + 1 neutral already?
Maybe something to be added to the spreadsheet?

palehorsem4n
07-18-2013, 03:28 AM
2/1.5=1.33
1.5/1=1.5

One strength, no weaknesses is better unless the stat increase is greater than 12% on the dual strength/1 weakness armor. If the stat increase is more attack-based it will taper off more quickly than a "tank" type armor.

Musketeer
07-18-2013, 07:06 AM
I've calculated that the Inf Lord is still an acceptable armour compared to the living flame since the defense of Inf Lord is about 1.4x more than LF so that nearly compensates for the 1.5x elemental bonus the dragon has on you while dishing out a lot more damage from the double elemental bonus and much greater attack.

For someone like me who doesn't have anything else, I'll be using them on two of my knights.

Interesting point. My infernal Lord+ isn't capped yet, so my LF+ capped is good for my +2 knight, while I continue levelling Pyromancer+ on my Main.





AAARGH! They got me. I got to level 15 last night, and this morning decided to sell a training ground and put up an armorsmith to start the Notus armor brewing, while still leaving two armorsmiths for creating upgrading armors.

What? Since when did Armrosmiths cost gems? Twenty gems?

Maybe they always cost gems, I don't recall, but I didn't have 20 gems, and now I had an empty space.

OK, since I hate spending money on gems and the free offers never work for me, back goes the training ground.

Oh crud I forgot, 8 hours to rebuild. Now I have a partly built training ground to replace the one I had ten seconds earlier, and no hope of a 4th armorsmith for several weeks. Aargh, that won't do.

Holy Gemspending Batman! OK, buy some gems (grrrrr), delete the training field I just started (costs gems to finish & sell as there's no cancel button), build the freaking armorsmith after all (at least that only takes 30 seconds), and upgrade a bunch of training fields to level 3 with my remaining gems.

So they got me to spend gems through this event after all. m still not sure I'lll get the BK+ at the end of it, or even that I want it as it destroys the whole strategy of the game, but I'll keep crafting and see where I get to.

EljayK
07-18-2013, 07:12 AM
Interesting point. My infernal Lord+ isn't capped yet, so my LF+ capped is good for my +2 knight, while I continue levelling Pyromancer+ on my Main.

So they got me to spend gems through this event after all. m still not sure I'lll get the BK+ at the end of it, or even that I want it as it destroys the whole strategy of the game, but I'll keep crafting and see where I get to.

I can't get BK+ and still never bought gems. I can only imagine your pain. I'm also using Infernal this week, since I don't have Pyro+. It's at lvl 59 I think with plenty of gold and about 12 fusion stones and 2 fire fusion armors. So it won't take long at all. Still have LF+ though, and haven't even started crafting first Dark Prince. Haven't checked stats on it, haven't been worried about it.

Jello
07-18-2013, 07:26 AM
What? Since when did Armrosmiths cost gems?

if i remember correctly:

1st armorsmith is free or 50 gold
2nd - forgot how much 2nd one is
3rd is 5000 gold
4th is 20 gems.

im not sure what the cost is to level up to 2 & 3 on the 4th armorsmith.

Musketeer
07-18-2013, 08:00 AM
If i remember correctly:

1st armorsmith is free or 50 gold
2nd - forgot how much 2nd one is
3rd is 5000 gold
4th is 20 gems.


I'm not sure what the cost is to level up to 2 & 3 on the 4th armorsmith.

First was free I think. That makes sense, in that a 4th Armorsmith is really a luxury, and I don't recall paying gems before.

Levelling costs are the same regardless, 10k for level 2, 10 gems for level 3.

Silent follower
07-18-2013, 08:13 AM
if i remember correctly:

1st armorsmith is free or 50 gold
2nd - forgot how much 2nd one is
3rd is 5000 gold
4th is 20 gems.

im not sure what the cost is to level up to 2 & 3 on the 4th armorsmith.

Upgrades are normal cost, no increases in them.

5th armorsmith costs 40 gems.

Building time for the fourth gems priced armorsmith was one second. It was immediately ready. No hours waiting for it.

Musketeer
07-18-2013, 09:13 AM
Upgrades are normal cost, no increases in them.

5th armorsmith costs 40 gems.

Building time for the fourth gems priced armorsmith was one second. It was immediately ready. No hours waiting for it.

The fourth, or the fourth you have to pay gems for? Mine took 30 seconds for the 20 Gem armorsmith (4th in the castle).

Bearsuo
07-18-2013, 10:04 AM
I've calculated that the Inf Lord is still an acceptable armour compared to the living flame since the defense of Inf Lord is about 1.4x more than LF so that nearly compensates for the 1.5x elemental bonus the dragon has on you while dishing out a lot more damage from the double elemental bonus and much greater attack.

For someone like me who doesn't have anything else, I'll be using them on two of my knights.

I tried HDHA, and two crits wiped out my secondary. LF has been serving me better.

ZERO_07
07-18-2013, 10:10 AM
I'm thinking about doing the same to be honest, but not sure if it's worth it for me at my point in the game?

