The "Big Four"

[Bayglez]

I understand that the big 4 cover all of the the elements, but is there anyway other reason that these 4 became so necessary to gameplay.

[Freuzel77]

I understand that the big 4 cover all of the the elements, but is there anyway other reason that these 4 became so necessary to gameplay.

Hi Bayglez,
The reason for having the Big 4 is the very good stats. Especially the + version is very strong. Reson for this is the def/att increase per level.

Check out the spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AiQKRFnZ9_jpdEFtUUVnd2dQM1ZIX2IxT1RNZVlval E&f=true&noheader=true&gid=7

So, fuse the Big 4, level them to lvl 15, not any further. Then craft the plus version. You're not able to fuse the + version. Then invest in the plus version. This will take some time, but in the end the best thing to do in the level 20 - 60 range.

Cheers!
Freuzel

[Bayglez]

I'm actually heading into the 70's, it's just something I am trying to understand, I.e why isn't Chimera Corps+ as important. But thanks for the help, as I'm getting higher I'm just wondering is it worth creating multiple sets of the big four?

[Marco_]

Yep, level 50 armors with about level 70 armor max. stats for a fraction of the leveling price because they have such high per level stat scaling.

[deathexe]

I'm actually heading into the 70's, it's just something I am trying to understand, I.e why isn't Chimera Corps+ as important. But thanks for the help, as I'm getting higher I'm just wondering is it worth creating multiple sets of the big four?

The reason the big 4 was deemed the big 4, was because of their exponential stat growth, and at the same time because of the fact they're so easily obtainable, and it's so easy to max them. Chimera isn't part of the big 4 because it's stats are worse off compared to the rest of the big 4, with an underwhelming 511 attack. I don't think creating multiple big 4s are a very good idea, though it can be beneficial before you start getting your 70+ armors.

[Bayglez]

The reason the big 4 was deemed the big 4, was because of their exponential stat growth, and at the same time because of the fact they're so easily obtainable, and it's so easy to max them. Chimera isn't part of the big 4 because it's stats are worse off compared to the rest of the big 4, with an underwhelming 511 attack. I don't think creating multiple big 4s are a very good idea, though it can be beneficial before you start getting your 70+ armors.

Cheers Deathexe, it makes sense.

[Freuzel77]

I'm actually heading into the 70's, it's just something I am trying to understand, I.e why isn't Chimera Corps+ as important. But thanks for the help, as I'm getting higher I'm just wondering is it worth creating multiple sets of the big four?

Check out this table (soory for the layout...;);

Armor Base A Base D A/l D/l
Chimera Corps Uniform + 168 198 7 11
Atlantean Avenger Armor + 207 189 11 12
Crius Armor + 206 206 10 12
Hydra Hunter's Mail + 189 207 12 12
Living Flame Armor + 189 198 12 11

You will see that Chimera Armor is not very effective by stats. I'd rather invest in multiple Big four armors when I've maxed the first set..

[600RR]

Check out this table (soory for the layout...;);

Armor Base A Base D A/l D/l
Chimera Corps Uniform + 168 198 7 11
Atlantean Avenger Armor + 207 189 11 12
Crius Armor + 206 206 10 12
Hydra Hunter's Mail + 189 207 12 12
Living Flame Armor + 189 198 12 11

You will see that Chimera Armor is not very effective by stats. I'd rather invest in multiple Big four armors when I've maxed the first set..

I personally would never advise to invest in multiple big 4 armour sets. You'll out grow them and become a wasted investment.

One set is more than enough to get you through imo.

[Justice711]

I'm actually heading into the 70's, it's just something I am trying to understand, I.e why isn't Chimera Corps+ as important. But thanks for the help, as I'm getting higher I'm just wondering is it worth creating multiple sets of the big four?

I personally feels that it depends on the way u play & the resources that u could or possibly can have. Imagine if tmr I will know that the next boss elements is water/spirit, I will rather rush out 3 AA+ rather then 1 half baked roc feathers or any epic boss armor.

1 level 50 armor will take u @ most 1.5 days to max if u play regularly & cost less then 1 million. If u compare that to let's say roc feather, u will probably take 3-4 days crafting & then maxing to 70 if u have sufficient gold (3-5 mil), fusion stones & materials.

However if u r a regular gem spender then the equation changes totally again.

So it really depends on alot of factors & personal preference.

[Lord Ash]

What if u never got the big four or had them but used them for fusion earlier in the game... I'm now maxing or have maxed all 70+ armor the only big four I still have is a HH+ Lvl 38 should I go back and get the big four maxed out again for boss fights or concentrate only on my new 70+ now?

