[Danger] Wandering Flame - June 26th - July 3rd

[The Wise One]

Attention Knights!

The Dark Prince has just unleashed a new boss that's approaching your castle walls fast! Defeat Wandering Flame to collect keys, items, gems, and a Limited Edition armor set! Wandering Flame will be here for a limited time only, so act now!

Find and deal bonus damage using the nemesis armor set and compete in the Damage Leaderboards for a chance to win even more rewards.



http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a538/giiforums/0fc6c6115b4f316672b9ece2767193e5_zpsb8e46f07.png

[Jello]

Here are some of the boss level stats:

Lvl/Health/Atk/Def
01/448/156/132
-------- Reward
02/806/165/142
03/1164/174/152
-------- Reward
04/1880/192/172
05/2596/210/192
06/3312/241/212
-------- Reward
07/4028/285/232
08/4744/329/252
09/5460/373/272
10/8042/495/315
-------- Reward
11/7420/469/308
12/8664/521/323
13/10157/578/339
14/11650/635/354
15/18367/893/425
-------- Reward (Can Craft Wanderers Shroud)
16/14635/749/386
17/16128/806/401
18/17621/853/417
19/19114/923/432
20/20606/983/448
21/23592/1103/479
-------- Reward
22/22099/1043/464
23/22846/1073/471
24/23592/1103/479
25/24338/1133/487
26/24686/1159/492
27/25034/1185/498
28/26426/1288/519
-------- Reward
29/25730/1236/509
30/26078/1262/514
31/26426/1288/519
32/26774/1314/525
33/
34/
35/29210/1494,563
-------- Reward
36/
37/
38/
39/
40/
41/
42/
43/
-------- Reward (Can Craft Wanderers Shroud +)

Seems identical to Deva. I was using Deva NEMESIS and it got me through the first 10 levels solo. Level 10 I had 2% life.

I have removed my 3/2/2/2/2 remark. A person below was correct, I only had 1 person in slot... Doh!

Here are the stats for the Wanderer's Shroud (Earth/Spirit):

Reg: 371/388 7/9 854/1,009 Max: 1,863 Atk*Def/100: 862
Plus: 409/429 9/11 1,030/1,188 Max: 2,218 Atk*Def/100: 1,224

[Genocide788]

Looks like most of the Rainbows got their wish for a mono. 3 cheers for the week off!

[D3athShade]

well i hope i can get to 43 for the first time ever :D
btw: was this the boss Hyperziz talked about?

[Alexa]

By the way... The armour says this boss armour is an earth/spirit armour...

[Ceius]

pointless armor IMO,knight's epic energy cost is now 3\2\2\2\2 no words...

[vubby]

Another thing I noticed is it costs 11 energy to get all 5 knights (3 + 2 friends). It is now 3/2/2/2/2, instead of 3/2/1/1/1.

I think you might be mistaken, it's still 3/2/1/1/1 for me. Unless there was an update I haven't installed yet? :S

[geopet]

By the way... The armour says this boss armour is an earth/spirit armour...


yea i see that too whats that about?

[Raistmar]

Most likely he hasn't added a 2nd knight and see it as 3/2/2/2/2

[geopet]

I think you might be mistaken, it's still 3/2/1/1/1 for me. Unless there was an update I haven't installed yet? :S


that kid has no idea what he's talking about. he only looked at every slot with one character selected

[MC Terrol]

Its still 3/2/1/1/1, no worries. Lvl 48 here with lvl 35 flame hunters garb and lvl 23 sky guardian+ getting gems tomorrow and will have nemesis around level 25. Add me if you have the nemesis armor equipped. We can help eachother out getting to 43. XBD-BBB-NRG

[Miyabi]

Its Deva standard..
Armor elements are earth n spirit.. Same as what hyperziz hack into the info

[Archangel_rd]

well i hope i can get to 43 for the first time ever :D
btw: was this the boss Hyperziz talked about?

Yes hyperziz was right he had pics of the armor and nemesis plus the named Wanderer days ago... Insane he could hack that... Only thing he say the elements were earth/spirit not fire

[BethMo]

Wise One, can you please verify the elements of this armor for us? The boss is fire, the armor LOOKS like fire, the materials you craft it with are fire, but it's being listed as earth/spirit.

[Raistmar]

Yes hyperziz was right he had pics of the armor and nemesis plus the named Wanderer days ago... Insane he could hack that... Only thing he say the elements were earth/spirit not fire

You'd notice when you pick the drops up it says to craft a legendary earth/spirit armor.

[Ceius]

my bad i trust the kid,is still 3\2\1\1\1

[Miyabi]

Yes hyperziz was right he had pics of the armor and nemesis plus the named Wanderer days ago... Insane he could hack that... Only thing he say the elements were earth/spirit not fire

Go to ur armorsmith, its a earth n spirit armor.

[Dexavus]

Sadly there are better spirit/ earth armors, off week for me woohoo

[D3athShade]

Damn so Hyperziz was right... Maybe GREE changed the armor last second to try to cover up that he was right but didnt have enough time to change the boss?

Btw add me, I'm lvl 71 with a few maxed armours.

[Jello]

It is Earth/Spirit... seems like we just had Mantle of the Beast which is Earth/Spirit from Sasquach (4 bosses ago). Wanderers+ is slightly better max than Mantle, and is more def than attack.

[Aradan]

are you really surprised, they threw like 4 fire/earth armors at us within a month, so im not surprised they would throw 4/5 earth/spirit armors at us very close together too. Every month/bi weekly basis seems to have a very specific element theme. I wouldn't be surprised that what ever new armor they release this week we are going to see those same elements in 1-2 weeks from now as a weekly boss.

[Thatzme]

KnD armor skins are always based on its elements. There is no way from the looks of the Wanderer Shroud that it's a earth/spirit. There must be a mistake and gree needs to fix it.

[Jello]

It IS Earth/Spirit according to the Armorsmith. Read between the grey (I increased the brightness in photoshop so you can clearly see the Earth/Spirit elements).