I have 5 Maxed out Training fields and the 6th is level 2, but I'm thinking of getting rid of it for the 4th Armorsmith. I'm not sure if that's wise though since I still have 5 Expansions left, but 500,000 is too much for me right now, since I pretty much reduce my gameplay to just grinding levels on story or Arena in order to wait to save up that amount. I'd much rather be crafting and leveling up armors.

buchilala
07-18-2013, 10:20 AM
I have infernal lord + at 60, and flame summoner + at 34. I'm assuming maxing inf+ is better, just wondered about defensive of summoner being more helpful once I hit 35+.

Musketeer
07-18-2013, 11:24 AM
I'm thinking about doing the same to be honest, but not sure if it's worth it for me at my point in the game?

I have 5 Maxed out Training fields and the 6th is level 2, but I'm thinking of getting rid of it for the 4th Armorsmith. I'm not sure if that's wise though since I still have 5 Expansions left, but 500,000 is too much for me right now, since I pretty much reduce my gameplay to just grinding levels on story or Arena in order to wait to save up that amount. I'd much rather be crafting and leveling up armors.

You really need to keep saving for those expansions, they are THE biggest hump in the game to get over, and the biggest pain.

Once you have your castle filled with training fields, then you can decide on 3 or 4 armorsmiths. Now I've paid gems for my 4th I guess I'll have to keep it. I was hoping to be able to flip back and forth as circumstances required.

Hjon
07-18-2013, 11:27 AM
I am lvl 113 and got 2x+ armor. they are epic versus notus. dark prince armor 1580 attack and battel worn rigelia 1500 or someting. and one regular battelworn rigelia at max lvl. dark prince is ar max lvl and + verson of rigeli is at lvl 59. i can help löw lvl player if they add me throw friend code.

Friend code is: XBB-QNH-PRP
i only accept folks for one day from now. so go add me fast. i am at place 263 at damage leaderbord. maybe it has changed lst i checked was on 263.

overcire
07-18-2013, 12:53 PM
Zero: sell all of the smiths. You need gold production. I went one 50+, 500k exp. Rest of 50+, 1M exp. One 70+, 2m exp. Still poor. I decided that 3 smiths were all I could afford. 2 for ep production, one for long armor builds. The expansions are hard to save for, but the sooner the better.

Roark
07-18-2013, 01:03 PM
Cire you use 3 smiths right now?

D3athShade
07-18-2013, 01:07 PM
is it just me or is this boss harder then the previous one? =/ i'm at lvl 18 and already need 3 knights

Roark
07-18-2013, 01:08 PM
using 3 also, although I'm at 22 or 23, I got away with 2 at 17 or 18 but that was the last one

buchilala
07-18-2013, 01:19 PM
Think I'll need a 3rd for lvl 20, or maybe a 2nd high lvl friend.

Musketeer
07-18-2013, 01:19 PM
is it just me or is this boss harder then the previous one? =/ i'm at lvl 18 and already need 3 knights

Yes, it's harder.
First, you can't get the double whammy without taking 50% extra damage.
Second, the defence stat is growing faster, so each hit you do is doing less damage.


If you haven't already, I highly recommend you use Bethmo's formulas to creat a spreadsheet to predict your likely damage, number of hits you can survive, and what your friends can do.

Reaching 43 is going to be harder on this Boss than any previous boss, and the next Epic Boss is going to be harder yet.

buchilala
07-18-2013, 01:33 PM
Yes, it's harder.
If you haven't already, I highly recommend you use Bethmo's formulas to creat a spreadsheet to predict your likely damage, number of hits you can survive, and what your friends can do.


Do you have a link to it? Also, any word as to if the attk/def is being upped by a noticeable % like Boreas def went up 2%. Just curios.

Roark
07-18-2013, 01:43 PM
could you post an example with this weeks numbers and the knights you're using plugged in? I think if I saw how someone did it I'd start using it


Yes, it's harder.
First, you can't get the double whammy without taking 50% extra damage.
Second, the defence stat is growing faster, so each hit you do is doing less damage.


If you haven't already, I highly recommend you use Bethmo's formulas to creat a spreadsheet to predict your likely damage, number of hits you can survive, and what your friends can do.

Reaching 43 is going to be harder on this Boss than any previous boss, and the next Epic Boss is going to be harder yet.

shukai84
07-18-2013, 04:23 PM
the current boss is definitely harder than the two other previous bosses. I am struggling to move from one lvl to another...i tink you would need gems in order to kill it... :S

BileJAR
07-18-2013, 04:56 PM
Funny, GREE must have known how hard this boss was going to be. So they did a gem sale.
This boss is a little harder, I'll give him that. But I will kill him... 25 more times!

BethMo
07-18-2013, 05:36 PM
Do you have a link to it? Also, any word as to if the attk/def is being upped by a noticeable % like Boreas def went up 2%. Just curios.

Yes, defense (at least up through level 34) is Boreas + 3%. Everything else is the same except level 14, which had its hitpoints raised.

