Guild LTQs Give XP Without Participating

[SpikedPunchVictim]

My guild is participating in the Guild LTQs. I have been camping ever since I've started playing the game, but have noticed that these new guild LTQs are giving me XP and I'm not even participating. Gree, is this really intended? Are you slowly trying to move everyone toward level 200, or is this just an oversight?

It is about to push me over to another level, and I *really* don't want that.

[Mickeytah]

Leave the guild temporarily so you're not getting the xp or the units.

[mmalkove]

That's what I would do? just leave the guild until the quests are done and then join back. I'm sure your guild will understand. I personally don't camp even though it has hurt me in boss events. I say level up and play until you are a whale too! Although it would be nice if guild quests didn't result in exp at all.

[pendentive]

I noticed no complaints about getting the *free* units without having to play. ;)

[Test123]

Is it just the "reward XP" that is being given out to all?

I mean, does the XP gained from killing mobs go to the guild as well?

The reward XP seems to be quite low, but I suppose a point's a point, and that point could push you up to where you don't want to be.

[SpikedPunchVictim]

Unfortunately, being a whale means spending a lot of money.

[shirayuki]

Same here...I leveled up without doing the guild quests. But why?? I don't want to level up quickly. Thanks Gree. O.o

[Mickeytah]

Same here...I leveled up without doing the guild quests. But why?? I don't want to level up quickly. Thanks Gree. O.o

Then leave the guild until your guild is finished the Guild Quest so you aren't getting the XP.

[Chingachgook]

Then leave the guild until your guild is finished the Guild Quest so you aren't getting the XP.

Then they wouldn't get the rewards! GREE, in addition to giving these campers the guild rewards without them gaining XP in future guild events, I recommend you also:

- reverse their XP gains
- credit them with 1,500 gems for the inconvenience
- take their cake away and allow them eat it too

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/chief_cry.gif

[jonny0284]

Then they wouldn't get the rewards! GREE, in addition to giving these campers the guild rewards without them gaining XP in future guild events, I recommend you also:

- reverse their XP gains
- credit them with 1,500 gems for the inconvenience
- take their cake away and allow them eat it too

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/chief_cry.gif

Awesome! :cool:

[SpikedPunchVictim]

Not sure I understand your logic. The rewards can be given without the XP. It doesn't make sense to gain XP when you're not doing anything.

[Skyraiders]

Not sure I understand your logic. The rewards can be given without the XP. It doesn't make sense to gain XP when you're not doing anything.

Call it poetic justice .......you sit around doing nothing while your guild does all the work......then you get an awesome unit for doing nothing....but now pay a penalty....???

[SpikedPunchVictim]

I don't see how it's poetic or even justice? It's a game design decision that will eventually force everyoneup to higher levels. Yeah, it's great to get the units from the Guild LTQs, but it's not always the player's decision to participate in them. This punishes the player for being in the guild. I think this might be an oversight on Gree's part, so I wanted to raise this as a side effect of their decision.

If Gree's intention is to help us form micro communities through a guilding system, punishing players like this is subtracting away from their original intentions.

[Sgt Maj]

This is the single whiniest thread I have ever had the displeasure of reading. If everyone was to stop for a second, I am sure the sound of violins playing sad songs of leveling up would be heard.

It's called a "guild quest" for a reason.

[SpikedPunchVictim]

Love this community.

[Sirius]

Hello folks,

Let's do our best to keep the discussion civil.

Thanks!

[Sgt Maj]

Sorry... :(

[jonny0284]

Sorry... :(

Don't you apologize. You were spot on with your observations.

The truth never needs an apology. :)

[jonny0284]

I don't see how it's poetic or even justice? It's a game design decision that will eventually force everyoneup to higher levels. Yeah, it's great to get the units from the Guild LTQs, but it's not always the player's decision to participate in them. This punishes the player for being in the guild. I think this might be an oversight on Gree's part, so I wanted to raise this as a side effect of their decision.