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[konofo]

It IS Earth/Spirit according to the Armorsmith. Read between the grey (I increased the brightness in photoshop so you can clearly see the Earth/Spirit elements).
Yeah, we're all aware of what it currently is. We're just saying it's probably wrong. Whether they stick with it is the question now.

[D3athShade]

As said before, it's not logical... =/

[mazman16]

...a wind/water armor...... a 70's armor i still need :(

[D3athShade]

i was hoping for a single element armor =/ could be helpfull to farm

[Wdraizen]

such a shame! woulda been better if it stayed Fire type than earth/spirit which does not looked anything like it in the first place.

[Thatzme]

It IS Earth/Spirit according to the Armorsmith. Read between the grey (I increased the brightness in photoshop so you can clearly see the Earth/Spirit elements).

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Yeah I know it's spirit/earth in the armorsmith. But everything pts to that being a mistake.

1) As mentioned, the skin looks like a fire armor and not spirit/earth

2) All past bosses' elements matches their boss armors elements why would this be different.

3) Rewards are giving fire armors (dragonflame and hydra) for enhancement. Obviously boss armor is meant to have fire element in it.

[Genocide788]

Has anyone alerted Wise One about this? Need to know if it's supposed to be pure Fire or Fire/Earth so i don't have to ehance my Inf lord :/

[King Mark]

Not intending to play the devil's advocate, but if you guys have played or are playing other Gree games, such illogical, absurd or whatnot events, prizes, etc. that you may consider happens quite often. Besides, it's their call whether they want to make some changes when it comes to the elements, be it mono or not. Guess it's true that "change" is the only permanent thing in this world, LOL!

OT, I have no problem with it giving a Spirit/Earth armor ^^

[D3athShade]

Maybe Hiperziz hacked them and changed the element to earth/spirit to troll us o.O or what if: hyperziz was a programmer for gree that got fired and wanted payback o.O (conspiracy Keanu :p )

[Raistmar]

Maybe Hiperziz hacked them and changed the element to earth/spirit to troll us o.O or what if: hyperziz was a programmer for gree that got fired and wanted payback o.O (conspiracy Keanu :p )

What hyperziz did was all client side. He's not a hacker, he just modified his game.

[geopet]

...a wind/water armor...... a 70's armor i still need :(

i was hoping for the same exact thing...

[geopet]

What hyperziz did was all client side. He's not a hacker, he just modified his game.

who is hyperziz?!

[Musketeer]

What surprises me about this Epic Boss is that you can use exactly the same armor as last week to fight it.

Anyone who maxed out Jian+ can use it all over again, and I've reached lvl 14 in the first evening with my main knight in HH+ working solo.

[Bma85]

If this boss is following Deva's stats. Then I'm guessing the nemesis will be worthless again this week. If this is going to be the new trend on bosses then nemesis armors need to be upgraded or there will be no point in getting them.

[deathexe]

If this boss is following Deva's stats. Then I'm guessing the nemesis will be worthless again this week. If this is going to be the new trend on bosses then nemesis armors need to be upgraded or there will be no point in getting them.

Actually nemesis this week is pretty useful because the boss is a mono element. Because of that normal armors don't get the double element advantage anymore.

[Bma85]

Actually nemesis this week is pretty useful because the boss is a mono element. Because of that normal armors don't get the double element advantage anymore.
But their low stats make them only take 2-3 hits before they die. So you more than likely still get more damage with a decent water armor.

[BethMo]

Actually nemesis this week is pretty useful because the boss is a mono element. Because of that normal armors don't get the double element advantage anymore.

Jian+ is still better than the Nemesis, though. Nemesis just dies too quickly.

[Lunasea]

I think they figured if they let this armor be a mono Fire element ;
they will lose out on people buying future Fire elemental Nemesis in future since It would hit almost or as hard as a Nemesis would ;
Guess its time to prioritise the other Plus versions of Epic bosses we had gotten over the last few weeks
Getting the armors is one thing .... getting a Epic boss armor Plus version to the max level is another thing altogether .... it would requires lots and lots of gold and armors
This week boss looks awesome though :p

[Bryanv2]

It's a very cool looking boss. Is it as strong as the previous boss ? If so i probably can't reach 21+ that way

[Bma85]

It's a very cool looking boss. Is it as strong as the previous boss ? If so i probably can't reach 21+ that way
Yes, it has the exact same stats as Deva so far.

[Edcculus]

Man, is it really the same as Deva? That kind of sucks. I was able to get to level 12 by myself using a maxed HH+. I'm level 63. I'm at level 13 right now (had to add a maxed LF+ because my HH+ alone was getting killed). Other info. I have maxed LF+, HH+ and AA+ and am working on maxing Cirius+.

So did anyone near my level get to level 43 (or whatever the threshold to get the + version is) on Deva? If so, what is the strategy? I have a good bit of friends with Jian and HH armor, which seems to be the best on this boss as well. The problem was on Deva, I ended up getting to about Level 25, and it just got so hard that I could barely get by with my whole party and 2 high level Jian friends.

Any advice would be appreciated!

Also, anyone with Jian+, HH+ or even the nemesis feel free to add me if you have spots. XBC-NWZ-XPZ. Thanks!

[Musketeer]

Man, is it really the same as Deva? That kind of sucks. I was able to get to level 12 by myself using a maxed HH+. I'm level 63. I'm at level 13 right now (had to add a maxed LF+ because my HH+ alone was getting killed). Other info. I have maxed LF+, HH+ and AA+ and am working on maxing Cirius+.

So did anyone near my level get to level 43 (or whatever the threshold to get the + version is) on Deva? If so, what is the strategy? I have a good bit of friends with Jian and HH armor, which seems to be the best on this boss as well. The problem was on Deva, I ended up getting to about Level 25, and it just got so hard that I could barely get by with my whole party and 2 high level Jian friends.

Any advice would be appreciated!

Also, anyone with Jian+, HH+ or even the nemesis feel free to add me if you have spots. XBC-NWZ-XPZ. Thanks!

