Bkal+ event needs a boost.

[deathexe]

Since the release of the bkal+ event, I, along with a number of other members of the game, have been quite disappointed with it. So far, it's been too easy. I've been seeing players who are below 100 with only semi decent armors getting 43 without much effort. What I mean is that it's possible to kill the boss till maybe level 40-42, and then going on to spend a few gems to summon the boss. This is way to easy for a bkal+, which is quite possible one of the top armors in game, even without the guild boosts. While I do notice an increase of stat growth from the previous boss, I hope that at least the last boss will be of an immense difficulty to at least make the bkal+ more exclusive. After all, players have spent countless of gems opening DPCs to get it, yet now it's so easily available. Getting an armor like this should be an achievement, something that's immensely difficult. Yet now it doesn't seem that hard.

[Thatzme]

I agree with Aiden. Gree has made it too easy for players to get the bkal+. Can I add that the moment Gree released bkal+ as a reward they went back on their word, since bkal was advertised as a dpc only armor; many gem spenders were thus duped into spending money to get it, not knowing Gree was gonna release it outside of dpc.

Imagine having spent so much to try to get a CHANCE to get it off DPC, when now u know as long as u spend a few hundred gems you are guaranteed it.

I'm not asking for Gree to take it down as a reward, I'm just hoping they would placate those who spent tons to try to get it, by making a it a real challenge to attain it, maybe by shortening the duration, or by making the remaining bosses hella difficult.

[Sakino]

Honestly, i see something like less than 1000 players reach the damage of level 43 on epic bosses, not so much armors will be given for free... And for sure, after this event, gree will relase something even better of this kaleidoscopic+

[deathexe]

Honestly, i see something like less than 1000 players reach the damage of level 43 on epic bosses, not so much armors will be given for free... And for sure, after this event, gree will relase something even better of this kaleidoscopic+

1000 is actually a pretty big number, and if you count in the number of players summoning the boss to get the extra materials, it's quite a number - enough to spoil the balance. Even with a new kaleidoscopic armor coming out, the bkal+ is still one of the top armors. Right now, even the normal bkal is still useful.

[maple1736]

I agree to some extent but remember this is only the best armor in the game at this time. Sky guardian was like the very best a few months ago, so even there are more ppl getting this now, it will be 'out of date' in probably a few months time...

This event is an attempt to gain some acceptance as most complain about the uncertainty of DPC. This new event increase certainty at the expense of 'everyone gettin it'. So as a player u just have to accept it... Unless u constantly spend gems to stay up to date with armors, it is not quite possible to be the best...

My opinion is that it can't really be commented until the event is finnished. So the last boss might even have higher sta than Jian...

[Sir.]

I do agree. BKal+ is advertised as the best armor ever. It should be very hard to obtain, in my opinion only for the players who have top armors and put a fair amount of time and effort into it. At this rate, I'm pretty sure I can get it at level 90 with the Big 4 and good friends, spending only a few gems. It's probably even doable without. For an armor like BKal+, this is way too easy.

Compare it by example with a black medal for arena: you have to pay attention pretty much non-stop during a week, win almost every fight and still spend a lot of gems to get this (hacking/glitching ignored). All you get is a pretty enhancement flodder, aside from the gems/fusion stones. In my opinion much greater achievement, but with severely inferior rewards.

That being said; I do love this event. The cape is a great reward and a reasonably strong armor for the + versions is a good idea too, I'm just disappointed that it's one of the top armors in game. I do hope the last boss at least is a lot stronger, so we don't get it just handed out to us.

[Hildigam]

Honestly, i see something like less than 1000 players reach the damage of level 43 on epic bosses, not so much armors will be given for free... And for sure, after this event, gree will relase something even better of this kaleidoscopic+

Basically was going to say the same thing. That and Gree is about making money, and the number of whales investing to get a Bkal+ is relatively minimal compared to the amount of people willing to pay 10-24 dollars to get the gems to finish out lvl 43. Of the 1000 that make it to 43 how many payed 10 bucks to get gems? Or said "since i am going to buy 10 bucks worth i might as well go all the way"

While I honestly understand the frustration that comes from paying big cash for something and then everyone else gets it basically for free you have to also look into the amount of work this is. Dpc = pay money, get armors. epic boss is baby sit the game 24/7 for a month. And dont mess up at the last minute or you are screwed

[Lii]

Honestly, i see something like less than 1000 players reach the damage of level 43 on epic bosses, not so much armors will be given for free... And for sure, after this event, gree will relase something even better of this kaleidoscopic+

I agree. I got to lvl 43 on the first event boss and ended up in position high 200. I talked with someone else that also got to level 43 and they ended up in position 400 something. Sure, there will be more players that get enough resources by e.g. summoning the boss. But I think only the really hardcore players will be able to actually do this four weeks in a row.

I would be surprised if more than a few hundred players get the BK+ after the event (and over half of those will probably go to your rainbow coalition ;) ) Considering how many people actually play this game I do not consider that to be a lot.

