I opened 55 DPC just now

[hyperziz]

3727
3726
3728
3729
3730

Such a BS low percentage drop rate, all BS 2&1 stars in 55 chests, thats 1000gems Gree, such a ripoff

[deathexe]

I don't see how that's ripoff. You should know about the low percentages of getting good armors, and it was never mentioned anywhere that you'll be gauranteed a 3 or 4 star. Anyways it's not as if you didn't get anything from the chest. You managed to get nemesis for the boss and armors that can be used as enhancement materials.

[hyperziz]

I don't see how that's ripoff. You should know about the low percentages of getting good armors, and it was never mentioned anywhere that you'll be gauranteed a 3 or 4 star. Anyways it's not as if you didn't get anything from the chest. You managed to get nemesis for the boss and armors that can be used as enhancement materials.

Stop defending Gree you cheap azz not spend a cent in game, 800 gems cost $106, this is 1000 gems, so 106 x 1.25 = $132.5

$132.50 for some upgrade materials?

I have better chance at real life lottery with $132.50

I'm not saying this is expensive, talking about game balnace.... how is this balanced when the odds are lower than real life lottery.

I dont care about the gems I've used, just freaking increase the odds, you know how long it takes to empty these 55 junks from my armor inventory...

[deathexe]

Stop defending Gree you cheap azz not spend a cent in game, 800 gems cost $106, this is 1000 gems, so 106 x 1.25 = $132.5

$132.50 for some upgrade materials?

I have better chance at real life lottery with $132.50

I don't see what insulting me has to do with anything. You chose to spend the money, and you got these results. It wasn't as if you were forced into doing so right?

I'm just trying to tell you that buying dpcs come at a risk of getting less than ideal armors, and it should be something that you should expect to see when you open them.

[Necrobrood]

I have better chance at real life lottery with $132.50





oh so you win the top millions prize on the lottery... thought not

[hyperziz]

oh so you win the top millions prize on the lottery... thought not

Winning 3.5 numbers in a 6 number lottery, $132 has significantly higher odds than getting 55 junks,

ANYWAY, since you all feel this low drop rate is ok, bcuz you guys never use DPCs, this low percentage is irrelevant to you.
Your contribution to this discussion is meaningless.

[deathexe]

Winning 3.5 numbers in a 6 number lottery, $132 has significantly higher odds than getting 55 junks,

ANYWAY, since you all feel this low drop rate is ok, bcuz you guys never use DPCs, your contribution to this discussion is meaningless.

I have in fact opened DPCs before, and I have also gotten less than ideal armors. So I know what it feels like. I expected to get bad armors along the way though, but you don't see me calling the DPCs a ripoff.

[hyperziz]

I don't see what insulting me has to do with anything.

Its quiet clear, whether this is about DPC or not, what ever people post on forum, you will just object and argue against for the fun of it.

[deathexe]

Its quiet clear, whether this is about DPC or not, what ever people post on forum, you will just object and argue against for the fun of it.

Wait, so have I said anything that isn't true? All I did was clarify that the DPC should not be branded a ripoff.

[hyperziz]

I opened another 55, got this
3731
but since this is a non+, again, useless junk, now i have 110 junks to get rid off

[Necrobrood]

Winning 3.5 numbers in a 6 number lottery, $132 has significantly higher odds than getting 55 junks,

ANYWAY, since you all feel this low drop rate is ok, bcuz you guys never use DPCs, this low percentage is irrelevant to you.
Your contribution to this discussion is meaningless.

winning millions doesnt include 3.5 numbers... come on i want a better answer

[hyperziz]

Another 55, so out of 165 chest, 1 4star(not even a plus), the rest all 1&2 stars

[Genocide788]

I opened another 55, got this
3731
but since this is a non+, again, useless junk, now i have 110 junks to get rid off

You deserve nothing less than flames. You rant about the low drop rates and then go ahead and open more after the rant? Shooting yourself in the foot aren't you. And yes i open DPCs every other week I haven't gotten anything to be proud of but i don't complain either. You chose to open it, it says Rare and above. You do understand that right?
There are people who buy the lottery everyday of their lives but don't win anything and yet they don't complain beucase they chose to spend the money and they knew there is no gurantee in winning.
The odds for DPC are just fine. If everyone who pops a DPC open gets real good stuff out of it whats the point of free players even playing anymore.
You don't like the odds? Don't open one anymore. Problem solved.

[Justice711]

u r a funny guy & not the first to complain about Gree's DPC. If u cannot take the results, don't spend money on gems & come make a din in the forum.

people open thousands of boxes 'through unethical means' ( finally got banned ) to get good armor. not just one or two hundred dollars if u r curious about the drop rates.

don't go bashing another forum member who is giving u good advise on how to change your situation into your advantage.

u r just making a fool of yourself and nothing changes.

