You know it's a hacker when....

[jamiedmc]

1. All 3 knights are wearing cape spectaculars (who is going to pay $85 for a cape? nevermind 3 of them...)

2. They are level 40 and they have Black Kale and Aegis of the Dragon in final form.

3. ??

Any more? How do you spot the hackers?

[Eunuchorn]

1. All 3 knights are wearing cape spectaculars (who is going to pay $85 for a cape? nevermind 3 of them...)

I find your ignorance baffling. Or maybe just your lack of income. You obviously haven't even bought the non-gem cape.


2. They are level 40 and they have Black Kale and Aegis of the Dragon in final form.

Um, I could be level 1 w/ 10,000 gems & any # of DPC only armor at 70/70. At worst, that guys armors are only level 35.

Want to try again?? You're on the right track.

[jamiedmc]

1. I am talking about the cape spectacular for 650 gems.

2. Of course it is POSSIBLE, but it is not probable. That is the whole point.

What are some ways that YOU can tell when someone is hacking?

[Roark]

I can tell someone is hacking when I'm sitting beside them and I look over their shoulder and watch them modify files on their phone which gives any unintended advantage

otherwise, never


only guess

[Epon]

They are in the top 50 in the arena at level 13.

[Badhairdayz]

Having maxed combustion,Dark prince & sky guardian but only hitting 30'ish with it ..
Someone in the arena had it :)

[Bryanv2]

I find your ignorance baffling. Or maybe just your lack of income. You obviously haven't even bought the non-gem cape.



Um, I could be level 1 w/ 10,000 gems & any # of DPC only armor at 70/70. At worst, that guys armors are only level 35.

Want to try again?? You're on the right track.

Haha, as soon as I saw OPs post I figured you were the one to post a statement against it.

Though to be fair, I don't think there is anyone like you spending so much on this game at least that's only level 40. It however is possible to be 40 and have all that as mentioned.

[maple1736]

It's not quite possible to hack an online game without making any noises. Gems/gold data are held on their server so not easy to hack.

And when you consider why GREE make about $1milloin weekly sales on this game it is not surprise to see players buying arena places and armors!

Only noticeable hacker feature is super arena armors and , probably suspecting, those wearing a basic fire but u know they got good armors. The theory would be like when you play in arena, you switch to good (hacked) armors and when you leave, switch basic fire for others to kill so to avoid detection by other players. This is may be supported by the fact that they rank so high, they are at least lv 70+ and such a move (put one knight with basic fire) lack any rationale unless they want to give easy arena points to others.

[Badhairdayz]

Checking who the first one is in the arena , then checking his guild being level 41 with 40 guild bonuses !
Seems legit ..

[Aradan]

1. All 3 knights are wearing cape spectaculars (who is going to pay $85 for a cape? nevermind 3 of them...)

well eunu basically got it right on the nose. you obviously don't know much about this game.

1. Lots of people buy the spectacular cape(with money or saved gems)

2. you buy it once and every single 6 knights can wear that same cape.

3. like eunu already said only lvl 35 needed. When i didn't know better on iOS and was around 40-50 i had i think 4 or 5 legendaries that were 35+. guess that makes me a hacker too?

here you can report me my code is. XBB-QND-FRB.

[quantumace]

Haha, as soon as I saw OPs post I figured you were the one to post a statement against it.

Though to be fair, I don't think there is anyone like you spending so much on this game at least that's only level 40. It however is possible to be 40 and have all that as mentioned.

It's possible, but strange enough to raise some eyebrows. From playing other gree games, I know there are a handful of people willing to spend enormous sums of money on games like this, so it can be hard to rule anything out. There are however, several things that raise red flags. If I am spending $500-$1000 a month on this game, I am going to be blasting through levels pretty freaking fast, to get the most out of my shiny new toys.

I have been following eunuchorns posts since I started playing this game, and I am a little surprised by his response. He is correct that you can't automatically label someone a hacker just because they have top tier equipment at a low level, but to call someone bafflingly ignorant for doing so seems pretty odd. I appreciate his sense of caution, but to ignore red flags that defy logic and common sense seems naive at best.

[rhaegar]

you probably cant see red flags behind your egos

[Eunuchorn]

And when you consider why GREE make about $1milloin weekly sales on this game it is not surprise to see players buying arena places and armors! .

Do you have proof of that #? Because I saw an interview w/ some of the high ups of Kandy Krush, & that game makes 2-3 mil PER DAY. I hope Gree is doing better than that. I know their other games must be based on war results.


@quantumace If you go read my 12 pages of posts since I joined forum you would see I'm quite condescending & blunt. What's worse is he took my answer, and such as is typical of any egoistic human (all of you), didn't even actually try to comprehend what he read or why I was being so antagonistic. He merely repeat himself. I hate this world.
PS here's my alt:
http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s657/TehEunuchorn/null_zpsdc9cea6d.jpg

[overcire]

to defend eunuchorn (who imo should be able to say what he wants on gree's forums - if he had bought shares rather than gems he could own them) he was mostly remarking at the necessity to buy the same cape more than once.

If you buy a cape you can equip it on as many knights as you fancy. If you do not even know that about the game, what gives you the authority to call some one else a hacker?

I was humbled when I called some one out, my argument was weak and if I had done some research I could have disproved it myself.

Be careful, starting witch hunts never end well. Gree does seem to be working behind the scenes to kick people who do not want to play by the rules, and they know those rules better than even us forum dwellers

[BethMo]

... such a move (put one knight with basic fire) lack any rationale unless they want to give easy arena points to others.

Actually, some people do it to try to get Revenge fights that they can win easily for extra points.

[fongchowpay]

to defend eunuchorn (who imo should be able to say what he wants on gree's forums - if he had bought shares rather than gems he could own them) he was mostly remarking at the necessity to buy the same cape more than once.

If you buy a cape you can equip it on as many knights as you fancy. If you do not even know that about the game, what gives you the authority to call some one else a hacker?

I was humbled when I called some one out, my argument was weak and if I had done some research I could have disproved it myself.

Be careful, starting witch hunts never end well. Gree does seem to be working behind the scenes to kick people who do not want to play by the rules, and they know those rules better than even us forum dwellers

^+1
very well said, i agree that OP has no idea what hes talking about and apparently can't read

[dd_knights]

to defend eunuchorn (who imo should be able to say what he wants on gree's forums - if he had bought shares rather than gems he could own them)

Lol, this just made my day... too funny.

[maple1736]

Do you have proof of that #? Because I saw an interview w/ some of the high ups of Kandy Krush, & that game makes 2-3 mil PER DAY. I hope Gree is doing better than that. I know their other games must be based on war results.

I dn't tbh but this is the figue after when they launch this game for about two weeks. So I gusse it is much higher now! This game makes no where close to the likes of MM and CC but it's probably going to in the future.

A word about other hackers: even if they exist in this game, as long as they don't do something so obvious, it is not quite possible to detect them with 100% accuracy. GREE might want to devote more energy to game development and marketing. These hackers can sometimes act as motivator or stimulator to push others to buy gems and open DPC...

[Marco_]

PS here's my alt:

Oh wow... If you make another alt, name it something like "Number1Customer". ;)

The last time I've spent more than $75 on a computer game must have been 20+ years ago. (though League of Legends is now getting close to that mark... And on the other hand, I spend $75-150/month on anime just like that...)
I did just drop the remaining funds of a pre-paid creditcard on the gem sale to buy 95 of them though, so I did my part to support this game.

[Marco_]

A word about other hackers: even if they exist in this game, as long as they don't do something so obvious, it is not quite possible to detect them with 100% accuracy.
Simple solution: move all intelligence out of the client and onto the server.
Then the client is just there to accept user input, send it to the server and then after the server has verified the correctness of the input and calculated the result, receive a command from the server exactly what to render on screen.
To do that all in realtime, of course a much beefier server is needed, though then the server should be able to reject impossible/fake input from the client or maybe even issue auto-bans if such fake input attempts happens too often.

[Grruumm]

of course a much beefier server is needed, though then the server should be able to reject impossible/fake input from the client or maybe even issue auto-bans if such fake input attempts happens too often.

AFAIK this is in the works is it not? I think Wise One said as much to that guy that opened a bunch of dpc and didn't like what he got, not sure if the post is still around tho.

[D3athShade]

How to recognize a hacker:

His name is Hyperziz and he is stupid enough to create a thread where he shows what and how he hacked xD

[Lcharlie]

Jamie, I am with you. Lots of hackers in the game weekly. The cape believe it or not does get purchased by some of the big spenders in the game like Euny. You are on the right track though. Those people with improbably amounts of arena points or lowly armor that dishes out 1000pts damage or all of a sudden boasts they have 9 black K armors from chests are most likely cheating. gree seem to catch them in batches meaning we will go several weeks with suspected hackers and then all of a sudden they all get banned. They could be much more efficient in identifying them and also unfortunately they don't do anything with guilds that benefit from hackers either so in a way it encourages people to hack with a jailbreak device and donate a ton to the guild and if that account gets banned the guild and their main characters have already indirectly benefitted. Until gree resets guilds that benefits from members that hack, we will just have to live with it.

[maple1736]

Simple solution: move all intelligence out of the client and onto the server.
Then the client is just there to accept user input, send it to the server and then after the server has verified the correctness of the input and calculated the result, receive a command from the server exactly what to render on screen.
To do that all in realtime, of course a much beefier server is needed, though then the server should be able to reject impossible/fake input from the client or maybe even issue auto-bans if such fake input attempts happens too often.

It's, you are absolutely right! But don't think GREE will change it as there is a tradeoff. Also, it might increase client mobile data down/upload so not everyone will welcome that...

[Marco_]

Also, it might increase client mobile data down/upload so not everyone will welcome that...
Well...
- FPS games long, long ago used to be played over dialup modems
- on the PC I mostly play the "MOBA" game League of Legends. A lot more goes on per second in it than in this game, yet the downstream data for a ~35 minute game captured by its external replay program is only about 10 Mbyte, so I would very much doubt that a fully thin client - server version of KnD would produce more than a few megabytes of traffic per hour of constant tapping...

[Grruumm]

...so I would very much doubt that a fully thin client - server version of KnD would produce more than a few megabytes of traffic per hour of constant tapping...

Which is quite a lot over a month, too much for a mobile game imho when many fair usage data limits are ~500mb.

( Currently my android version will not reliably save my progress when on wifi, so I must stick to mobile data :/ )

[Marco_]

Which is quite a lot over a month, too much for a mobile game imho when many fair usage data limits are ~500mb.

Well, I mentioned "constant tapping" as extreme case. (or are people actually spending multiple playtime hours per day farming and boss/arena/friend battling? For me it's just few minutes burst followed by long "almost no data" gaps to let gold and/or knights recover, crafting to finish etc.)

But those usage limits are just trolling... If I watch a game stream over wifi or ethernet, I burn through that in 1 or 2 hours. No idea why they're rolling out next gen mobile networks when they're not giving people the capacity to make full use of those... </rant>

[Eunuchorn]

Well, I mentioned "constant tapping" as extreme case. (or are people actually spending multiple playtime hours per day farming and boss/arena/friend battling? For me it's just few minutes burst followed by long "almost no data" gaps to let gold and/or knights recover, crafting to finish etc.)