If Gree's intention is to help us form micro communities through a guilding system, punishing players like this is subtracting away from their original intentions.

And some players were punished for finished the last Quest early because of the high XP debacle.

Let it go.

[Eunuchorn]

Sorry campers, your Fd. If your guild is worth it's salt you will benefit from it more than not.

At least until you are pushed into the next tier lol

[Kusa]

If your a camper go to a camper guild.


There called guild quests!!!!!!! For a reason so the entire guild gets exp for a reason!!!!!!!!

[Rastlin]

Camping is over. Welcome to the new world were you have to actually play the game like rest of us. :cool:

[SpikedPunchVictim]

A camper can sit at level 50, with a higher defense than anyone can beat while they pass through level 50. This allows the player to build up all of their buildings in peace. They can overvault without any fear. I am there, and it's nice. The trade off is storing up the units from the LTQs. But the majority of people who do the LTQs are going to be behind the people who spend more money on the game. So you have a small percentage of players who have spent a decent amount of money on the game vs the free players, and the ones spending money will always be on top. I'm in no hurry to get there, and respect the people that are.

[Rastlin]

My guild is participating in the Guild LTQs. I have been camping ever since I've started playing the game, but have noticed that these new guild LTQs are giving me XP and I'm not even participating. Gree, is this really intended? Are you slowly trying to move everyone toward level 200, or is this just an oversight?

It is about to push me over to another level, and I *really* don't want that.
Why have you been camping since you started the game? That is like staying a Freshman in High School forever and either getting put in the dumpster daily or watching everyone move up to the next grade every year without you... Will you ever be cool being "Billy Madison"? No, even he had to grow up... You can never buy units more powerful than doing the LTQ's, you will never make the gold needed to make all your buildings level 10 since you can not raid for fear of exp, you will never be a strong raider as anyone that started a week ago will have stronger units from doing the LTQ's, you will never be in a strong guild with good boosts or rewards, and you will never have use for more allies.... I can not find one single reason to a camper anymore. It is ok to go past level 50.... :rolleyes: You have only been hurting yourself by trying to camp, unless being the ruler of level 35 is fun for you but knowing everyone else is only in your level for a day?

[SpikedPunchVictim]

Why have you been camping since you started the game? That is like staying a Freshman in High School forever and either getting put in the dumpster daily or watching everyone move up to the next grade every year without you... Will you ever be cool being "Billy Madison"? No, even he had to grow up... You can never buy units more powerful than doing the LTQ's, you will never make the gold needed to make all your buildings level 10 since you can not raid for fear of exp, you will never be a strong raider as anyone that started a week ago will have stronger units from doing the LTQ's, you will never be in a strong guild with good boosts or rewards, and you will never have use for more allies.... I can not find one single reason to a camper anymore. It is ok to go past level 50.... :rolleyes: You have only been hurting yourself by trying to camp, unless being the ruler of level 35 is fun for you but knowing everyone else is only in your level for a day?

Not sure what you mean. My IPH is over 21k. I have several buildings at level 10 (I intentionally ignore the low level buildings since their gold to immediate ROI is low). I'm in an excellent Guild and am one of the highest contributors. The LTQ rewards are constantly going up, so I'm not losing out on anything there. I'll be able to catch up when all of my buildings are max level. I have trouble understanding how people can be competitive in a game that allows players to be ranked higher based on how many gems they buy.

[Sgt Maj]

Don't you apologize. You were spot on with your observations.

The truth never needs an apology. :)

Sorry. I am a Canadian. It is a cultural trait :)

[JPNy]

Not sure what you mean. My IPH is over 21k. I have several buildings at level 10 (I intentionally ignore the low level buildings since their gold to immediate ROI is low). I'm in an excellent Guild and am one of the highest contributors. The LTQ rewards are constantly going up, so I'm not losing out on anything there. I'll be able to catch up when all of my buildings are max level. I have trouble understanding how people can be competitive in a game that allows players to be ranked higher based on how many gems they buy.