On top of that the BK does not get the guild bonuses (AFAIK) and I do not doubt that GREE will start releasing even better armors than they do now in a fairly short time. Which means that the BK+ will have less and less significance anyway.

Just my 2 cents ;)

[Bearsuo]

Since the release of the bkal+ event, I, along with a number of other members of the game, have been quite disappointed with it. So far, it's been too easy. I've been seeing players who are below 100 with only semi decent armors getting 43 without much effort. What I mean is that it's possible to kill the boss till maybe level 40-42, and then going on to spend a few gems to summon the boss. This is way to easy for a bkal+,

I've gotten 43 or above since Admiral Hateheart, and the "without much effort" rings false, dude. Without a maxed tortoise armor or nemesis - both of which require effort or spending - this boss isn't a cake walk. As others have pointed out, the last boss got approximately 500 straight kills; gem spenders are supposed to get around challenges, that's what freemium is. So out of a player pool of a few hundred thousand, there are 500, tops - less than 1%. And if any of them drop the ball over the next three weeks - and they will - that pool gets smaller. Exactly how few people may win a prize before its rare enough for you? 30?

Reminds me of end game raiding in World of Warcraft. Top 5000 players were complaining that idiots could complete the difficult challenges, that they'd been dumbed down too much so that "everyone" was getting the rewards... the other 9.995 million players outside of their awareness completely dropped from perspective.

Guess what? Top, active players are going to run into other top, active players, so it's going to seem like everyone got a bkal+. That's like wondering why you keep running into dudes in the men's bathroom.

[Musketeer]

... spend a few gems...spent countless of gems...an achievement....


So here's the thing. It's NOT an achievement to spend cash to get BK+, or buy success in this game in any form, whether it's a few gems or countless gems.

It's an achievement for Gree to be able to milk a few extra dollars out of their player base with this event before they make BK+ obsolete.

You need to lose the mindset that you own this game because you paid some money into it. It's Gree's game, and they'll do what they want to make it pay as handsomely as they can.

As others have noted above, the effort put into earning a black medal is far greater than is required for this event, but with much poorer rewards. BK+ would be the reward for a Black Medal, if it was supposed to be an exclusive armor. That way only one person a week could have one.

But... if you keep rewarding the same (top through effort or cash) players week after week, the rest of the pack get bored with the chase and give up. As has been noted elsewhere and by you above, the Epic Bosses are getting harder, so players who started too recently are not able to obtain the legendary armors without spending cash.

I suspect that the week 3 dragon will be fractionally harder than Boreas, and the week 4 dragon harder still, to try to milk some extra cash out of those who want the BK+ as a reward. Then in a couple of months something better will be released to make BK+ no longer the ultimate armor.

So if you already have BK+ enjoy it while you can. With no Guild bonus it's not the best armor to use against epic bosses, it's not necessary for the storyline game, and as it's only 1/3 of the armor you wear in the Arena it's not even a guaranteed winner there.

[deathexe]

So here's the thing. It's NOT an achievement to spend cash to get BK+, or buy success in this game in any form, whether it's a few gems or countless gems.

What I was saying was that getting the bkal+ from this event doesn't seem like an achievement anymore considering how easy it was so far. I never said that spending gems on a bkal+ or buying success was an achievement, I was referring to getting the bkal+ from this event by defeating the bosses and crafting the +versions of the dragon armors.

Also, shouldn't the top players be the ones getting the rewards? Mid tier players are supposed to work their way up to get these kinds of rewards. All I'm asking is that at least make the last boss much harder, though that's probably the trend for this event, as you've said. Even if mid tier players don't get the bkal+, they probably still manage to get one or two of the +versions of the armors, which I would think is good enough, since they have excellent stats.

The whole point of the bkal+ and the bkal is to be used in the arena and the guild wars. Even as it is now, I'm still using my normal bkal in the arena, quite effectively if I may add. It tells you a lot about the effectiveness of the bkal.

[Hildigam]

What I was saying was that getting the bkal+ from this event doesn't seem like an achievement anymore considering how easy it was so far. I never said that spending gems on a bkal+ or buying success was an achievement, I was referring to getting the bkal+ from this event by defeating the bosses and crafting the +versions of the dragon armors.

Also, shouldn't the top players be the ones getting the rewards? Mid tier players are supposed to work their way up to get these kinds of rewards. All I'm asking is that at least make the last boss much harder, though that's probably the trend for this event, as you've said. Even if mid tier players don't get the bkal+, they probably still manage to get one or two of the +versions of the armors, which I would think is good enough, since they have excellent stats.

The whole point of the bkal+ and the bkal is to be used in the arena and the guild wars. Even as it is now, I'm still using my normal bkal in the arena, quite effectively if I may add. It tells you a lot about the effectiveness of the bkal.


What is your defenition of "top"? Say it is the 1%. Out of 25000 that is still 250 people. So even if top was 5% that is still 1250 bkal running around here within a month which i think is a fair estimate of what is going to happen. Because anybody under lets say lvl 90 as of a week and a half ago has No chance at bkal without a good number of gems

[Lii]

What I was saying was that getting the bkal+ from this event doesn't seem like an achievement anymore considering how easy it was so far. I never said that spending gems on a bkal+ or buying success was an achievement, I was referring to getting the bkal+ from this event by defeating the bosses and crafting the +versions of the dragon armors.