But those usage limits are just trolling... If I watch a game stream over wifi or ethernet, I burn through that in 1 or 2 hours. No idea why they're rolling out next gen mobile networks when they're not giving people the capacity to make full use of those... </rant>

Same reason the US want to bring free wireless Internet to the continent of Africa while gouging is w/ high fees & dead zones. Same reason we pay for food & energy (these could have been globally free hundreds of times over a long time ago). Economy based societies are a real b*tch. Please stop voting.

As to guilds benefitting from hackers, Gree won't do anything about this, too many innocent players in the group contributing, Gree would have a major PR issue & possibly a lawsuit on their hands for punishing people who very well could have paid money for gold/gems. I have personally spent a few thousand gems on gold & silver chests to aid w/ fusion guild quests etc. I was in a MW guild & the GM had a jailbroken phone & was donating billions a day for months before Gree banned him. Guild didn't get touched.

[Badhairdayz]

Explains why your guild levels so fast then!

[quantumace]

@quantumace If you go read my 12 pages of posts since I joined forum you would see I'm quite condescending & blunt. What's worse is he took my answer, and such as is typical of any egoistic human (all of you), didn't even actually try to comprehend what he read or why I was being so antagonistic. He merely repeat himself. I hate this world.


The condescending & blunt part I totally get. I havent been on the forums much in the last several weeks, so I just thought it was odd that you ignored the overall point of his post, and just refuted specific details.

[Sir.]

The condescending & blunt part I totally get. I havent been on the forums much in the last several weeks, so I just thought it was odd that you ignored the overall point of his post, and just refuted specific details.

Well, his overall point was made by condescending and blunt examples. I don't really think that's details.

[jamiedmc]

I didn't know that capes were limitless once purchased. I did buy a couple of capes but didn't really play with them much, so I never figured that out. Eunuchorn's first reply didn't spell this out and wasn't very clear, but thank you to the others that cleared this up later in the thread. That does change the equation a bit tho, and simply having cape spectaculars wouldn't necessarily make someone a hacker (just a fool lol).

I think a lot of you are missing the point of this post. IT was supposed to be an attempt to talk about the issue of hackers in this game in a fun way. Can't help noticing the irony of how quick some were to get so defensive. Hmmmmm.... Hackers have been a problem in this game, as they are in all games I guess. It is just the further I get into this game the more I see them and how they ruin the game. There is a lot I know that I can't go into detail on, but if any of you think that people are not hacking this game, then think again.

I would feel much more comfortable and confident if we were all working together to get these cheaters out of the game. I am quite surprised that anybody would disagree with this.

Just to reiterate, I know we can't prove someone is hacking by observing their game play, but we can make some pretty educated guesses, and know who to keep an eye on. As someone wisely pointed out, think of them as red flags.

A couple more:
~ Constantly changing name
~ Having new armors as soon as they come out (more than a couple times anyway)

We can't KNOW that these people are hackers. It is quite possible that they spend thousands of dollars on this game, but mostly only people like me and Eun and a few others are that stupid lol....

If it comes down to "he is spending thousands of dollars" or "he is hacking", it is going to be "hacking" 99 times out of 100. That is just common sense.

[Eunuchorn]

Ungh, too many things to quote.

You spend $1000's of dollars but don't have Majestic Cape? You prob still use the "big 4" too? Again, I'm not a fool for having the cape, I just have more disposable income than you.

There's only one way to fix the problem, & it isn't witch hunting. All of grees programming is client side. As the game gets more popular, they are slowly moving things server side. As per your longterm conditioning, you'd rather attack your fellow man rather than the entity playing god.

Constantly changing name makes you a hacker? You're usually bronze medal I'm guessing?

Having new armors as soon as they come out? What does that even mean. I got combustion within 30 minutes in chest # 76. Ill show you my iTunes receipts, trust me, you don't want to see them.
New boss armors? Brosky, 40 gems gets me to kill 30 on day 1. 80 gems to finish a craft & start boosting to 35? Pennies. I've been spending 80+ gems on EE per boss since before you were born. I was top 3 on every boss from Battlesuit to HalfDragon, before the GLITCHERS really started abusing GREES INEPT PROGRAMMING, which yes, Gree would deem as hacking. Everything you think is some genius hacker is just some 13 year old who understands the universal concept of time far better than you.

You want hackers? Look for level 100+ w/ Deva as their first boss. Heck, they might even have some DPC only armors or dragon armors. But to say someone having a "final form" armor is a hacker, well I just found the ignorance in your first post so blatant, I didn't think it could get worse. You want change? Don't start witch hunts, petition Gree. If I were you, I wouldn't worry about it, Corporatism is here to stay.

I play legit, & my credit card pays dearly for it, & I've been a top player a long time. Just because my guild is ridiculously organized, active, & well funded, doesn't mean you can go around accusing people of hacking. Well you could, but no one is going to care, because your 1 teeny voice among billions.

Before you respond w/ a vehement post, don't take anything I said personally. Our society is a cesspit & we've been mentally & physically conditioned over 2000+ years to get to this point. My first post tried to get you to think & dig deeper, not explain basic fundamentals of the game, or teach you how to hack by pointing out real ways to catch people, though I'm glad someone else felt like teaching kindergarten class today. Im sure you represent a fair portion of forum lurkers.

By the way, why dont you PM Wisey & ask him how often he is contacted by RR members reporting obvious glitchers? Maybe report that guy wearing 3 of the same cape. Surely he doesn't make more money than you!

P.S.- money doesn't exist & please stop voting.

[dd_knights]

You spend $1000's of dollars but don't have Majestic Cape? You prob still use the "big 4" too? Again, I'm not a fool for having the cape, I just have more disposable income than you.


Uh, yes you are a fool and nice assumption that you have more disposable income. Some people just spend their disposable income wisely.

I've read a few of your posts and you are just one pitiful and ugly human being. Nothing but arrogance and insults spew from your mouth and for what? Because you are the king of wasteful spending? It's not like this game requires any sort of skill... just time and/or money (or cheating).

Go ahead, flame away. I'm going to grab some more popcorn.

[D3athShade]

Explains why your guild levels so fast then!

Dude really? There are more then 30 high lvl players in that guild so they probably burn through their guild quests.

Use your god damn common sense...

Imo: this post can be closed. The purpose of this post was to identify POSSIBLE hackers but this is just turning into 1 big chaotic post.
I don't take a side, neither Euny's or the OP's. I mostly always stay neutral. I learned a lot thanks to all the players and the great community and there are a few players i'd like to thank specially because i am only lvl 80 and they added me although they only accept high lvl players, so thank you to Euny, Nymira and ThatzMe (and the rest of my list that accepted me)

Peace

[BethMo]

3891
http://www.funzio.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3891&d=1373340646
Now that's a nice hack.

[Eunuchorn]

Uh, yes you are a fool and nice assumption that you have more disposable income. Some people just spend their disposable income wisely.
I've read a few of your posts and you are just one pitiful and ugly human being. Nothing but arrogance and insults spew from your mouth and for what? Because you are the king of wasteful spending? It's not like this game requires any sort of skill... just time and/or money (or cheating).

There is no such thing as 'wisely spent' disposable income. There is no such thing as money. 'Economies' are inherently evil, & merely a strict control system. We are trapped in a dualistic slave reality. http://web.photodex.com/view/kp9xxxm4
Planets are round because a circle is the perfect trap.
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10-Year cost to !End World Hunger!: $3 Billion
(stats were before we hit the breaking point, global economic collapse is in our near future)
Watch the documentary 'Gashole' - They were building cars with 200 miles to the gallon in the 40's.

I'm anything but arrogant; diagnosed treatment-resistant unipolar depression, sociopathic, nihilistic, fatalistic, OCD, ADD, ADHD, & insomnia since 2003. I live the purest apathy, which comes off as arrogance to people with beliefs/desires/passions. Someone recently said to me 'It must be nice to be so perfect.' No, I assure you, it's a curse.
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[Superchicken13]

Gree needs to come out with a tinfoil hat that costs a million gems so Eunuchorn can buy it. Maybe he'll buy three so his whole arena team can wear them ;)

[Miyabi]

So much bull n sheet talkings...
How you know when a player is hacking....?
When the guild element bonuses that were purchase are removed by gree.. LoL
Wonder which guild elements drop... Hmmmmm

[Dexavus]

Having new armors as soon as they come out? What does that even mean. I got combustion within 30 minutes in chest # 76.

You got it on chest 76? Because I can clearly see your thread in general that has a title of "133 independence chests=combustion regular". Which is it? Maybe if you stopped contradicting yourself we would actually believe a word that you type.

Also, care to elaborate on why your guild currently had element bonuses taken away by gree? Have anything to do with one of your old high ranking members King getting banned for hacking or for someone else getting caught doing the same? I look forward to laughing at your reply .

[overcire]

67 chests and no combustion armour! Or rather 132 chests and no combustion armour! I am bad at statistics, I have been told a large sample size is bad. But I am good at electronics and I love ridiculously large sample sizes compared to small ones. But when you are given a bunch of data, in this case chests, why would you care which chest contained the goods? and why would eun stop at a non + version of an armor when he still had gems left? I like to watch him shout as much as the next person, but could you go poke some other bear with a stick for a while?

[Dexavus]

67 chests and no combustion armour! Or rather 132 chests and no combustion armour! I am bad at statistics, I have been told a large sample size is bad. But I am good at electronics and I love ridiculously large sample sizes compared to small ones. But when you are given a bunch of data, in this case chests, why would you care which chest contained the goods? and why would eun stop at a non + version of an armor when he still had gems left? I like to watch him shout as much as the next person, but could you go poke some other bear with a stick for a while?

It's not the fact that he got it in one or the other, it's the fact that he made a thread shortly after the chests came out stating it took him 133 chests to achieve the regular version. Yet in this thread he's ripping into a guy, as usual, and uses a completely different number for when he got his regular. Both numbers are very specific and not round about numbers like 120ish or 130ish. He wants to tell people how it is but can't keep what he says straight. Weather he likes to believe it or not there are more forum goers that think he is full of crap than what he actually sees, some folks just won't take the time to post.

[Eunuchorn]

It's not the fact that he got it in one or the other, it's the fact that he made a thread shortly after the chests came out stating it took him 133 chests to achieve the regular version. Yet in this thread he's ripping into a guy, as usual, and uses a completely different number for when he got his regular. Both numbers are very specific and not round about numbers like 120ish or 130ish. He wants to tell people how it is but can't keep what he says straight. Weather he likes to believe it or not there are more forum goers that think he is full of crap than what he actually sees, some folks just won't take the time to post.

Whether*
& I'm confused on what exactly it is I believe forum goers think. Could you elaborate?

Oh & I don't keep track of what chest # had what, but I can count my fusion boosts armors at the end to see how many 11 packs I purchased. In this case, 13. That's almost a whole guild quest right there, legitimately. & I'm only 1 of 30 gem spenders in my guild. I'm sorry I invited then kicked ppl when guilds were released, but with this attitude,
we will never let you in our coalition.

[Miyabi]

Bla bla bla... Hello? Who is that mumbling.?
Hello..? Anybody there..?