[hyperziz]

Yes open 1 chest and say "I opened DPCs before", its quiet clear those who replied in this thread opened less than 10DPCs and goes on about drop rate is fine...:D

In fact my issue is, because the drop rate is low, I need to keep open chest and I have a frekaing issue dealing with the junks in my inventory, armor is capped at max 50, there is no easy way to delete excess armor and its just too time consuming, LOL

If drop rate was higher, I wouldn't have so many junks in my inventory, then I dont need to keep combining armors to delete them,
I want a 100gem chest, lol

[deathexe]

I opened another 55, got this
3731
but since this is a non+, again, useless junk, now i have 110 junks to get rid off


Yes open 1 chest and say "I opened DPCs before", its quiet clear those who replied in this thread opened less than 10DPCs and goes on about drop rate is fine...:D

Let me try to explain. The whole point of making the drop rate low is so as to prevent everyone who spends gems from getting the super powered armors. We're not fine with the drop rate because we think it's high, We understand that there's a low drop rate and we're fine with it because it is needed so as to moderate the number of players with armors like aegis+ and bkal. It wouldn't be very fair to the free players otherwise.

Also, I don't understand how you came to the conclusion that we've only 'open Less than 10 chest' that is far from the truth.

[Raistmar]

Hahahahaha.

Bet that's how gree is feeling now. I love idiots like this.

[Miyabi]

The droprate i agree its low, but 165chest is nothing much, ppl who hack and have lots of aegis and black K+ have open unlimited DPC to get about 3~7 black K/Aegis.
Your 165 is really not much if u ask me. Ask around the hackers or the hacker's friends how many DPC they opened.

[hyperziz]

I'm not surprised, the majority just play this game for free

[Unresolved]

If everybody was able to easily get the good items from the DPC, then the armors wouldn't be special anymore and people would be complaining about that instead.

[hyperziz]

If everybody was able to easily get the good items from the DPC, then the armors wouldn't be special anymore and people would be complaining about that instead.

But 165 DPCs cost $405 worth of gems, not everyone are willing to invest this much

[Unresolved]

It's a gamble. If you aren't able to handle getting the short end of the stick(which will be 99% of the time), then you simply shouldn't gamble. You'll be disappointed 99% of the time.

[Miyabi]

Their fingers must hurt combining the junks, why not just hack out a BK+ instead of opening DPC

Because they dont directly hack to get the armors, they 1 time hack 99999999gems, so have to slowly open DPC.
I think your finger must have hurt when u know how much ppl hack.

[hyperziz]

The droprate i agree its low, but 165chest is nothing much, ppl who hack and have lots of aegis and black K+ have open unlimited DPC to get about 3~7 black K/Aegis.
Your 165 is really not much if u ask me. Ask around the hackers or the hacker's friends how many DPC they opened.

Thats a very good point, as you can see, I have opened 165 chest today, 1000 more before hand and no BK or Aegis, draw conclusion from your comment and my experience, those who currently have BK and Aegis must be hacking.

[Raistmar]

Thats a very good point, as you can see, I have opened 165 chest today, 1000 more before hand and no BK or Aegis, draw conclusion from your comment and my experience, those who currently have BK and Aegis must be hacking.

Good idea lets ban every player with DPC armor!

[deathexe]

Thats a very good point, as you can see, I have opened 165 chest today, 1000 more before hand and no BK or Aegis, draw conclusion from your comment and my experience, those who currently have BK and Aegis must be hacking.

So you're saying that because I have a bkal on my character, I'm hacking? Wow.

[hyperziz]

Because they dont directly hack to get the armors, they 1 time hack 99999999gems, so have to slowly open DPC.
I think your finger must have hurt when u know how much ppl hack.

Still, this does not explain how they are able to quickly clear their inventory of the excess armors

[hyperziz]

Maybe this drop rate issue is only on Android, lol who ever is the first to pop out a BKal on android will be very sus, currently no Android player have BK

[Genocide788]

Still, this does not explain how they are able to quickly clear their inventory of the excess armors
Ermmm.... Use them to enhance target armors?

You are playing on Android aren't you?

[Miyabi]

Still, this does not explain how they are able to quickly clear their inventory of the excess armors

Hmmmmm why dont u go through tutorial again before u buy gems next time then..

[D3athShade]

Hyperziz, you just went full retard... Never go full retard...

If you are too stupid to listen to other players, f*ck off and go cry in a corner. I opened a lot of DPC and got a lot of 1-2 stars and then i stopped opening them because i don't have hundreds of euro's to spend. So chill the f*ck down and stop complaining and arguing with people that are right...

[600RR]

Thats a very good point, as you can see, I have opened 165 chest today, 1000 more before hand and no BK or Aegis, draw conclusion from your comment and my experience, those who currently have BK and Aegis must be hacking.

I spent over 3000 gems on DPC at the weekend, thats more than £300 on gems, nearly 3 times the amount you're complaining about spending. Guess what? I got nothing special but i'm not the mad idiot starting a flame war on a community forum with kids present, yourself also a kid judging by how you're throwing your toys out the pram.

