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Beardy
06-24-2013, 04:17 PM
http://imageshack.us/a/img96/8571/693a.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img547/1816/xfim.jpg


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Name: Transtech Building
Size: 8 x 8
Money Cost: $78,000,000
Payout: 24 Hours
Type: B
Unlock Level: 20
Event Length: 20 days
Start Date: 24/06/2013
End Date: 15/07/2013

Upgrade Cost and Time and Payout:

Lv ----- Cost ------- Time --- Payout
1 ------ $78,000,000 ------- 24hr ----- $613,000
2 ------ $130,260,000 ------ 30hr ----- $1,226,000
3 ------ $216,839,999 ------ 36hr ----- $2,145,500
4 ------ $362,700,000 ------ 42hr ----- $3,371,500
5 ------ $606,060,000 ------ 48hr ----- $4,904,000
6 ------ $1,012,440,000 ---- 54hr ----- $6,743,000
7 ------ $1,691,820,000 ---- 60hr ----- $8,888,500
8 ------ $2,825,160,000 ---- 66hr ----- $11,340,500
9 ------ $4,718,220,000 ---- 72hr ----- $14,099,000
10 ----- $7,879,560,000 ---- 78hr ----- $18,390,000

There may be some error's in the above calculations. But I will correct these as soon as I know more.

See post below for prizes.

Beardy
06-24-2013, 04:19 PM
Weapon At Each Upgrade Completion:

Level 1:
Control, Alt, Delete
399/326
Melee
http://imageshack.us/a/img15/7409/qnk6.jpg

Level 2:
Code Crash
580/387
Explosive
http://imageshack.us/a/img198/1638/57y1.jpg

Level 3:
TS-50 Attack Pack
532/797
Car
http://imageshack.us/a/img268/2300/f0k5.jpg

Level 4:
Titanium Knife
997/815
Melee
http://imageshack.us/a/img6/8820/my5r.jpg

Level 5:
High Powered Rifle
1450/966
Gun

Level 6:
Experimental Kevlar Armor
1256/1885
Armor

Level 7:
Hi Tech Pistol
2193/1794
Gun

Level 8:
TS-50 Explosive Device
2972/1981
Explosive

Level 9:
Investor's Ride
3323/2718
Car

Level 10:
Bio Lock Rifle
7249/4833
Gun

Pictures to be added.

Alex_
06-24-2013, 04:25 PM
Level 1 bonus Control, Alt, Delete 399/326 (Bat)
Level 2 bonus Code crash 580/387 (Spaceship)

Alex_
06-24-2013, 04:26 PM
Its an explosive not a spaceship

K-Dawg
06-24-2013, 04:46 PM
Complete Prize List

1. Control Alt Delete, 399/326 (Melee)
2. Code Crash, 580/387 (Explosive)
3. TS-50 Attack Pack, 532/797 (Car)
4. Titanium Knife, 997/815 (Melee)
5. High Powered Rifle, 1,450/966 (Gun)
6. Experimental Kevlar Armor, 1,256/1,885 (Armor)
7. Hi Tech Pistol, 2,193/1,794 (Gun)
8. TS-50 Explosive Device, 2,972/1,981 (Explosive)
9. Investor's Ride, 3,323/2,718 (Car)
10. Bio Lock Rifle, 7,249/4,833 (Gun)

ShawnBB
06-24-2013, 04:48 PM
This is the worst building so far. I'll leave it at lvl1 if it is typeB, go back to pagoda and NC.

Edit: not the worst, just another dockside mill.
75/78 ~= 1180000/(613000*2)

Dipstik
06-24-2013, 04:49 PM
This is the worst building so far. I'll leave it at lvl1 if it is typeB, go back to pagoda and NC.

Definitely a good strategy... You should do that.

Alex_
06-24-2013, 04:50 PM
Nice prizes! Especially the last two, Shame I can only afford to get to 7 or 8

Euchred
06-24-2013, 04:56 PM
Can anyone confirm that prizes are being awarded instantly on upgrades? I noticed the build prize wasn't

Dennis B
06-24-2013, 04:56 PM
Well, it's showing 1.6m output (with the syn bonus) at level 2 when I finished level one with gold.. So it seems to be a type B, if they dont change it. They did with the Pagoda.

Dennis B
06-24-2013, 04:57 PM
Yes they are.


Can anyone confirm that prizes are being awarded instantly on upgrades? I noticed the build prize wasn't

Euchred
06-24-2013, 04:59 PM
Yes they are.

Cheers////

ShawnBB
06-24-2013, 05:11 PM
I'm out of this, will try to go heavy for the next cheap building event and get some lvl7 lvl8 prize.

THE JACK
06-24-2013, 05:19 PM
I like the way this building looks.

SC4R
06-24-2013, 05:19 PM
I'm getting me 2 of those!

(N8iV) RayJ
06-24-2013, 05:21 PM
I'm gonna keep these buildings on level 2 seem to much

MattThomas08
06-24-2013, 05:24 PM
Nice job Beardy! This is a sweet looking building, but not as awesome as Pagoda of course. At least it's not a 1 hour payout LTB. :)

LisaM
06-24-2013, 05:29 PM
I'll get two, I like the way it looks. Just wish it weren't 8x8!

BigMoney
06-24-2013, 05:30 PM
This is the worst building so far. I'll leave it at lvl1 if it is typeB, go back to pagoda and NC.

Edit: not the worst, just another dockside mill.
75/78 ~= 1180000/(613000*2)

The only reason to be upgrading NCs and Pagodas at this point is so that you can get farther in the LTBs than you currently can. You know, I actually figured it out for myself based on my own IPH/modifiers (see: http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?58005-Night-club-or-toy-box&p=820324&viewfull=1#post820324), but the short answer is that you're probably worse off by not doing the LTBs. Your IPH would be higher if you upgraded NCs/Pagodas, yes, but the items you're missing out on by not participating in the LTB are more valuable than the item(s) you can get in a future LTB by upgrading NCs/Pagodas now.