Also, shouldn't the top players be the ones getting the rewards? Mid tier players are supposed to work their way up to get these kinds of rewards. All I'm asking is that at least make the last boss much harder, though that's probably the trend for this event, as you've said. Even if mid tier players don't get the bkal+, they probably still manage to get one or two of the +versions of the armors, which I would think is good enough, since they have excellent stats.

You keep mentioning how easy this event is. I think it is important to recognize that it is not easy at all for 99% of the player population. Not everyone is in a guild like yours and have as many powerful friends as you do.

I don't know how many players are playing this game, but the arena gives rewards up to position 1,000,000... You also mention that only the top tier players should get the rewards. My guess is that much less than 1% of the player population will actually get the BK+, do you consider that 1% mid tier?

Earlier you mentioned that having to many players running around with BK+ will "spoil the balance". If this event becomes much harder most likely only (except a few) players in the Rainbow coalition will get the BK+. How do you think that will affect the balance in the upcoming guild wars? Having said that you guys will probably kick most guilds butts anyway, but is it such a big issue if a few other people get some crumbs of the cake?

[Lord Ash]

Guess what? Top, active players are going to run into other top, active players, so it's going to seem like everyone got a bkal+. That's like wondering why you keep running into dudes in the men's bathroom.

I literally just Laughed Out Loud ... Well done sir

[Bearsuo]

Also, shouldn't the top players be the ones getting the rewards? Mid tier players are supposed to work their way up to get these kinds of rewards. All I'm asking is that at least make the last boss much harder,

Without changing anything, fewer than 1 in 100 players are going to end up with BKAL+.

[Bearsuo]

I literally just Laughed Out Loud ... Well done sir

Thank you.

[Musketeer]

What I mean is that it's possible to kill the boss till maybe level 40-42, and then going on to spend a few gems to summon the boss. This is way to [sic] easy for a bkal+


What I was saying was that getting the bkal+ from this event doesn't seem like an achievement anymore considering how easy it was so far. I never said that spending gems on a bkal+ or buying success was an achievement, I was referring to getting the bkal+ from this event by defeating the bosses and crafting the +versions of the dragon armors.

Forgive my misunderstanding.

I'm currently 149th on the damage leaderboard, out of 120,269 who have fought Boreas at least once. This puts me in the top 0.125% of players.

I am reasonably confident, with three full days to go and 40 kills down, that I can make 43 kills and not resort to using gems. I am by no means confident I can do the same for the next two Dragons, elements unknown and stats unknown but probably harder than Boreas, and still craft all the armors in the time limit necessary to earn the BK+.


You may be finding it easy, but I think 99.875% of players are not so confident of success. Being in the top 0.1% of players of the game may be giving you and your friends a skewed perspective of how easy the event is.

[Unresolved]

I don't think it matters how many players receive the BK+. I think that the difficulty of the event should mirror the quality of the armor. The fact is that the event is not hard enough to warrant receiving an armor like the BK+. I started playing less than a month ago and I'm on track to get BK+ unless the bosses get a lot harder.

[busteroaf]

I don't think it matters how many players receive the BK+. I think that the difficulty of the event should mirror the quality of the armor. The fact is that the event is not hard enough to warrant receiving an armor like the BK+. I started playing less than a month ago and I'm on track to get BK+ unless the bosses get a lot harder.

That is only your perspective. Not everyone who has started in the last month is level 100 yet. I started months ago and casually play, and am still not 100. You are clearly investing more time, or maybe just investing more efficiently. Kudos to you. (or I could be 100% wrong... let me know after my assessment)

But you are not the average player.

The average is probably closer to me. Will log on when they get up, maybe while eating breakfast before work. Then, once you're at work, maybe if there is downtime, you'll log on, play for a few minutes. Then, once you're home, wind down, play back and forth, for a few minutes or so between shows, reading the paper or going out with friends for a drink. Then probably log on once more before or while in bed, and then go to sleep. Sure, we may buy some gems here and there. Over the course of a few months, buying a few gem packs here isn't too much of an investment. Its a night or two out to the movies, or a few drinks. That is Joe Average.

There are issues with that though. Often, I go 5 or 6 hours without checking my phone because, well, we have a no cell phone policy at work, and as the boss, its hypocritical to be on my phone playing a game when my staff isn't allowed to. Or, just simply due to the flow of business and not being able to, or simply not thinking about it. Then, say I'm at the bar, enjoying some adult beverages, if I don't have spot on timing, and enjoy my drinks a little too long, oh, I've wasted epic energy or arena energy... and slowly my chances at getting a high rank or high boss kill slips away. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that is the average player. And, do that over the course of a month long event... that is why many, even higher leveled (average) players, may not get the final reward.

So for you to say it is easy, is only your perspective of easy.