[Justice711]

What if u never got the big four or had them but used them for fusion earlier in the game... I'm now maxing or have maxed all 70+ armor the only big four I still have is a HH+ Lvl 38 should I go back and get the big four maxed out again for boss fights or concentrate only on my new 70+ now?

Hi Lord Ash, I think U provided too little information. But @ your level & the fact u got level 70 armor & plus version means u have sufficient good armors. If that's the case then u dont really need the big 4.

However if u r really resource tight then U can consider using any of the big four might be the next alternative for epic boss. I only have a couple of max level 70+ armor, hence my big 4 is still in use up till tdy. Played abt 3 mths now?

For arena, big 4 armor is only useful unless u know your opponents lineup. 250 & below, big 4 won't be helpful.

[BethMo]

Also, you'll need a very large collection of level 70 armor before you stop needing to use one of the Big Four as part of your lineup when fighting epic bosses. I've been playing nearly six months and still don't have three level 70 armors suitable for every possible boss. (And I saw a number of level 100+ players on my friends list using AA+ on their main knight this week!)

[Bearsuo]

Also, you'll need a very large collection of level 70 armor before you stop needing to use one of the Big Four as part of your lineup when fighting epic bosses. I've been playing nearly six months and still don't have three level 70 armors suitable for every possible boss. (And I saw a number of level 100+ players on my friends list using AA+ on their main knight this week!)

My thinking on the events BK+ is that for awhile, even with mudflation, it will make epic boss arming easier - BK+ no matter what on Cmdr, best aligned epic armor on first knight, big4 on second (speaking practically, not ideally)

[Matti1992]

Are there any other alternatives to the big four that aren't too bad? I've so far taken the advice i've read and gotten myself the big four but they're still reasonably low level (except for AA+ to fight Eurus). I don't want to invest too heavily in any of the others yet as I thought I'll wait to see what elements the next epic boss is. I was just wondering what kind of fusions I could be doing to get some alternative armours, I've built up tonnes of fusion stones and i'm not really sure what to combine. My cash flow isn't great, I'm only level 51 still and I've levelled up pretty fast so I haven't got much gold.

[konofo]

Are there any other alternatives to the big four that aren't too bad? I've so far taken the advice i've read and gotten myself the big four but they're still reasonably low level (except for AA+ to fight Eurus). I don't want to invest too heavily in any of the others yet as I thought I'll wait to see what elements the next epic boss is. I was just wondering what kind of fusions I could be doing to get some alternative armours, I've built up tonnes of fusion stones and i'm not really sure what to combine. My cash flow isn't great, I'm only level 51 still and I've levelled up pretty fast so I haven't got much gold.
Don't fall in the fusion trap, no good will come of it. Even if you got one of the better results, you'll go broke trying to level it up.

Save those stones to generate 50EP enhancement fodder for working on ****+ later. It takes millions of gold to max those pieces, so use your gold to develop your castle and cashflow, and live off of the Big 4 in the meantime. They have that name for a reason.

[Musketeer]

Are there any other alternatives to the big four that aren't too bad?

No.


I've so far taken the advice I've read and gotten myself the big four but they're still reasonably low level (except for AA+ to fight Eurus). I don't want to invest too heavily in any of the others yet as I thought I'll wait to see what elements the next epic boss is. I was just wondering what kind of fusions I could be doing to get some alternative armours, I've built up tonnes of fusion stones and i'm not really sure what to combine. My cash flow isn't great, I'm only level 51 still and I've levelled up pretty fast so I haven't got much gold.

Anything you can fuse is still going to end up worse than the big 4 at level 50. Check the spreadsheet.

You might get a +version of an uncraftable* armor via the chests. Those might be worth levelling, if you're a chest addict.

The bigger four (Swamp, Roc, Infernal Lord, Dark Prince) are better in numbers but require more materials and gold to max out, and they don't have adjacent elements, so they don't hit the Epic Bosses so hard.

I skipped Crius because I got the Tortoise armor and thought that would do, but am now going to level at least one and possibly two sets to level 50 for my cannon fodder to wear vs. the Epic Bosses.


Yes, every armor you can craft now, including the current Epic Boss +version, will eventually be superceded by a slightly better option, but the big four are the quickest and easiest stepping stones to getting towards those Epic Boss armors.

Yes, eventually you'll stop using the big 4 in the Arena, and have every knight in fully maxed +Legendary, but you have to get there first.

It's easiest to climb a ladder using every rung rather that trying to get your foot on the top rung in one go.