Thanker
06-24-2013, 05:33 PM
Yes they are.
Hi there,

For level one, do you get the item upon starting the construction or after the construction?

(CCK) Cam
06-24-2013, 05:34 PM
Hi there,

For level one, do you get the item upon starting the construction or after the construction?After the construction.

Sheerbliss
06-24-2013, 05:42 PM
what is the payout cycle?

edit: 24 hours. thanks for the edit above beardy

The real cosmo
06-24-2013, 05:46 PM
[QUOTE=Beardy;833952]http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/4421/glv1.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/14/glv1.png/)

[B]
Name: Transtech Building
Size: 8x8
Money Cost: $78,000,000
Type: A or B (Will update)

Umm... Shouldn't that be 4x4

The real cosmo
06-24-2013, 05:51 PM
I'm out of this, will try to go heavy for the next cheap building event and get some lvl7 lvl8 prize.

My thinking as well, but I do have a question. Should I spend 41m to upgrade my 2nd Pagoda to lvl 3? It's a 1m increase per day before bonuses & I get a 25 and 10 percent increase.

Beardy
06-24-2013, 05:56 PM
Umm... Shouldn't that be 4x4

And why should it be 4x4?

Thanker
06-24-2013, 06:08 PM
After the construction.

Thanks for the quick reply!

Lonestoner
06-24-2013, 06:22 PM
And why should it be 4x4?

So I can build two without having to expand? :D

The real cosmo
06-24-2013, 06:24 PM
And why should it be 4x4?

Well, because I've seen it in hoods already and it is 4x4 and not 8x8. What building has been bigger than 4x4?

I think I liked you guys better when you where silent.

Beardy
06-24-2013, 06:33 PM
Well, because I've seen it in hoods already and it is 4x4 and not 8x8. What building has been bigger than 4x4?

I think I liked you guys better when you where silent.

It's the same size as a Loft, Movie Theater, Office Building, Dockside Mill, etc. 8x8.

I don't know what else to tell you, sorry your getting upset I guess..

Lonestoner
06-24-2013, 06:34 PM
I think I liked you guys better when you where silent.

I know it's minor, but I just HAD to do it. :D

http://www.troll.me/images/cowboy-dos-equis/i-dont-always-spell-but-when-i-do-i-misspell.jpg

marlinfan
06-24-2013, 06:34 PM
Well, because I've seen it in hoods already and it is 4x4 and not 8x8. What building has been bigger than 4x4?

I think I liked you guys better when you where silent.

I'm not sure where you're getting 4x4 from, but it's definitely 8x8.

It's probably better if you stayed silent.

BigMoney
06-24-2013, 06:50 PM
Well, because I've seen it in hoods already and it is 4x4 and not 8x8. What building has been bigger than 4x4?

I think I liked you guys better when you where silent.

Pagodas and Toy Boxes are 4x4. Dockside Mills and Transtech Buildings are 8x8.

jeffrey25
06-24-2013, 07:07 PM
I like the way this building looks.

+1

building looks really good...

The real cosmo
06-24-2013, 08:08 PM
I'm not sure where you're getting 4x4 from, but it's definitely 8x8.

It's probably better if you stayed silent.

It's possible I'm misunderstanding the dynamic of this forum, but the complete blocks(for lack of a better term) are clearly laid out in repeating squares of 8 and 20 not 16 and 40. If we are counting half squares, then my mistake.

ShawnBB
06-24-2013, 08:21 PM
My thinking as well, but I do have a question. Should I spend 41m to upgrade my 2nd Pagoda to lvl 3? It's a 1m increase per day before bonuses & I get a 25 and 10 percent increase.

Oh ya, don't even think about this low quality expensive building if you still not having lvl3 NC and pagoda. That's just my opinion.
Or You can go broke for that 78m and feel glad for holding that lvl1 weapon as well.

After the dockside mill hurt, now I only play cheap building events(more weapons) or high quality building events(better IpH)
all I miss for sitting out this event is 3 weak weapons, but will get likely 1 or 2 more strong weapons in next event.

crazymac
06-24-2013, 08:24 PM
with the patern that is going on next LTB will be 100 million just to build it

BigMoney
06-24-2013, 08:27 PM
Oh ya, don't even think about this low quality expensive building if you still not having lvl3 NC and pagoda. That's just my opinion.
Or You can go broke for that 78m and feel glad for holding that lvl1 weapon as well.

After the dockside mill hurt, now I only play cheap building events(more weapons) or high quality building events(better IpH)
all I miss for sitting out this event is 3 weak weapons, but will get likely 1 or 2 more strong weapons in next event.

With all due respect, you're wrong:


The only reason to be upgrading NCs and Pagodas at this point is so that you can get farther in the LTBs than you currently can. You know, I actually figured it out for myself based on my own IPH/modifiers (see: http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?58005-Night-club-or-toy-box&p=820324&viewfull=1#post820324), but the short answer is that you're probably worse off by not doing the LTBs. Your IPH would be higher if you upgraded NCs/Pagodas, yes, but the items you're missing out on by not participating in the LTB are more valuable than the item(s) you can get in a future LTB by upgrading NCs/Pagodas now.


Especially if you have an IPH of $4mil like your sig claims, then it would be really dumb to sit out LTBs. You can actually use your IPH to calculate exactly how far you could get (or could have gotten) in each event. I used the DM prizes and upgrade costs as a baseline for determining if I should upgrade my NCs before this LTB, but you can actually go back and see if your decision to sit out, say, the DM event was the right decision. It probably wasn't.

Beardy
06-24-2013, 08:29 PM
It's possible I'm misunderstanding the dynamic of this forum, but the complete blocks(for lack of a better term) are clearly laid out in repeating squares of 8 and 20 not 16 and 40. If we are counting half squares, then my mistake.

Half squares?

How big would you say the footprint of the pagoda is then by your calculation?

The real cosmo
06-24-2013, 08:46 PM
Half squares?

How big would you say the footprint of the pagoda is then by your calculation?

I would say 2x2.

BigMoney
06-24-2013, 09:11 PM
I would say 2x2.

