Arena points

[Raistmar]

Just want to get the opinions of other players above 100 about the new point system in the arena.

Edit: I know that this is being discussed in the arena event thread buy I just feel that it should have its own.

Edit 2: just to clarify, I'm talking about lvl 100+ players can no longer get more than 15 points per fight. This has obviously crippled how well we can compete in the arena.

[Miyabi]

Hi,
I feel it should not base on the level.
But should base on the ranking of the tourny/ winning streaks.
If u beat someone higher rank u get slightly more points, or the amount of winning streak the person have etc.

[Slevinn]

System is a joke, no arena for me

[Miyabi]

Seems like they want high lvl players n veterans to force them into buying more gems for arena energy...
No more love for the players that play long time n level100+.. They squeezing old players dry then giving sweets to new players, then to squeeze them again later... Sigh...

[Raistmar]

I feel like they came up with a quick fix and did not really think it through.

There was chatter about those that went above level 100 being at a disadvantage from the arena. If you looked at it, looked like the problem was solved but they did not think about the consequences it might bring. Or they really just intended arena to be more of a gem spending paradise.

[Matty-cakes]

It's lame. Now free players level 100+ will have to work 3x as hard as free players level 99- to keep up. What's the sense in that?

Other than, of course, BUY GEMS BUY GEMS BUY GEMS.

No thanks.

[Bryanv2]

Yes! I wanted to make a thread about this. I am rank 17000 in the current tournament since I havent really played it, but I can only fight against lpayers ranked 1000. That is so stupid. Youre supposed to start from the bottom and climb up like with every single game/league/play. I can barely beat anyone and I'm this low of a rank while still being level 55 lmao

[Raistmar]

Yes! I wanted to make a thread about this. I am rank 17000 in the current tournament since I havent really played it, but I can only fight against lpayers ranked 1000. That is so stupid. Youre supposed to start from the bottom and climb up like with every single game/league/play. I can barely beat anyone and I'm this low of a rank while still being level 55 lmao

If you focus on the big 4 you can easily get in the top 1000. You can even compete and make it to ribbon 1.

Don't waste gold on crafting boss armor that you can't craft a +version. Avoid fusing and chase for end game armor let t come naturally.

On topic, I would really like to get an input from the wise one why they decided to do it this way. Instead of rewarding players for going above a 100, they penalized us.

[JonS52]

Perhaps they've changed back, I just won and got the shut down bonus.

[Bryanv2]

If you focus on the big 4 you can easily get in the top 1000. You can even compete and make it to ribbon 1.



Yea I know, though that wasn't the point I was trying to make. I feel if you're starting at the bottom rank , you should first go through all the players that are bottom ranked/leveled and work your way up to whatever your skill cap is.

Yea im currently maxing AA+ and boilerplate. Ive wasted a lot of money and resources on other non + epic boss armors that I'm not really using so I could have been done a long time ago xD at least I got a boiler out of it.

Edit: Wait, It seems to be a bit back to normal so I might have just been talking non sense lol. Maybe its cause I was rank 400 last night it still saved that lmao. Ignore me >>

[Raistmar]

Perhaps they've changed back, I just won and got the shut down bonus.

This is more directed to lvl 100+, the rest of the system is fine. The only difference now is that they removed the ability for lvl 100+ players to get more than 15 points per fight(the basic point you get before doublin down calculations comes in)



Yea I know, though that wasn't the point I was trying to make. I feel if you're starting at the bottom rank , you should first go through all the players that are bottom ranked/leveled and work your way up to whatever your skill cap is.

Yea im currently maxing AA+ and boilerplate. Ive wasted a lot of money and resources on other non + epic boss armors that I'm not really using so I could have been done a long time ago xD at least I got a boiler out of it.

Edit: Wait, It seems to be a bit back to normal so I might have just been talking non sense lol. Maybe its cause I was rank 400 last night it still saved that lmao. Ignore me >>

You do start at the bottom, the system takes into consideration how well you are doing in that rank. If you are on a big winning streak you will notice that you will be fighting people that have much higher ranking than you, where it feels like you are better suited as you can easily beat players within your rank. Same thing applies when you are fighting people within your rank but you keep losing. You'd realise that after awhile even though your rank won't drop you will be fighting people with lower rank than you.