LF is a bad choice because spirit is getting you hit 50% harder. Go for AA+ if you have it instead, or more HH+

That said, I doubt at lvl 63 you can get to 43 kill. I just managed 43 on Diva at level 95+, with similar powerful friends.

43 kills get you the second load of 50 materials so you can craft the + version without having to spend gems at the summoning stone.

[Edcculus]

Thanks for the reply. Thats kind of what I figured based on Diva. Well, heres hoping for a slightly easier boss next time!

[Bma85]

Thanks for the reply. Thats kind of what I figured based on Diva. Well, heres hoping for a slightly easier boss next time!
Unless they change their minds, it looks like this is the new way bosses are going to be. 3 day craft times on the armors instead of 2, and people that used to be able to get 60 kills barely able to get the 43 for the + armors.

[Zodog]

Edcculus:
Your only hope is to level up as soon as possible, get your story armors, and join a guild. Don't bother trying to get to 43 on this boss, and probably the next one also.

[palehorsem4n]

Is this armor going to be fixed or what? If I have to replace Beast+ this soon I'm going to be severely pissed off.

[Musketeer]

Is this armor going to be fixed or what? If I have to replace Beast+ this soon I'm going to be severely pissed off.

I don't think they'll "fix" it, because it isn't broken, it's what they've chosen to put out, possibly altered as a result of the client-side shenannigins from one individual.

I missed the Beast+, so I'm happy to have another chance at a this one.

[Issaquah]

Okay, I'm really confused.

In my armorsmith the armor clearly shows earth/spirit. A friend has already crafted the armor and it is showing as a solo-fire.


http://s22.postimg.org/wikbmloml/Wander.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/wikbmloml/)

[palehorsem4n]

It's clearly broken.. If they keep changing stuff in this game they're going to lose a huge portion of the customer base. Increasing boss craft times by 24 hours is a crock of sh*t and I won't be hanging around too much longer if the trend continues. I'm not a casual player by any means and I'm still barely able to finish one armor per week at 48 hour craft times. I'm not giving you money either way GREE; stop trying to force my hand.

Edit: Is the armor above correct? I thought that was an old Nemesis. Can anyone confirm?

Paging Eunuchorn!

[Musketeer]

Okay, I'm really confused.

In my armorsmith the armor clearly shows earth/spirit. Oceanhawk (#35 in the Arena) has already crafted the armor and it is showing as a solo-fire.

http://postimg.org/image/wikbmloml/

Hmm, maybe he paid a ton of gems to do it, but I'm suspicious that it's been client-side hacked; there hasn't been enough time yet (it takes 43 hours with 30% speed bonus and lvl 3 armorsmith) to craft it without using gems to speed the process, and that seems a terrible waste of gems.

[Zodog]

That's an old armor

[Issaquah]

thx Zodog.

[Ceius]

gree change back the boss stats and the time for crafting the epic boss armor or you are gonna lost a lot of players

[hyperziz]

I told you so... LOL
You are all just paying for something that is already on your phone

[BethMo]

Okay, I'm really confused.

In my armorsmith the armor clearly shows earth/spirit. A friend has already crafted the armor and it is showing as a solo-fire.

http://s22.postimg.org/wikbmloml/Wander.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/wikbmloml/)

That's Huntress's Nemesis.

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[Archangel_rd]

I told you so... LOL
You are all just paying for something that is already on your phone

Yes u were right hyper.... unbelievable man

[Mike Stanley]

Hey hyper can you spot the next boss when a air/water boss comes?

[The Wise One]

Just an FYI, the element on the boss armor is going to be change to reflect what it's originally supposed to be. Expect it soon-ish.

[Lieda]

It's clearly broken.. If they keep changing stuff in this game they're going to lose a huge portion of the customer base. Increasing boss craft times by 24 hours is a crock of sh*t and I won't be hanging around too much longer if the trend continues. I'm not a casual player by any means and I'm still barely able to finish one armor per week at 48 hour craft times. I'm not giving you money either way GREE; stop trying to force my hand.

Edit: Is the armor above correct? I thought that was an old Nemesis. Can anyone confirm?

Paging Eunuchorn!

i just wanted to second that, i hated the change in the craft time, wheter was it a maneuver to force us to buy gems or not, I dont know but i dont see an obvious reason to increase the time by so much...

and for sure its dark/earth

[Ceius]

now is fire mono

[Deman]

Im glad for the mono armor. I missed out on the first few mono because I was just starting.

[StoneKnight]

I just started and this is my first boss, wish I found this game earlier.So yeah I don't mind if they messed up, I already have spirit/earth armor and it's pretty good for my level.

IGN:Stone
Friend Code:XBB-WRW-YRR

Please add me I'm just trying to beat the boss for it's armor, which is 15 wins. Thanks!

[Miyabi]

Crafted the first set and now becomes fire mono!
D4MN! No refund or cancellation nothing!
5CR3W greeD

[Claxton13]

I started last week and am looking for help to get from 10 kills to 15 so I can get some decent armor. My code is WBB-CGR-CHP. Thanks and good luck.

[overcire]

read the beginner guide good sir. The best armors are not the ones that have the highest maximums, at your level, but rather those that appreciate the most per gold invested.

After beating the wandering flame ten times you will have access to three Hydra hunter armors. level that up until you get a message that you can craft HH+ armor. It will still be a while until chest's and daily bonus's give you the materials you need, but it is a great piece of armor. It has a better growth rate than most of the Legendary armors!

[BethMo]

Just an FYI, the element on the boss armor is going to be change to reflect what it's originally supposed to be. Expect it soon-ish.

Looks like they pushed through that fix a little too quickly. The boss drop says "Used to craft Legendary Fire/[[element2]] element armor!"

http://www.funzio.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3844&d=1372489318 (http://www.funzio.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3844&d=1372489318)
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edit: let's see if I can get this to show the image in-line...

[Musketeer]

Crafted the first set and now becomes fire mono!
D4MN! No refund or cancellation nothing!
5CR3W greeD

I have to agree, the armor may have been wrong, but once people were crafting it was wrong to change it, pulling the rug out from under their feet.