And a turret is 0.5 x 0.5? Now who has the weird notion of "half squares"?

APBT
06-24-2013, 09:12 PM
I would say 2x2.




You are the only one that would.

Beardy
06-24-2013, 09:23 PM
I would say 2x2.

Zoom in to the sidewalk/pavement, as far as you can.

Can you see the little squares?

The real cosmo
06-24-2013, 09:39 PM
Yes I can see the little squares, but the lay out is is still a matrix of repeating larger squares made up four smaller squares. The sidewalks in Boston are generally the same way.

STOOL SAMPLE
06-24-2013, 09:39 PM
dennis, whats type a building and whats type b?
Yes they are.

BigMoney
06-24-2013, 09:49 PM
dennis, whats type a building and whats type b?

http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?13183-Payout-algorithm-explained

bald zeemer
06-24-2013, 10:41 PM
Again, like the DM this is a very powerful building, and hanging out for more pagodas will leave your iph hurting in the long run.

ShawnBB
06-24-2013, 11:43 PM
Ty for saving me, big money. I know it is dumb for sitting out event with a 4m IpH, so what do u think is a starting point for joining a 78m event? If a player can save 15 to 20 days for it, should he go for it?

I'm just an OCD free player and trying to get my second NC to lvl7 too, I'm thinking about getting it between toy box and next event. But freaking Gree is starving and throw out another building already.
LoL, so it's actually OCD told me to sit out and go finish NC...

BigMoney
06-25-2013, 12:07 AM
Ty for saving me, big money. I know it is dumb for sitting out event with a 4m IpH, so what do u think is a starting point for joining a 78m event? If a player can save 15 to 20 days for it, should he go for it?

I'm just an OCD free player and trying to get my second NC to lvl7 too, I'm thinking about getting it between toy box and next event. But freaking Gree is starving and throw out another building already.
LoL, so it's actually OCD told me to sit out and go finish NC...

If you have a $4mil IPH, it would take less than a day to be able to purchase the Transtech building. I think the last time I looked at specific numbers, I think my personal starting point would be to wait until I had 2 level 2 NCs at the minimum (those buildings alone can get you at least one upgrade), and perhaps wait until I had 2 level 3 NCs if I was super patient (I'm not, I just "had" to have the limited-time buildings). Luckily I never had to worry about it as I already had Level 3+ NCs by the first event. I actually upgraded both of my Nightclubs at the end of the Toy Box event, because I was something like $300mil short of the next Toy Box upgrade with 4 days left (with a ~1.7mil IPH, and my rival's list was acting funny so I wasn't able to rob any good targets), and so I upgraded one of my NCs instead, and then upgraded the second during the syndicate war so that it would complete right as this event was starting. My reasoning there was that although I could have saved the money for the next LTB instead of two NC upgrades, I knew the next building was going to be expensive like the DM, and so the combined cost of the two NC upgrades would still be a fraction of my final [Transtech] upgrade (meaning it's possible I still wouldn't get the item even if I hadn't upgraded the NCs, but I figured that the boost in IPH from the upgraded NCs would help me by the time the next LTB after Transtech comes around).

tl;dr Last event when I knew I wasn't going to reach another LTB upgrade, I spent the money on upgrading my NCs instead, thinking more long term.

Edit: I just thought of the other major reason I decided to upgrade the NCs before the syndicate war: I was no-banking, and had an absurd amount of cash on hand (way too much to bank). I don't get hit very often at my level, but I most certainly could have been taken to the cleaners by some syndicates if I didn't. So I upgraded the two NCs, and banked the remaining $250mil or whatever it was.

jorgeMW
06-25-2013, 12:10 AM
Such a beautiful building, too much for my poor blood though.

Beardy
06-25-2013, 08:10 AM
Yes I can see the little squares, but the lay out is is still a matrix of repeating larger squares made up four smaller squares. The sidewalks in Boston are generally the same way.

Well them little squares are what matters. There are 8 of them to each side of the Transtech building (and a lot of other buildings too). Making it an 8x8 building.

Still not sure why you call them half squares...?

Chica
06-25-2013, 08:28 AM
Well them little squares are what matters. There are 8 of them to each side of the Transtech building (and a lot of other buildings too). Making it an 8x8 building.

Still not sure why you call them half squares...?
Drugs. When in doubt always blame the drugs.

Ben Weston
06-25-2013, 09:33 AM
Druuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugs

asterisks
06-25-2013, 09:41 AM
The only reason to be upgrading NCs and Pagodas at this point is so that you can get farther in the LTBs than you currently can. You know, I actually figured it out for myself based on my own IPH/modifiers (see: http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?58005-Night-club-or-toy-box&p=820324&viewfull=1#post820324), but the short answer is that you're probably worse off by not doing the LTBs. Your IPH would be higher if you upgraded NCs/Pagodas, yes, but the items you're missing out on by not participating in the LTB are more valuable than the item(s) you can get in a future LTB by upgrading NCs/Pagodas now.

Thanks for the above analysis. I've been bugged by this for quite sometimes. So the best option is to upgrade these LTB whenever possible and leave the remaining $ for NC upgrade?

BigMoney
06-25-2013, 10:01 AM
Thanks for the above analysis. I've been bugged by this for quite sometimes. So the best option is to upgrade these LTB whenever possible and leave the remaining $ for NC upgrade?