You are not the only person to have spent a large amount on DPC's but no one held a gun to your head so suck it up and stop acting as though the world owes you a living. Guess what buddy - it doesn't.


Still, this does not explain how they are able to quickly clear their inventory of the excess armors

You can use 4 armours per enhancement? For god sake man, 120 'junk' armours will take 30 enhances to get rid of, that's not even 15 minutes work. Think on a little bit.

[Nemmer]

Hypersissy, please do us all a favour and go to tibet. There's vows of silence over there, and you only have to pay once. Your behaviour is about as constructive and mannered as a Viking raiding party in 9th century England...

[Slevinn]

Tbh the droprate is terrible, but on the other hand if it wasn't everyone would have the best armors. Why not just buy the armors immediatly? That is fun.

Go cry a river somewhere else

[L C]

Stop defending Gree you cheap azz not spend a cent in game, 800 gems cost $106, this is 1000 gems, so 106 x 1.25 = $132.5

$132.50 for some upgrade materials?

I have better chance at real life lottery with $132.50

I'm not saying this is expensive, talking about game balnace.... how is this balanced when the odds are lower than real life lottery.

I dont care about the gems I've used, just freaking increase the odds, you know how long it takes to empty these 55 junks from my armor inventory...

"Fool me once, shame on you."


I opened another 55, got this
3731
but since this is a non+, again, useless junk, now i have 110 junks to get rid off

"Fool me twice, shame on me"



I want a 100gem chest, lol

But then you wouldn't have spent 2000 gems, and be willing to spend more. Thus GREE's tactic is proving successful and a 100gem chest is a terrible financial idea for them.

Plus, if you think you are being ripped off, why do you keep repeating the process?



Another 55, so out of 165 chest, 1 4star(not even a plus), the rest all 1&2 stars

"Fool me thrice, shame on me for being an idiot"

"Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results." -Albert Einstein


But 165 DPCs cost $405 worth of gems, not everyone are willing to invest this much

Obviously, you are one of the willing one's. Not only are you willing to invest this much, but you are willing to invest this much when you know the odds, and are thus investing it in "junk" (as you called it)...and then willing to spend your time advertising that you spent this money on "junk".

-smells suspiciously of trolling or hacking to be frank

Further, your initial math said 55 chests =1000gems =$132.50,
Since 165 = 3x55, then 3x$132.50 =$401.50 not $405 (trivial, but details, sir. Pay attention to the details.)


Thats a very good point, as you can see, I have opened 165 chest today, 1000 more before hand and no BK or Aegis, draw conclusion from your comment and my experience, those who currently have BK and Aegis must be hacking.
so you seem to be saying now, that you have repeated this same process numerous times before
(This began with a rant about 55 DPCs, so 1000/55=18 +10chests leftover)
So you claim to at least be up to 21 sets of 55 chests with an extra 10 chests leftover.
--assuming you've won/earned quite a few DPC keys, let's call it 65 for ease, then you have spent roughly $2650.00
*(somehow typo'd 8 vice 18 & had to fix the rest, oops)


To clarify, I'm not saying that anyone spending this much must be hacking...but those who spend this kind of money legitimately, typically behave in a much different manner.

So in this specific case, a distinct odor lingers, as mentioned above
---(though perhaps my nose is not what it used to be, and I have mistaken the scent of epic-whiner for troll/hacker)



*Please forgive my bluntness and aggressiveness, I'm much better at being a Wally, Jim, Ed, etc, than I am at being Frank*

[Slevinn]

L C, u crack me up bro. Best post of the day

[Alexa]

Aww poor you! Hope you have a decent job at the very least

[Raistmar]

"Fool me once, shame on you."



"Fool me twice, shame on me"



But then you wouldn't have spent 2000 gems, and be willing to spend more. Thus GREE's tactic is proving successful and a 100gem chest is a terrible financial idea for them.

Plus, if you think you are being ripped off, why do you keep repeating the process?




"Fool me thrice, shame on me for being an idiot"

"Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results." -Albert Einstein



Obviously, you are one of the willing one's. Not only are you willing to invest this much, but you are willing to invest this much when you know the odds, and are thus investing it in "junk" (as you called it)...and then willing to spend your time advertising that you spent this money on "junk".

-smells suspiciously of trolling or hacking to be frank

Further, your initial math said 55 chests =1000gems =$132.50,
Since 165 = 3x55, then 3x$132.50 =$401.50 not $405 (trivial, but details, sir. Pay attention to the details.)


so you seem to be saying now, that you have repeated this same process numerous times before
(This began with a rant about 55 DPCs, so 1000/55=8 +10chests leftover)
So you claim to at least be up to 11 sets of 55 chests with an extra 10 chests leftover.
--assuming you've won/earned quite a few DPC keys, let's call it 65 for ease, then you have spent roughly $1325.00



To clarify, I'm not saying that anyone spending this much must be hacking...but those who spend this kind of money legitimately, typically behave in a much different manner.