I decided not to bother crafting this armor, and glad I didn't; I have no real use for a mono legendary armor, especially fire. Too many armors can get a bonus against it with ease.

That at least leaves my armorsmiths free to craft what I need to level up the legendaries I already have in production.

We need a way to dump unwanted materials for gold - even a very little gold.

[Zenobia]

So this boss is at least as hard as the last one to kill. Just for the record, I do NOT like the change. It is disproportional to amount of boost our guilds give us. It is also WAY disproportional to the lifespan of nemesis armor now. I have absolutely avoided the DPC since the last dragon, because I actually fear getting a nemesis armor! It dies in like 4 hits! If Gree wants more money from me, they'll have to make it very much possible for a good lvl 100+ player to get through Boss 43 without buying energy (assuming one has friends with good armor), and make the nemesis useful again. Then my friends and I will be wearing it. :)

Making the boss a bit tougher to compensate for the increased strength guilds makes us is fine. It's just that it is too much stronger compared to how much stronger we are. I can't imagine how impossible it is for someone <lvl 100 without a bunch of lvl 100+ friends with maxed Jian+.

[deathexe]

So this boss is at least as hard as the last one to kill. Just for the record, I do NOT like the change. It is disproportional to amount of boost our guilds give us. It is also WAY disproportional to the lifespan of nemesis armor now. I have absolutely avoided the DPC since the last dragon, because I actually fear getting a nemesis armor! It dies in like 4 hits! If Gree wants more money from me, they'll have to make it very much possible for a good lvl 100+ player to get through Boss 43 without buying energy (assuming one has friends with good armor), and make the nemesis useful again. Then my friends and I will be wearing it. :)

Making the boss a bit tougher to compensate for the increased strength guilds makes us is fine. It's just that it is too much stronger compared to how much stronger we are. I can't imagine how impossible it is for someone <lvl 100 without a bunch of lvl 100+ friends with maxed Jian+.

While I do agree that nemesis is weaker compared to how it used to be,a level 100 reaching 43 is actually pretty doable. I've been taking it easy with this boss and I'm at level 35 with 3 days and 21 hours to spare.

[Zenobia]

While I do agree that nemesis is weaker compared to how it used to be,a level 100 reaching 43 is actually pretty doable. I've been taking it easy with this boss and I'm at level 35 with 3 days and 21 hours to spare.

Well, I don't have a bunch of legendary lvl 70 armor yet so it's not so easy for me. In fact, no legendary lvl 70s yet lol. I got through the last boss #43 with only a few hours to spare, and had to go back in after the first round after an hour and a half to get the max energy possible. And do it at work lol. I'm at lvl 33 now on this one and don't know if I'll make it. I don't particularly want this armor so that's no biggie, it's just that if this is the way all bosses are going to be in the future, it's going to be stressful. Not to mention players in the upper double-digits are now going to find it pretty much impossible to get + armor without spending $$$, which I just think is not cool. I just think if they are going to make the bosses tougher, fine, just make them proportionally so as compared to the typical guild armor bonuses. I have pretty darn good bonuses in my guild and the boss is MANY times harder than it used to be even with my bonuses.

Also, what's with the armor now taking THREE DAYS to craft. 48 hours (or 43-45 or whatever) was bad enough. But 3 days is crazy! If you want to set aside one armory, to make one regular then one plus per week, well, that takes up five and a half days of the week. If you want to also make up past armors that need doing, then you'll be a day behind come the next round. It's too long. 48 seemed like forever. THIS is really forever.

[Jedirob]

Hello everyone I am level 48 on my second epic boss 1 kill from making the armor and I need help. I am a daily player XBD-DFD-NHD iOS player.

[thoxenzor]

Hi all, I need some help, need higher level friends or people with nemesis armor,

wanna deal A LOT damage to this boss, haha

add me WBB-DRF-QDN (android version)

then lets fight together, currently lv33, rushing to lv40 tonight

for people who are much much higher level than me, do you mind to add me til june 3rd? haha, thanks! need help to kill this boss.

[Raistmar]

While I do agree that nemesis is weaker compared to how it used to be,a level 100 reaching 43 is actually pretty doable. I've been taking it easy with this boss and I'm at level 35 with 3 days and 21 hours to spare.

It's actually much harder than deva because with deva you had a double elemental boost, whereas with this boss it's only the regular boost.

[askanc]

hello guys ı am new in this game.I am 29 lvl and ı am very weak.I use steam wizards robes lvl18,asura armor lvl 9,monks vestments lvl 9 what can ı do to be better

And ı need high lvl friends for the boss

my code: XBD-HPR-RGH

[Epon]

Yeah, its pretty annoying to be over 100, with lots of 100+ friends with good armor, have Nemesis, have maxed 70+ armor on my own knights and still struggle to reach level 51, let along have a prayer at level 60 without buying lots of energy.

[Lieda]

It's actually much harder than deva because with deva you had a double elemental boost, whereas with this boss it's only the regular boost.

Exactly what I was going to say but seems it so that you beat me to it. I am at 33 and I can barely kill it in a single full party with strong jian+ friends, personally im a little weak x fire since my best armor against it is my avenger plus, but still the guild bonuses cannot be compared to this, and it cant be stressed enough that nemesis is a joke against it, i dont try dpc at all any longer, 3 hits nemesis is dead... i think this really should be reviewed, for so much now i have 0 reasons to open any DPC and i guess many people are going to do the same, noticing that since deva none of my friends have nemesis anymore, and, back then, there were at least 3 or 4 of them with a nemesis...

[D3athShade]

For the lower levels, i'm lvl 75 now so you can add me if you need help with the boss.

[Epon]

I take it back, Its a struggle to get to 51. As it is, at level 44, I can't beat it with a full party at 8 energy. I barely got it down at level 43 with a 5/2 group and a couple of misses by the boss. I may see how far I can go at 5/2 or 4/3, but if I can't down it without spending gems before level 51, I'm done for this week. I'm not going to spend a bunch of gems every single week, so I'm hoping this trend of super bosses doesn't continue much longer.