Pretty much yes, if you can afford the LTBs and upgrades, you should be upgrading those instead of NCs during events. It's more of a tricky question for people with super high IPHs (whose NCs and probably most other buildings are really high), who perhaps might want to sit out part of an LTB to save money so that they can get to level 10 on the next one. A syndicate member with $10mil IPH asked me this, so I'm going to look into it later today (I'm dead tired at the moment). I'll post what I conclude. Regardless of IPH, saving money for NCs is usually a longer term decision, so if your next NC upgrades are expensive, then upgrading one at any point might cost you in the next LTB (because not only are you sinking that upgrade cost, but it takes your NC out of commission for a while as it upgrades which really adds up) although having a higher IPH will obviously help you get farther in future events. The reason I finally upgraded my NCs was kind of a perfect storm-- I knew that the next LTB would be Dockside Mill-like expensive, so that my NC upgrade costs wouldn't be the difference between say level 4 and level 5 of the LTB, I was no-banking a large amount of money before the syndicate war, and really compared to all my other LTBs, the next NC upgrades looked downright cheap!

murf
06-25-2013, 10:06 AM
Pretty much yes, if you can afford the LTBs and upgrades, you should be upgrading those instead of NCs during events. It's more of a tricky question for people with super high IPHs (whose NCs and probably most other buildings are really high), who perhaps might want to sit out part of an LTB to save money so that they can get to level 10 on the next one. A syndicate member with $10mil IPH asked me this, so I'm going to look into it later today (I'm dead tired at the moment). I'll post what I determine.

Yeah, I'm trying to figure this out as well...I think I'm going to do up to L5, then go back and get my Pagodas to L8 if I have enough time (currently L4-L7)

BigMoney
06-25-2013, 10:26 AM
Yeah, I'm trying to figure this out as well...I think I'm going to do up to L5, then go back and get my Pagodas to L8 if I have enough time (currently L4-L7)

Well, I should probably look at specific numbers before commenting, but I think the Pagodas are an easier decision to upgrade because they're a bit cheaper and faster to upgrade. Just off the top of my head, a Level 5 Pagoda pays $5mil, level 6 pays $7.5mil, it probably takes ~3 days and ~$130mil to upgrade, and upgrading to L6 Pagoda is roughly as expensive as upgrading to L4 NC. So basically upgrading a Pagoda to L6 is costing you ~$145mil, which probably isn't the difference between making it to the next LTB level for you, so I'd probably do it. I would probably rank my upgrades like that-- opportunity cost + upgrade cost, and compare it to how short I usually am to the next LTB upgrade (e.g. I was $300mil short of my next Toy Box one, so anything that'll cost me more than $300mil definitely shouldn't be upgraded). The increase in IPH helps for later events, but not really all too significantly in the short term (especially when you compare it to the slightly smaller boost in IPH you would have gotten from upgrading an LTB instead). IMO L5-L6 NCs are when it starts to get too expensive to keep upgrading NCs as long as LTBs are going on. My NCs will probably be Level 5 for a long time.

Edit: probably worth mentioning that I have ~$2mil IPH. Something too expensive for me might not be too expensive for you.

murf
06-25-2013, 10:43 AM
Well, I should probably look at specific numbers before commenting, but I think the Pagodas are an easier decision to upgrade because they're a bit cheaper and faster to upgrade. Just off the top of my head, a Level 5 Pagoda pays $5mil, level 6 pays $7.5mil, it probably takes ~3 days and ~$130mil to upgrade, and upgrading to L6 Pagoda is roughly as expensive as upgrading to L4 NC. So basically upgrading a Pagoda to L6 is costing you ~$145mil, which probably isn't the difference between making it to the next LTB level for you, so I'd probably do it. I would probably rank my upgrades like that-- opportunity cost + upgrade cost, and compare it to how short I usually am to the next LTB upgrade (e.g. I was $300mil short of my next Toy Box one, so anything that'll cost me more than $300mil definitely shouldn't be upgraded). The increase in IPH helps for later events, but not really all too significantly in the short term (especially when you compare it to the slightly smaller boost in IPH you would have gotten from upgrading an LTB instead). IMO L5-L6 NCs are when it starts to get too expensive to keep upgrading NCs as long as LTBs are going on. My NCs will probably be Level 5 for a long time.

Edit: probably worth mentioning that I have ~$2mil IPH. Something too expensive for me might not be too expensive for you.

Yeah, I agree with the way you are looking at it...a lot of moving parts involved. I have a $8.4m IPH my NC are L7/L8, so I want to get my Pagodas even with my NCs. I could easily go for L6 (maybe even L7) in this event, when I look at the difference in cost between equivalent upgrades, the effective cost of the item starts to become too large for me. So, I think I'm stopping at L5.

Also, I have no cost modifiers, so it gets pretty expensive for me fast.

c00guy
06-25-2013, 10:56 AM
Well, I should probably look at specific numbers before commenting, but I think the Pagodas are an easier decision to upgrade because they're a bit cheaper and faster to upgrade. Just off the top of my head, a Level 5 Pagoda pays $5mil, level 6 pays $7.5mil, it probably takes ~3 days and ~$130mil to upgrade, and upgrading to L6 Pagoda is roughly as expensive as upgrading to L4 NC. So basically upgrading a Pagoda to L6 is costing you ~$145mil, which probably isn't the difference between making it to the next LTB level for you, so I'd probably do it. I would probably rank my upgrades like that-- opportunity cost + upgrade cost, and compare it to how short I usually am to the next LTB upgrade (e.g. I was $300mil short of my next Toy Box one, so anything that'll cost me more than $300mil definitely shouldn't be upgraded). The increase in IPH helps for later events, but not really all too significantly in the short term (especially when you compare it to the slightly smaller boost in IPH you would have gotten from upgrading an LTB instead). IMO L5-L6 NCs are when it starts to get too expensive to keep upgrading NCs as long as LTBs are going on. My NCs will probably be Level 5 for a long time.

Edit: probably worth mentioning that I have ~$2mil IPH. Something too expensive for me might not be too expensive for you.

I guess the same would apply for lower IPH players. I have 500K IPH and my strategy is to keep upgrading those NCs/Pagodas and just buy the cheap buildings or Type As and try & upgrade to level 3 of these LTBs. That plays out much better than bleading IPH every LTB event and just getting to level 1 all the time (at max level 2)

Nighteg
06-25-2013, 11:25 AM
So no one knows the payout?

mob
06-25-2013, 11:51 AM
One thing to keep in mind that the LTB's only offer the building for the duration of the event. I don't believe any of us have a crystal ball to predict if Gree will continue having these events. Should they scale back them having these high $$ producing buildings will be worthwhile having in your inventory - at any level!!! They may hinder IPH growth in the short term, but do leave larger economic gain later....

bald zeemer
06-25-2013, 03:11 PM
Exactly, mob.