[Dexavus]

Whether*
& I'm confused on what exactly it is I believe forum goers think. Could you elaborate?

Oh & I don't keep track of what chest # had what, but I can count my fusion boosts armors at the end to see how many 11 packs I purchased. In this case, 13. That's almost a whole guild quest right there, legitimately. & I'm only 1 of 30 gem spenders in my guild. I'm sorry I invited then kicked ppl when guilds were released, but with this attitude,
we will never let you in our coalition.

You don't keep track of which chest contained what but you gave 2 very specific and different numbers on when you achieved your first combustion armor, which is yet another contradiction. On 7-4-13 you made a post saying it took you 133 chests to get your combustion regular, yet on page 4 of this post on 7-8-13 you said you received it on chest 76 so in the course of 4 days the amount of chests it supposedly took you dropped by 57 chests? I'm wondering how that actually works.

As for you being 1 of 30 gem spenders, considering King, who was also in RR was banned for hacking its hard to say how many of those 30 are actually legitimate.

And to address your last sentence, I've never applied or even thought of applying to RR, and no where in my post did I hint about wanting to be part of your "coalition", so that is perfectly fine with me.

[Jaygan]

Sounds like someone's panties are a bit too tight.
If you want to know more about why the bonuses were reset, I suggest checking this out:

http://tinyurl.com/bqxvxmt


Now that's cleared up,
See you on the battlefield, kiddies!

Jaygan

[deathexe]

You don't keep track of which chest contained what but you gave 2 very specific and different numbers on when you achieved your first combustion armor, which is yet another contradiction. On 7-4-13 you made a post saying it took you 133 chests to get your combustion regular, yet on page 4 of this post on 7-8-13 you said you received it on chest 76 so in the course of 4 days the amount of chests it supposedly took you dropped by 57 chests? I'm wondering how that actually works.

As for you being 1 of 30 gem spenders, considering King, who was also in RR was banned for hacking its hard to say how many of those 30 are actually legitimate.

And to address your last sentence, I've never applied or even thought of applying to RR, and no where in my post did I hint about wanting to be part of your "coalition", so that is perfectly fine with me.

Hey Dex, just want to clarify certain matters. Firstly, Eunuchorn had never said he has gotten his combustion armor on his 133rd chest. He only said in his previous thread, that in 133 chests, he had only gotten a combustion and tempered from them, the notable armors that is.

Secondly, I do not enjoy being labelled a hacker or a game exploiter, or even a potential one at that. In RR, we're anything but supportive of exploiters or hackers of any sort. The problem about this was that we were not aware that a exploiter or hacker was in our presence, as we had believed that the gold that had been contributed had been bought by him, since he was a gem spender. This was obviously not the case, and in all fairness, I'd say that the nerf to our elements was fair, as the gold lost through the nerf would at least be a way to penalize us for having a hacker in or midst at that point of time. I do hope that the actions of 1 or 2 black sheep will not be the one that defines us.

[Miyabi]

Yawnzzzz... Kiddies with stupid youtube videos..
Zzzz yawn...

[Jaygan]

Yawnzzzz... Kiddies with stupid youtube videos..
Zzzz yawn...

Your emotional response is exactly how I feel this thread is turning out, so I've conveyed exactly what I wanted it to.
Thanks for your support!

[GCSpyder]

cute puppy

[Eunuchorn]

Miyabi if your going to bump the thread, at least make a worthwhile post.

Maybe make a signature & avatar while you're at it.

I liked that video, took the edge off of Dex's very antagonistic view of us. You're taking this whole Chest #this or that far too literally. & what the crap does it matter anyways lol. I bought 133 chests, I got a combustion in there somewhere, end of story. Your whole point is ridiculously convoluted.

King was hacking DPC chests to get ****+ armors. I can really see how that helped us power level the guild. Oh wait, maybe not. & ya, he was banned for hacking. Well, im pretty sure the other 38 members of my guild are still here so wth does that tell you?

[Miyabi]

Lol
1 chicken say gold hack so forfeit element bonus, 1 duck say gem hack to get 4****+ armors only.
Lmao. Yawnzzz...

[King Mark]

1. All 3 knights are wearing cape spectaculars (who is going to pay $85 for a cape? nevermind 3 of them...)

2. They are level 40 and they have Black Kale and Aegis of the Dragon in final form.

3. ??

Any more? How do you spot the hackers?


I find your ignorance baffling. Or maybe just your lack of income. You obviously haven't even bought the non-gem cape.



Um, I could be level 1 w/ 10,000 gems & any # of DPC only armor at 70/70. At worst, that guys armors are only level 35.

Want to try again?? You're on the right track.

I think the Thread Starter's motive was to ask other forum members how they spot possible hackers. Perhaps the wordings weren't clearly stated, but that's how I understand his thread as a whole.

Now, I don't get why some people here are either too aggressive or defensive regarding the TS and each other. And sorry Eunuchorn, what you've said about the TS's "maybe" lack of income is uncalled for. You may not admit that you're sounding a bit cocky and arrogant in your posts ... I hate to say it, but you do.

I know some other guys here too who have been nice and helpful, so let's all keep things cool and civilized. Regarding Rainbow's guild, I don't think it's fair for anyone to accuse the whole guild simply because one was found hacking. It wouldn't be fair to those players playing legit. However, others have the right to doubt yes, but please don't come accusing them without any proof.

Well, there goes my 2 cents. LOL!^^

@TS:
Hard for me to spot hackers, but would be helpful indeed to at least know some things to look for as red flags.

[Thatzme]

You don't keep track of which chest contained what but you gave 2 very specific and different numbers on when you achieved your first combustion armor, which is yet another contradiction. On 7-4-13 you made a post saying it took you 133 chests to get your combustion regular, yet on page 4 of this post on 7-8-13 you said you received it on chest 76 so in the course of 4 days the amount of chests it supposedly took you dropped by 57 chests? I'm wondering how that actually works.

As for you being 1 of 30 gem spenders, considering King, who was also in RR was banned for hacking its hard to say how many of those 30 are actually legitimate.

And to address your last sentence, I've never applied or even thought of applying to RR, and no where in my post did I hint about wanting to be part of your "coalition", so that is perfectly fine with me.

Where did all these kids come from? You and Zonkman must be buddies irl.

Before you go abt spewing nonsense about anyone in RR, apart from King, show some proof. Chorn is right in saying that the rest of the guild is still here says something. You obviously have no idea how much we've spent on this game so here's a little glimpse for you.

http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/w382/thatzme18/6d0c3fd3c2de102a4b6e0b2030154f5f_zpsf2703d40.jpg

http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/w382/thatzme18/87071e718a2d0d2c0940b4f82adf9039_zps32f36bc9.jpg

http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/w382/thatzme18/9091715c53898af1582a9144bee63a95_zps742028aa.jpg

You obviously have not encountered itunes blocking ur purchases because you've not bought enough gems but some of us have.

Ur lvl of comprehension with regards to opening 133 chests and getting a combustion on the 76th astounds me.

[Justice711]

Hey Dex, just want to clarify certain matters. Firstly, Eunuchorn had never said he has gotten his combustion armor on his 133rd chest. He only said in his previous thread, that in 133 chests, he had only gotten a combustion and tempered from them, the notable armors that is.

Secondly, I do not enjoy being labelled a hacker or a game exploiter, or even a potential one at that. In RR, we're anything but supportive of exploiters or hackers of any sort. The problem about this was that we were not aware that a exploiter or hacker was in our presence, as we had believed that the gold that had been contributed had been bought by him, since he was a gem spender. This was obviously not the case, and in all fairness, I'd say that the nerf to our elements was fair, as the gold lost through the nerf would at least be a way to penalize us for having a hacker in or midst at that point of time. I do hope that the actions of 1 or 2 black sheep will not be the one that defines us.

deathexe, u guys really need to be more careful with your guild recruits...

first King then now this downgrade of elements.. doesn't reflect good on the whole rainbow coalition

u do know that the whole K&D whole is looking towards u guys since you all level your guild so quickly. Plus your guild got such a naturally talented leader in propaganda.

I am sure u guys will be clear when u have a guild member is a hacker. its quite easily spotted plus your whole guild is filled with 'experience' players.

u know how tough is it to level 1 level 70 armor & how much effort is it to finish all the quest on your guild so if someone tries something funny, u guys shld be first to react. :)

lets all enjoy this game together & let hacker guild like some "world BS" crash & burn..

[Thatzme]

deathexe, u guys really need to be more careful with your guild recruits...

first King then now this downgrade of elements.. doesn't reflect good on the whole rainbow coalition

u do know that the whole K&D whole is looking towards u guys since you all level your guild so quickly. Plus your guild got such a naturally talented leader in propaganda.

I am sure u guys will be clear when u have a guild member is a hacker. its quite easily spotted plus your whole guild is filled with 'experience' players.

u know how tough is it to level 1 level 70 armor & how much effort is it to finish all the quest on your guild so if someone tries something funny, u guys shld be first to react. :)

lets all enjoy this game together & let hacker guild like some "world BS" crash & burn..

Justice, guess we got carried away with lvling and wanting to be the best that sometimes it's easy to turn a blind eye to things that seem out of the norm. Thanks for the encouragement, we'll recover from this and put in a good fight during guild wars.

On a side note, some of your guild members are coming at us passionately. A little trashtalking and competition is good fun, I just dun want it to go overboard. This is not a faction based game, we r still a great community regardless of guilds.

[600RR]

It's mindless posts such as these, Miyabi, Justice, Dex that show exactly the kind of judgemental, ignorant and pigheaded child you obviously are. Until you know exactly what goes on in our guild I suggest you keep your beak out untill such point information is in the public domain.

Quite frankly i'm fed up of you and Dragon posting on here consistantly poking at us and making snide comments about King and other members in our guild and how unfair it is. In both circumstances we were unaware of the situation unfolding and has cost us dearly because of their mistakes.

If you continue to make derogatory remarks be it direct or indirect intervention from The Wise One is looking like a strong possibility.

Wise up, sunshine.

[Miyabi]

LoL woh woh woh, who started saying guild names lor, did i even mention any names or guilds?
?_?
We are in a spotting hacker how to thread~
Not some kiddos tat post youtube videos

[Genocide788]

Speaking of which, Is anyone taking care of that guild with 43 elemental purchases; Boats N' Ho**?

[Thatzme]

LoL woh woh woh, who started saying guild names lor, did i even mention any names or guilds?
?_?
We are in a spotting hacker how to thread~
Not some kiddos tat post youtube videos

Lol wah lau mai an ni pai kuan leh. Bonus kanna zap feel damn lousy oredi still wanna di siao us.

[Miyabi]

Lol wah lau mai an ni pai kuan leh. Bonus kanna zap feel damn lousy oredi still wanna di siao us.

Ok lah, xin jia po ren gei mian zi ba..

Back to the 40+ elements guild then.

We 2 side game nia, dun worry ba, somemore u all confirm stronger too~ :)

[Justice711]

How to spot a hacker?

Look for the guild tag "Cent" or "Centurion" in their player name. Works with about 90% accuracy.