LouieGavito
07-18-2013, 07:06 PM
What the title says, how do i craft this armor from the guarantee of 11 chest, out of 11 i got these good items?
Clayplate Mantel +,
Spectrals Captain Uniform
Notus Nemesis +
Notus Nemesis
Cirus Armor
Embersteel Armor
Flamestorm Finery
Molten Shroud x2
Torchflame Mantel

Now the nemesis armor have no stars and its stats are so low?
Help is Greatly Appreciated :D

deathexe
07-18-2013, 07:11 PM
What the title says, how do i craft this armor from the guarantee of 11 chest, out of 11 i got these good items?
Clayplate Mantel +,
Spectrals Captain Uniform
Notus Nemesis +
Notus Nemesis
Cirus Armor
Embersteel Armor
Flamestorm Finery
Molten Shroud x2
Torchflame Mantel

Now the nemesis armor have no stars and its stats are so low?
Help is Greatly Appreciated :D

You don't get the notus armor+ from the chests. You can only get the nemesis armor for the epic boss, which will deal 3X more damage to notus.

Thatzme
07-18-2013, 07:14 PM
You don't get the notus armor+ from the chests. You can only get the nemesis armor for the epic boss, which will deal 3X more damage to notus.

But he got a better armor! Clayplate Mantle+ gratz

Musketeer
07-18-2013, 07:48 PM
could you post an example with this weeks numbers and the knights you're using plugged in? I think if I saw how someone did it I'd start using it


3945

Part of spreadsheet vs. Notus

Spreadsheet has Notus' attack, defence and hit points, and the same for each of my knights in their current armor. This section shows only my main knight.

Damage to me and damage caused is then calculated from BethMo's formulas. I haven't adjusted the reward levels in this instance. Hits taken indicates how many normal hits my knight can receive before dropping. 0%, 25% etc. show the increased damage as knights are added.

Actual shows the actual damage given and received, when I was able to note them or get screenshots.

By multiplying the numbers of hits taken by the damage expected you can see how many NORMAL hits, and thus how much total damage you expect to give before death, which is a guide to when to add new knights.

Obviously you need to make allowance for possible misses, and special hits.

FlipDaddy
07-18-2013, 09:55 PM
But he got a better armor! Clayplate Mantle+ gratz

Seriously. That's a nice chest pull.

On the last few bosses, the nemesis became pretty useless towards the higher levels. Bethmo and Musketeer (or anyone else with an opinion), would that make it even less useful with Notus who has the same attack, but increased defense?

BileJAR
07-18-2013, 10:02 PM
I don't find Nemesis useless at all. If you have the gems, you can pay for SA And dish out tons of damage.

EX1153
07-18-2013, 11:10 PM
This might be just for regular nemesis, but comparing my maxed admirals + to a friends maxed nemesis, I'm getting numbers that my armor does almost 3000 more lifetime damage than the nemesis armor at lvl 23, though nemesis will do about 120 more damage per hit
The stats for nemesis armor was taken from the friend with the highest bonus too. Or maybe it's nem+. Not too sure.

overcire
07-18-2013, 11:28 PM
anyone want to double check my maths?
Assumptions: No guild bonus's, Boss Level 43, this is my main char (so she gets first hit), and not multiplying the damage by party size as I have not figured out my strategy quite yet.
I am seeing Flame Summoners+ getting about 6 hits in for 460 damage, while Pyromancers+ is doing four hits of 600.
Just feeling smug in my Flame Summoners.

But I just reworked my spreadsheets and I feel like I cannot trust results. After all, more stats = better armour, and the Pyro+ has excellent stats.

I figured I would just simulate what it would be like to be in a perfect guild. FS+ jumped to 578 damage/hit (25% increase, 118 flat), and Pyro+ went to 700 (100 flat). mind is blown. pyro went up by more stats than FS+, and got less flat damage out of it.

Marco_
07-19-2013, 02:24 AM
Hmm, leveling really makes a huge difference on battling the epic bosses...
On Deva I couldn't even reach level 15 with 2x2 friends.
Now that I'm level 76, to the level 18 epic boss I sent in the mottly crew of knight in maxed Crius+, knight in maxed HH+, champion in maxed LF+ [1] and a friend in Nemesis, with as result that the friend only needed to do the last tap and didn't get hurt at all...


[1]that's: no strength + 1 weakness, 1 strength + 1 weakness and 1 strenght + no weakness, which was the least bad team I could field, since maxed Crius+ still beats lvl6 LF+ or lvl1 HH+ as alternatives. ;)

Musketeer
07-19-2013, 06:30 AM
Seriously. That's a nice chest pull.

On the last few bosses, the nemesis became pretty useless towards the higher levels. Bethmo and Musketeer (or anyone else with an opinion), would that make it even less useful with Notus who has the same attack, but increased defense?

I'd need the maxed out stats on the Nemesis to tell you accurately.

As I recall the +Nemesis was somewhere in the 850/850 region for the last Boss. The fact that they even released a +Nemesis suggests they knew the regular nemesis wasn't going to cut it.

I have just one friend in Nemesis at the moment. Assuming they've maxed it out already, it's going to do less damage than my main in maxed Pyro (which I should have maxed by level 43). I've noted the stats to see if they go up.

gexstar
07-19-2013, 07:54 AM
Im not sure whether to change from Combustion maxed to Nemesis+.

Im pretty sure Combustion is better, but i didnt max the nemesis+ yet to try it out. Any suggestions ?