So in this specific case, a distinct odor lingers, as mentioned above
---(though perhaps my nose is not what it used to be, and I have mistaken the scent of epic-whiner for troll/hacker)



*Please forgive my bluntness and aggressiveness, I'm much better at being a Wally, Jim, Ed, etc, than I am at being Frank*

Haha! Epic post.

You basically just expanded my previous post lol.


Hahahahaha.

Bet that's how gree is feeling now. I love idiots like this.

[GCSpyder]

Should sticky LC's retort. Hahaha, epic!!

[Matty-cakes]

I don't think I've ever laughed so much at one page of forum posts. Thanks for the stomach workout.
:D

[Aradan]

ok now if im not mistaken, which im not as he admitted he crafted startmental and this is only guy on android with it, this is him......

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee263/stryder50/Screenshot_2013-06-24-12-26-54_zpsf6c41a92.png (http://s235.photobucket.com/user/stryder50/media/Screenshot_2013-06-24-12-26-54_zpsf6c41a92.png.html)

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee263/stryder50/Screenshot_2013-06-25-12-34-50_zps10dee681.png (http://s235.photobucket.com/user/stryder50/media/Screenshot_2013-06-25-12-34-50_zps10dee681.png.html)


and fun fact, when he had only 970 wins he had over 73k points. Now yes this is possible if you do all 1k double downs, but unlikely as he was instantly level 103(it easy to keep track of any strong players on android as its very small and there isn't many, so wouldve noticed someone leveling up highly, also he been level 103 since about this time last week and only other tournament he was in was rainy day which was right before, so he can get level 1-103 in approx 1 week....interesting.

and someone know if there is a new version of nemesis where its stronger then almost any other armor in the game? cause his is as you can see above.....

[jamiedmc]

lol wow, total hacker. So may red flags, it is a fact. Ban him and let's move on....

But he does raise a valid point. The chests in this game, really EVERYTHING in this game, is VERY expensive. Even when compared to other Pay-to-Win games, this is one of the most expensive. Many games offer premium content for $5 to $20 a month, whereas in this game you have to spend ~$30 a week just to get one nemesis (given 10% drop rate on dpc). It is really crazy...
I do agree that the drop rates should be low for the reasons others have stated, but the chests should be a lot cheaper, for what you get. I really love this game and am happy to spend real $ on it (I have opened a few hundred dpc, paid for them all) but the pricing structure is outrageous!

[Mike Stanley]

Ha if this hypersissy baby would have waited a little longer till the solstice chest came out maybe he wouldn't have gotten such "junk"

[Aradan]

well he either did the hack to get 999999 gems at start, using another hack to give whenever or the gem glitch

[Bryanv2]

I agree with Deathexe's point but also disagree.

There's a difference between being a business/company and leading your supporters on. This game is incredibly expensive when it comes to if you wanna buy. I agree that drop rate chances should be low, but spending 200+ bucks for one 4 star armor? In pretty much every other game spending that kind of money at least insures you something of great value. This sounds plain disrespectful.

It is the OP's choice to buy, and it might not be the smartest thing to do but looking at his and the other threadmakers (The guy who said he spends 400 a month) this does feel a little bit too extreme of a money milking move. In the end, they are supporting the game and making it possible to keep updating this game so why be this rough? A simple revive costs like 3 bucks also which equal about 2-3 good full Iphone games. $200 being like 3 years of WoW lol

I wouldn't mind supporting this game at all, but knowing theres a chance that even if I spend a 1000 bucks to not get ANYTHING of decent value makes me cringe a bit.

On the flipside again, I've opened a total of 3 DPC and I got one 4 star legendary (a really bad one) so it seems OP, that you just have very very bad luck or I have the opposite with good luck. Funny thing is, I felt ripped off even with that lol.

[Sir.]

This started out so frustrating, but ended up being so much fun. Good read. ^^

Now can we get rid of this guy?

[D3athShade]

This started out so frustrating, but ended up being so much fun. Good read. ^^

Now can we get rid of this guy?

Agreed, at least ban him from the forums so we don't hear his crying again.

[Roark]

I played an online MMO before with a crafting synthesis system in the game.

People didn't seem to understand the game mechanics that a 5% chance of high-quality version of the synthesis does not mean if you make 100 synths, that you will get 5 HQ results.

No.

Every time you perform a synth, and every time you open a DPC, you have the same set percentage for the better result. It's a statistical fallacy to expect better results with larger amounts of attempts. No one's opinion or feedback is irrelevant for their lack of opening chests or "enough" chests (i.e. 100's), it just comes down to statistics/drop rates

[Unresolved]

I played an online MMO before with a crafting synthesis system in the game.