It's mindless posts such as these, Miyabi, Justice, Dex that show exactly the kind of judgemental, ignorant and pigheaded child you obviously are. Until you know exactly what goes on in our guild I suggest you keep your beak out untill such point information is in the public domain.

Quite frankly i'm fed up of you and Dragon posting on here consistantly poking at us and making snide comments about King and other members in our guild and how unfair it is. In both circumstances we were unaware of the situation unfolding and has cost us dearly because of their mistakes.

If you continue to make derogatory remarks be it direct or indirect intervention from The Wise One is looking like a strong possibility.

Wise up, sunshine.

P.S - Bet you don't like me making accusations against you; Exactly the same as you doing it to us with regards to legit gem spenders.

seriously dude.. u want to talk like this?

& u r asking us to wake up?

[Thatzme]

Ok lah, xin jia po ren gei mian zi ba..

Back to the 40+ elements guild then.

We 2 side game nia, dun worry ba, somemore u all confirm stronger too~ :)

Haha, thanks brah. Becos of bonus zap, guild morale damn low. You guys are very strong as well, will be good contest. Yeah we already submitted that guild to wise one, so hope gree can zap them also.

[Justice711]

hey thatzme.. u better ask 600RR to read before he post...

[GCSpyder]

hahaha... Miyabi suak suak ki... ah bo lan kong dee bo class... Thatzme kong liao jia gam...

[Miyabi]

Haha, thanks brah. Becos of bonus zap, guild morale damn low. You guys are very strong as well, will be good contest. Yeah we already submitted that guild to wise one, so hope gree can zap them also.

I respect u lah bro, ur spendings i nver doubt!
Haha ok la, at least try to fight with Untouchables for 2nd place. Haha.
Kk back to work first, going knock off liao.

[Miyabi]

hahaha... Miyabi suak suak ki... ah bo lan kong dee bo class... Thatzme kong liao jia gam...

Haha ok suak suak liao. When you coming back tok kok? Lol.
Btw off topic: anybody go thai disco boh? Tonight? LoL

[600RR]

seriously dude.. u want to talk like this?

& u r asking us to wake up?

No 'dude' I do not WANT to talk like this. Your immaturity and accusations are extremely antagonising and irritating and I am fed up of it. A bit of banter I have no problem with, but an outright accusation in just about every thread mentioning hackers, glitches and guilds and one of you decides to have a dig at the guild based on 5% (2) of our members actions and unfairly critise the whole guild?

I like many others have spent hundreds of my money on this game, to be accused of not playing legitamately by the likes of you and your guild members is damn right insulting not to mention uncalled for and un-neccesary. It needs to stop.

Just for the record, I said wise up, not wake up.

[Genocide788]

Haha ok suak suak liao. When you coming back tok kok? Lol.
Btw off topic: anybody go thai disco boh? Tonight? LoL

Fuuuuuh! Go sian siam bu si bo? Should jio thatz, his mojo very strong lately.

[Justice711]

ok.. since u carried on.. might as well..

well u guys got 2%, we got 0% so too bad bro.. u r in a guild that has hackers..

so maybe just maybe.. u guys are in a hacking guild.

1 bad sheep.. u get labeled.

rainbow room cheats.

now please wise up & don't let it happen again.

[Dexavus]

Just wanted to point out I never accused the entire guild of being hackers, and the simple fact that no one from RR said anything about King after he was banned is more than likely why the question still comes up. Now that we know what happened with that situation you more than likely wont see it mentioned again, at least not from me. As thatzme pointed out there are legit folks in RR so good for you all. 600, sorry for roughing your feathers so much ;). As for the rest of RR, looking forward to seeing you in guild wars, should be interesting with the recent bonus changes. Good luck! 

[Miyabi]

Fuuuuuh! Go sian siam bu si bo? Should jio thatz, his mojo very strong lately.

Lol zhun boh?? Tonight going embassy leh, there got korean girls too. LoL.
Siam bu rocks. Haha

[600RR]

ok.. since u carried on.. might as well..

well u guys got 2%, we got 0% so too bad bro.. u r in a guild that has hackers..

so maybe just maybe.. u guys are in a hacking guild.

1 bad sheep.. u get labeled.

rainbow room cheats.

now please wise up & don't let it happen again.

I'm not sure what's more insulting, the fact you're accusing the whole guild of hacking or your blatent lack of intelligence, I mean come on, you can't even structure a sentence properly.

You may think you have 0%, just as we did before having King banned. I sure do hope for your sake none of you are found to be exploiting, cause your comments are gonna blow right up in your face.

Much appreciated Dex, thanks.

[Thatzme]

Lol zhun boh?? Tonight going embassy leh, there got korean girls too. LoL.
Siam bu rocks. Haha

Wah geno, seems we have a few samsters in the house. Siam bu ok, kimchi char bor sibeh tok kong.

[Miyabi]

Wah geno, seems we have a few samsters in the house. Siam bu ok, kimchi char bor sibeh tok kong.
Wah really ar, tonight first time go down try leh, dunno pood sa angrit dai mai.. :(
Go hang gems on them.. LoL

[Raistmar]

When king was actively participating in this forum did anyone question him of being a hacker? He was like us just part of the community. For all we know he was just an active gem spender in this forum. I think that was one of the reason he was recruited into the guild. He was also very friendly and barring his hacking was a cool guy to have as a friend. Tell me when did you start having doubt that he was hacking? For me it was when he started posting all those DPC chest he opened that landed him godly armor.

Where did he do that? In line messenger. When? Right when he was about to get banned. Why did no one call him out then? Because from the beginning we thought he was spending ungoddly amount of gems. Justice, charlie/dragon and Vincent were in that same chat box as every rainbow member was. Why didn't any of you call him out when you think he was hacking? Now that he's gone you go and start accusing the whole guild of taking advantage of what he did?

When he got banned we did not get any explanation from him. So how would we explain it to everyone else when we ourselves was not certain.

[Genocide788]

ok.. since u carried on.. might as well..

well u guys got 2%, we got 0% so too bad bro.. u r in a guild that has hackers..

so maybe just maybe.. u guys are in a hacking guild.

1 bad sheep.. u get labeled.

rainbow room cheats.

now please wise up & don't let it happen again.

I really did not want to get involved but your comments are a little overboard.

1. A basic rule. NPNT.

2. We are living in the 21st century. That form of thinking is rather primitive.

2. If RR really cheats they would all already be banned by now. If you say they wouldn't unless they showed off, i can safely tell you that you don't have to show off to get zapped by Gree. They may sometimes seem to display a lack of competency but they are in no way idiots. I know of one guy who attempted to use the same hack as King. He duplicated DPC keys from 5->100. He didn't even use half of those keys and he didn't even tell anyone that he found a hack, basically no one knew. That is untill he got banned the same time as King. Only then we found out.

3. What if people said all of your guild members are ***holes because of your statements and labeled them such, How would you feel? Do note i am not labeling anyone i am just using this as an example to put my point accross.

While we all enjoy a good debate here, baseless accusations will definitely be met with some form of hostility.

[Genocide788]

Wah geno, seems we have a few samsters in the house. Siam bu ok, kimchi char bor sibeh tok kong.

Ho ho! Samsters speak a whole different language! Kimchi char bor never try before leh.. SG where to find kimchi FL? Wu lobang boh? :confused:

[Miyabi]

Ho ho! Samsters speak a whole different language! Kimchi char bor never try before leh.. SG where to find kimchi FL? Wu lobang boh? :confused:

Embassy!! At bras basar there.. Tonight going down see see. Next time give FR.. LoL

[Genocide788]

Embassy!! At bras basar there.. Tonight going down see see. Next time give FR.. LoL
That 1 is really FL or regular girl? Later ask price bo tai bo ji tio slap!

[Miyabi]

That 1 is really FL or regular girl? Later ask price bo tai bo ji tio slap!

Lol, at odeon tower, last time club soul.
Same td concept, got mix siam bu and kimchi, same pattern lo, hang flower n ld

[KayOrzz]

kaoz this gonna be a sammy forum soon sia

[Genocide788]

Lol, at odeon tower, last time club soul.
Same td concept, got mix siam bu and kimchi, same pattern lo, hang flower n ld

Ohhhhhh no wonder i see Odeon tower so happening.. I like to chill out at the Macs beside cause its so relaxing at night. Didn't know got such happening activities right beside!


kaoz this gonna be a sammy forum soon sia

Lol, 1 more spotted! Oi thatz, we need to make a Line group for this if all the samsters start rearing their heads lol.

[Miyabi]

kaoz this gonna be a sammy forum soon sia

(O_O)!!
Waah another 1.. Community like getting bigger.. Can organise siam tiu already like that..

[KayOrzz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU8qPDIu93I

[Badhairdayz]

How you know someone is hacking?
When the guild loses element bonuses - haha
"we are no cheaters , we are high level skilled players"

[Raistmar]

In-game name: Badhairdayz
Referral code:XBB-RBR-HFY
Level: 90
Why are you a legend(-to-be): Very active player and reading the forum.
Ready to help wherever I can, trying to get nemesis every week to help friends reach boss level 60!
Do you have/will you get Line Messenger: Not yet but I surely will do !

Why so jelly?

If you don't know what happened try to avoid posting pointless comments.

[Matty-cakes]

I'm not sure what's more insulting, the fact you're accusing the whole guild of hacking or your blatent lack of intelligence, I mean come on, you can't even structure a sentence properly.



Just because English might be your first language doesn't mean it's everyone's...

It may be insulting the way that Justice has been posting, but it's not lack of intelligence.

The same comments could be used about people who label others this way when they obviously don't know what they are talking about either.

Sorry, it just bugs me when people criticize punctuation and grammar and the like when a good proportion of the people on here aren't normally using this language.

I'd also like to express my sorrow that this has gotten so out of control. I know from in-guild discussion that most of this was intended to be playful ribbing at the expense of RR, but now has started to turn into bad blood between some of our members. Let's just knock that off. There's no point in having pre-Guild Wars guild wars. :D We should be all still taking advantage of being one big community of players.

[Badhairdayz]

Why so jelly?

If you don't know what happened try to avoid posting pointless comments. Maybe you guys should focus on clearing up maples account first, no?
Oh cool you can quote an old post !
So happy I didn't join back then haha
They didn't took away bonuses for nothing ,
The guild leader should've kicked the hackers when he knew and not making profit of it . He's own fault then

[Raistmar]

Just because English might be your first language doesn't mean it's everyone's...

It may be insulting the way that Justice has been posting, but it's not lack of intelligence.

The same comments could be used about people who label others this way when they obviously don't know what they are talking about either.

Sorry, it just bugs me when people criticize punctuation and grammar and the like when a good proportion of the people on here aren't normally using this language.

I'd also like to express my sorrow that this has gotten so out of control. I know from in-guild discussion that most of this was intended to be playful ribbing at the expense of RR, but now has started to turn into bad blood between some of our members. Let's just knock that off. There's no point in having pre-Guild Wars guild wars. :D We should be all still taking advantage of being one big community of players.

It's better to have it out in the open than a bunch of people takin pot shots at us. That's just rude and shows no class.