[Lunasea]

I still think its a good armor to get if you think of it as a "permanent" Spirit Nemesis armor especially now that Nemesis armor is so weak now and cant take the punishment from the regular bosses nowadays ; It wont be a priority in terms of getting it up to max lvl though as dual Elements armors is more useful in the short term especially with the guild elemental bonus that we can get

[tonedge]

I'm not enjoying these new epic bosses much. Before they got much stronger i could get to quite a lot of the later rewards but now i can barely even get to 21. I'm just hoping that Gree eventually take them down a notch or two.

[D3athShade]

I got to 21 and after that i stopped... I'm happy they changed the element on the armor to mono fire tho

[KOA]

Can anyone comment on whether getting the + version is even worth it?
I'm also wondering if it possible for anyone to get to 60 without the use of gems.

[D3athShade]

Can anyone comment on whether getting the + version is even worth it?
I'm also wondering if it possible for anyone to get to 60 without the use of gems.

without gems? I highly doubt it =/ especially since the nemesis sux balls and you can't have duel elemental advantage on this boss

[Bearsuo]

without gems? I highly doubt it =/ especially since the nemesis sux balls and you can't have duel elemental advantage on this boss

I'm on track to end the event at or close to 58, and I used two gems to "fix" a really bad miss spree I had one round, if that counts. I'm also around #20 on the leaderboard or was earlier today.

[D3athShade]

I'm on track to end the event at or close to 58, and I used two gems to "fix" a really bad miss spree I had one round, if that counts. I'm also around #20 on the leaderboard or was earlier today.

Nope, doesn't count :D only 0 gems :D just kidding, good job man, hope i can get to 43 one day... (i'm lvl 76 now and still cant get to 43 :( )

[overcire]

Please bring back a pre jian level boss, even if just for android.

We do not have guilds, so we do not have a recent damage boost.

We do not have a bunch of level 100's available in nemisis (or****+) armor

If i got within reach of 60 i might drop a few gems, but for level 51? not going to happen



android, ign cire (sometime appended by a recent achievment), wearing maxed jian+, code wbb - bmm - nqy

[BethMo]

I'm not even sure if I can get 51 without gems. I need the boss to miss several times.

[Raistmar]

I'm on track to end the event at or close to 58, and I used two gems to "fix" a really bad miss spree I had one round, if that counts. I'm also around #20 on the leaderboard or was earlier today.

What's your setup?

[c-rule]

wow, i bought 11 chest

3x Wanderers Nemesis, is it good to fuze 2 of them? and with what kind of Amors?

[Bearsuo]

What's your setup?

Six friends with enough guild bonuses their Jians have over 1700 attack.

But for what it's worth: Jackalopes chain on a leading knight, my Jians on commander, and swamp shaman (because I'm not farming fast enough to have leveled my other Jackalope)

I also made some lucky calls with when to use how many knights. I've been 5/2ing until lately; pretty sure I wouldn't have crossed 51 except 4/3'd.

[mikieblue]

I'm 14 levels in on Wandering Flame. Desperate to get it completed today. (18,367 hp remaining)

It would be great if someone could help support this last round. :)

WBB - FPG - VFW

I'm lvl 35.

Got Wanderers Nemesis lvl 16
Sky Guardian - 15
Storm Sorcerer - 15
Forgemasters Garb - 18
Monsterous Garb - 16
Vinewood Carapace 4

17 gems stocked (but i'll pay for another 65 if required)

Anything you can do / advise me would be great!

thanks,

Mike

[Lieda]

L41 im not gonna make it w/o gems but i didnt wanted a plus version anyways T_T

[Barryboo]

This boss is the hardest yet I think. I'm level 128 and using 3 level 70 water armors and I'm struggling to make it to 51 without spending gems.
The rewards are poor for such a tuff boss

[mikieblue]

Lieda
L41 im not gonna make it w/o gems but i didnt wanted a plus version anyways T_T..

What do you mean by this? I can already craft the wanderers shroud (due to 50x flames) so.. if i get to lvl 15. Does it become wanderers shroud+?

If so! I'm even more desperate to get this done :P HELPP!!!!

[mikieblue]

This boss is the hardest yet I think. I'm level 128 and using 3 level 70 water armors and I'm struggling to make it to 51 without spending gems.
The rewards are poor for such a tuff boss

Barry! Please pm me your addy (If you're playing on android) I'll finish it in 1 hit with your help :)

[deathexe]

Lieda
L41 im not gonna make it w/o gems but i didnt wanted a plus version anyways T_T..

What do you mean by this? I can already craft the wanderers shroud (due to 50x flames) so.. if i get to lvl 15. Does it become wanderers shroud+?

If so! I'm even more desperate to get this done :P HELPP!!!!

To get the +version, you need 100 materials. 50 to craft a normal version, and another 50 to craft the + version. After you level the normal version to 35, you'll unlock the +version, but you'll need to craft it against. By the way, the normal versio of the boss armor is quite useless.

[Raistmar]

Six friends with enough guild bonuses their Jians have over 1700 attack.

But for what it's worth: Jackalopes chain on a leading knight, my Jians on commander, and swamp shaman (because I'm not farming fast enough to have leveled my other Jackalope)

I also made some lucky calls with when to use how many knights. I've been 5/2ing until lately; pretty sure I wouldn't have crossed 51 except 4/3'd.

Jackalope must be big difference maker, I'm using hydra, jian+ and swamp+ with 2 jian friends over 1.7k atk(more than 10 of these) like mine and still had trouble getting to 51.

[Barryboo]

Barry! Please pm me your addy (If you're playing on android) I'll finish it in 1 hit with your help :)

Sorry I'm on iPhone

[mikieblue]

no probs fella. thanks..

Whats the score with moving to iphone. I've seen people posting & getting trolled for asking.. but i've only got android coz my iphone broke. I'll no doubt buy a new one soon.

Can the stuff i got transfer across or......

[deathexe]

no probs fella. thanks..

Whats the score with moving to iphone. I've seen people posting & getting trolled for asking.. but i've only got android coz my iphone broke. I'll no doubt buy a new one soon.