People didn't seem to understand the game mechanics that a 5% chance of high-quality version of the synthesis does not mean if you make 100 synths, that you will get 5 HQ results.

No.

Every time you perform a synth, and every time you open a DPC, you have the same set percentage for the better result. It's a statistical fallacy to expect better results with larger amounts of attempts. No one's opinion or feedback is irrelevant for their lack of opening chests or "enough" chests (i.e. 100's), it just comes down to statistics/drop rates

It's not just a problem in MMO's. People don't understand statistics in real life as well. They don't realize that each event is independent of each other when it comes to gambling.

[hhm]

I agree with Bryan. The ratio of drawing something that is decent is remotely slim.

In other games, spending a couple hundred dollars can already get you pretty far. For instance, mapelstory, the success of upgrading armors is at least 10%, not like 0.001 in this game. Somebody also mentioned in previous post that a couple hundreds is equal to 2 or 3 years of WOW membership. I can also say that the chance of going to the casino and gamble probably can give you a much better outcome than DPC in this game. I can go in with $60, play this game called "Sick Bo" and leave with $400 winnings, for me. For those who don't gamble in casino, the odds of winning the house is low because the odds will always be against the player.

With DPC, it is in no doubt expansive to "gamble", but it is free to play. Maybe we need to readjust our goals in the game before getting that credit card bill at the end of the month. Stop before it gets out of hand.

Also, thanks for giving us the ratios with your Draws, hyperziz. Perhaps now we can think about this before spending any MONEY on DPC.


I agree with Deathexe's point but also disagree.

There's a difference between being a business/company and leading your supporters on. This game is incredibly expensive when it comes to if you wanna buy. I agree that drop rate chances should be low, but spending 200+ bucks for one 4 star armor? In pretty much every other game spending that kind of money at least insures you something of great value. This sounds plain disrespectful.

It is the OP's choice to buy, and it might not be the smartest thing to do but looking at his and the other threadmakers (The guy who said he spends 400 a month) this does feel a little bit too extreme of a money milking move. In the end, they are supporting the game and making it possible to keep updating this game so why be this rough? A simple revive costs like 3 bucks also which equal about 2-3 good full Iphone games. $200 being like 3 years of WoW lol

I wouldn't mind supporting this game at all, but knowing theres a chance that even if I spend a 1000 bucks to not get ANYTHING of decent value makes me cringe a bit.

On the flipside again, I've opened a total of 3 DPC and I got one 4 star legendary (a really bad one) so it seems OP, that you just have very very bad luck or I have the opposite with good luck. Funny thing is, I felt ripped off even with that lol.

[Sir.]

It's not just a problem in MMO's. People don't understand statistics in real life as well. They don't realize that each event is independent of each other when it comes to gambling.

Does depend on the situation. ;) But with binomial experiments indeed people tend to forget this.

[Unresolved]

I agree with Bryan. The ratio of drawing something that is decent is remotely slim.

In other games, spending a couple hundred dollars can already get you pretty far. For instance, mapelstory, the success of upgrading armors is at least 10%, not like 0.001 in this game. Somebody also mentioned in previous post that a couple hundreds is equal to 2 or 3 years of WOW membership. I can also say that the chance of going to the casino and gamble probably can give you a much better outcome than DPC in this game. I can go in with $60, play this game called "Sick Bo" and leave with $400 winnings, for me. For those who don't gamble in casino, the odds of winning the house is low because the odds will always be against the player.

With DPC, it is in no doubt expansive to "gamble", but it is free to play. Maybe we need to readjust our goals in the game before getting that credit card bill at the end of the month. Stop before it gets out of hand.

Also, thanks for giving us the ratios with your Draws, hyperziz. Perhaps now we can think about this before spending any MONEY on DPC.

While I haven't played Maplestory in 3 years, there is one large difference between MS and this game. Each armor/weapon in MS only had 7 slots to upgrade with. In this game, you can open an unlimited amount of DPC with the only constraint being money. Landing 7 10% weapon scrolls in a row has astronomically low chances and the only alternative(at the time) was the 30% dark scroll that had a 35% chance of destroying your weapon outright.

[Gabzor89]

Hahahahaha.

Bet that's how gree is feeling now. I love idiots like this.

Totally, I'm actually laughing out loud from behind my computer screen lol

[Lcharlie]

Best post ever on this forum LC. It is good to have you in Centurions to keep us all grounded. ;). I thought buying a playstation game for $60 was expensive. The way some of you spend money on a glorified Rock Paper Scissors game really amazes me. Gree is happy indeed to have some of you. I am just glad I can still compete using a little strategy and common sense.

[Jman]

those who currently have BK and Aegis must be hacking.No way, I know someone who got BK totally legit, just because you have bad luck doesn't mean you should bash those with good luck.

[Jello]

This has been an entertaining thread and thought I would contribute (and add to the entertainment factor as well)... sorry for the length, I just kept typing.