BTW: If anybody needs my help, just send me a PM.

Lvl 87 with maxed Combustion, maxed Nemesis. Maybe maxed Nemesis+ soon, but imo Combustion is better than both.

*edit*
Im playing on Android, forgot to mention that. :P

Marco_
07-19-2013, 08:19 AM
BTW: If anybody needs my help, just send me a PM.

s/help/help on Android/

Pretty relevant. ;)

jdmccloud
07-19-2013, 09:57 AM
level 31 in need of help. I have the nemesis armor for this week but need high level players with armor also to help me beat this boss. u can defriend me after event if you'd like. thanks
XBD-RGQ-FDM

SoloStar
07-19-2013, 10:07 AM
Anyone have max stats for Noctus Nemesis+? It seems pretty weak. I don't think it's in the 850 range.

Musketeer
07-19-2013, 11:36 AM
Im not sure whether to change from Combustion maxed to Nemesis+.

Im pretty sure Combustion is better, but i didnt max the nemesis+ yet to try it out. Any suggestions ?

BTW: If anybody needs my help, just send me a PM.

Lvl 87 with maxed Combustion, maxed Nemesis. Maybe maxed Nemesis+ soon, but imo Combustion is better than both.

*edit*
Im playing on Android, forgot to mention that. :P

You don't need to max an armor to know how good it will be. Raise it one level to see what the per-level improvement is, then calculate the maxed stats. Plug those into BethMo's formula to see which armors to wear vs. the Epic Boss.

gexstar
07-19-2013, 11:44 AM
You don't need to max an armor to know how good it will be. Raise it one level to see what the per-level improvement is, then calculate the maxed stats. Plug those into BethMo's formula to see which armors to wear vs. the Epic Boss.

Thx, but maxing a nemesis armor costs close to nothing and needs almost no time.
For other armors i may come back to this. No clue what or where BethMo's formula is though.

Musketeer
07-19-2013, 11:51 AM
http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?55912-Theorycrafting-solved-the-Epic-Boss-damage!

It should be a sticky.

Marco_
07-19-2013, 01:23 PM
Anyway, whatever you decide, http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?56645-Data-Sheet-Administration can use the base stats and either per level or max stats of the Nemesis+ if it's not there yet...

BethMo
07-19-2013, 05:45 PM
On the last few bosses, the nemesis became pretty useless towards the higher levels. Bethmo and Musketeer (or anyone else with an opinion), would that make it even less useful with Notus who has the same attack, but increased defense?

For Notus, the Nemesis ranks below most of the appropriate-element Legendary armors at most levels. (Combustion, Pyromancer, and Tempered are the winners.) However, if you make it all the way to level 60, Nemesis gets its moment of glory. Everything dies quickly at level 60, but the Nemesis manages to just barely survive long enough to deal out two whopping big hits.

If you're going to spend gems for special attacks, as someone mentioned further down the thread, then Nemesis is the way to go (and a two-element-advantage like Tempered/Half-dragon/Infernal next best). It gets much more "bang for the buck" when you add 50% to its already-multiplied damage.

EDIT: fixed 2-element armor

Roark
07-19-2013, 06:29 PM
I understand what you meant but I think you meant a one element advantage in reference to armors like Flame Summoner's shroud

shukai84
07-19-2013, 07:14 PM
3 more lvls to 43 and to craft + amr!

I hope i am in time to do it... :(

Unresolved
07-19-2013, 07:21 PM
3 more lvls to 43 and to craft + amr!

I hope i am in time to do it... :(

How could you not be in time if you're already at level 40? o-o

shukai84
07-19-2013, 07:27 PM
oh, i am travelling for the new few days :S

BethMo
07-20-2013, 08:40 PM
I understand what you meant but I think you meant a one element advantage in reference to armors like Flame Summoner's shroud

No, I meant 2 element, but I slipped gears into last week. I changed it to "(and a two-element-advantage like Tempered/Half-dragon/Infernal next best)". Thanks for spotting!

LouieGavito
07-22-2013, 03:44 PM
Hey guys, ive defeated Notus 13 times and have 2 more battles to win so i can create the legendary armor, is there anyone who can add me as a friend that would be a big help in assisting in the 14th and 15th battle, ive allrdy invested $50 since the event started and i have enough crystals to revive twice, once for each battle.

gexstar
07-22-2013, 05:48 PM
Hey guys, ive defeated Notus 13 times and have 2 more battles to win so i can create the legendary armor, is there anyone who can add me as a friend that would be a big help in assisting in the 14th and 15th battle, ive allrdy invested $50 since the event started and i have enough crystals to revive twice, once for each battle.

Im really sorry to disappoint you, but the non+ version of the armor is not really worth upgrading.
Better invest that gold into your castle, while maxing the big four. Once you got that done you can craft the +versions of storyline armors which are about the same or even better than non+ legendary boss armors.

D3athShade
07-22-2013, 06:57 PM
Im really sorry to disappoint you, but the non+ version of the armor is not really worth upgrading.
Better invest that gold into your castle, while maxing the big four. Once you got that done you can craft the +versions of storyline armors which are about the same or even better than non+ legendary boss armors.