Can the stuff i got transfer across or......

No, you cannot. K&D isn't cross compatible.

[Raistmar]

This boss is the hardest yet I think. I'm level 128 and using 3 level 70 water armors and I'm struggling to make it to 51 without spending gems.
The rewards are poor for such a tuff boss

This has the same difficulty as the last boss 'the deva' only difference is that with deva you had double element advantage. You can clearly see the advantage of dual elemental armor compared to a mono with this boss as an example.

[Vezna]

Anyone have stats for the wanderers should regular and + to add to spreadsheet yet?

[Lieda]

Yes, I can see, the advantage of the MONO armor, because we cannot deal double damage to it no matter what dual we use, unlike pyro that was double countered by jian, so how are dual having any advantage incthis scenario? What I said before and still say is that mono and duals are the same, except that indeed theres the guild bonuses that olny affects duals thats the only advantage of the dual over mono.

[c-rule]

hey can anybody help me, with combine something

[Epon]

Well, I tried one friend's water mono and one friend's jian and the jian still did more damage (I assume the mono was also maxed). I only got to level 49 without spending gems. I decided it wasn't worth spending 20 gems (10 per battle) to get level 51 for 15 hydro armors that are worth the same in enhancing points as snakeskins that I can very easily farm. Maybe takes me a day to make that up.

[Lieda]

Well, I tried one friend's water mono and one friend's jian and the jian still did more damage (I assume the mono was also maxed). I only got to level 49 without spending gems. I decided it wasn't worth spending 20 gems (10 per battle) to get level 51 for 15 hydro armors that are worth the same in enhancing points as snakeskins that I can very easily farm. Maybe takes me a day to make that up.

Then jian clearly had more attack power

[Raistmar]

Yes, I can see, the advantage of the MONO armor, because we cannot deal double damage to it no matter what dual we use, unlike pyro that was double countered by jian, so how are dual having any advantage incthis scenario? What I said before and still say is that mono and duals are the same, except that indeed theres the guild bonuses that olny affects duals thats the only advantage of the dual over mono.

You are losing out on versatility. That alone makes dual element better.

Having double elemental advantage goes a long way compared to just 50% a mono will give you. Sure it's not everytime you can have that advantage but by just bein there it's good enough.

Edit:
Spr/earth- double advantage with spr/fire
Spr/fire- double advantage with fire/water
Spr/wind- double advantage with fire/earth
Spr/water- double advantage with fire/wid

How many of these would you use mono fire on that a dual element can't out perform?

And I'm not even talking about arena yet.

Would you waste 3+ mil gold and resources to get that to 70 knowing there are far better armors out there? Unless of course you are eunuchorn, he's just crazy xD

Edit 2: this of course will all change if gree decides to buff mono armor stats or change how dual and mono works but till then I'd say mono are inferior armors.

[Lieda]

I think we wont agree after all so i guess this discussion shouldnt continue... I'll insist that except of the guild bonuses, wich was a recente thing, theres no technical advantages on dual x mono. There are some armors stronger than others as you suggested, but advantages and disvantages work on both ways on dual x mono, theres no doubled bonus on on a dual hitting mono, as theres no double bonus on mono hitting dual, we arent talking here about A armor vs B armor, we're talking 1 type elemento vs 2 type element, and i'll say the same thing I said before, this boss is having advantage against us, why? we cant double damage him, why? hes mono, the opposite is true also...

im not saying that everybody should use, im not getting this boss armor either, i prefer dual becuz arena fights go faster due to high chance of counters, Its just my OPINION that technically speaking, except from guild bonuses, theres no advantages of one type over the other type...

[Raistmar]

If you that you are not looking at the dynamics of the game.

[Lieda]

Well then, just tell me exactly how a dual is better than a mono on a dual x mono armors fight? leaving guild bonuses aside.

[Raistmar]

That's just one part of the game you are looking out not the whole game in general. That's why I'm saying you are not looking at the game dynamics.

[Lieda]

That's just one part of the game you are looking out not the whole game in general. That's why I'm saying you are not looking at the game dynamics.

nope, I am not speaking as whole, nor game dynamics here, im specifically telling that duals are not superior to mono put these two kinds to fight each other, thats all i said since the beginning.

also in the arena, doesnt matter, but since theres guild bonuses, duals will keep ahead, otherwise nothing would stop a mono knights group from scoring the best place or be on among the best ones.

[Raistmar]

nope, I am not speaking as whole, nor game dynamics here, im specifically telling that duals are not superior to mono put these two kinds to fight each other, thats all i said since the beginning

If you put it as a 1 vs 1 match there would obviously be no advantage. But where in this game do you fight one on one?

[Lieda]

If you put it as a 1 vs 1 match there would obviously be no advantage. But where in this game do you fight one on one?

But its doesnt matter, a group mixed with monos and duals or mono only vs duals, theres no technical advange on one vs the other, thats all im saying, and I still prefer duals, yes, but wouldnt a 1500/1500 fire/Wind be the same thing as a 1500/1500 fire only if they would fight each other? thats all im saying... because of guild bonuses (yet again) duals will be better on status wise, but if this current mono armor were like 1700/1500 like jian, and there were no guild bonuses to make a difference, i wouldnt think twice before getting it and using it on arena

[Raistmar]

But its doesnt matter, a group mixed with monos and duals or mono only vs duals, theres no technical advange on one vs the other, thats all im saying, and I still prefer duals, yes, but wouldnt a 1500/1500 fire/Wind be the same thing as a 1500/1500 fire only if they would fight each other? thats all im saying... because of guild bonuses (yet again) duals will be better on status wise, but if this current mono armor were like 1700/1500 like jian, and there were no guild bonuses to make a difference, i wouldnt think twice before getting it and using it on arena

The problem with your argument is you're not putting it to the context of the game.

With the example you gave a fire/wind like that will shred a water/spr and it will still do decent dmg to any water or spr based. You see that is how the game works. A dual element has multiple uses whereas a mono element are VERY situational. You don't just look at how it would do better if it comes across a mono with the same element and stats. Thats is not how the game works.