I have played for 3 1/2 weeks and I like the game. I did some sign ups for free gems (Lifelock (230), freecrediscore (150)), and check everyday for video free gems. I screwed up armor crafting in the beginning so I'm making up for it now - but am doing ok. I just hit level 80. I'm trying for enough crowns for the Pyro+ but not sure if I'm going to make it. None of my armor will max out over 1950 combined, but I'm not disappointed with what I have. I'm having fun, being selective at what I buy/craft/spend gems on, and progressing at a quicker than probably normal pace. It's a challenge to level and try get better armor. But at the same time I am a serious player. I now have spreadsheets to track what I do, what I spend, what levels all my armor is at, what armor I should try and go for (or trash if it comes along). I don't expect anything in the game but what I earn... if a lucky drop or daily bonus comes along, great.

Since I like the game, I dropped some money the other day. I spent $99 and got the 1mil gold and 500 gems. I really got it to open up the 1m area of the castle to put in some more gold makers since I couldn't get over 500,000 long enough without spending it all away to enhance my armors. I took 200 of the gems and opened 11 DPC just to see what I would get. I got a 3* Sky Guardian reg (1943 max) and a Deva Nemesis which was nice and has helped me towards my goal of getting the Pyro+. I did get a 4 * Battlesuit Remnants reg which was worthless other than the 90EP it gave to enhancement. The other 8 were 1 * and 2 * which I used to enhance the Nemesis and other armors.

I don't plan on dropping anymore money on the game for awhile. I will probably reach 90 or higher by the end of the week. I use my time wisely, I don't let HP go to waste, I collect my gold often, and I'm always looking for the best way to improve at the least cost. The nice thing is I can play this at home, in bed, in line at the grocery store, or in the car. I can farm mats mindlessly while at work, watching tv, or whatever. I'm not locked in front of a computer for 6 hours at a time raiding like when I played WoW (I quit playing before Cata).

I learn everyday from these forums and also by making my own mistakes. I contribute when I learn something that may help others. It's a game! If it was easy, it wouldn't be fun. If everything was handed to you, it wouldn't be fun. Cheats are for whimps and losers that don't care about the game, but care about instant gratification. Life is not about being #1, it's about always doing your best.

But the youth of today belong to the "Entitlement generation" that think they are owed everything and shouldn't have to work for anything. The pussification of America has brought that on by being so politically correct and making it ok to sue anyone for everything, or allow blame to be placed everywhere but where it actually should be. Stupidity and laziness are the norm, and milking the government is the goal with unemployment, food stamps, and welfare.

To those that play the game fairly and honestly, and actually enjoy the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat, my hats off to you. We are the ones who will get along in the game. The whiners and *****ers, shove a sock in it and find another game to play if you don't like it. The game is not 100% perfect. The balance can shift either way on a daily basis. Live with it, make your suggestions to GREE, and play the game or move on.

[600RR]

But the youth of today belong to the "Entitlement generation" that think they are owed everything and shouldn't have to work for anything. The pussification of America has brought that on by being so politically correct and making it ok to sue anyone for everything, or allow blame to be placed everywhere but where it actually should be. Stupidity and laziness are the norm, and milking the government is the goal with unemployment, food stamps, and welfare.



Great post, very valid points and well written! Only thing I disagree with is the above statement, I'm 19, and I still consider myself a youth at this moment in time however everything I have is because I have worked for it. The generalisation is actually a little insulting, i've got to where I am by working hard, the last 6 months i've been doing 60 hour weeks every week without fail to meet an annual project target. I know plenty of 'older generation' who sponge off the system, taking my taxes because they feel they should be given a job, rather than put the effort into looking for one themselves.

Posts like these from the idiot OP don't help my case at all, I agree. But this whole 'owed a living' attitude isn't just a youth generation mentality, it's also present in the elder generations. It may well be more common amongst youngsters, but they have yet to experience working life and maturity. You were young and naive once too, we all were.

Sure i'm a little dissapointed when I spend £140 and get nothing 'worthwhile' so to speak, but who wouldn't be?

[Raistmar]

I wouldn't call opening DPC as gambling. When you gamble you have the chance to walk away a winner, with DPC it just leaves you broke lol.

[Lieda]

Eeeewww , my god id never do that, knowing how low are the chances of getting the armor you want, or at least a decent one for use. Ofc they can always be used for enhancing but its a terrible tradeoff... Personally i only open one chest if I get enough gems, once per epic boss also, if not using them to summon too, still got nemesis twice, but nothing guarantees it.. unless said otherwise

[Jello]

Great post, very valid points and well written! Only thing I disagree with is the above statement, I'm 19, and I still consider myself a youth at this moment in time however everything I have is because I have worked for it. The generalisation is actually a little insulting, i've got to where I am by working hard, the last 6 months i've been doing 60 hour weeks every week without fail to meet an annual project target. I know plenty of 'older generation' who sponge off the system, taking my taxes because they feel they should be given a job, rather than put the effort into looking for one themselves.