We were kinda spoiled with Pagodas, which are easily the 2nd best building in the game and rank with or near NCs for upgrade worthiness. However, before LTBs everyone acknowledged the power of Casinos, and the DM and Transtech are both better than Casinos.

Limerick
06-25-2013, 03:25 PM
One thing to keep in mind that the LTB's only offer the building for the duration of the event. I don't believe any of us have a crystal ball to predict if Gree will continue having these events. Should they scale back them having these high $$ producing buildings will be worthwhile having in your inventory - at any level!!! They may hinder IPH growth in the short term, but do leave larger economic gain later....

Plus you get very valuable prizes with the builds and upgrades. If you don't like the LTBs for the long term, you can always sell them and use the money elsewhere (not that I would do that, but the prizes are worth that game $). For example, if you upgraded through Level 4 you would get prizes worth 2500 attack/defense.

Euchred
06-25-2013, 04:40 PM
So no one knows the payout?

The level 10 payout will be about 25,286,250 with the 25% bonus from syns. So a little more than the pagoda

cooch
06-25-2013, 04:45 PM
I'm out of this, will try to go heavy for the next cheap building event and get some lvl7 lvl8 prize.

You assume that there will be cheap building events...all have been going up in costs...and may all be type Bs from here on out...

cooch
06-25-2013, 04:48 PM
One thing to keep in mind that the LTB's only offer the building for the duration of the event. I don't believe any of us have a crystal ball to predict if Gree will continue having these events. Should they scale back them having these high $$ producing buildings will be worthwhile having in your inventory - at any level!!! They may hinder IPH growth in the short term, but do leave larger economic gain later....

Nice tip for those who haven't thought it thru yet. Of course Gree hopes you'll upgrade everything with gold when they bring on new syn bonuses.

cooch
06-25-2013, 04:54 PM
Thanks for post Beardy, you da man!

ShawnBB
06-25-2013, 04:57 PM
However, before LTBs everyone acknowledged the power of Casinos, and the DM and Transtech are both better than Casinos.

If not for the weapons, casino outclass DM and this one with no problem. Economically, these 2 are not very good buildings, its just the weapons worth more than the lost game money.

BigMoney
06-25-2013, 04:57 PM
You assume that there will be cheap building events...all have been going up in costs...and may all be type Bs from here on out...

Pagoda - cheap. Dockside Mills - expensive. Toy Box - cheap[er]. Transtech - expensive.

Looks to me like they alternate.

Euchred
06-25-2013, 04:59 PM
If not for the weapons, casino outclass DM and this one with no problem. Economically, these 2 are not very good buildings, its just the weapons worth more than the lost game money.

Are you going to build them at least? I'd argue that casinos aren't unlocked till level 180 :)

ShawnBB
06-25-2013, 05:19 PM
Are you going to build them at least? I'd argue that casinos aren't unlocked till level 180 :)

Sup, Econ boss. it is indeed stupid to sit out events. D:
Mine 2nd one is under construction...but i may just lvl it to 3 or 4, lvl5 hurt too much that I can bring NC to lvl7 and have almost 4 times of iph increase.

Euchred
06-25-2013, 05:22 PM
Sup, Econ boss.
Mine 2nd one is under construction...but i may just lvl it to 3 or 4, lvl5 hurt too much that I can bring NC to lvl7 and have almost 4 times of iph increase.

Just hitting up the forum due to boredom :)

My camper is going to level 5 with my 5 mill iph but it's an easy call with L8 NCs and L5 pagodas. These are tough on accounts with no mods lol

OffensivelyNamedGuy
06-25-2013, 07:04 PM
Being only Level 55 With L6 NCs, L7 Pagodas, L1+2 DMs, Level 4+6 Toy Boxes, these buildings are sadly my best option. Bring them to 2, then DM to 2, then prob do a useless loft upgrade while I save up for NC7. By that time hopefully we have a nice cheap LTB I can get cracking on.

murf
06-25-2013, 07:20 PM
If not for the weapons, casino outclass DM and this one with no problem. Economically, these 2 are not very good buildings, its just the weapons worth more than the lost game money.

Lets look at Transtech vs Hotels

Build/Upgrade Transtech through L5

Chain Cost: $1.395B
Payout: $4.9m
Upgrade/Build time: 180 Hrs
Weapons : 4958 / 3291

Build/Upgrade Hotel through L8

Chain Cost: $1.51B
Payout $5.3m
Upgrade Time: 633 Hrs
Weapons: 0/0

No one says not to buy hotels....and this crushing Hotels due to upgrade time and rewards

.....so, not as bad a building as everyone is saying IMO

ShawnBB
06-25-2013, 09:06 PM
Lets look at Transtech vs Hotels

Build/Upgrade Transtech through L5

Chain Cost: $1.395B
Payout: $4.9m
Upgrade/Build time: 180 Hrs
Weapons : 4958 / 3291

Build/Upgrade Hotel through L8

Chain Cost: $1.51B
Payout $5.3m
Upgrade Time: 633 Hrs
Weapons: 0/0

No one says not to buy hotels....and this crushing Hotels due to upgrade time and rewards

.....so, not as bad a building as everyone is saying IMO


Hey buddy, you are one of the Econ veterans back in 2012!
Hotel is not casino D:
casino 900000>631000, 60m<78m. The difference will snowball bigger and bigger. Which means it outclass the new building farther and farther...

Sharky Finn
06-25-2013, 09:15 PM
Pagoda - cheap. Dockside Mills - expensive. Toy Box - cheap[er]. Transtech - expensive.

Looks to me like they alternate.

Queue up the $3.50 LTB.

murf
06-25-2013, 10:18 PM
Hey buddy, you are one of the Econ veterans back in 2012!
Hotel is not casino D:
casino 900000>631000, 60m<78m. The difference will snowball bigger and bigger. Which means it outclass the new building farther and farther...