*Uncraftable, as I learnt a few weeks ago, is an armor you cannot craft in your armorsmith. Because you cannot craft it, you cannot learn how to make a + version, even if you already levelled it to the max (as I did with Steam Wizard and Monk's Vestments, D'oh). You can only get phenominally lucky at the chests.

[Matti1992]

No.



Anything you can fuse is still going to end up worse than the big 4 at level 50. Check the spreadsheet.

You might get a +version of an uncraftable* armor via the chests. Those might be worth levelling, if you're a chest addict.

The bigger four (Swamp, Roc, Infernal Lord, Dark Prince) are better in numbers but require more materials and gold to max out, and they don't have adjacent elements, so they don't hit the Epic Bosses so hard.

I skipped Crius because I got the Tortoise armor and thought that would do, but am now going to level at least one and possibly two sets to level 50 for my cannon fodder to wear vs. the Epic Bosses.


Yes, every armor you can craft now, including the current Epic Boss +version, will eventually be superceded by a slightly better option, but the big four are the quickest and easiest stepping stones to getting towards those Epic Boss armors.

Yes, eventually you'll stop using the big 4 in the Arena, and have every knight in fully maxed +Legendary, but you have to get there first.

It's easiest to climb a ladder using every rung rather that trying to get your foot on the top rung in one go.



*Uncraftable, as I learnt a few weeks ago, is an armor you cannot craft in your armorsmith. Because you cannot craft it, you cannot learn how to make a + version, even if you already levelled it to the max (as I did with Steam Wizard and Monk's Vestments, D'oh). You can only get phenominally lucky at the chests.

I appreciate the help. I guess I was just being a bit impatient, the big four do seem to be doing really well for me right now. I'll wait until the next epic boss before I commit my resources to levelling one of the big four. I'm guessing from what you've said that you have multiple versions of the big four?

[gexstar]

The big 4 are always nice for backup armors for the bosses. Usually you only got 1 or maybe 2 armors that are good vs a certain boss, the big 4 are the easiest, quickest and cheapest way to equip the rest of your knights with nonweak armors.

[Marco_]

For arena, big 4 armor is only useful unless u know your opponents lineup. 250 & below, big 4 won't be helpful.
Well, those are numbers for iOS. For Android, it's still about anything goes for the arena.
I'm currently hovering around position 115-140 on Android using lvl50 AA+, lvl17 Monk's Vestments and lvl13 Rageborn Raiment. (I stopped leveling the latter two when I learned about the Big Four. If I had learned about them sooner, I could have leveled a HH+ sooner to replace the Rageborn and maybe even gotten into Bronze on the current tournament!)

[Unresolved]

For arena, big 4 armor is only useful unless u know your opponents lineup. 250 & below, big 4 won't be helpful.

Definitely not true. I only have the Big 4 and am able to stay around rank 100 without spending gems. I fell a bit since I gave up trying to crack 100(was stuck at 110-120), so I settled for just getting Ribbon 1. But I will put in more effort next tournament for a bronze medal.

[Musketeer]

I appreciate the help. I guess I was just being a bit impatient, the big four do seem to be doing really well for me right now. I'll wait until the next epic boss before I commit my resources to levelling one of the big four. I'm guessing from what you've said that you have multiple versions of the big four?

1 Chimera (not big 4 but related), 1 HH+, 2 AA+, 1 LF+

With AA I had one at 50 and one at 44, and figured it was easier to have two than to keep swapping for my active knights. They were both in use against Euros. I have one Crius over 30 that I'll take to 50, and then start a second.

With LF+, I have one maxed and had two at around level 17-20. That was enough to get through the Haunted Citadel. Then I got Pyromancer from Deva to replace them. The level 35 Pyromancer was better than my lowest LF, and soon the Pyromancer+ was better than my second. At some point in the levelling process the Pyro+ will overtake the LF+, but I'll still keep all three, just rearrange who wears them. At some point we'll get a Spirit/Earth Epic Boss and these armors will rock.

[rhaegar]

i never wasted time with anything but level 70s it may help early in game but youll outgrow them

[Lord Ash]

I have a flowstone+ I got in a DPC chest it's at Lvl 25 should I max it out to use this week or just keep using my maxed Guardians infernal+ and roc+? Would that double bonus be worth it with an est 800 attack

[Freuzel77]

With the new Dragon, I might invest in a second Crius + armor. There is good advantage for this armor

[Justice711]

I have a flowstone+ I got in a DPC chest it's at Lvl 25 should I max it out to use this week or just keep using my maxed Guardians infernal+ and roc+? Would that double bonus be worth it with an est 800 attack

I will max it.