[Raistmar]

Oh cool you can quote an old post !
How long did it take ?
So happy I didn't join back then haha
They didn't took away bonuses for nothing ,
The guild leader should've kicked the hackers when he knew and not making profit of it . He's own fault then

Like I said, if you didn't know what happened keep it to yourself rather than post pointless remarks. When did it became apparent king was hacking? Up to that point any of the heavy gem spenders should have been banned if that was your definition of a hacker.

[Matty-cakes]

It's better to have it out in the open than a bunch of people takin pot shots at us. That's just rude and shows no class.

I agree. The Rainbow Coalition had plenty of opportunity to air its "dirty laundry" over the past few weeks, but didn't. It made it seem like you guys had a lot to hide. Hence, you get paranoid players with bad English, like Justice, ;) taking these "pot shots". I wouldn't do it, but obviously others in the K&D community don't have the same level of restraint...

[deathexe]

I agree. The Rainbow Coalition had plenty of opportunity to air its "dirty laundry" over the past few weeks, but didn't. It made it seem like you guys had a lot to hide. Hence, you get paranoid players with bad English, like Justice, ;) taking these "pot shots". I wouldn't do it, but obviously others in the K&D community don't have the same level of restraint...

The problem was had no form of closure of the incident. It had been the first time we've heard of such an incident happening at that point of time and we were extremely surprised, and when we had tried contacting him, believe me, we tried any way we could, he didn't reply. So all we were left with were assumptions, and we didn't want to assume anything, neither did we want to openly accuse him, but it seems like he was in fact guilty.

[Raistmar]

I agree. The Rainbow Coalition had plenty of opportunity to air its "dirty laundry" over the past few weeks, but didn't. It made it seem like you guys had a lot to hide. Hence, you get paranoid players with bad English, like Justice, ;) taking these "pot shots". I wouldn't do it, but obviously others in the K&D community don't have the same level of restraint...

We never did get any response from king, believe me we tried. How would you go about handling that kind of situation?

[600RR]

I agree. The Rainbow Coalition had plenty of opportunity to air its "dirty laundry" over the past few weeks, but didn't. It made it seem like you guys had a lot to hide. Hence, you get paranoid players with bad English, like Justice, ;) taking these "pot shots". I wouldn't do it, but obviously others in the K&D community don't have the same level of restraint...

With all due respect, i'm not sure how it's anyones business other than ours? It's been dealt with by GREE and it should be left at that. King was banned for obvious reasons as the forum is well aware, but we have no more information to give than has already been placed in the public domain.

Why we're being made out as some 'baddies' I don't know, we had 2 isolated incidents of which we were unaware of exploitations as was everyone else so it seems, yet all of a sudden we are expected to tell everyone what happened when we're still working that out ourselves.

[Matty-cakes]

We never did get any response from king, believe me we tried. How would you go about handling that kind of situation?

I'm not calling you guys out on anything. I was just trying to agree with you Raistmar, that the sooner things are out in the open, the less hypothesizing you get from outsiders. A simple "we don't know what's going on with King" would have sufficed. Personally, I don't care if you have 0 cheaters or all cheaters. Everyone should be free to play the game the way that they like. If someone likes to play by taking shortcuts or likes to feel the rush of trying to get away with something, that's their prerogative. They just have to accept the consequences if/when caught. Whomever that person's "friends" are should not be punished or negatively stigmatized. I was "friends" with King. Should I have all my EPIC boss and arena wins taken away from when I used his character to help? Certainly not. I hope you can see that not everyone is "against" you, nor does everyone think that you are "baddies". You just have to realize that as the highest levelled guild, you are under the most public scrutiny. Maybe guys like Justice are just a little envious. :p

[WarChicken]

this has been a really informative/entertaining read, but either go back on topic or just plain close this thread..

You know it's a hacker when...

1. an hour into a new weeks tournament someone already has over a gazillion points to their name. (someone posted a pic a few pages back). saw one before(never did bother and take ss) but yeah!

2. same with the epic boss i guess (unless spending gems helps you reach million+ dmg in short amount of time)

[Raistmar]

I'm not calling you guys out on anything. I was just trying to agree with you Raistmar, that the sooner things are out in the open, the less hypothesizing you get from outsiders. A simple "we don't know what's going on with King" would have sufficed. Personally, I don't care if you have 0 cheaters or all cheaters. Everyone should be free to play the game the way that they like. If someone likes to play by taking shortcuts or likes to feel the rush of trying to get away with something, that's their prerogative. They just have to accept the consequences if/when caught. Whomever that person's "friends" are should not be punished or negatively stigmatized. I was "friends" with King. Should I have all my EPIC boss and arena wins taken away from when I used his character to help? Certainly not. I hope you can see that not everyone is "against" you, nor does everyone think that you are "baddies". You just have to realize that as the highest levelled guild, you are under the most public scrutiny. Maybe guys like Justice are just a little envious. :p

Sorry if my response came out as being too confrontive.

When Charlie/dragon and justice asked us about king on line messenger we told them we don't know what happened with king as we never got any response from him. And there was never any open discussion about this till now in the forum.

[shukai84]

close the thread liao lah...it is getting boring already...NBx

[King Mark]

Unfortunately, this thread has become a platform between 2 opposing guilds ... throwing things back and forth.

If we all can't stick on the topic, then might as well indeed close or delete this thread. If the people concerned have things to clarify or whatnot, kindly make your own thread or talk about it privately.

Cheers!

@Thread Starter:
Do you mind making a new thread related to your original post to clear the smoke around here and delete this one? Thanks!^^

[Raistmar]

close the thread liao lah...it is getting boring already...NBx


Unfortunately, this thread has become a platform between 2 opposing guilds ... throwing things back and forth.

If we all can't stick on the topic, then might as well indeed close or delete this thread. If the people concerned have things to clarify or whatnot, kindly make your own thread or talk about it privately.

Cheers!

@Thread Starter:
Do you mind making a new thread related to your original post to clear the smoke around here and delete this one? Thanks!^^

this has been a really informative/entertaining read, but either go back on topic or just plain close this thread..

You know it's a hacker when...

1. an hour into a new weeks tournament someone already has over a gazillion points to their name. (someone posted a pic a few pages back). saw one before(never did bother and take ss) but yeah!

2. same with the epic boss i guess (unless spending gems helps you reach million+ dmg in short amount of time)


As matty had said this thread was supposedly to be a 'playful ribbing' directed at us, do you think we should just sit and take it all in?

So I guess it's doing its purpose.

[King Mark]

1. All 3 knights are wearing cape spectaculars (who is going to pay $85 for a cape? nevermind 3 of them...)

2. They are level 40 and they have Black Kale and Aegis of the Dragon in final form.

3. ??

Any more? How do you spot the hackers?


As matty had said this thread was supposedly to be a 'playful ribbing' directed at us, The Rainbow Room do you think we should just sit and take it all in?

So I guess it's doing its purpose.

@Raist:

So let me just get this straight, the original TS names "jamiedmc" from "The Untouchables" guild "supposedly" made this thread to be a 'playful ribbing' directed at Rainbow guild? Sorry, just asking coz Matty's from Centurions while the TS from another one. Perhaps it was the replies here from Centurions that are "supposed" to be a 'playful ribbing'? but not the thread nor the motive of the original TS? I could be wrong .....

[Raistmar]

@Raist:

So let me just get this straight, the original TS names "jamiedmc" from "The Untouchables" guild "supposedly" made this thread to be a 'playful ribbing' directed at Rainbow guild? Sorry, just asking coz Matty's from Centurions while the TS from another one. Perhaps it was the replies here from Centurions that are "supposed" to be a 'playful ribbing'? but not the thread nor the motive of the original TS? I could be wrong .....

I did not connect the two so my bad.

But still there are post that are obviously directed at us how would you react if its directed at you?

Edit: typos.

[King Mark]

@Raist:

I do understand how you feel, but you guys know you did what you can to contact King & dealt with the situation the best you can. I believe it's enough. However, others would still find fault in you and mock you, since that's how "politics" works even in virtual games like this. Some would delight themselves in sticking their fingers in your eyes. Just let them be and it's best if everyone moves on.

@All: 'Nuff of the drama guys. Guild wars hasn't started yet ^^ Enjoy the game and keep hunting snakeskins, hahaha!

Cheers!

[WarChicken]

@Raist:

@All: 'Nuff of the drama guys. Guild wars hasn't started yet ^^ Enjoy the game and keep hunting snakeskins, hahaha!

Cheers!

+1! now if only i can have a Medusa Headgear, that'd be nice to wear while farming her!
(it's like a prefight hype for a megamillion boxing match or the wrestlemania! *sniff* ah! i can already smell the smoke from the coming carnage of GW!)

[Thatzme]

I've seen worse trashtalking in other games I've played, this is just the tip of the iceberg. Can't wait for forum drama when guild wars in finally here. Then I can camp this place with popcorn.

[KayOrzz]

I've seen worse trashtalking in other games I've played, this is just the tip of the iceberg. Can't wait for forum drama when guild wars in finally here. Then I can camp this place with popcorn.

I'd rather teh neh neh bro

[Thatzme]

I'd rather teh neh neh bro

U sound like one of my rl chionging buddy, always asking me to go to Jb to teh neh neh

[Lcharlie]

I wasn't going to post in this war of tongues but since someone brought my name into it for no reason and accused anyone with centurions tag a cheater, I will add my two cents. First, no one from my guild is accusing all RR members from cheating so please don't take it that way. Many of you are on my friends list and we know you play legit so you don't need to be defensive and post your receipts, credit scores, voter registration card, etc. On the other hand, hacking and cheating has been associated with your guild like it or not. All K&D players know it. It has been proven and you have been punished by Gree so that is that. There is no reason to debate how much hacking helped you or if the punishment justifies the crime. Things will eventually catch up with hackers. From my perspective you all now start at square one as a legit guild again. Some of the other top guilds like Rainbow party, Untouchables, Centurions don't have this stigma because we have been playing clean and have had no proof or linkage to any suspicion of hacking. Whomever earlier said that centurions are cheating, please name a single player in our guild that even looks suspicious of cheating. Finally, for players that have been playing for some time, we are pretty good at spotting who the cheaters might be which is what Jamie is trying to point out. Are you telling me that you believe a guild with 40 bonuses is really all top spenders? If not, then you are agreeing with Jamie's point and post. Spending a lot of money is no indication of cheating but having a Million points in the arena most certainly is. There is no reason to attack a guy even if you disagree. Some members of this forum and you know who they are like to attack other people's opinions and I can't figure out if it is a power trip or insecurity. Let junior members of this forum speak their mind and ask dumb questions. We all have done it when we first started. Just read the posts and you see the same 2-3 guys bad mouthing/censuring other members for their opinions and questions. For members of other top guilds, we have nothing but respect and look forward to the competition but the only way to heal a negative stigma is time, sincerity and fair play. Thanks for reading.

[Sir.]

The amount of ignorance in this thread is astonishing. To all the accusing by implying, followed by hiding behind the fact that you didn't directly accuse anyone: grow some balls and learn to speak up. The backstabbing and acting like nothing happened just lacks of any respect or character whatsoever. If you wanna say something, say it. Don't imply it and hide behind what you didn't say. This would avoid a lot of these pointless discussions, might actually lead to some proper ones rather than just throwing mud around.