Hey Shawn.....I'm not saying it's a Casino and yes the difference will snowball...I'm just saying it's a solid late-game building. Not a top 3-4 building, but maybe a top10, which gives it good value, especially since you're getting some high-level items with the upgrades.

Protoss_General
06-25-2013, 11:42 PM
Are you going to build them at least? I'd argue that casinos aren't unlocked till level 180 :)

Casinos are unlocked at level 185 if I remembered correctly :o

ShawnBB
06-26-2013, 12:43 AM
Hey Shawn.....I'm not saying it's a Casino and yes the difference will snowball...I'm just saying it's a solid late-game building. Not a top 3-4 building, but maybe a top10, which gives it good value, especially since you're getting some high-level items with the upgrades.

Oh Oh, I thought u were quoting my casino vs tech... I love the time u were telling ppl the importance of NC lvl1 to lvl2 in almost every NC thread XD

Hotel and tech's initial cost is a bit far away, compare any building value at its low lvl could easily outclass lot of building at high lvl. Only typeA's lvl1 to lvl2 is the exception, the rest just follow the "higher weaker" rule, income raising percent more and more away from 166.666%.

Personally, I'm a stubborn guy and only compare buildings at same lvl to be fair.
I don't care the absolute output of a building, the only thing matters is its relative output according to cost,which is you know ROI. But raw ROI simply can't tell the quality of a building since its IpH advantage got mostly diluted by the higher cost. So I use IpH/ROI to decide the building quality and turned out working very well.

High IpH/ROI building should upgrade with priority, like NC and pagoda. Weaker IpH/ROI should stay at lower lvl and poor IpH/ROI should be at lvl1 or even out of the hood. Hotel and Hightech is the kind of guy who should stay at low lvl(at most 5) and save the money to the overlord(NC).
Just like a year ago, ppl were discussing whether to build upscale to lvl3, loft to lvl5 before saving the nightclub. Emcee told us to do hardcore saving which lot of ppl don't understand and would rather busy upgrading something not cheap to keep preparing for that 40m and 66m and fall behind on Econ growth now.

I have no idea why I posted these... Probably still being stubborn and defending my first post... I'll still leave hightech at low lvl despite the weapons, stats means nothing to me (gold spender still **** me,free player still cant beat me) since I will get lot of 1000+ stats event weapons anyway next year,but a more competitive IpH might work differently in the future.

KemoKidd
06-28-2013, 07:50 AM
Thanks for setting this thread up. Ill probably get mine to level 6 before this event ends.

OneHoop
06-29-2013, 12:11 PM
Any update on the official payouts? Has it happened before where they aren't direct multiples of the modified Fibonacci sequence?

M@

PS You can only build 2 Casinos.

daware
06-29-2013, 10:36 PM
Upgrade Cost and Time and Payout:

Lv ----- Cost ------- Time --- Payout
1 ------ $78,000,000 ------- 24hr ----- $613,000
2 ------ $130,260,000 ------ 30hr ----- $1,264,312
3 ------ $216,839,999 ------ 36hr ----- $2,212,547
4 ------ $362,700,000 ------ 42hr ----- $3,371,500
5 ------ $606,060,000 ------ 48hr ----- $4,904,000
6 ------ $1,012,440,000 ---- 54hr ----- $6,743,000
7 ------ $1,691,820,000 ---- 60hr ----- $8,888,500
8 ------ $2,825,160,000 ---- 66hr ----- $11,340,500
9 ------ $4,718,220,000 ---- 72hr ----- $14,099,000
10 ----- $7,879,560,000 ---- 78hr ----- $18,390,000

Are all the numbers right? I want to put this building in the hood planner.

nopenopenope
06-29-2013, 10:46 PM
Are all the numbers right? I want to put this building in the hood planner.

Not since our new toy arrived :cool::cool:



#smug

daware
06-29-2013, 11:01 PM
Not since our new toy arrived :cool::cool:



#smug

Very true. :D
All I need are the base numbers.

cclover
06-30-2013, 02:54 AM
why it is so expensive?.

bald zeemer
06-30-2013, 03:40 AM
Because it's a very high payout building.

c00guy
06-30-2013, 12:21 PM
Doesn't make sense for me to buy this building at all. NC upgrade to level 3 costs $78 mil (after the new Coupe toy) and that's an IPH gain of 120k (after bonuses). This building has an IPH of 35k. Should I lose 85k for the cost of a 300 stats weapon? Absolutely not! So, I'll just wait for the next LTB and hope it's a cheaper one (hopefully type A). And I'd imagine lots of other players would be at the same decision point

montana
06-30-2013, 04:10 PM
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/4421/glv1.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/14/glv1.png/)


Name: Transtech Building
Size: 8 x 8
Money Cost: $78,000,000
Payout: 24 Hours
Type: B
Unlock Level: 20
Event Length: 20 days
Start Date: 24/06/2013
End Date: 15/07/2013

Upgrade Cost and Time and Payout:

Lv ----- Cost ------- Time --- Payout
1 ------ $78,000,000 ------- 24hr ----- $613,000
2 ------ $130,260,000 ------ 30hr ----- $1,264,312
3 ------ $216,839,999 ------ 36hr ----- $2,212,547
4 ------ $362,700,000 ------ 42hr ----- $3,371,500
5 ------ $606,060,000 ------ 48hr ----- $4,904,000
6 ------ $1,012,440,000 ---- 54hr ----- $6,743,000
7 ------ $1,691,820,000 ---- 60hr ----- $8,888,500
8 ------ $2,825,160,000 ---- 66hr ----- $11,340,500
9 ------ $4,718,220,000 ---- 72hr ----- $14,099,000
10 ----- $7,879,560,000 ---- 78hr ----- $18,390,000

There may be some error's in the above calculations. But I will correct these as soon as I know more.

See post below for prizes.