[Unresolved]

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I didn't say that it's easy to get BK+, just that it's not hard enough to justify getting BK+. I don't mind because I will be very happy if I do get it, but I would understand if they had made the event really hard to limit how many players could get it.

And to answer you question, I played a lot and I was extremely efficient. Everything I did was for maximum efficiency(or as close as possible).

[Hirro]

Even if Gree would increase the difficulty for the last 2 Epic Bosses for this event or future Epic Bosses. Weekly Legendary armors gets replace fast and old Legendary armors gets obsolete. And the veteran and active players who have powerful armors and keeps updating their legendary armors with new powerful ones, will still be in the top and the rest would still be struggling to get in the top.

This event may seem that Gree is giving away free BK+ to the rest of KnD players. Many players chose to play and try their luck in the DPC prior to this event "Ancient Dragon" because of Gree's marketing strategy. I, too, was duped into believing in the "3x chance of winning *** or **** armors" in the DPC.

KnD players have the option of spending their real money to buy gems to buy Epic Energy or not regardless of difficulties of weekly Epic Bosses. And KnD players have the option not to participate in the weekly Epic Bosses regardless of their current armor or level. KnD players have the option, as well, how they can efficiently farm materials to craft Legendary armor without cheating.

Simply my opinion :cool:

[Rediye]

Some examples: A level 100+ player who does not have any maxed 70 armors is currently comfortably on track to get bkal+, and in fact made the statement, "bkal+ will be the first level 70 armor I max." Several level 90 players still using the big 4 are also right on track. For the best armor in the game, these types of players should not be having this easy of a time getting it.

Also for the person talking about spending cash, I do not see the OP mention anything about spending cash. He mentioned gems, which many people have been building up freely. In fact, the OP himself is a free player.

[Lieda]

I said so since the beginning... They should not hand over kaleidos plus like that, anybody with some gems can get it, i havent spent any gems so far (actually only on attempt to get nemesis) but not only i didnt get nemesis but also still managed to get eurus plus with friends, boreas is being even easier because of the horrible wurms and crius plus everywhere, plus double damage.

I want black kaleido plus, but only because e everybody gonna have it anyways i dont wanna stay behind, but honestly i find it ugly, looks like a gundam or a transformer... The ancient dragons are way prettier, and having those 4 as some set of special armor sets are good enough for the event, the wings are a finishing touch, should be all we should get for getting normal armors, perhaps a more special looking wings or shiny effects for whom crafts the plus versions? But black kaleido plus... It just doesnt feel right...


One last thing, if that was meant to generate some more revenues... It may work.. For now, becus those kaleidos are going to become anti epic boss standards, always bonus dmg and always no disvantage... Not to mention its stats that are prolly going to be quite high

[Bearsuo]

Some examples: A level 100+ player who does not have any maxed 70 armors is currently comfortably on track to get bkal+, and in fact made the statement, "bkal+ will be the first level 70 armor I max." Several level 90 players still using the big 4 are also right on track. For the best armor in the game, these types of players should not be having this easy of a time getting it.

Cool story bro, but facts is facts, and fewer than 1% of players are on track to get BKAL+. So somebody with some strong friends and a guild with +15% bonus to each element has an easy time of it. Doesn't change the fact that few people are doing it, which means it is hard. Guilds are creating a real set of haves and have nots... I remember my guild getting an additional +1% to air when that was the last nemesis, and suddenly going from a 7 energy kill down to a 5 for 3 more kills was pretty hilarious.

[Bearsuo]

I want black kaleido plus, but only because e everybody gonna have it anyways i dont wanna stay behind,

All 1% of players everybody, you mean.

[Bearsuo]

Meh, why bother being rational? Most of the "make it harder" crew are Rainbow Room - who have, if not the highest guild elemental bonuses, close enough (by far) for argument's sake. Of course the events are going to seem easy to them. De-guild for the next 2 bosses and tell us how it is.

Edit: Which isn't to pick a fight with Rainbow Room. I'm just pointing out, you guys have a solid thing going.

[Bryanv2]

Is it really that easy though? I DO however agree that I feel this armor should be super unique. The ''element'' is very unique and so far I have only come across 2-3 players with the BKal. Now as mentioned most likely about 1000 will have it.

Im not sure how big the player base is though so I'm not sure howmuch that is, but it won't be extremly exclusive anymore.
However for me, lvl 80 player this is incredibly hard already lol

[Miyabi]

Its too tough for me.... Getting friends for help at lvl15 for the regular...
:( :( :(

[Hirro]

Also for the person talking about spending cash, I do not see the OP mention anything about spending cash. He mentioned gems, which many people have been building up freely. In fact, the OP himself is a free player.

My bad, should have read more carefully hahaha :cool:. Regardless if the KnD player is a free player who collects free gems from free video offers, from quest, from arena or whatever, or money spender player. Veteran and/or active players who continues to upgrade their Legendary armors with new powerful ones would still be in the top.