Yeah but maybe he wants the cape. LouieGavito You can add me if you want, i did the lvl 13 one with 2 knights. I'm lvl 92 pm me your name etc since i only have a few spots remaining in my friend list

gexstar
07-22-2013, 08:01 PM
Yeah but maybe he wants the cape. LouieGavito You can add me if you want, i did the lvl 13 one with 2 knights. I'm lvl 92 pm me your name etc since i only have a few spots remaining in my friend list

1. If he really wanted the cape, that would mean he defeated lvl 15 of Euros over two weeks ago. But if he did that, he would ass**** lvl 15 of Notus now... so no, i doubt hes going for the cape.

2. Hes playing on Android. ;)

D3athShade
07-22-2013, 09:10 PM
1. If he really wanted the cape, that would mean he defeated lvl 15 of Euros over two weeks ago. But if he did that, he would ass**** lvl 15 of Notus now... so no, i doubt hes going for the cape.

2. Hes playing on Android. ;)

God damned xD i always forget the code difference :p too bad for him then :3

Bin4
07-22-2013, 11:26 PM
Hey all, I'm level 35 and have been doing a lot of reading today, big 4, snakeskin etc. Learned a ton, this is a great resource. Anywho, I'm 14 kills into Notus and unless I spend like hundreds of gems to resurrect, I'm incapable with my current friends list of winning. Would anyone here with Notus Nemesis be able to add me (or let me add them) if only for one fight?

http://i.imgur.com/fCI0PIx.jpg

Here's my add code if anyone would be able to help, please shoot me a pm or respond with your add code if that would work better!

http://i.imgur.com/MOm3Xqj.jpg,

Bin4
07-22-2013, 11:26 PM
Read: please take pity on me lol

KayOrzz
07-23-2013, 12:00 AM
Read: please take pity on me lol

by not helping you kill it is taking pity on you. it will do you more harm than good to get this armor right now. concentrate on building your foundation first. that's the best advice i can give you.

forcefed4door
07-23-2013, 05:10 AM
Wbb crb nwy. lvl 77 with nemisis

momocoast
07-23-2013, 06:35 AM
hi bind4,
i was like you at first, trying to win loosing money

just take your time.
craft armor and enhance rare armor

do missions

take a loot at this

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArPIArNuLRi7dGVrc1BqV2J1czAzY1AyR1kxSko4V lE#gid=3




use gems to get ultra rare armors by opening chest when you get 3* cahnce of getting legendary


just try to gain level and just enhance 3 armors to the maximum.you will defeat alone the boss

KayOrzz
07-23-2013, 06:38 AM
use gems to get ultra rare armors by opening chest when you get 3* cahnce of getting legendary


bad advice

deathexe
07-23-2013, 06:43 AM
hi bind4,
i was like you at first, trying to win loosing money

just take your time.
craft armor and enhance rare armor

do missions

take a loot at this

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArPIArNuLRi7dGVrc1BqV2J1czAzY1AyR1kxSko4V lE#gid=3




use gems to get ultra rare armors by opening chest when you get 3* cahnce of getting legendary


just try to gain level and just enhance 3 armors to the maximum.you will defeat alone the boss

Using gems for dpc is something you do only after you have a kingdom full of level 3 training fields and maxed armories (armories optional but good to have). Spending gems on training fields benefits you way more than opening dpcs.

Marco_
07-23-2013, 07:38 AM
take a loot at this
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArPIArNuLRi7dGVrc1BqV2J1czAzY1AyR1kxSko4V lE#gid=3

That's the abandoned "writable by anybody" version that's probably completely unreliable for anything because of that.
The up to date armors spreadsheet is linked at http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?56645-Data-Sheet-Administration .

michwlvrins
07-23-2013, 09:42 AM
Thanks maximous. Feel free to use my aegis. Its high now and its leveling up everyday.

Maximous2.0
07-23-2013, 10:57 AM
Thanks maximous. Feel free to use my aegis. Its high now and its leveling up everyday.

No problem bro

Musketeer
07-23-2013, 11:16 AM
Partway through level 43 Notus.

Even with maxed Pyromancer on my main and two friends, and then a second round with my main and a friend in maxed Nemesis with 10% guild bonus, it's looking so close that one miss could lose it, and I'm going to have to use a couple of gems to secure the win.

Has anyone been breezing through this Boss and conquered 60 levels?


Edit: I fell asleep and missed returning for the second round! At least I can try again tomorrow with the 'A' team. My 'B' team hasn't got a hope.

michwlvrins
07-23-2013, 11:23 AM
Im level 83 with high level aegis. Need more people with nemesis please. Im on level 39 on the boss. Thanks.

overcire
07-23-2013, 06:29 PM
I am also on lvl 43. two of my friends are rockin combustion armour. timed it so i could use them both twice. the first round went WAY better than expected, second round i can miss a bunch. 0 guild bonuses.

There isn't any breezing through this is their? I have not looked into it, but even with epic guild bosses and legendary armour, and ten terrific friends getting to 60 costs more than it is worth, no?