You are one of the highest contributors in your guild for what ? Gold ? Can't be for stones or CP as you are camping. Your place is in a true campers guild where you will not win any "guild XP" and of course not win the units that go with !
You can't have one's cake and eat it too...

Personnaly I would NOT accept a camper in my guild even if he is a good gold contributors. All other members are giving time doing PVPs for stones and CP and thereby taking levels when you only stay low level just donating some of your gold. Finally being a so strong low level that you decide you deserve a much better guild !!! (for this last point perhaps you are not a guy like that, but I have seen so many arrogant campers). I would add that gold is for me the least important ressource of this game as soon as you reach level 26 and since you can upgrade your vault over 1 million.

My HLP has all his important buildings at level 10 without any camping and now what ? Out of the boost buildings, they are mostly useless. When I need more gold, I am raiding using my LTQ units and those who can are raiding me for the same reason...

Gree, please don't change anything with the XP gain when winning a guild unit ! I just received my last one :
Trojan seige engine (2520/2061) for 13 XP !!!!! It's the very least we should get to win a unit like this one ! And to finish with this pointless issue the overall guild quest rewards will give you, as a camper, 45k ground stats increase for only few hundreds XP. Complaining for that is just insane, you should admit it ! And you still have the opportunity to leave the guild world or to join a true campers guild.

[Eunuchorn]

Why have you been camping since you started the game? That is like staying a Freshman in High School forever and either getting put in the dumpster daily or watching everyone move up to the next grade every year without you... Will you ever be cool being "Billy Madison"? No, even he had to grow up... You can never buy units more powerful than doing the LTQ's, you will never make the gold needed to make all your buildings level 10 since you can not raid for fear of exp, you will never be a strong raider as anyone that started a week ago will have stronger units from doing the LTQ's, you will never be in a strong guild with good boosts or rewards, and you will never have use for more allies.... I can not find one single reason to a camper anymore. It is ok to go past level 50.... :rolleyes: You have only been hurting yourself by trying to camp, unless being the ruler of level 35 is fun for you but knowing everyone else is only in your level for a day?

You are one of the highest contributors in your guild for what ? Gold ? Can't be for stones or CP as you are camping. Your place is in a true campers guild where you will not win any "guild XP" and of course not win the units that go with !
You can't have one's cake and eat it too...
Personnaly I would NOT accept a camper in my guild even if he is a good gold contributors. All other members are giving time doing PVPs for stones and CP and thereby taking levels when you only stay low level just donating some of your gold. Finally being a so strong low level that you decide you deserve a much better guild !!! (for this last point perhaps you are not a guy like that, but I have seen so many arrogant campers). I would add that gold is for me the least important ressource of this game as soon as you reach level 26 and since you can upgrade your vault over 1 million.
My HLP has all his important buildings at level 10 without any camping and now what ? Out of the boost buildings, they are mostly useless. When I need more gold, I am raiding using my LTQ units and those who can are raiding me for the same reason...
Gree, please don't change anything with the XP gain when winning a guild unit ! I just received my last one :
Trojan seige engine (2520/2061) for 13 XP !!!!! It's the very least we should get to win a unit like this one ! And to finish with this pointless issue the overall guild quest rewards will give you, as a camper, 45k ground stats increase for only few hundreds XP. Complaining for that is just insane, you should admit it ! And you still have the opportunity to leave the guild world or to join a true campers guild.

Ladies & Gentleknights, what we are witnessing here is pure, unbridled ignorance. I give you the following screenshots as an example.
http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s657/TehEunuchorn/null_zps839e17a9.png

http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s657/TehEunuchorn/null_zpscaf80fc5.png


As you can see, I got carried away w/ the stamina. I originally wanted him as a strict stone supplier for my guild, but camping is oh so much fun! I love the mobs from Gquest, but I literally have to hit something 5 times minimum to kill it & that my friends breaks the #1 rule of camping! Logically speaking, 0 Participation stars, 0 exp. This would be far more programming than I'm sure Gree talking heads care to waste time on, given needing a whole new set of loot that's mob only no xp & all the subsystems that go along w/ that.