My apologies on stereotyping all youth in the same grouping. It was a majority generalization of what I see everyday. My daughter is 18 and is a hard worker and devoted to her education. She has her life and college planned out through her Masters degree and does work hard for what she wants. I agree with you about many in the older generations (GenX, Yuppies, etc) having the same entitlement view as well.

[600RR]

My apologies on stereotyping all youth in the same grouping. It was a majority generalization of what I see everyday. My daughter is 18 and is a hard worker and devoted to her education. She has her life and college planned out through her Masters degree and does work hard for what she wants. I agree with you about many in the older generations (GenX, Yuppies, etc) having the same entitlement view as well.

Good to know, I do agree alot of youth feel they are owed a living, there's a few at my workplace who seem to have that same mentality and despite my constant rambling and disagreements with them, they continue to believe that everyone around them owes them in some way or another.

Winds me up like crazy but hey ho, life goes on.

[Sir.]

Best post ever on this forum LC. It is good to have you in Centurions to keep us all grounded. ;). I thought buying a playstation game for $60 was expensive. The way some of you spend money on a glorified Rock Paper Scissors game really amazes me. Gree is happy indeed to have some of you. I am just glad I can still compete using a little strategy and common sense.

Though it is indeed an amazing post, it's not yet the greatest. The best post ever on these forums can be found here: http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?50451-Laugh!

[geopet]

"Fool me once, shame on you."



"Fool me twice, shame on me"



But then you wouldn't have spent 2000 gems, and be willing to spend more. Thus GREE's tactic is proving successful and a 100gem chest is a terrible financial idea for them.

Plus, if you think you are being ripped off, why do you keep repeating the process?




"Fool me thrice, shame on me for being an idiot"

"Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results." -Albert Einstein



Obviously, you are one of the willing one's. Not only are you willing to invest this much, but you are willing to invest this much when you know the odds, and are thus investing it in "junk" (as you called it)...and then willing to spend your time advertising that you spent this money on "junk".

-smells suspiciously of trolling or hacking to be frank

Further, your initial math said 55 chests =1000gems =$132.50,
Since 165 = 3x55, then 3x$132.50 =$401.50 not $405 (trivial, but details, sir. Pay attention to the details.)


so you seem to be saying now, that you have repeated this same process numerous times before
(This began with a rant about 55 DPCs, so 1000/55=18 +10chests leftover)
So you claim to at least be up to 21 sets of 55 chests with an extra 10 chests leftover.
--assuming you've won/earned quite a few DPC keys, let's call it 65 for ease, then you have spent roughly $2650.00
*(somehow typo'd 8 vice 18 & had to fix the rest, oops)


To clarify, I'm not saying that anyone spending this much must be hacking...but those who spend this kind of money legitimately, typically behave in a much different manner.

So in this specific case, a distinct odor lingers, as mentioned above
---(though perhaps my nose is not what it used to be, and I have mistaken the scent of epic-whiner for troll/hacker)



*Please forgive my bluntness and aggressiveness, I'm much better at being a Wally, Jim, Ed, etc, than I am at being Frank*


i guess you cant "pay attention to details" either.. learn how to do math. 3x132.50=397.50 lmao

hyperziz i completely agree, the percentages are waaaaaaaayyyyy too low. idc what anyone else has to say so you dont have to quote me and tell me im wrong. i believe it to be true.

[D3athShade]

i guess you cant "pay attention to details" either.. learn how to do math. 3x132.50=397.50 lmao

hyperziz i completely agree, the percentages are waaaaaaaayyyyy too low. idc what anyone else has to say so you dont have to quote me and tell me im wrong. i believe it to be true.

Just so you know, you are talking to a banned person. So don't expect an answer from him :p but i agree aswel on the low rates

[L C]

i guess you cant "pay attention to details" either.. learn how to do math. 3x132.50=397.50 lmao

hyperziz i completely agree, the percentages are waaaaaaaayyyyy too low. idc what anyone else has to say so you dont have to quote me and tell me im wrong. i believe it to be true.

No worries, geopet, I'll take the heat for that error.
I went back and fixed some random typos with an edit or two and during my cut and paste didn't shift the math.
Originally that had said 133.50 not 132.50, thus I'm sure you can see where the error originated.
Cheers, and good check on what is now, a very old post.



Though it is indeed an amazing post, it's not yet the greatest. The best post ever on these forums can be found here: http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?50451-Laugh!

Sir., while I will agree with you that that post referenced is not the "greatest", I can find at least ten that I like better than the one you selected. Further, the term greatest is obviously in the eye of the beholder, so give the man a break.
But I am a bit shocked at the post you selected to advertise as your favorite...I had taken you for a soul who appreciates things with a bit more of a Monty Python twist ("Ni!").