Roark
07-23-2013, 06:36 PM
I've yet to reach even 51, I think I got to 45, and on my 43 boss this week I think I used either 10 energy and 2 new friends or 12 gems to refill the health of the ones I had

I wasn't confident that 5/2 would be enough

edit: and yeah, I used 2x combustion friends for the 43

Bearsuo
07-23-2013, 07:10 PM
Partway through level 43 Notus.

Even with maxed Pyromancer on my main and two friends, and then a second round with my main and a friend in maxed Nemesis with 10% guild bonus, it's looking so close that one miss could lose it, and I'm going to have to use a couple of gems to secure the win.

Has anyone been breezing through this Boss and conquered 60 levels?


Edit: I fell asleep and missed returning for the second round! At least I can try again tomorrow with the 'A' team. My 'B' team hasn't got a hope.

Had dual 6% bonuses, maxed Pyro AND AR (and LF - only thing that could've been better - I have HDHA but Notus loves double crit openers for me...) and 43 was rough. Weirdly 44 was also rough. I was expecting to hit 50's, but that ain't happening.

BileJAR
07-23-2013, 07:24 PM
One more win which I will get tomorrow morning. (Got 3 friends with nemesis and it dominates) And then I can craft the + Version. Thank god this event is near it's end, I used most of fusion stones this time because I lacked farming snakeskin armor this week. Got 6 left, when I had around 24 last Wednesday. No matter, it'll all be fine and dandy when I get my Bkal+.... then realize I need to max that out.... :mad: :mad:

KayOrzz
07-23-2013, 07:42 PM
i've got this funky feeling zephyrus is gonna be a deva+jian double whammy combo

LouieGavito
07-24-2013, 02:42 AM
Ok guys im lv29, got my 15 wins on notus and am crafting atm didn't know it was a 2 1/2 day craft. I only started 2 weeks ago :)

deathexe
07-24-2013, 03:27 AM
Ok guys im lv29, got my 15 wins on notus and am crafting atm didn't know it was a 2 1/2 day craft. I only started 2 weeks ago :)

Shouldn't craft epic boss armors unless you can get the +version. It's kind of a waste of gold and materials at your level. The big 4 is more worth it :)

LouieGavito
07-24-2013, 03:46 AM
Hey guys so i was reading the beginners Q&A and i came across this.

What is a + armour? Any + Armour refers to armour that superseeds it's non+ counterpart, i.e if you level a Basic Fire Armour to level 5 (is that correct?) you gain the ability to craft the + version which gives better stat increase per level resulting in higher overall stats.

What level do I unlock the + version of the big 4? Level 15 will unlock the +version for each of the big 4.

What armour should I be aiming for level 20-60 as i'm really struggling with progression? The big 4; Atlantean Avenger+, Hydra Hunter Mail+, Living Flame+, Crius+.

So i understand leveling lets say basic fire to lv5, but does it turn it into + automatically or do i combine a lv5 basic fire with a lv1 basic fire to make a + ?

This is where im confused and any help is appreciated :D

Thanks
Michael

buchilala
07-24-2013, 03:46 AM
Had dual 6% bonuses, maxed Pyro AND AR (and LF - only thing that could've been better - I have HDHA but Notus loves double crit openers for me...) and 43 was rough. Weirdly 44 was also rough. I was expecting to hit 50's, but that ain't happening.

Have you hit 51 or 60 post Deva?

I hit 50 on Deva because of element, but have had no desire to try past 43 since then because it felt like more work than it was worth, or more gems. I maybe coulda hit 51 on wandering flame but because the increase was pointed out at that point I chose to not even fight past 43 to take a day or two off because I knew I wouldn't be able to hit 60 and maybe not even 51.

KayOrzz
07-24-2013, 04:41 AM
So i understand leveling lets say basic fire to lv5, but does it turn it into + automatically or do i combine a lv5 basic fire with a lv1 basic fire to make a + ?


No it doesn't turn into a + automatically. You cannot combine it with anything to make it a + it stays as a + forever. What it does is make all subsequent crafts a +. Hope it's clearer now.

WarChicken
07-24-2013, 05:02 AM
Hey guys so i was reading the beginners Q&A and i came across this.

What is a + armour? Any + Armour refers to armour that superseeds it's non+ counterpart, i.e if you level a Basic Fire Armour to level 5 (is that correct?) you gain the ability to craft the + version which gives better stat increase per level resulting in higher overall stats.

What level do I unlock the + version of the big 4? Level 15 will unlock the +version for each of the big 4.

What armour should I be aiming for level 20-60 as i'm really struggling with progression? The big 4; Atlantean Avenger+, Hydra Hunter Mail+, Living Flame+, Crius+.

So i understand leveling lets say basic fire to lv5, but does it turn it into + automatically or do i combine a lv5 basic fire with a lv1 basic fire to make a + ?

This is where im confused and any help is appreciated :D

Thanks
Michael

Ex.:

Basic Earth [15] + Basic Air [15] = Normal Crius [15]

Upgrade Normal Crius [15] with ANY one[1] Basic = Unlock Crius+

hope this sample helps

deathexe
07-24-2013, 05:07 AM
Ex.:

Basic Earth [15] + Basic Air [15] = Normal Crius [15]

Upgrade Normal Crius [15] with ANY one[1] Basic = Unlock Crius+

hope this sample helps

Basically leveling CRAFTABLE armors to a specific level would open up the option to craft their +counterparts. So you would have to craft the armor again to get the +version.