[KayOrzz]

U sound like one of my rl chionging buddy, always asking me to go to Jb to teh neh neh

Haha I blame miyabi

[600RR]

Dragon, I brought your name into it because I have seen you make a comment about 'a certain guild with a certain player' in regards to their DPC contents. The comment was clearly aimed at King, I can't recall if it were you or L C Charlie at this p oint but I assumed it was you. If i'm wrong I apologise. I do have several points to make however:

Point 1; A member of your guild has indeed accused all RR members of cheating, please see bolded text below.


ok.. since u carried on.. might as well..

well u guys got 2%, we got 0% so too bad bro.. u r in a guild that has hackers..

so maybe just maybe.. u guys are in a hacking guild.

1 bad sheep.. u get labeled.

rainbow room cheats.
now please wise up & don't let it happen again.

Point 2; Legitimate players are being FALSELY accused of hacking (by one of your members I might add), without receipts we cannot prove otherwise. You can't question an Itunes receipt so it was required in this case to get him off our backs.

Point 3; Hacking and glitching has been associated with our guild, and we accept that. What we won't stand by and listen to is being told we are all hackers and all have the same mentality and have massively benfitted from such actions. We've been penalised and the line needs to be drawn there.

Point 4; My post when I mentioned players tagged Cent or Centurion are hackers you will see at the bottom actually says "You don't like us accusing you, so don't do it to others" or similar. It's hurtful and damaging to our reputations and was written to make a point to Justice, not maliciously towards your guild.

I try not to attack other players, but when a member of the forum blindly shouts his mouth off about a subject he knows nothing about other than hearsay, well, I just can't help myself. I feel everything I said to Justice was justified by his own comments, like it or not his comments were childish, unsupported by any fact and very ignorant to the truth, mainly because he didn't want to hear the truth.

I have nothing against you, or any member of your guild (with exception to Justice now, he's really pissed me off) and would say exactly the same to anyone who makes accusations which have no factual basis. Look forward to guild wars with you.

Edit: Almost forgot, I was under the impression both you and Justice had your TF's reset due to glitching? Correct me if i'm wrong, but that's not 'playing clean' as you put it.

600RR

[Raistmar]

Some members of this forum and you know who they are like to attack other people's opinions and I can't figure out if it is a power trip or insecurity. Let junior members of this forum speak their mind and ask dumb questions. We all have done it when we first started. Just read the posts and you see the same 2-3 guys bad mouthing/censuring other members for their opinions and questions.

Can you please clarify this part? Since we are openly discussing this no point at just hinting at it.

[Lcharlie]

Dragon, I brought your name into it because I have seen you make a comment about 'a certain guild with a certain player' in regards to their DPC contents. The comment was clearly aimed at King, I can't recall if it were you or L C Charlie at this p oint but I assumed it was you. If i'm wrong I apologise. I do have several points to make however:

Oh, I was one of the people that did accuse King of cheating I will admit that.

Point 1; A member of your guild has indeed accused all RR members of cheating, please see bolded text below.

I think you missed his point which is to say it is unfortunate that one or two bad apples ruins a crop. He was not accusing all of RR. This comment is no different than yours accusing Centurions. All making a point.


Point 2; Legitimate players are being FALSELY accused of hacking (by one of your members I might add), without receipts we cannot prove otherwise. You can't question an Itunes receipt so it was required in this case to get him off our backs.

Point 3; Hacking and glitching has been associated with our guild, and we accept that. What we won't stand by and listen to is being told we are all hackers and all have the same mentality and have massively benfitted from such actions. We've been penalised and the line needs to be drawn there.

As I mentioned in my post. You are at square one in my book and legit until proven otherwise

Point 4; My post when I mentioned players tagged Cent or Centurion are hackers you will see at the bottom actually says "You don't like us accusing you, so don't do it to others" or similar. It's hurtful and damaging to our reputations and was written to make a point to Justice, not maliciously towards your guild.

I try not to attack other players, but when a member of the forum blindly shouts his mouth off about a subject he knows nothing about other than hearsay, well, I just can't help myself. I feel everything I said to Justice was justified by his own comments, like it or not his comments were childish, unsupported by any fact and very ignorant to the truth, mainly because he didn't want to hear the truth.

I was not just referring to this post and not referring to you but check other posts and see the same people bad mouthing everyone but their own opinions.

I have nothing against you, or any member of your guild (with exception to Justice now, he's really pissed me off) and would say exactly the same to anyone who makes accusations which have no factual basis. Look forward to guild wars with you.

Edit: Almost forgot, I was under the impression both you and Justice had your TF's reset due to glitching? Correct me if i'm wrong, but that's not 'playing clean' as you put it.

I have never had my TF's reset. Now, that is spreading rumors. Do you know that Justice's TF reset was due to a bad update install with respect to the apple cloud service? Gree apologized and gave him gold and gems to rebuild his TFs. I know you just didn't try to use that to accuse us of "glitching". This is what makes you seem defensive and desperate to others.

600RR

Hopefully we have now clarified everything and back to being cordial?

[WarChicken]

Junior members asking dumb questions?!

hey now, that's just plain rude to some of us "Junior Members" who just like to lurk around in the forums and only post when we feel a.) its important enough b.) ask questions whose answers aren't readily available in the stickied guides and only experienced players could provide c.) post a reply to people who put their foot up their mouth and are just plain rude to others!

[Lcharlie]

Can you please clarify this part? Since we are openly discussing this no point at just hinting at it.

I am not hinting at it. Just read all the posts and see who are the people posting second or third to the original posts and call them idiotic, stupid, doesn't know anything about the game, unintelligent, you shouldn't post here or there. I am simply saying that we all should strive to be nicer and let junior members speak their mind without being bashed. If you don't know what I am talking about then it is simply my observation and opinion.

[Eunuchorn]

How you know someone is hacking?
When the guild loses element bonuses - haha
"we are no cheaters , we are high level skilled players"

People, people. If you think the element bonuses are what makes you a good guild, you're all bigger noobs than I thought. Our guild level speaks for itself, please feel free to tell us all the possible ways to hack guild quests? & I'm so tired of people telling me to keep my members in line. They're big boys & girls, they can do what they want. & I especially love the whole "RR should have cleared this up on the forum" idea. You guys are just lucky any of us even use the forum or you'd be really bored. Most forum users forget only 5-10% of a player base of any game uses the forum. You want fair play, take it up w/ Gree for programming everything client side. Otherwise, get over it because there's straight up nothing you can do. I look forward to destroying all your lvl 5 guardians, but don't worry, your element bonuses are legit.

Is rotating alts into a guild for Gquests hacking? Or am I just lucky that I have enough disposable income to have 4 devices?

There is no getting back on topic. Spotting hackers is easy. Spotting glitchers is not. Either way, i didnt intend on coming off as condescending towards OP, he obviously lacks understanding of basic game mechanics; I was trying to inspire critical thinking than outright giving him the info.

[Raistmar]

I am not hinting at it. Just read all the posts and see who are the people posting second or third to the original posts and call them idiotic, stupid, doesn't know anything about the game, unintelligent, you shouldn't post here or there. I am simply saying that we all should strive to be nicer and let junior members speak their mind without being bashed. If you don't know what I am talking about then it is simply my observation and opinion.

I seldom see anyone call these 'junior member' as idiotic, stupid, doesn't know anything about the game, unintelligent. And if I do those are extreme situations. Directing the flow of the threads, sure there's plenty of that. But it's done mostly to keep the forum organized for the benefit of everyone.

[gexstar]

Or am I just lucky that I have enough disposable income to have 4 devices?

You dont need to have and/or buy another device to play another/multiple KnD accounts. But i forgot you couldnt mention your big mass of disposable income if you took that into account. Well played...

And yes, i blame Gree too for making lots of game data client side. Worst online game programming ive see in a long time. But they could just announce something like "Anybody who abuses any client side data will get banned.", follow that guideline for some time and the amount of hackers would drop drastically. Nobody likes to put lots of time into something that gets deleted a few days later.

[tredadda]

People, people. If you think the element bonuses are what makes you a good guild, you're all bigger noobs than I thought. Our guild level speaks for itself, please feel free to tell us all the possible ways to hack guild quests? & I'm so tired of people telling me to keep my members in line. They're big boys & girls, they can do what they want. & I especially love the whole "RR should have cleared this up on the forum" idea. You guys are just lucky any of us even use the forum or you'd be really bored. Most forum users forget only 5-10% of a player base of any game uses the forum. You want fair play, take it up w/ Gree for programming everything client side. Otherwise, get over it because there's straight up nothing you can do. I look forward to destroying all your lvl 5 guardians, but don't worry, your element bonuses are legit.

Is rotating alts into a guild for Gquests hacking? Or am I just lucky that I have enough disposable income to have 4 devices?

There is no getting back on topic. Spotting hackers is easy. Spotting glitchers is not. Either way, i didnt intend on coming off as condescending towards OP, he obviously lacks understanding of basic game mechanics; I was trying to inspire critical thinking than outright giving him the info.

??????????? WTF? For someone who espouses these weird beliefs about how there is no money or how you don't believe in it or whatever nonsense you sure do like to bring this up over and over and over. Congrats that you spend an exorbitant amount of money on a phone video game. I imagine many others here also have disposable income they can drop on this video game, yet choose not to. The fact that you do does not make you superior nor is it necessary to constantly bring it up in the faces of everyone. Its your money and you are free to do with it as you choose, everyone does not need to hear about it in post after post.

[Eunuchorn]

??????????? WTF? For someone who espouses these weird beliefs about how there is no money or how you don't believe in it or whatever nonsense you sure do like to bring this up over and over and over. Congrats that you spend an exorbitant amount of money on a phone video game. I imagine many others here also have disposable income they can drop on this video game, yet choose not to. The fact that you do does not make you superior nor is it necessary to constantly bring it up in the faces of everyone. Its your money and you are free to do with it as you choose, everyone does not need to hear about it in post after post.

Just because I bring up spending money is in no way me acting superior. Interpreting the use or value of money to show "i'm better than you" merely proves that it's design as a tool to create separation, competition, & coercion is working perfectly.
*Twice* in this thread OP has said if you have a Spectacular Cape you are an idiot, or a hacker. I'm neither. I have nothing else to spend the banks money on, nor do I value anything (especially money) to care how much or for what it goes towards. Everyone is focusing on the element bonus thing. Well my guild is at level cap, & my point was we did that by utilizing real money, constant playtime, & multiple alts. I brought up the disposable income again because it was referring to the previous conversation; & i said it before someone jumped all over me about hacking multiple accounts into one phone, & because I knew it would warrant a response such as yours :)

You obviously are missing the whole point.
http://www.zerohedge.com/
Www.godlikeproductions.com

[Eunuchorn]

You dont need to have and/or buy another device to play another/multiple KnD accounts. But i forgot you couldnt mention your big mass of disposable income if you took that into account. Well played....

& how is that done exactly?

[gexstar]

& how is that done exactly?

There are serevel Android and iOS emulators out there. For example BlueStacks just to name the most popular one for android. Didnt do much research on iOS, but its possible afaik.

[Jaygan]

I know someone is hacking when I miss them 3 times in arena and lose my 102 win streak.