We could protest and ask Gree to have level requirement for wearing a Legendary armor, i.e. level 150 requirement to wear regular BK at above or equal to level 1 / 70, which makes it longer and tedious to level up just to wear a Legendary armor ! :p

Simply my opinion :cool:

[jamiedmc]

I think this event is fine. The dragons will get harder and the BKal is losing it superiority already.. In 2.5 weeks it will be even more marginalized. It is still a great armor tho and worth working for, but not so great that we need to worry about potential imbalance. I also like that fact that we have a way to WORK for a good armor, rather than spending thousands of $ to MAYBE get it. I think GREE is heading in the right direction making this even based on some effort rather than simply spending. Kudos!

[Sir William]

The way I see it:

If the government started saying if you pay $5,000 per month you can live in this multi million dollar mansion.
Well, those who already have a lot of money and live in multi million dollar mansions are going to be upset because now their wealth is essentially leveled to an even playing field.

Similarly, those who have bkal+ are seeing this event as an easy way for EVERYONE to get bkal+ and have the same okay infield leveled.


But what's being overlooked in the first scenario is that even $5,000 a month isn't obtainable by everybody.

And what holds true into the second scenario is similar:
Reaching 43 boss kills, and having the resources to craft a normal and a plus version of each of the 4 bosses isn't obtainable by everybody.

Not even by most.


How many players just happened to have over 200k ready to craft normal, spend about 100-200k on enhancing to 35, and then an additional 200k on + version?

And how many of that group have an adequate castle set up that will allow them to do it 3 more times subsequently all before the event ends?



The number of people who end up receiving bkal+ is not going to be great. It won't be high.
My guess is less than 250.


So if you have an issue with bkal+ being available to those who literally devote a month straight to earning it based on the event set forth by Gree, then perhaps climb down off the high horse and re evaluate what playing a 'free game' truly means.

[shukai84]

aiyo, they will prolly come up with another strongest amr in no time :S

the rich can just spend their gems on it lah...let the poor haf some fun achieving the quest and win something out of it :)

[Eunuchorn]

aiyo, they will prolly come up with another strongest amr in no time :S

the rich can just spend their gems on it lah...let the poor haf some fun achieving the quest and win something out of it :)

I'm waiting for my Rainbow Kaleidoscope armor any day now.

[busteroaf]

The way I see it:

If the government started saying if you pay $5,000 per month you can live in this multi million dollar mansion.
Well, those who already have a lot of money and live in multi million dollar mansions are going to be upset because now their wealth is essentially leveled to an even playing field.

Similarly, those who have bkal+ are seeing this event as an easy way for EVERYONE to get bkal+ and have the same okay infield leveled.

But what's being overlooked in the first scenario is that even $5,000 a month isn't obtainable by everybody.

And what holds true into the second scenario is similar:
Reaching 43 boss kills, and having the resources to craft a normal and a plus version of each of the 4 bosses isn't obtainable by everybody.

Not even by most.

How many players just happened to have over 200k ready to craft normal, spend about 100-200k on enhancing to 35, and then an additional 200k on + version?

And how many of that group have an adequate castle set up that will allow them to do it 3 more times subsequently all before the event ends?

The number of people who end up receiving bkal+ is not going to be great. It won't be high.
My guess is less than 250.


Nice analogy Sir. Many people see it as free loot, but most of those are the ones who could compete and get it anyway if they really so desired. And when the event ends and those people get their shiny new lvl 1 armor ready for enhancement, we'll see who gets it.

But think of it like this: Not every player in this game is in a guild or on the forums. Again, out of those, not every guild has the bonuses to make the bosses "easy" or "not as hard", or the friends to help them, with or without bonuses. Then get into the crafting, enhancing, farming for enhancement, fusion stones... its a much more tedious task than many think. The ones who say its easy, hell, you probably don't even NEED the armor, are are probably in a top tier guild.

(quick, show of hands, who here isn't in a guild, with friends who aren't in a high level guild, and thinks this event is still too easy?)

But if this draws more people to the game, this is good for GREE. Like someone said in another thread... they are the ones who own the game, not us. Even if we spend money on it, its all them. They are the ones benefiting. Stop looking like they're doing this as a favor to us. Its a capitalist way to bring more money to themselves. Either through casual gem use, or purchase. Hell, even people who "farm" free gems for themselves are generating some sort of income for GREE.

Like my boys Puffy and Biggie said: Its all about the Benjamins baby!

[Bearsuo]

I'm waiting for my Rainbow Kaleidoscope armor any day now.

Your sig dun block DPC wah lao cannot fit ~~~

[Genocide788]

I would say calm down and wait for the final boss before you say its too easy or too difficult. For all you know they could jack up the difficulty of the last boss to an extent that even top players cant get to 43 without spending gems.

[busteroaf]

I would say calm down and wait for the final boss before you say its too easy or too difficult. For all you know they could jack up the difficulty of the last boss to an extent that even top players cant get to 43 without spending gems.

Or this. We're two weeks in with two weeks to go. We have no idea what they are planning. They could pull a giant swerve or major boss damage/defense increase. Will be interesting to see.