Lotak
07-24-2013, 05:47 AM
I just about made it past level 21 Notus and have no hope to get to level 22+

Was wondering, at what stage does it become nigh on impossible to beat the bosses without resorting to spending gems, either for Nemesis or refills? I can imagine being able to get to somewhere between 25-28 if I had 3* gear at high level that was not weak, but I only have 3 of the Big 4 armours at level 50 (Living Flame not yet).

And its also not worth it for me to craft this armour knowing I cannot get the + version?

deathexe
07-24-2013, 05:54 AM
I just about made it past level 21 Notus and have no hope to get to level 22+

Was wondering, at what stage does it become nigh on impossible to beat the bosses without resorting to spending gems, either for Nemesis or refills? I can imagine being able to get to somewhere between 25-28 if I had 3* gear at high level that was not weak, but I only have 3 of the Big 4 armours at level 50 (Living Flame not yet).

And its also not worth it for me to craft this armour knowing I cannot get the + version?



This boss is one of the harder epic bosses, and for the higher tier players, it would be very much possible to hit somewhere between 47 to 51 without gems, depending on how what armors you have against the boss.

I wouldn't recommend crafting the normal version if you can't get the +version. It would take roughly 3mil to max it to 70, and crafting it alone already takes 3 days and 200k. Personally I don't think it's worth the gold, time and the materials, and you're better of levelling the big 4 and then going on to get infernal+, swamp+ and dark prince+.

KayOrzz
07-24-2013, 05:57 AM
I just about made it past level 21 Notus and have no hope to get to level 22+

Was wondering, at what stage does it become nigh on impossible to beat the bosses without resorting to spending gems, either for Nemesis or refills? I can imagine being able to get to somewhere between 25-28 if I had 3* gear at high level that was not weak, but I only have 3 of the Big 4 armours at level 50 (Living Flame not yet).

And its also not worth it for me to craft this armour knowing I cannot get the + version?

Have done levels past 43 with big four at 100 without gems

Lieda
07-24-2013, 06:02 AM
I just about made it past level 21 Notus and have no hope to get to level 22+

Was wondering, at what stage does it become nigh on impossible to beat the bosses without resorting to spending gems, either for Nemesis or refills? I can imagine being able to get to somewhere between 25-28 if I had 3* gear at high level that was not weak, but I only have 3 of the Big 4 armours at level 50 (Living Flame not yet).

And its also not worth it for me to craft this armour knowing I cannot get the + version?

Its an unique armor, gold... Gold is endless, this armor you can only get once fo free. If you find it nice, why not? Ofc plus versions are stronger, but even regular versions can be nice, go for it.

Secondly, i think past 45 ish you gonna need gems, i can barely make to 43 w/o gems and i have maxed out plus 4star and, friends with nemesis, this may vary a bit from player to player, so im guessing lvl 45 o a little more, but i dont believe anyone could get lvl 60 reward w/o spending... A lot, wich makes the black tier rewards useless

Lotak
07-24-2013, 07:03 AM
This boss is one of the harder epic bosses, and for the higher tier players, it would be very much possible to hit somewhere between 47 to 51 without gems, depending on how what armors you have against the boss.

I wouldn't recommend crafting the normal version if you can't get the +version. It would take roughly 3mil to max it to 70, and crafting it alone already takes 3 days and 200k. Personally I don't think it's worth the gold, time and the materials, and you're better of levelling the big 4 and then going on to get infernal+, swamp+ and dark prince+.


Have done levels past 43 with big four at 100 without gems


Its an unique armor, gold... Gold is endless, this armor you can only get once fo free. If you find it nice, why not? Ofc plus versions are stronger, but even regular versions can be nice, go for it.

Secondly, i think past 45 ish you gonna need gems, i can barely make to 43 w/o gems and i have maxed out plus 4star and, friends with nemesis, this may vary a bit from player to player, so im guessing lvl 45 o a little more, but i dont believe anyone could get lvl 60 reward w/o spending... A lot, wich makes the black tier rewards useless


I guess it does depend on what elements the boss has. If it was just Fire (like 2 or 3 weeks ago) it would have been much easier, but I only started a month ago so couldn't get to level 15 :(

Was able to get to level 21 because one of my two hired guns has maxed nemesis and the other was pretty powerful (+1050 att/def) and that helped a lot.

I've got 2 armours that I can make (this and last one). If I ever want to craft it, I will in the future, otherwise I'll just hang on to it.

Thank you all for your opinions!

Bearsuo
07-24-2013, 07:28 AM
Have you hit 51 or 60 post Deva?