Where are you getting your upgrade cost from. You originally had upgrade cost for lvl 3 at $215,000,000,
Then you changed it to $216,839,999. My upgrade cost is higher than either of those figures.
My upgrade cost for the Toy Box Event was also higher than the listed amounts.
Should there be more than 1 upgrade cost per level.

Euchred
07-03-2013, 09:51 PM
Bump from 5 pages back

Chica
07-03-2013, 09:57 PM
How do you people generally choose to plan your hood?

ShawnBB
07-04-2013, 12:39 AM
Doesn't make sense for me to buy this building at all. NC upgrade to level 3 costs $78 mil (after the new Coupe toy) and that's an IPH gain of 120k (after bonuses). This building has an IPH of 35k. Should I lose 85k for the cost of a 300 stats weapon? Absolutely not! So, I'll just wait for the next LTB and hope it's a cheaper one (hopefully type A). And I'd imagine lots of other players would be at the same decision point


That's right, how far you should go depend on your maturity of nightclub.
I stopped my hightech at lvl3, and bye bye to this event.
The lvl4 upgrade can almost upgrade my nightclub, IpH lost would be very critical.
After Gree screwed up events, stats inflation is out of line now. Who cares about the poor little weapon.

crazymac
07-04-2013, 01:00 AM
to buy or not to buy. each side has it upside and there downside.
lets start with upside- higher overall iph in the long run buying 1 or 2 trans building in long run means you have a higher iph cap then someone not buying 1
downside - less iph now and possible being to broke to buy next ltb

BigMoney
07-04-2013, 02:16 AM
Doesn't make sense for me to buy this building at all. NC upgrade to level 3 costs $78 mil (after the new Coupe toy) and that's an IPH gain of 120k (after bonuses). This building has an IPH of 35k. Should I lose 85k for the cost of a 300 stats weapon? Absolutely not! So, I'll just wait for the next LTB and hope it's a cheaper one (hopefully type A). And I'd imagine lots of other players would be at the same decision point

Just because the NC results in a higher IPH doesn't mean this is the correct move (on the assumption you are trying to maximize your stats). Halfway through the Toy Box event, I realized my level 3 NCs would be level 7 (and they'd be even higher now) and my IPH would be about $1mil higher if I had thrown all my LTB upgrades into NC upgrades (like I would have if LTBs never existed), but my stats would not have been as good had I participated in every LTB. The whole point in building up your IPH is to improve your stats-- used to be through buying weapons, now it's through LTBs. The last time I figured this out, you need ~$1mil IPH before you can put your NCs on hold for the LTBs: http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?58005-Night-club-or-toy-box&p=820324&viewfull=1#post820324

That said, having both your NCs to level 3 for the LTBs is probably a good move, IMO. It's after that point where it's a lot more murky whether NCs are worth upgrading. And for the record, all of my successive LTB upgrades are much, much more expensive than my (level 4) NC upgrades. Eventually it will be worth my while to upgrade NCs again (when the amount it costs to upgrade them both will not make a difference in my successive LTB upgrades, e.g. the next time I will have at least $400 million on hand and will still be impossibly short of another LTB upgrade on the "cheaper" LTB (operating on the assumption that they alternate-- Pagoda cheap, DM expensive, Toy Box cheap(er), Transtech (more) expensive-- so I think the next LTB will be cheaper than a Dockside Mill, but more expensive than a Toy Box).

As an aside, the advice is slightly different if your IPH is able to take you to level 9 of an LTB but not 10, and you have a large upgrade cost modifier (at least 51% off). Then it might be worth it to level up your NCs-- you will cost yourself a level 8-9 LTB item in exchange for a level 10 LTB item, which usually has significantly better stats to make up for it. This is based on when I looked at someone with a $10mil+ IPH, two level 9 NCs, and 51% off upgrade costs.

ShawnBB
07-04-2013, 02:55 AM
Hey big money, the whole point of improving stats is to def ur awesome hood and beat up other awesome hood...

If I give you an account with 10m/10m stats and no money building, do you still like your awesome stats?
You stay in this game for months because you want to build a hood!

Like I said, gold player doesn't need LTB's stats to kick ur ass, weak player can't afford what you can afford.
The only exception is a high income weak stats player(90% are called campers which you will never meet) is catching up ur stats but falling behind ur IpH.

Getting those weapons won't make you safe,and not upgrade the building to high lvl won't make you behind. The stats inflation speed come from rest of the events make LTB's stats boost almost irrelevant for medium iph players

BigMoney
07-04-2013, 03:04 AM
Hey big money, the whole point of improving stats is to def ur awesome hood and beat up other awesome hood...

If I give you an account with 10m/10m stats and no money building, do you still like your awesome stats?


Yes.

#characters

ShawnBB
07-04-2013, 03:18 AM
Yes.

#characters

Well then, enjoy hitting the Attack button buddy.

c00guy
07-04-2013, 05:30 AM
That said, having both your NCs to level 3 for the LTBs is probably a good move, IMO. It's after that point where it's a lot more murky whether NCs are worth upgrading.


Eventually it will be worth my while to upgrade NCs again (when the amount it costs to upgrade them both will not make a difference in my successive LTB upgrades, e.g. the next time I will have at least $400 million on hand and will still be impossibly short of another LTB upgrade on the "cheaper" LTB (operating on the assumption that they alternate-- Pagoda cheap, DM expensive, Toy Box cheap(er), Transtech (more) expensive-- so I think the next LTB will be cheaper than a Dockside Mill, but more expensive than a Toy Box).

^^ Those are the reasons why NC L3 upgrade makes more sense. I mean think about it, I could probably go to L2 of this LTB event or stay out of this one, increase my IPH and target L4 of the next (hopefully cheaper) event. That would result in both higher IPH AND higher stats!

Chica
07-04-2013, 06:07 AM
Level 2 NC or go to level 3 on my level 2 or ltb.

c00guy
07-04-2013, 06:13 AM
Level 2 NC or go to level 3 on my level 2 or ltb.
I'd say L2 > L3 > LTB

bald zeemer
07-04-2013, 06:13 AM
Hey big money, the whole point of improving stats is to def ur awesome hood and beat up other awesome hood...