Look how pretty!
http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s657/TehEunuchorn/null_zps1f00ff96.png
http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s657/TehEunuchorn/null_zpsc5ad44e6.png
http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s657/TehEunuchorn/null_zpsf8d98e3f.png

If you wouldn't accept a camper into your guild, I pity you. To not see th obvious benefit of it...
You talk of leaving when they become the "too elite" camper. Well guess what, that's because if you are camping, you are elite. I'm lvl 165 & have left 2 guilds now since war started because I was too elite for them. To say this is something campers do, because you knew a camper that did....
Not to mention a camper guild won't take you unless you are "too elite" for a "regular" guild.

[Mickeytah]

Not sure I understand your logic. The rewards can be given without the XP. It doesn't make sense to gain XP when you're not doing anything.

My logic is that you are complaining about having to be slightly inconvenienced to receive a reward you aren't even helping to earn.

It'd be like if you were at a restaurant celebrating your birthday and your friends chipped in and bought you a sundae and instead of being grateful for what you received you started to complain about the inconvenience of actually having to pick up the spoon and feed yourself.

[Eunuchorn]

My logic is that you are complaining about having to be slightly inconvenienced to receive a reward you aren't even helping to earn.

It'd be like if you were at a restaurant celebrating your birthday and your friends chipped in and bought you a sundae and instead of being grateful for what you received you started to complain about the inconvenience of actually having to pick up the spoon and feed yourself.

Your analogy doesn't apply to people like me. I hate birthdays, birthday parties, & Sundaes. I don't ask for those things & will kick & scream the whole time, But they are still d*mn happy to have me on their side.

[Mickeytah]

Your analogy doesn't apply to people like me.

Good thing my post wasn't directed at you.

[Dirt road Joe]

My logic is that you are complaining about having to be slightly inconvenienced to receive a reward you aren't even helping to earn.

It'd be like if you were at a restaurant celebrating your birthday and your friends chipped in and bought you a sundae and instead of being grateful for what you received you started to complain about the inconvenience of actually having to pick up the spoon and feed yourself.

I don't laugh at too many things on this forum... But this literally made me LMAO....


Your analogy doesn't apply to people like me. I hate birthdays, birthday parties, & Sundaes. I don't ask for those things & will kick & scream the whole time, But they are still d*mn happy to have me on their side.

Now, your just getting a bit ridiculous. Just take your terribly structured Eunuchorn account and collect those stones... I'm sure your guild is having a shortage of stones since you guys can afford those lvl 10 walls. I hear gold is plentiful in the guild you come from...

[Eunuchorn]

Good thing my post wasn't directed at you.
No, it was stated as a generality. If generality doesn't apply to everyone, it's false. Just because you don't understand why he wants what you would call "something for nothing" doesn't mean you are right & he is wrong. Either way, your analogy sucked.


Now, your just getting a bit ridiculous. Just take your terribly structured Eunuchorn account and collect those stones... I'm sure your guild is having a shortage of stones since you guys can afford those lvl 10 walls. I hear gold is plentiful in the guild you come from...

I'm not getting your sarcasm...how do you know my guild even?
& terribly structured? No, no, just a different style of camping. My 3rd alt is camping so slow it makes me want to cry.

[JPNy]

Ladies & Gentleknights, what we are witnessing here is pure, unbridled ignorance. I give you the following screenshots as an example.


As you can see, I got carried away w/ the stamina. I originally wanted him as a strict stone supplier for my guild, but camping is oh so much fun! I love the mobs from Gquest, but I literally have to hit something 5 times minimum to kill it & that my friends breaks the #1 rule of camping! Logically speaking, 0 Participation stars, 0 exp. This would be far more programming than I'm sure Gree talking heads care to waste time on, given needing a whole new set of loot that's mob only no xp & all the subsystems that go along w/ that.

Look how pretty!