I haven't hit 60, and 51 has been rare. A few times I've been close, but there have been excellent reasons why I didn't make it -
1) Newborn son. Some weeks he helps me make more EE cycles, others I throw away whole days to my cuddly monkey.
2) I junked (stupidly) useful Armors - the last E/A vulnerable guy? Hit 43 with Crius+, despite having won 5 epic e/a + Armors (2 of the tortoise), eg
3) one week, every attempt over 43 the boss opened with three crits, ruining getting +1 SA on my commander

I've been top 100/250 leaderboard for ages, too - and I don't do empty attempts to pad my numbers (ie, I haven't attacked Notus in two days). If this is the new normal, I guess there were too many DPC keys going for free :o

Musketeer
07-24-2013, 08:13 AM
Have done levels past 43 with big four at 100 without gems

Against Notus?

Papa3G
07-24-2013, 08:31 AM
3rd epic boss more tough for me....the 4th one will be very very tough?

KayOrzz
07-24-2013, 08:34 AM
Against Notus?

Jian & Deva. Why would I wanna do that now, now that I've got 9 sets of maxed 70s. But several of my guildies are doing it with eurus - notus. Some needed to 1 gem SA a few due to the dreaded ? of doom. But it can still be done. Just needs patience and a lot of effort to pull it off. Kudos to them, their hard work paid off. 

Papa3G
07-24-2013, 08:59 AM
I'm only getting max level 40..I always have to use gems for +armor.

Musketeer
07-24-2013, 09:07 AM
Jian & Deva. Why would I wanna do that now, now that I've got 9 sets of maxed 70s. But several of my guildies are doing it with eurus - notus. Some needed to 1 gem SA a few due to the dreaded ? of doom. But it can still be done. Just needs patience and a lot of effort to pull it off. Kudos to them, their hard work paid off. 

Notus is considerably tougher than Eurus was.

If you had five knights all in Living Flame+ against Notus 43, the mains would score 3x965 each max, the cannon fodder 2x894. That's 12261 before allowing for special hits/misses on either side, less than half of the 31994 you need. The numbers don't add up. In fact those are very generous numbers as I haven't given Notus the pseudo-level bonus for being a reward level.

So at some point you need either your main or your friends to be wearing something better. Much better.

I'm not saying the big 4 are worthless, you certainly need them, but with the new toughness of Epic Bosses they aren't going to do it by themselves.

KayOrzz
07-24-2013, 10:03 AM
there are other possibilities to explore, that's all i can say ^^ cheers

Marco_
07-24-2013, 05:15 PM
OK, I wasn't really trying hard for this boss [1] since level 43 is still way unreachable, yet I ended up on level 32 and rank 33 on Android... Recruit a few more friends, put a bit more effort in and I might just score a plus armour through the top 25 route on one of the next few bosses... O_o

[1] 5 person team was AA+, HH+, LF+ and 2 friends...

KTran2013
07-24-2013, 05:50 PM
OK, I wasn't really trying hard for this boss [1] since level 43 is still way unreachable, yet I ended up on level 32 and rank 33 on Android... Recruit a few more friends, put a bit more effort in and I might just score a plus armour through the top 25 route on one of the next few bosses... O_o

[1] 5 person team was AA+, HH+, LF+ and 2 friends...

I've got your back Marco! :D
I've only got 90 gems right now, so I'm holding off on DPC for the Nemesis, but I think everything will work out okay.

Let me remind you that as you get to a certain point in the levels of the Epic Boss, it may be better (in some cases, I guess) to have 10 Epic Energy and use 7 Epic Energy (2 Knights + 2 friends) THEN waiting 1.5 hours to have 6 Epic Energy to do it again with your MAIN knight + 2 MORE friends to do more damage (rather than actually beating the boss). Something to consider. Just my 2 cents. Not sure if this is anything substantial, but if you KNOW you're not going to get to 43 and you KNOW you're not using your friends for anything else, then why the heck not? :) You'll get a few more thousand (hopefully) hit points off of the Epic Boss to get to 25 in the leaderboard ( on Android :D ).**

**I say this with SOME/Little confidence that this would yield better results than using your regular knights (obvious armor advantages and HP advantages and whatnot) so do as you please with your Epic Energy and Friend usage.

overcire
07-24-2013, 06:04 PM
nemesis is not the cheapest gem route to legendary+ armour. The top 25 is getting a bit stuffy. I do not know how many people in it are not also beating the lvl 43 boss. I was hovering around 25 before a bunch of people disappeared from the list, and you cannot count on that. If you can beat 35 you can beat 38, and from there it is only a few summons for materials.

Best of luck :) getting a maxxed legendary + awesome is awesome. Makes the next one easier too :) until they through these crazy ramped up bosses at us

Marco_
07-24-2013, 08:04 PM
Unfortunately 2+2 & 1+2 formation only leaves you with 2 1/2 serious runs per day at higher levels (and 1 or more "I'm going to scratch you for 3000 damage, then let you disappear again, since I'm waiting for friends, but didn't want to let the epic energy go to waste" runs. ;) )

Summoning: well, I'd need to be very close or else the the gems are better spent leveling my last 2 L2 Training Grounds (2x35) and whatever I build on the last castle expansion (2x 35 or 35 + (40+10)) , which will already be bought with Euros, since income from tournament Ribbon 1 is only 2/7th of a L3 Training Field and free gem video offers currently has dried up to 1-2 per week for me... (and they'll probably have another "summon for 5 gems" special some time in the future, so no super rush to summon during the event. )