[Musketeer]

Like someone said in another thread... they are the ones who own the game, not us. Even if we spend money on it, its all them. They are the ones benefiting. Stop looking like they're doing this as a favor to us. Its a capitalist way to bring more money to themselves. Either through casual gem use, or purchase. Hell, even people who "farm" free gems for themselves are generating some sort of income for GREE.

I said it in this thread, post #10.


You need to lose the mindset that you own this game because you paid some money into it. It's Gree's game, and they'll do what they want to make it pay as handsomely as they can.

[BileJAR]

Considering the defense on the current boss rose by a little, you can only predict that attack/defense will increase as the event goes on.

[busteroaf]

I said it in this thread, post #10.

... Really? #10? It seems like so long, and so many threads ago. My apologies for not looking back. And yes, yours was stated as eloquently as I remembered it, and pretty much the perfect statement. If I had my beer already (procrastinating while I wait for that one last checkout) I'd raise it for you.

[billiamwallace]

Wow. Haven't heard this much chatter about the 1% since the occupy movement!

[Eunuchorn]

Wow. Haven't heard this much chatter about the 1% since the occupy movement!

The fact that we even reference the 1% shows the travesty our world is in. You will never stop my derailment of threads! I AM A SPREADER OF TRUTH!

[KayOrzz]

Its too tough for me.... Getting friends for help at lvl15 for the regular...
:( :( :(

the lvl 15 siam bu boss ar? mokyaw mokyaw

[overcire]

Occupy was sweet. Tax the rich. Camp downtown. Video everything on your hd cell phone, shout down big business. I had a great time - first world problems for the win!

Well I have to run, I have another dozen online petitions to sign :-)

[Genocide788]

the lvl 15 siam bu boss ar? mokyaw mokyaw
That one no problem, throw more $ to get her more drinks/flowers. More friends help = Less chance you dabao. Huat arh!

[KayOrzz]

That one no problem, throw more $ to get her more drinks/flowers. More friends help = Less chance you dabao. Huat arh!

aiya miyabi mai spend gems na

[Sir.]

aiya miyabi mai spend gems na


That one no problem, throw more $ to get her more drinks/flowers. More friends help = Less chance you dabao. Huat arh!

Can you guys please stop using a language other than English on an international forum? I think everyone should be able to understand what you say, if you want the message to be private there's PM.

[Sir.]

The way I see it:

If the government started saying if you pay $5,000 per month you can live in this multi million dollar mansion.
Well, those who already have a lot of money and live in multi million dollar mansions are going to be upset because now their wealth is essentially leveled to an even playing field.


Nice analogy indeed, which raises the question: SHOULD one be living in a multi dollar mansion, if one does not have a multi million dollars?

[Baobaoboo]

Can you guys please stop using a language other than English on an international forum? I think everyone should be able to understand what you say, if you want the message to be private there's PM.

Gotta agree with Sir on this one, even though I can understand you guys completely.

This is an international forum, try to stick to understandable english please.

[KayOrzz]

sorlee, my england not that powderful :confused:

[Bearsuo]

Can you guys please stop using a language other than English on an international forum? I think everyone should be able to understand what you say, if you want the message to be private there's PM.

So sianz choing arr

[palehorsem4n]

I agree that the BKal+ is currently too easy to obtain. I have no strong counters for this week's boss and have acquired Boreas+ easily.

[Bearsuo]

I agree that the BKal+ is currently too easy to obtain. I have no strong counters for this week's boss and have acquired Boreas+ easily.

Top 100 on the damage leaderboard are the only ones with Boreas cooking, starting today. You have a funny idea of what "too easy" is.

[WarChicken]

"Interested in adding new friends who are high level with strong armors. Also accepting applications to join The Rainbow Rug, a member of the Rainbow Coalition."

mmhhmm.. someone said something about trying NOT having those high +elem bonuses from strong guild, and high level friends with strong armors and some such.. see if its still 'too easy'..

[Miyabi]

sorlee, my england not that powderful :confused:

Same leh, out engrish is type like this 1.. Haha.
Either engrish or thai loh, but if type thai more ppl mai kao jai..

[konofo]

This thread has proceeded predictably; in virtually all cases, the ideal difficulty threshold is one that includes yourself and excludes those beneath you. Add rationalization to taste.

The main legitimate problem with handing out this gear in any quantity is the dulling effect this particular piece has on arena strategy. For virtually everything else, there is a counter, and if you know your opponent, you can customize your team accordingly. For kaleidoscopic gear, however, there's nothing you can do with your own lineup to shift the odds in your favor. Yes, it's only one of three slots, but it matters.

With an influx of BK+ sure to sweep the top of the arena rankings, I'm expecting that by this time next month, 9/10 of my opponents will have it, and that's unfortunate. At this point, all I can do is get mine.

[Bearsuo]

With an influx of BK+ sure to sweep the top of the arena rankings, I'm expecting that by this time next month, 9/10 of my opponents will have it, and that's unfortunate. At this point, all I can do is get mine.