We need to stop these hackers from causing me to miss so much!
It is so frustrating :(


Jaygan
Lvl 235

[Sir.]

& how is that done exactly?

Didn't we already establish that? Hacking, of course!

After all, no one does it as good and much as we do in RR. :D

[gexstar]

Didn't we already establish that? Hacking, of course!

After all, no one does it as good and much as we do in RR. :D

As i stated above witn one example for really lazy people who got no clue about IT, thats no hacking at all and can be done easily.

But seriously, dont blame the hacker. Blame the lazy ass programmers who made hacking possible. I didnt even see any document you had to accept that tells you not to temper with files or anything. So... Dont hate the player, hate the game.

[Matty-cakes]

Well my guild is at level cap, & my point was we did that by utilizing real money, constant playtime, & multiple alts.

So, you have reached the "end of the rainbow", then? No more levelling up for you guys?

[tredadda]

Just because I bring up spending money is in no way me acting superior. Interpreting the use or value of money to show "i'm better than you" merely proves that it's design as a tool to create separation, competition, & coercion is working perfectly.
*Twice* in this thread OP has said if you have a Spectacular Cape you are an idiot, or a hacker. I'm neither. I have nothing else to spend the banks money on, nor do I value anything (especially money) to care how much or for what it goes towards. Everyone is focusing on the element bonus thing. Well my guild is at level cap, & my point was we did that by utilizing real money, constant playtime, & multiple alts. I brought up the disposable income again because it was referring to the previous conversation; & i said it before someone jumped all over me about hacking multiple accounts into one phone, & because I knew it would warrant a response such as yours :)

You obviously are missing the whole point.
http://www.zerohedge.com/
Www.godlikeproductions.com


I do understand to a point where you were going with bringing up the disposable income thing, but to bring it up multiple times gives the impression of superiority whether that was your intent or not. You are clearly the exception to the rule when it comes to spending money in this game. A good 99.9% of the players in this game will not spend even close to what you spend. That is what I think the spirit of the OP was. That could be one way to possibly spot a hacker. Spotting them is by no means an exact science which is why this King guy that used to be in your guild got away with it as long as he apparently did. I think the OP was just trying to highlight warning signs. Now if it was a direct attack on you then you have every right to defend yourself. I still disagree with your philosophy on money, but that is not really necessary to discuss any further on a forum designed to talk about make believe knights attacking make believe monsters. I still respect what you have to say about this game though which is why I still read your posts. :D

[Marco_]

Heh, all this drama suddenly makes me feel less bad about Android not having guilds yet... ;)

[Sir.]

As i stated above witn one example for really lazy people who got no clue about IT, thats no hacking at all and can be done easily.

But seriously, dont blame the hacker. Blame the lazy ass programmers who made hacking possible. I didnt even see any document you had to accept that tells you not to temper with files or anything. So... Dont hate the player, hate the game.

I definitely agree that I don't have the slightest clue about anything IT-wise. That being said, your ability to identify sarcasm is remarkably low.


So, you have reached the "end of the rainbow", then? No more levelling up for you guys?

Haha, you might very well say that. Except instead of finding the pot of gold, our pot of gold was taken from us. ;)

[Eunuchorn]

Heh, all this drama suddenly makes me feel less bad about Android not having guilds yet... ;)

I LoLd so hard at this.

As to having not agreed to any kind of ToS, I was curious about this myself. Was there an end user license agreement when we downloaded?

As to emulators, wouldn't you need a 2nd device of some nature to run it on? If you can have multiple emulators/K&D accounts on one iPhone would this also be against ToS?

[gexstar]

I LoLd so hard at this.

As to having not agreed to any kind of ToS, I was curious about this myself. Was there an end user license agreement when we downloaded?

As to emulators, wouldn't you need a 2nd device of some nature to run it on? If you can have multiple emulators/K&D accounts on one iPhone would this also be against ToS?

Well, yes. You would need a desktop computer (or laptop or anything that runs Windows, Linux or MacOS) in the case i described and on that you could theoretically run as many android/iOs instances with KnD installed as you like.

Dont know if its possible to run multiple instances KnD on a phone or tablet. Didnt even think about that tbh. :)

And no, i cant remember agreeing to any EULA or ToS of some sort.

[Eunuchorn]

A good 99.9% of the players in this game will not spend even close to what you spend.
I was aggressive in recruiting the ones that do.


I still disagree with your philosophy on money, but that is not really necessary to discuss any further on a forum designed to talk about make believe knights attacking make believe monsters.

Sure it's necessary; a persons entire belief system is based off their parents belief system which stems from their parents' parents' parents' etc leading all the way back to when "economy" was created, thus beginning our races multigenerational slave state based on long term conditioning. The beauty of long term conditioning is your conditioned to not only be unable to understand the concept (because when has money not existed? Much less the exorbitant amounts of money held by a very small % of the population, & much much less the fact that we so easily accept this fact). OP took his entire family tree of monetary beliefs & thinks anyone spending "too much money" is a potential hacker. The things I say are only taken offensively because of the egoic archons. I talk & act as if everyone shares my same understanding of this slave concept as me, leading to my apathy being construed as aggression. There is no superiority initiative, merely the accepted status quo of "I suffer therefore I am". We are taught to envy & covet, not to share. Unless 100% of the world population understands this concept, there's no changing it, & I can only hope you can somewhat empathize w/ my state of life. Every conversation I have ends up like this because of the disgusting addiction to materialism & duality our species has been conditioned to love.

What about my philosophy do you not agree with? Starving children around the world is a good thing while the 5 Walmart heirs have as much money as the bottom 40% of Americans? Ya, that makes lots of sense.

http://web.photodex.com/view/kp9xxxm4

Please watch that & then please stop voting.

[Marco_]

The beauty of long term conditioning is your conditioned to not only be unable to understand the concept (because when has money not existed? Much less the exorbitant amounts of money held by a very small % of the population, & much much less the fact that we so easily accept this fact).
And most of that money is as virtual as the gems/gold in this game... (move a comma somewhere in a computer and someone is magnitudes richer or poorer)
To join the rant on our current worldwide system: I'm kind of annoyed by banks dumping us in a worldwide crisis and now (at least over here) offering less interest than the inflation, so my "prefer saving money over wasting it" attitude is completely pointless, since keeping money in the bank is seeing it drop in value... -_-
(in this game the only inflation is armor stats)

[tredadda]

I was aggressive in recruiting the ones that do.



Sure it's necessary; a persons entire belief system is based off their parents belief system which stems from their parents' parents' parents' etc leading all the way back to when "economy" was created, thus beginning our races multigenerational slave state based on long term conditioning. The beauty of long term conditioning is your conditioned to not only be unable to understand the concept (because when has money not existed? Much less the exorbitant amounts of money held by a very small % of the population, & much much less the fact that we so easily accept this fact). OP took his entire family tree of monetary beliefs & thinks anyone spending "too much money" is a potential hacker. The things I say are only taken offensively because of the egoic archons. I talk & act as if everyone shares my same understanding of this slave concept as me, leading to my apathy being construed as aggression. There is no superiority initiative, merely the accepted status quo of "I suffer therefore I am". We are taught to envy & covet, not to share. Unless 100% of the world population understands this concept, there's no changing it, & I can only hope you can somewhat empathize w/ my state of life. Every conversation I have ends up like this because of the disgusting addiction to materialism & duality our species has been conditioned to love.

What about my philosophy do you not agree with? Starving children around the world is a good thing while the 5 Walmart heirs have as much money as the bottom 40% of Americans? Ya, that makes lots of sense.

http://web.photodex.com/view/kp9xxxm4

Please watch that & then please stop voting.

I do not empathize nor do I begrudge your way of life. It is yours and you are free to live it as you best see fit. As well you are free to believe how you will as am I and everyone else here. Again though this is a board designed to talk about a phone and tablet video game. I choose to continue to view it as such and will not get into why I disagree with your point of view in spite of you trying to bait me into it. Now if you are willing to help me get to 43 epic boss kills then I am all ears as the proverbial saying goes.

[busteroaf]

Well, yes. You would need a desktop computer (or laptop or anything that runs Windows, Linux or MacOS) in the case i described and on that you could theoretically run as many android/iOs instances with KnD installed as you like.

Dont know if its possible to run multiple instances KnD on a phone or tablet. Didnt even think about that tbh. :)

And no, i cant remember agreeing to any EULA or ToS of some sort.

<walloftextfromBuster>
If someone is running multiple instances of KnD on their phone/tablet etc... aren't they also (maybe I'm reading into this too much) probably using their same account as the main and gaining all the referral bonuses? Thats the smart thing to do, but doesn't that seem against (the possible... does anyone know if there is one?) ToS? If I have 4 iphones, which, at one point I did, I'd be doing it legit. One account per phone. If I make 50 bogus copies of the game and run 50 different accounts on one device, I've obviously done a few work arounds on my phone and probably altered a few files or two to do so. I'm pretty sure that is against (most) ToS.

And not to stir up any murky guild waters at all, but there was clearly some heat between guilds. Those labeling RR as a cheaters guild etc. Not cool. You want us to bring things to light, in public, of which we knew as much as anyone else did, and then get on us for not saying "hey guys, we just wanted to let you know that we had a cheater in our guild. Please, punish us etc." We don't have to answer to anyone else, and GREE handled it the way they wanted to handle it. It wasn't like we held court and testified before they came down with punishment. Witnesses weren't called, other guilds input sure wasn't involved (as far as I know) so... why does it need to be involved now, or why would we owe anyone any sort of apology?

Also, if we knew in advance that people were glitching/hacking, and still came out and said "we're a guild of high level players, not cheaters" and then the next day we had said cheater caught, do you not think we'd instantly look pretty stupid? Would we really be so stupid as to promote ourselves only to be turned around and labeled as cheaters? Yeah, as a top level guild we have the microscope on us. We don't need to be watched more than we already are. Don't think anyone wants that negative light shined upon them. So before everyone else comes out and says "we're a guild free of cheaters or hackers"... I'd make DAMN SURE you are 100% right, or that will come back and bite you in the ass as well.

Also, much like others said, if people magically "knew" he was cheating, glitching or hacking or whatever you want to call it, I'll be damned if no one else made a peep either. And whoever said "I had him as my friend. Should I lose my epic boss kills too?" Well, technically, if you want all things to be fair and honest, everyone who ever used him should. If his glitching or hacking helped us to level and we get punished, if everyone wants it to be transparent, people should fork over boss kills too. If that takes away a +version armor... well damn, that sucks. That's fair right? The point is, no one is going to know that someone is cheating or glitching unless you are the one doing it, or they blatantly come out and say it. To expect us to have had reasons or info on it is ridiculous. And then to blame those that didn't do it, but may have benefited from it, while having no knowledge of said violation, is also rude. Again, make sure your **** is 100% clean before you accuse or label anyone. Its a ***** when it comes back to bit you in the ass.