If I give you an account with 10m/10m stats and no money building, do you still like your awesome stats?
You stay in this game for months because you want to build a hood!

Like I said, gold player doesn't need LTB's stats to kick ur ass, weak player can't afford what you can afford.
The only exception is a high income weak stats player(90% are called campers which you will never meet) is catching up ur stats but falling behind ur IpH.

Getting those weapons won't make you safe,and not upgrade the building to high lvl won't make you behind. The stats inflation speed come from rest of the events make LTB's stats boost almost irrelevant for medium iph players

Well, your example is extreme, but if the option were, say 2m or 3m stats it might be another matter. There's a reason why the "big" players who expounded 0 iph are now falling a long, long way behind.

Yes, a gold player doesn't need LTBs to beat a free player. But most gold players aren't just boosting w/l figures against free players, they are our hunting other big players, and if you aren't in LTB, then you aren't in.

With LTQ prizes falling back from the first couple of events, that procession of multi-k stat weapons from lvl 6ish up looks very, very appealing. Apart from annihilating a boss (if your inventory makeup allows) then LTBs are by far the biggest stat earners of the current events.

Chica
07-04-2013, 06:24 AM
Thanks, I've been making it a point to robbing people more so money has been rolling in.

ShawnBB
07-04-2013, 01:27 PM
Well, your example is extreme, but if the option were, say 2m or 3m stats it might be another matter. There's a reason why the "big" players who expounded 0 iph are now falling a long, long way behind.

Yes, a gold player doesn't need LTBs to beat a free player. But most gold players aren't just boosting w/l figures against free players, they are our hunting other big players, and if you aren't in LTB, then you aren't in.

With LTQ prizes falling back from the first couple of events, that procession of multi-k stat weapons from lvl 6ish up looks very, very appealing. Apart from annihilating a boss (if your inventory makeup allows) then LTBs are by far the biggest stat earners of the current events.

Thanks for the insight, I am too extreme I know D: Everybody set their game goal differently depend on their bank account.
My play style is pure Hood building tbh... The only reason I participate events is because I have to catch up with stats to prevent some random average player visit and grab without losing a fight, or there could be something like the -30% cost coupe.

As a free player I know I will never be at the top 1000 of a stats list, so my only option is to work my iph up to top 1000 and hopefully there will be another Iph event like last year did.
Player who has IpH close to me basically steamroll my stats. Sadly, I'm one of those poor little cash cows who hides under 350 mafia and handover my wallet to bullies.
I dont need to hurt econ to catch up stats because my stats is not even close to be catchable..

BigMoney
07-04-2013, 01:33 PM
Thanks for the insight, I am too extreme I know D: Everybody set their game goal differently depend on their bank account.
My play style is pure Hood building tbh... The only reason I participate events is because I have to catch up with stats to prevent some random average player visit and grab without losing a fight, or there could be something like the -30% cost coupe.

As a free player I know I will never be at the top 1000 of a stats list, so my only option is to work my iph up to top 1000 and hopefully there will be another Iph event like last year did.
Player who has IpH close to me basically steamroll my stats. Sadly, I'm one of those poor little cash cows who hides under 350 mafia and handover my wallet to bullies.
I dont need to hurt econ to catch up stats because my stats is not even close to be catchable..

I hope there isn't an IPH event until they ban all the time-travelers. The number of blatant time-travelers is ridiculous. It seems like there should be an easy way to check if someone time-traveled, e.g. "If player's total building upgrade time > 8 years AND player's gold spent on upgrades < 750,000, then ban."

But nope, those players are still wild and free, with every single building in their hood (and hundreds of defense buildings) all at level 10. Couldn't possibly cheat any more blatantly.

Euchred
07-07-2013, 08:20 AM
All done, free of charge. Thanks for the 10 items and 1 mill+ IPH boost

http://i.imgur.com/65wUosdl.jpg

bald zeemer
07-07-2013, 08:23 AM
Nice work, Euchred.
:)

Euchred
07-07-2013, 08:28 AM
Nice work, Euchred.
:)

Thanks bro, had to have some big money (pun intended) in my savings and a little coupe help to pull this one off.

Electrify
07-07-2013, 12:37 PM
Anyone know the prices with exec coupe?

BigMoney
07-07-2013, 12:38 PM
Anyone know the prices with exec coupe?

Take any of the stated upgrade costs and multiply it by 0.7.

ShawnBB
07-08-2013, 03:23 AM
All done, free of charge. Thanks for the 10 items and 1 mill+ IPH boost

http://i.imgur.com/65wUosdl.jpg

Not many human beings on earth can make it!
Good job bro, i left mine at lvl3.... But lvl7 NC is on the way, warming up for the next cheaper building event.

Chica
07-08-2013, 05:33 AM
So do I finally get this or lvl3 my NC and pagodas. And which one first. I also have the exec coupe of course and -25 upgrade time. If I go this route I'll only probably manage one unless I find some good people to rob blind.

bald zeemer
07-08-2013, 06:22 AM
NC, then pagoda. Don't bother going for 3 on this.

Chica
07-08-2013, 07:01 AM
Sorry for not making myself clear I don't have this building at all :-P

HOFB
07-08-2013, 07:05 AM
Thanks for details :)

crazymac
07-08-2013, 03:04 PM
cost of each is about the same differnce is payout night club 3 will pay roughly 1.2 mil every 6 hours increase of roughly 600k every 6 hours compare to roughly 700k every 24 hours . only downside to it is this building will be gone in 7 days

rbc2244
07-10-2013, 06:41 PM
Left my first transtech at level 2. Should I build/ or are you building the 2nd one to upgrade later? Level 92, 1.75m IPH. Sitting on 190mil in the bank.

ShawnBB
07-10-2013, 09:49 PM
Left my first transtech at level 2. Should I build/ or are you building the 2nd one to upgrade later? Level 92, 1.75m IPH. Sitting on 190mil in the bank.

Sure build it. You will never have that again in your life.
But after that don't touch them and go back to NC+pagoda.