Sweet! Finally, an excellent conversational point. I usually end up around 250-500 on arena, but I've fought a fair number of single and double digit placers. I've been trying to synthesize an agnostic evaluation of the players. I believe there are three major populations:

Arena primary players. Someone like Sir Dot who stopped leveling at 90 at what he finds the optimal intersection of two functions because they will help his arena play. Or even lower, parked level players on a similar theory.

Epic boss primary players. While these two populations intersect, these players will farm to max gear, pushing their level up and thus clearly preferring EB to the detriment but not neglect of arena. Perhaps arena is a showcase to them for achievement as opposed to an achievement itself.

Cheaters and or grotesque gem spenders, which may be one in the same. I'm not being critical of gem spending, but it seems some players spend thousands weekly. This is a different category than those who augment their play with gems; these players PLAY with gems.

Discarding the third population as irrelevant (and possibly BKAL'd via DPC by default), this leaves group one against group two, which I could see as possibly offensive as an advantage, but haven't the more farm inclined of the second group had weekly/two week advantages over group 1 historically, anyway? It seems so, based, anecdotally, on my battling.

Your thoughts?

Also watashi wa arigato gozaimous parlevous Francois por favor so sianz KEK

Edit:

I forgot to throw in that above a certain level, it feels like arena is primarily rewarding pure activity of players rather than any other attribute. No?

[EljayK]

The truth of the matter is that there are three kinds of players.

High ranking/high leveling/high activity players

Casual players

Fodder.

The goal of any major event like this is to increase the playability for the top percentage of players who are high activity, and give a goal to those who are in casual. As a freemium game the consensus is usually to keep players who spend money, and convince those who don't to want to. This event does all of that.

Will this upset the balance of the arena? Hopefully. That's the point though, right? The challenge? Isn't that what the high end is always complaining about, more challenge? The idea that these bosses are hard being the only problem with the exclusivity of Bkale+ is only 50% true. You have to account for the dedication it will take to craft all of these armors and level them up in time to get the armor. It has to be done by 1 week after (or by the final day). I'm not sure which, I've read a lot of different things.

The casual player may have the ability to beat the boss up to 43, and maybe even get the option of crafting the plus. But 4 times, 4 weeks in a row, ahead of the game enough to actually HAVE all 4 + versions? That is a level of dedication that is above the casual player. Not to mention constantly crafting materials to enhance 4 suits up to 35 and still having the gold and open armorsmiths to craft the + version. If a casual player is able to enhance that much, they are spending money, and they, in essence, "bought" the armor anyway.

If, in the future, you see a large number of Bkale + in the arena. You should be happy. It means there are that many people dedicated enough to be paying attention to the game that often. That says a lot about the health of a game. And if you spent money for Bkale+, you should be happy the game is that healthy, because it means it won't go belly up, and that your investment in the game is worthwhile.

[King Mark]

Arena prizes aren't even really worth it IMO, if it's your only reason in spending $ or gems in getting this coveted black k+. Looks to me some are even modifying the game file to hack their scores or something. So even if you have your black k+, you'd be outsmart by those players & not much we can do about it.

Also, this black k+ would soon be replaced by another "best & powerful" armor, and people would need to spend on $ or gems again & the cycle goes on, lol! ^^

I'm giving up getting this black k+, even if I can afford to burn hundreds of gems for this event. I find it hard by the way & requires me to summon the boss to get enough mats to craft the +. So exclude me from those who say it's too easy and those who'd get a hand on this armor.

Cheers!

[Issaquah]

For those 1% I'm now seeing them replace their BK+ with other top armors. Heck, there is one player with 3 Aegis and many with all 3 armors above the BK+.

I'll bet 200-250 get the BK+ from this event. Getting the + crafted will continue to drop as getting the 3rd and 4th normal to lvl 35 to unlock the + will continue to drop; or they spend increasing # of gems to complete. This should level things a bit as it will reward the 2%-5% as we approach guild wars. And as stated earlier, I'll bet half of these will go to the top 3-4 guilds.

[Musketeer]

Arena prizes aren't even really worth it IMO, if it's your only reason in spending $ or gems in getting this coveted black k+.


There is definitely some truth in this. If the time you spent in the Arena (assuming you can't play 24/7) was spent gathering materials, you'd be able to craft most of the armor rewards you'd miss out on from not battling in the Arena. You'd even get the fusion stones as random drops. What you'd miss would be the gems, which until you get to the medal ranks are still just a sneeze, though they do build up over the weeks. All Arena armor rewards are there purely for enhancing armors anyway.


Sweet! Finally, an excellent conversational point. I usually end up around 250-500 on arena, but I've fought a fair number of single and double digit placers. I've been trying to synthesize an agnostic evaluation of the players. I believe there are three major populations:

Arena primary players. Someone like Sir Dot who stopped leveling at 90 at what he finds the optimal intersection of two functions because they will help his arena play. Or even lower, parked level players on a similar theory.

Epic boss primary players. While these two populations intersect, these players will farm to max gear, pushing their level up and thus clearly preferring EB to the detriment but not neglect of arena. Perhaps arena is a showcase to them for achievement as opposed to an achievement itself.