[JonS52]

This is more directed to lvl 100+, the rest of the system is fine. The only difference now is that they removed the ability for lvl 100+ players to get more than 15 points per fight(the basic point you get before doublin down calculations comes in)

I'm currently level 153...

[Raistmar]

I'm currently level 153...


Oh ok, but the problem is not with shut down bonuses. It's the fact that we can't get more 15 points now. Aren't you bothered with that?

[JonS52]

OK, I don't understand. AFAIK I've never been able to get more than 15 points for a victory unless I either doubled down or gotten a shut down bonus. Please explain.

Maybe I haven't been paying attention...

[Raistmar]

OK, I don't understand. AFAIK I've never been able to get more than 15 points for a victory unless I either doubled down or gotten a shut down bonus. Please explain.

Previously players that are 10 levels above you will give you 45 points, and as long as you fight someone higher than you, you will get extra points most you can have is 45.

Most likely you haven't come arcross a lot of players above your level that you didn't notice this change.

[JonS52]

Ahhh, tks. And yes taking it away sux.

More likely that I just wasn't paying attention.

I assume that when you say 10 levels you're talking about someone that would be level 163 compared to my level 153. If so, no wonder I've not noticed, don't think I've ever beaten someone 10 levels above me. I'm lucky to beat someone 10 levels below me (poor armor choices). Didn't find this forum until I'd been playing for 5 months...

[indestructigal]

I am rank 17000 in the current tournament since I havent really played it, but I can only fight against lpayers ranked 1000. That is so stupid. Youre supposed to start from the bottom and climb up like with every single game/league/play.
Exit the game, kill the active app, and restart it.

I don't know if it is a bug, but if I leave the game running and come back, the Arena seems to not update the rank of players I am fighting.

Let me give an example ... I will be rank 5000 and then get busy with other things for a long while (work, life, etc.). When I come back, my rank is 6000 (my points are the same, but other players passed me by while I was inactive). Yet my fight roster will still contain rank 5000 opponents. If I kill the active app and come back, my opponent roster resets and I get rank 6000 opponents.

The effect is really pronounced at the start of a new match where you seem to retain your ranking from the prior match.

[Musketeer]

Previously players that are 10 levels above you will give you 45 points, and as long as you fight someone higher than you, you will get extra points most you can have is 45.

Most likely you haven't come arcross a lot of players above your level that you didn't notice this change.

How do you know someone is 10 level higher than you until you've beaten them? It doesn't tell me anywhere that I've noticed what level someone is before I fight them, just their name and title. Since both can be changed at any time with no cost or penalty, even this information is less than 100% useful in choosing your opponent.

I would imagine that when you're level 100+ you're winning a higher proportion of your fights than someone who is level 50. Is that not so? If it is so, the extra points for beating tougher opponents who ought to have beaten you is just a leveller to give the lower levels a chance to even the score, so to speak.

I don't know how many active players we have, but I've been in the top 1500 for every competition without maximising my effort, and somehow got a bronze medal in my second ever tournament. Just reached level 93 today.

[helpermonkey]

Previously players that are 10 levels above you will give you 45 points, and as long as you fight someone higher than you, you will get extra points most you can have is 45.

Most likely you haven't come arcross a lot of players above your level that you didn't notice this change.

I just got 48 points with no shutdown bonus. Has happened more than once.

LVL 90 currently and do not know level of opponents.

[Sir.]

I just got 48 points with no shutdown bonus. Has happened more than once.

LVL 90 currently and do not know level of opponents.

Has to be either revenge or double down.

[hhm]

All you need to do is remember their rank placement. then u can check it in the tournament ranking list for their profile. Simple. This started 2 updates ago.


How do you know someone is 10 level higher than you until you've beaten them? It doesn't tell me anywhere that I've noticed what level someone is before I fight them, just their name and title. Since both can be changed at any time with no cost or penalty, even this information is less than 100% useful in choosing your opponent.

I would imagine that when you're level 100+ you're winning a higher proportion of your fights than someone who is level 50. Is that not so? If it is so, the extra points for beating tougher opponents who ought to have beaten you is just a leveller to give the lower levels a chance to even the score, so to speak.

I don't know how many active players we have, but I've been in the top 1500 for every competition without maximising my effort, and somehow got a bronze medal in my second ever tournament. Just reached level 93 today.