Edit: Without all the guild bonuses the only way 3 mono to get to top 25 will be if they know all the enemy setup and plan accordingly.

[Lieda]

The problem with your argument is you're not putting it to the context of the game.

With the example you gave a fire/wind like that will shred a water/spr and it will still do decent dmg to any water or spr based. You see that is how the game works. A dual element has multiple uses whereas a mono element are VERY situational. You don't just look at how it would do better if it comes across a mono with the same element and stats. Thats is not how the game works.

Edit: Without all the guild bonuses the only way 3 mono to get to top 25 will be if they know all the enemy setup and plan accordingly.

well im being very specific from the very beginning, im talking about mono vs dual, one vs the other, no how both of them affect the game as a whole so im not changing or drifting off the subject ive brought upon, and yet, i cannot agree the later because... why cant monos be on top? if there were Strong monos status wise, the odds on arena would be the same, one arena, dual x mono is actually mono vs mono! duals takes no place in a fight of dual x mono, you can try to compare any dual x mono, the result is a mono x mono dispute


edit: there would be one way for dual being superior no matter what, a dual armor of the same element. water/water

also, there would a special condition where both armors would have an advantage against each other wich is a tie result anyways.

[Raistmar]

well im being very specific from the very beginning, im talking about mono vs dual, one vs the other, no how both of them affect the game as a whole so im not changing or drifting off the subject ive brought upon, and yet, i cannot agree the later because... why cant monos be on top? if there were Strong monos status wise, the odds on arena would be the same, one arena, dual x mono is actually mono vs mono! duals takes no place in a fight of dual x mono, you can try to compare any dual x mono, the result is a mono x mono dispute

You don't see that a dual might have an element to counter your mono? If a water vs water/air armor pairs up which would win? Just follow the logic of my argument don't want to list out all the possible elemental variance.

Wow we just useD up a page arguing about something, haven't done that in this forum before xD

Edit: bad example, even if its water vs fire/air the winner is still a toss up.

[Lieda]

You don't see that a dual might have an element to counter your mono? If a water vs water/air armor pairs up which would win? Just follow the logic of my argument don't want to list out all the possible elemental variance.

Wow we just useD up a page arguing about something, haven't done that in this forum before xD

Edit: bad example, even if its water vs fire/air the winner is still a toss up.


its not a bad example, but noticed that special condition, edited below, stating that situation, yet the result is the same, no advantage to either dual or mono, its a toss up! so how that ends up in a general rule that a dual is stronger? simply because theres no..

"You don't see that a dual might have an element to counter your mono?" you just tell me, the opposite isnt true also?

having two elements increases the chance that one of them is stronger than the mono, but ALWAYS the opposite is true, it also increases the chance that one of your two elements on dual is weaker than the mono element, its simple really...

just tell me ONE dual armor that there isnt a mono counter

[Raistmar]

its not a bad example, but noticed that special condition, edited below, stating that situation, yet the result is the same, no advantage to either dual or mono, its a toss up! so how that ends up in a general rule that a dual is stronger? simply because theres no..

"You don't see that a dual might have an element to counter your mono?" you just tell me, the opposite isnt true also?

having two elements increases the chance that one of them is stronger than the mono, but ALWAYS the opposite is true, it also increases the chance that one of your two elements on dual is weaker than the mono element, its simple really...

See that's my point exactly, if we are going to go to the what ifs and what nots, the versatility of a dual beats mono. There is a higher chance that you would atleast counter one of the element your opponent have with a dual.

Edit: actually my second example shows both of them having an elemental advantage. Water>fire air>water. There are 3 more variants of armors that can have wind in them to counter a mono water. Which water can't counter leaving it in a disadvantage.

[Lieda]

See that's my point exactly, if we are going to go to the what ifs and what nots, the versatility of a dual beats mono. There is a higher chance that you would atleast counter one of the element your opponent have with a dual.

:(

And in the same scenarion, increasing elements on an armor Aka dual armor, ALSO increases the chance that the mono element armor will counter your dual isnt that true? really think about it...

[Raistmar]

:(

And in the same scenarion, increasing elements on an armor Aka dual armor, ALSO increases the chance that the mono element armor will counter your dual isnt that true? really think about it...

I'm going by the most basic here, there is a 2:1 chance that a dual armor will come across something it can counter compared to a mono.

We're not gonna see eye to eye with this, but as I said you are looking only at a part of the game not as a whole.

Until they come up with other 'super' mono armor like this your argument is not valid as you can't prove it. As they say do as you preach.

Edit: oh I forgot with the guild bonus, even if they come up with a mono with the same stats as let say jian, a dual will always have superior stats compared to a mono so it might never happen.

[Lieda]

Alright lets put this simple, I think we are discussing how dual armor are better than mono, assuming the two kinds are fighting each other. You need to tell me one scenario where a dual is superior to mono, we must not talk specifics here because we know there isnt that much powerful monos around... it doesnt matter... its a logical thing... adding one extra element to an armor incrases the chances of it being a advantageous element as well as increasing the chance if it being a disvantageous element... and please, going back to game dynamics is changing subject, you just need to prove how a dual armor is superior to mono, and why mono knights cant be on the best places give that there were better mono armors to match the high statuses of dual ones...

[Raistmar]

Alright lets put this simple, I think we are discussing how dual armor are better than mono, assuming the two kinds are fighting each other. You need to tell me one scenario where a dual is superior to mono, we must not talk specifics here because we know there isnt that much powerful monos around... it doesnt matter... its a logical thing... adding one extra element to an armor incrases the chances of it being a advantageous element as well as increasing the chance if it being a disvantageous element... and please, going back to game dynamics is changing subject, you just need to prove how a dual armor is superior to mono, and why mono knights cant be on the best places give that there were better mono armors to match the high statuses of dual ones...

I'm not saying a dual is better than a mono as a singular thing.

What I'm pointing out and it seems you are not getting is that a dual is better than a mono as a whole in this game.

If you are only looking at the stats of an armor to max and level up there are far mor better fire armor that has plenty more of uses.