In closing:
It would be pleasant and lovely and any other silly word you can think of, if those who are getting the most heated, just chilled out and took it to a line chat or something. Or... there could be a lovely "guilds who want to bash each other" group created and we can go hammer it out in there. Or a "Euny's Money and how he spends it" would be another great group that could be made, and people could just... whatever. As it stands, I have friends from multiple guilds, and many of you have helped my slow ass level countless times and kill countless bosses. If any of you disappear out of my game and friends list, will it suck? Sure. But I'm not going to go bash your entire guild and cry wolf... cause then I'd lose even more friends off my list. To make matters worse, only some of you are wearing the right armors for me when I need it so... I can't afford to lose anyone!!! And I'm a people person damnit!

So play nice everyone.

</walloftextfromBuster>

Oh, and now I'm off to go think while I drink. Cheers!

[Lieda]

I wonder how this thread turned out into this.... Im not reading 14 pages to figure out...


Btw, I say someone using kaleidos on all of their knights.....not

[Superchicken13]

I was aggressive in recruiting the ones that do.



Sure it's necessary; a persons entire belief system is based off their parents belief system which stems from their parents' parents' parents' etc leading all the way back to when "economy" was created, thus beginning our races multigenerational slave state based on long term conditioning. The beauty of long term conditioning is your conditioned to not only be unable to understand the concept (because when has money not existed? Much less the exorbitant amounts of money held by a very small % of the population, & much much less the fact that we so easily accept this fact). OP took his entire family tree of monetary beliefs & thinks anyone spending "too much money" is a potential hacker. The things I say are only taken offensively because of the egoic archons. I talk & act as if everyone shares my same understanding of this slave concept as me, leading to my apathy being construed as aggression. There is no superiority initiative, merely the accepted status quo of "I suffer therefore I am". We are taught to envy & covet, not to share. Unless 100% of the world population understands this concept, there's no changing it, & I can only hope you can somewhat empathize w/ my state of life. Every conversation I have ends up like this because of the disgusting addiction to materialism & duality our species has been conditioned to love.

What about my philosophy do you not agree with? Starving children around the world is a good thing while the 5 Walmart heirs have as much money as the bottom 40% of Americans? Ya, that makes lots of sense.

http://web.photodex.com/view/kp9xxxm4

Please watch that & then please stop voting.

Perhaps I don't totally understand your views, but from what I can tell you are being very hypocritical. Let me rephrase one of your sentences. Starving children around the world is a good thing while a guy named Eunuchorn spends thousands of dollars on a virtual game. Yea, that makes lots of sense. Your actions seem counterintuitive to your philosophy from what I can see. Just my 2 cents (money joke)!

[Miyabi]

Ohhhhhh no wonder i see Odeon tower so happening.. I like to chill out at the Macs beside cause its so relaxing at night. Didn't know got such happening activities right beside!



Lol, 1 more spotted! Oi thatz, we need to make a Line group for this if all the samsters start rearing their heads lol.

FR on Embassy, odeon tower.
Girl strength about 45. (30 thai, 15 korean)
Flower power avg: $100 (maybe becoz tuesday night)
Band not that good, but place setup not bad, smoking room bad ventilation.
Girls never butterfly around much.
Worth to give this place a shot.

[busteroaf]

Perhaps I don't totally understand your views, but from what I can tell you are being very hypocritical. Let me rephrase one of your sentences. Starving children around the world is a good thing while a guy named Eunuchorn spends thousands of dollars on a virtual game. Yea, that makes lots of sense. Your actions seem counterintuitive to your philosophy from what I can see. Just my 2 cents (money joke)!

I'm not answering for Euny, but I liken your argument of him spending so much money on a game but not on starving children... Which is what I'm sensing you are arguing for in saying he's a hypocrite. He said unless the entire population is in agreement and wants to share and you know, change stuff, no matter how much he wants to donate or give, it won't make a dent in the overall condition of the world.

If I may take another stance of say, people who don't believe in tipping their waiter or waitress at a restaurant because they either don't agree with the wages (most are paid less than minimum wage and rely on tips to make their "real" wage) or they feel that tipping is some sort of evil idea, or they're trying to stick it to the owner. By not tipping, the only person you are screwing are the server you just didn't tip. Unless everyone in the world (local, state, country regulations all vary) makes an effort to change the restaurant wage system, not tipping is just going to piss one person off at a time. The person you just screwed over. And of course label you as a douche.

[Superchicken13]

I'm not answering for Euny, but I liken your argument of him spending so much money on a game but not on starving children... Which is what I'm sensing you are arguing for in saying he's a hypocrite. He said unless the entire population is in agreement and wants to share and you know, change stuff, no matter how much he wants to donate or give, it won't make a dent in the overall condition of the world.

If I may take another stance of say, people who don't believe in tipping their waiter or waitress at a restaurant because they either don't agree with the wages (most are paid less than minimum wage and rely on tips to make their "real" wage) or they feel that tipping is some sort of evil idea, or they're trying to stick it to the owner. By not tipping, the only person you are screwing are the server you just didn't tip. Unless everyone in the world (local, state, country regulations all vary) makes an effort to change the restaurant wage system, not tipping is just going to piss one person off at a time. The person you just screwed over. And of course label you as a douche.

Eunuchorns actions are irresponsible to his own philosophy. Say a man doesn't like the state the government is in. He has the option to vote or even run for an office. But instead he says, "what's the point? My vote won't make a difference." Or, "I won't win the election." If everyone shared that view then nothing would change. In conclusion; from what I can tell Eunuchorn is all bark no bite when it comes to his 'unique' views.

[busteroaf]

But you're also judging him based on only what you're reading from him. You're saying he's all bark and no bite. What are YOU doing to change the world? Probably like most of us here... Probably not squat. So get off your high horse.

[Superchicken13]

But you're also judging him based on only what you're reading from him. You're saying he's all bark and no bite. What are YOU doing to change the world? Probably like most of us here... Probably not squat. So get off your high horse.

I have nothing else I judge him from, that's why in every post I say something along the lines of "from what I can tell." And that's my entire point, I don't do anything to change the world, but I never said that i wanted to. I don't have a problem with the world, so I'm not trying to change it. Eunuchorn talks about nothing but how corrupt the world is, but (from what I can tell) he does nothing to change it either. That's why I'm nice and comfortable up here on my high horse.

[Eunuchorn]

Gnosticism is the belief that the material world created by the Demiurgeshould be shunned and the spiritual world should be embraced. Gnostic ideas influenced many ancient religions[1] which teach that gnosis, interpreted asknowledge, enlightenment, salvation) may be reached by practicing philanthropy to the point of personal poverty, and diligently searching for wisdom by helping others.[2] However, practices varied among those who were gnostic. In gnosticism, the world of the Demiurge is represented by the lower world which associated to the matter, to flesh, to time, to molecules and more particularly to an imperfect world and an ephemeral world. The world of God is represented by the upper world, and is associated with the soul and perfection. The world of God is eternal and not part of the physical. It is impalpable, and time there doesn't exist. To rise to God, the Gnostic must reach the "knowledge" which mixes philosophy, metaphysics, curiosity, culture, knowledge, and secrets of history and universe. The term Demiurge derives from the Latinized form of the Greek term dēmiourgos, δημιουργός (literally "public or skilled worker"), and refers to an entity responsible for the creation of thephysical universe and the physical aspect of humanity. The term dēmiourgos occurs in a number of other religious and philosophical systems, most notably Platonism. Moral judgements of the demiurge vary from group to group within the broad category of Gnosticism — such judgements usually correspond to each group's judgement of the status of materiality as being inherently evil, or else merely flawed and as good as its passive constituent matter will allow. In Gnosticism the Demiurge, creator of the material world, was not God but the Archon.[22] Gnosticism presents a distinction between a supranatural, unknowable reality and the sensible materiality of which the demiurge is creator. Systems of Gnostic thought present the Demiurge as antagonistic to the Supreme God: his act of creation either in unconscious and fundamentally flawed imitation of the divine model, or else formed with the malevolent intention of entrapping aspects of the divine in materiality.
& since you are obviously too lazy to click on links and try to educate yourself rather than really thinking theres a difference between democrat & republican, I will hit you with this. I don't expect you to read it, but then, you probably love technology & upon death are going to miss your Iphone & be pissed about missing the super bowl, & wind up getting reborn in this materialistic nightmare. Good luck with that.

[Superchicken13]

& since you are obviously too lazy to click on links and try to educate yourself rather than really thinking theres a difference between democrat & republican, I will hit you with this. I don't expect you to read it, but then, you probably love technology & upon death are going to miss your Iphone & be pissed about missing the super bowl, & wind up getting reborn in this materialistic nightmare. Good luck with that.

Does anyone else find this grossly hypocritical? Anyways, I'll go ahead and take my chances Eunchorn, I'm happily living in this materialistic world. Whether I'm being controlled by some higher evil power or not, I'm happy and that's what counts! But I respect your beliefs so it's all good!

[Eunuchorn]

Not hypocritical, I just accept there's nothing that can be done, & I have nothing else. Trust me, I don't see K&D as a reason to live.

[600RR]

Well.

That escalated quickly.

[Luthienwind]

When king was actively participating in this forum did anyone question him of being a hacker? He was like us just part of the community. For all we know he was just an active gem spender in this forum. I think that was one of the reason he was recruited into the guild. He was also very friendly and barring his hacking was a cool guy to have as a friend. Tell me when did you start having doubt that he was hacking? For me it was when he started posting all those DPC chest he opened that landed him godly armor.

Where did he do that? In line messenger. When? Right when he was about to get banned. Why did no one call him out then? Because from the beginning we thought he was spending ungoddly amount of gems. Justice, charlie/dragon and Vincent were in that same chat box as every rainbow member was. Why didn't any of you call him out when you think he was hacking? Now that he's gone you go and start accusing the whole guild of taking advantage of what he did?

When he got banned we did not get any explanation from him. So how would we explain it to everyone else when we ourselves was not certain.

Firstly, I didn't point finger who is a hacker or accused whether king is or not, If I suspect any players, I will just write to Wise One. Secondly, I have stop chatting to any Rainbow players after I left the chatrooms, not even in private. Lastly, this is pointless, I have bought gems, is a choice and noone is taking advantage of your guild, Rainbow have fine players and so is other guilds. Raistmar, dun get me involved in your stupid discussion, I am not interested.

[600RR]

Firstly, I didn't point finger who is a hacker or accused whether king is or not, If I suspect any players, I will just write to Wise One. Secondly, I have stop chatting to any Rainbow players after I left the chatrooms, not even in private. Lastly, this is pointless, I have bought gems, is a choice and noone is taking advantage of your guild, Rainbow have fine players and so is other guilds. Raistmar, dun get me involved in your stupid discussion, I am not interested.

Technically, you involved yourself in this 'stupid discussion' so you must have been interested enough to read through Raist's post and post your own comment.

We've acused no one of 'taking advantage' of our guild, what we're saying is we shouldn't be tarred with the same brush King has because we were in the same guild. We knew as much as everyone else did about his hacking - nothing.

We aren't all glitchers and exploiters, infact I think you'll find all of us are now legitimate players. ( I realise you weren't doubting that, but clearing it up for everyone else.)

[D3athShade]

Nulla è reale, tutto è lecito. Just love it!

[The Wise One]

Hi,

Closing this thread as it's derailing from the OP. If there's every suspect of cheating/hacking you know where to PM me.