[Raistmar]

How do you know someone is 10 level higher than you until you've beaten them? It doesn't tell me anywhere that I've noticed what level someone is before I fight them, just their name and title. Since both can be changed at any time with no cost or penalty, even this information is less than 100% useful in choosing your opponent.

I would imagine that when you're level 100+ you're winning a higher proportion of your fights than someone who is level 50. Is that not so? If it is so, the extra points for beating tougher opponents who ought to have beaten you is just a leveller to give the lower levels a chance to even the score, so to speak.

I don't know how many active players we have, but I've been in the top 1500 for every competition without maximising my effort, and somehow got a bronze medal in my second ever tournament. Just reached level 93 today.

That's where planning comes to work, before level was shown in the profile I used to take down names that gives extra points that was usually within my rank. If you went in the arena methodically you an easily get to bronze even with just the big 4, learn how the system work and make it work for you.

[Bryanv2]

@ indestructigal: Good tip! I'll think of that next time.

I was about to reply to hhm about searching up your opponent taking a long time since I usually fight against players 100 ranks up or down from me, but of course I can apply the app restarting thing in this situation for more accurate/closer people :D

[Lcharlie]

The new nerfed system is to get players to spend gems obviously. Interestingly it hasn't worked out this week for gree. I have really scaled down playing this week after getting gold medal last week and yet I am still in the top 20 despite playing much less. This tells me other experienced players have also scaled down or stopped playing the arena. The top 10 will all end up with gem spenders or smart level 90+ players.

[Musketeer]

All you need to do is remember their rank placement. then u can check it in the tournament ranking list for their profile. Simple. This started 2 updates ago.


That's where planning comes to work, before level was shown in the profile I used to take down names that gives extra points that was usually within my rank. If you went in the arena methodically you an easily get to bronze even with just the big 4, learn how the system work and make it work for you.

It's like shooting fish in a barrel now. Searching can take a while, so sometimes I can't be bothered. Also the difference in reward between top 250 and top 500 doesn't make me want to spend the extra time to get every possible double down in this tournament.

If I'd started at the beginning of the tournament I might be looking at a medal, but I'm happy with top 500.

[Kusa]

Oh ya let's go back to people having over 300k for 1st place and no one being near them.
I think it would be better to of limited double down to so many a day instead of what they did.

If you can't get bronze medal arena is a waste of time I don't want a bunch of stupid pointless ribbons that look the same in my profile.



Every single prize for ribbens I can go get in 5 mins including the gems.

Sorry guys not trying to anger anyone my hate for arena started a long time ago and will never buy gems for it.

[Raistmar]

Oh ya let's go back to people having over 300k for 1st place and no one being near them.
I think it would be better to of limited double down to so many a day instead of what they did.

If you can't get bronze medal arena is a waste of time I don't want a bunch of stupid pointless ribbons that look the same in my profile.



Every single prize for ribbens I can go get in 5 mins including the gems.

Sorry guys not trying to anger anyone my hate for arena started a long time ago and will never buy gems for it.

Then they should just have everyone get 15 points. Not remove it only for level 100 and up.

[Kusa]

I guess I came off wrong I am not saying what they did was right sorry about that.

[King Mark]

Gree must have its reasons for doing so ... as stupid as it might sound for some players & fair for others. Let's wait and see how things continually unfold in K&D.

[quantumace]

When I am ranked around 150, my opponent list usually has 3 top 10 player, and the rest 35th or higher. With 15 points per attack regardless of rank or level, I don't have any realistic chance of catching any of the players I have to fight. So I have to keep beating top 35 players, just to maintain my rank around 150. That just seems stupid, and kills any motivation I have.

I really think the number of points should be based on the rank of the players you beat, but that would make it a real drudge once you were in the top 5. I know there is no perfect solution, but the current method just seems lame.

[Sir.]

Gree must have its reasons for doing so ... as stupid as it might sound for some players & fair for others. Let's wait and see how things continually unfold in K&D.

If they do have a proper reasoning for a seemingly stupid update, it would be well wise to inform us about that reasoning then. As long as they don't do that, I go by what I see and to me it seems rather stupid.

[Eunuchorn]

Points should be based off enemy rank.
GG

Also, bonus points for ending a battle w/ SA. Make Revenge worth more. Add tiered bonus for how high someone's win streak is. All these would balance arena immensely