Cheaters and or grotesque gem spenders, which may be one in the same. I'm not being critical of gem spending, but it seems some players spend thousands weekly. This is a different category than those who augment their play with gems; these players PLAY with gems.

Discarding the third population as irrelevant (and possibly BKAL'd via DPC by default), this leaves group one against group two, which I could see as possibly offensive as an advantage, but haven't the more farm inclined of the second group had weekly/two week advantages over group 1 historically, anyway? It seems so, based, anecdotally, on my battling.

Your thoughts?

Also watashi wa arigato gozaimous parlevous Francois por favor so sianz KEK

Edit:

I forgot to throw in that above a certain level, it feels like arena is primarily rewarding pure activity of players rather than any other attribute. No?

I don't see the point of focussing on the Arena, if you're not using the rewards to enhance Epic Boss armors.

I do agree with your previous point that the BK+ (and other kaleidoscopic armors) basically ruin the game, and eventually the only cure is for everyone to have it to re-level the playing field.

I think the Epic Boss is the current end-game amusement, but the Guild Wars (and presumably other Guild events) will also demand attention. However with the Rainbow Reich soaking up the biggest players/spenders, it's going to be a pretty uninteresting event for the other Guilds until they can catch up with Guild Bonuses and Guardians.

[Matty-cakes]

Its too tough for me.... Getting friends for help at lvl15 for the regular...
:( :( :(

lololol Lim. Do you need some better friends and a better guild?

:cool:

[Nemmer]

Rainbow Reich! I lol'd

[Ashnagarr]

Nice thread - I expected bashing and flaming, and instead found seven pages of (nearly) proper discussion.

As (imo) everything worthwhile was already stated, I can just add my personal opinion, and that is: I really really enjoy this event for the fact that it allows me to work for a very good armor (as was already stated somewhere on page 3 or so).

I spent some money on DPCs, was totally disappointed and basically swore myself to never invest money in this game again. This event changed it. I only need 40 gems on each boss (for the 50 EE) to reach level 43, and that feels just about right for me personally to still get the feeling of earning the armor (instead of buying it), while still giving money to Gree (which they supposedly feel good about).

I would very much welcome more of these events in the future.

[shukai84]

Yes, such events are most welcome! I would hope the wise one tink about coming up with event that gives Aegis + away :) That's one of my fave amrs!

[palehorsem4n]

I'm sure there will be another A/E boss soon enough. If retaining balance is the reasoning for giving BKal+ as a reward currently, I see no need to ever give away the really strong DPC-only armors that have basic combos. Free players have access to the same element combos, but at a lower stat level, which is entirely fair.

[Demonic Lord]

Event would of been better if they would of made it the dragon of aegis+ instead of the blk kald+ just saying it would of made a bit more sense since its all about dragon bosses.

[palehorsem4n]

Honestly I'd rather receive a few boost armors as a reward. Most beneficial item in-game.

[EljayK]

Honestly I'd rather receive a few boost armors as a reward. Most beneficial item in-game.

Truth. Those things are spectacular.

[Musketeer]

Nice thread - I expected bashing and flaming, and instead found seven pages of (nearly) proper discussion.

As (imo) everything worthwhile was already stated, I can just add my personal opinion, and that is: I really really enjoy this event for the fact that it allows me to work for a very good armor (as was already stated somewhere on page 3 or so).

I spent some money on DPCs, was totally disappointed and basically swore myself to never invest money in this game again. This event changed it. I only need 40 gems on each boss (for the 50 EE) to reach level 43, and that feels just about right for me personally to still get the feeling of earning the armor (instead of buying it), while still giving money to Gree (which they supposedly feel good about).

I would very much welcome more of these events in the future.

If you bought gems for this event then you bought the armor, even if you still have to go through the tedium of beating ther dragons and crafting and levelling the armors, and it cost you about $25 (or your country's monetary equivalent).

But... I know how you feel. I bought $25 worth of gems a while ago so I could get the last few materials for Jackalope+, and the armor is serving me well. I used the remainder of the gems to raise some training fields to level 3, which is a far better investment in the long run than any single legendary armor.


The cleverness of these app games is that they tease money out of people who would otherwise not really be playing games at all. There are far deeper, more challenging, and heck, more enjoyable games available (does anyone really enjoy grinding for crafting materials for hours and hours?) for a fraction of what people end up spending on app games, but most people (especially adults) don't consider them. You could buy a used Gameboy (or any Nintendo or Sony handheld game console) and a couple of RPG games and have much more fun than these app games provide, for a fraction of the cost.

The shame is that app games are sucking the money out of the real game designers' pockets, so there are fewer really good games being developed.

[Ashnagarr]

I work in the gaming industry, so I am aware of the evil process. The difference between app games and for example RPGs on a console (or PC) is, that app games allow me to play "on the go". Have 10 minutes? Play for a bit, then continue to work. Playing Skyrim on PC or any FF title on a console is a huge time invenstment.
That is why so many non-gamers are pulled into mobile games. Low commitment, high reward cycle. And of course, Gree and other developers use all the psychological tricks to push people into paying, without much care for what is morally right or wrong.