Again I'm talking about dual and mono as a whole within the dynamics of the game.

What you are talking about has no basis for the game as it is all what ifs and what nots.

[Lieda]

I'm not saying a dual is better than a mono as a singular thing.

What I'm pointing out and it seems you are not getting is that a dual is better than a mono as a whole in this game.

If you are only looking at the stats of an armor to max and level up there are far mor better fire armor that has plenty more of uses.

Again I'm talking about dual and mono as a whole within the dynamics of the game.

What you are talking about has no basis for the game as it is all what ifs and what nots.


Alright, now you made your point clear, not as a singular 'thing', its understandable, also i agreed with you before that duals are better for this game as a whole because of its variety, i think there should be even three elements armor for the fun of it! and I get that, and stated it several times in past posts! also im not defending this particular armor, i stated im not even getting it! but please dont say that I have no basis for what im saying or am I being discrepant because I'm focusing on a single sujbect, dual type being better to the mono type were they fighting each other... because they are not... they are equals...

[Raistmar]

I'm focusing on a single sujbect, dual type being better to the mono type were they fighting each other... because they are not... they are equals...

What you are saying would never happen in game unless you and a friend decides to do it in a friend battle. You must always consider that there will always be 3 toons that will have to fight each other not just one. And all the variables that can happen in a fight.

So what you are basically saying has no basis in game. Look at the whole thing and not just mono vs dual. Because that will never happen unless it's premeditated(don't know if this is the right word).

And with the guild bonus, even if both dual and mono has the same base stats. The dual will have superior stats because of the bonus from both elements.

[Lieda]

I see it is useless to keep arguing about this...

I guess we should stop here so you would stop saying that I have no basis for what im saying, and I will stop telling you to not change the subject of the discussion...

[Raistmar]

I see it is useless to keep arguing about this...

I guess we should stop here so you would stop saying that I have no basis for what im saying, and I will stop telling you to not change the subject of the discussion...

Can you ever get a mono and dual to fight one on one in this game? And I'm not changing the subject. You're just not seeing the point.

Edit: wow 2 pages.

Edit2: I edited the last quote to point at which part of your argument I'm arguing at. Maybe that will clear up the changing the topic part.

[Bearsuo]

Jackalope must be big difference maker, I'm using hydra, jian+ and swamp+ with 2 jian friends over 1.7k atk(more than 10 of these) like mine and still had trouble getting to 51.

Have you done a 4 knight then 3 knight approach, using 4 friends with 1700+ Jians?

[Lieda]

Can you ever get a mono and dual to fight one on one in this game? And I'm not changing the subject. You're just not seeing the point.

Doesnt matter the order, or the elements mixup between mono and dual.. All fights are 1x1, once one knight is down, the next one comes up, and the same rule applies... Please lets not start pointing to one another, i know exatcly what im talking about... Im really tired of this... So im really stopping now... You can keep believing in what you believe and so will I... After all this thread isnt a place for discussing this...

[Raistmar]

Have you done a 4 knight then 3 knight approach, using 4 friends with 1700+ Jians?

I only do that with the previous boss lvl 58-60 boss fights. If i use this method i can only kill 2 boss a day.

Edit: boss before deva and jian


Doesnt matter the order, or the elements mixup between mono and dual.. All fights are 1x1, once one knight is down, the next one comes up, and the same rule applies... Please lets not start pointing to one another, i know exatcly what im talking about... Im really tired of this... So im really stopping now... You can keep believing in what you believe and so will I... After all this thread isnt a place for discussing this...

Knights carry over to the next thus you can NEVER say its one on one.

And pvp with in this game is not balanced with the opposing player always going first.

[Roark]

thought this might get lost in the android thread, food for thought:

I've wondered a few times this week, with the questionable utility of a mono element armor, if GREE is testing to see if people even know what they're spending their gems on (ie how stupid the spenders are)

no way this armor is as good as Jian's+

it's a partial quote and slightly out of context given the discussion was "cheating" low level armor players in top positions, and the sheer number of gems that would have to be used if only one of 3 knights should be getting a hit in, if no stats are modded

[Ashnagarr]

Gna, although I missed level 35 by a mere 300 hp left on the boss *rage* - thanks a ton to Killazerg, Kun Chan, Thatzme, Hitokiri, Alieda, HoiLord, Laqattack and konofo. I wouldn't have made it that far without you(r chars) :).

@Raistmar: Your inbox is full btw, you can't receive messages ;)

[Musketeer]

Beat level 43 on the last morning, thanks to all my friends.

Even then it took two swipes, 5/2, with 3 of the 5 being level 100 toons in Lvl 70 legendary armor, and the 2 were my level 100 main in level 70 legendary, plus a level 100 friend in maxed (I'm pretty sure) Nemesis.

Now I have to figure out if I'm even going to actually craft this armor...

[mikieblue]

Well.. I managed 15 vs wanderer in the end. By like 20mins. Turns out it was pretty pointless for me. I could already craft the armour from ~lvl10 so wasted like ~80gems for nothing (and what turns out to be a pretty crappy armour anyway)

Haha that's what you get for being a bored nub with a credit card. On the + side I've managed 11 levels on the new boss without spending a penny using only my current knights + armour. Should @ least get this one to 15 easily...

I'd like to understand combining armours a little better. I've read just about every post & dloaded someone's spread sheet so I get what creates what etc. As wanderers shroud is a single element will it not be eligible to combine with another single element armour?

The reason I ask is because I just wondered if another **** single element boss armour may be released to combine it with.. Maybe [Edit "Create" a 5* armour even??] :D (I know they don't exist currently) but would like to know what the vets think? Am I barking totally up the wrong tree? 4 stars seems a bit pointless to stop on :P haha

[Dobey]

Damn never had a chance to get the + armour... Had a few long hour shifts soooo rotted .. Was soo close too with 2 nemesis armour errr

[c-rule]

what is air fusion boost armor`?

[D3athShade]

what is air fusion boost armor`?

It's int the name... You use it to enhance armors. Gives 180 ep to the armor with same element. Btw this is NOT the thread to post this question in.