If you wouldn't accept a camper into your guild, I pity you. To not see th obvious benefit of it...
You talk of leaving when they become the "too elite" camper. Well guess what, that's because if you are camping, you are elite. I'm lvl 165 & have left 2 guilds now since war started because I was too elite for them. To say this is something campers do, because you knew a camper that did....
Not to mention a camper guild won't take you unless you are "too elite" for a "regular" guild.

What you didn't catch in my post is that to get the guild rewards some are participating winning XP and levels, so those who don't participate and ask to be rewarded are just parasites in the guild who don't deserve these rewards. what you call elite, I call parasite.

What could a camper bring my guild ???? Nothing of value for me so I invite him to apply by a campers guild. concerning the attitude of campers, I have never written that I have seen all campers doing that, but all campers I have seen did that. Perhaps you will understand the nuance... And you confess having done this changing twice your guild because becoming too elite ! ....Quod erat demonstrandum.... The obvious benefit of a camper ???? for him yes, not for his guild.

Now we need to agree on the term camper ! SpikedPunchVictim seems to be one, that's why I have suggested he should join a true campers guild (I respect this choice). Your LLP is not a camper if you use it as a stones supplier and moreover you use it to play all the boss events progressing over level 50 with what I consider as very common stats for an alt player and this despite the good units you won. Finally you are not a camper and speak about something you don't understand the sense. So before using the term of ignorance for others you should question yourself on what you know and what you don't know.
I know nothing except the fact of my ignorance.
-Socrates

And finally what is elite in this game ? Not me, I know that, but from far not you either. Now campers in true elite guilds are generally the alt LLP of loyal good members who are building a new generation of weapons for next wars.

[Mickeytah]

No, it was stated as a generality. If generality doesn't apply to everyone, it's false. Just because you don't understand why he wants what you would call "something for nothing" doesn't mean you are right & he is wrong. Either way, your analogy sucked.

There is so much wrong with this post, I'm just going to make a list to save some time.

1) It's an analogy, not a generality. An analogy is only meant to clarify a previously stated point, which is exactly what my analogy did, ergo, it is not false.
2) Analogies are not meant to apply 100% to every single person. I started off with "It would like..." which means a similarity, not an exact likeness.
3) Just because I disagree with something, like the original post, doesn't mean I don't understand.

[McLovin]

I'm not getting your sarcasm...how do you know my guild even?
& terribly structured? No, no, just a different style of camping. My 3rd alt is camping so slow it makes me want to cry.

He might have intel on you from scouting during guild wars, and most of the top guilds do it. There is more than enough information in your last few posts to identify you - relatively creative username, stated level, etc.


If you wouldn't accept a camper into your guild, I pity you. To not see th obvious benefit of it...
You talk of leaving when they become the "too elite" camper. Well guess what, that's because if you are camping, you are elite. I'm lvl 165 & have left 2 guilds now since war started because I was too elite for them. To say this is something campers do, because you knew a camper that did....
Not to mention a camper guild won't take you unless you are "too elite" for a "regular" guild.

Also, sorry to break it to you, but these days 75k att at Level 53 is far from "elite" no matter what your perception of reality is. Particularly when a large portion of those stats have come from the FUN boss event.

[Aclark]

My second game is not a camper and is level 49 with over 100k attack and defense and have the 4th highest points in our second guild. So does this mean I'm ELITE and too good for my own guild? If you are aloud to sit back with your feet up and collect rewards from the money and hard work well heck go for it but sure wouldn't be allowed in my first second or even third guild so happy days for you stop complaining and making a foul of yourself. Geez if your were actually helping your guild you might not have time to come over here and put the rest of us thought the redicilous posts. Go help your guild or not but please do go.

[Max Power]

What incredible scope creep.

[ELVIS2K13]

can a forum moderator please close this thread , it serves no purpose .

[jonny0284]

can a forum moderator please close this thread , it serves no purpose .

I would if I could, sir.

[Sirius]

Closing thread folks as requested and needed. Please note the forum guidelines.

/closed