Cheers fellas

[King Mark]

@hyperziz: Interesting read. You're raising some valid points, however, what's your motive for putting these things in the open? Admitting you're altering your DPC, your grudge against the mentioned players, etc.?

On the side note, now that I think about it, after spending much time in the arena this week, I thought I was gonna get a bronze, lol! Was at rank 70+ an hour before the tournament ended, but I ended up getting ribbon 1, ranked 270. Weird, but yeah, I was after the free 20 gems & stuff. Silly me! This is another Gree game after all ^^

[Genocide788]

It's okay Aiden. Let him. The more people there are like him, the faster Gree will scramble for a solution.
They will prioritize it once it goes viral. Seen that first hand with GameLoft.

[Archangel_rd]

I don't see why you should be encouraging him, or trying to hack the game yourself.

I don't know how to hack... Heck I can barely download an app correctly... But if u can do it I say kudos to u it's a lot better than spending real money on a game

[deathexe]

I don't know how to hack... Heck I can barely download an app correctly... But if u can do it I say kudos to u it's a lot better than spending real money on a game

It's also not right and you're spoiling the game for others, so I don't see how it's something that you should be saying 'kudos' to.

[600RR]

I just read this entire thread and got a whole bunch of feelings towards DPC. I've laughed at a few posts, got disappointed at the results for many and learned that I should become a hacker (lol j/k). Now I've already opened say around 30 of them, not nearly as much as half the people in this thread but it's lead me to 2 conclusions. The first being that I agree that the drop rate for great armor should remain low to keep the fairness for all players and the second being that the price for gems should be reduced a bit seeing as most of the armors gathered from the chests result in tools for enhancing other armors. It just seems a bit ridiculous to spend real money on such low yield results when that monetary contribution keeps GREE funded and this game free for all players. I feel as though people who pay should get a slight advantage for that reason but like I said, in the form of reducing the prices of gems so that paying players could get a few more of those lower tier armors to beef up the better ones they have already and give them an advantage in that sense. It's not like GREE would lose money in that sense either.

With that being said, I believe I am going to continue on my course of action of buying the 375 gems a month while opening a few DPCs every time a new epic boss rolls around. This way what's going on in my head is that I'm hoping for the nemesis armor, but one day I might just get a lucky surprise and draw a black kaleidoscope.

The buyers do get a slight advantage though, there's the chance at getting uncraftable legendaries. If you don't buy, there's no way you could get the same advantage (not including video offers) but you can't police who gets gems through £ and who gets them through VO.

Good plan with the monthly investment, though it would make more sense to buy a 800 pack (£69.99)every 2 months rather than 2 375 (34.99 x 2 £69.98 - 750 total gems) every 2 months if you can afford it of course. Even if you didn't buy a pack for a month and next month bought the 800 you'd be doing better in the longrun :) £0.01 for 50 gems? Yes please!

[Justice711]

I just read this entire thread and got a whole bunch of feelings towards DPC. I've laughed at a few posts, got disappointed at the results for many and learned that I should become a hacker (lol j/k). Now I've already opened say around 30 of them, not nearly as much as half the people in this thread but it's lead me to 2 conclusions. The first being that I agree that the drop rate for great armor should remain low to keep the fairness for all players and the second being that the price for gems should be reduced a bit seeing as most of the armors gathered from the chests result in tools for enhancing other armors. It just seems a bit ridiculous to spend real money on such low yield results when that monetary contribution keeps GREE funded and this game free for all players. I feel as though people who pay should get a slight advantage for that reason but like I said, in the form of reducing the prices of gems so that paying players could get a few more of those lower tier armors to beef up the better ones they have already and give them an advantage in that sense. It's not like GREE would lose money in that sense either.

With that being said, I believe I am going to continue on my course of action of buying the 375 gems a month while opening a few DPCs every time a new epic boss rolls around. This way what's going on in my head is that I'm hoping for the nemesis armor, but one day I might just get a lucky surprise and draw a black kaleidoscope.


Finally someone with basic common sense & some insight.

Kudos to you! I wish u all the best in getting that exclusive black K!

[Eunuchorn]

Problem:
I have 2 black Ks

Solution:
Let me combine 2 70/70 black Ks into black K+.

Wow that was easy, can I have my $10,000 back?

[L C]

Problem:
I have 2 black Ks

Solution:
Let me combine 2 70/70 black Ks into black K+.

Wow that was easy, can I have my $10,000 back?

That just might be the silliest thing I've seen on this forum.
Why would they give you your money back? Or give you the opportunity to combine those?
They naturally anticipate you're going continue to "spend" that kind of money, since you have continued to do so in the quest to get Black K+ already.
Also, nice problem to have: 2 Black K's.
Or did you mean your problem was the $10k.

[600RR]

That just might be the silliest thing I've seen on this forum.
Why would they give you your money back? Or give you the opportunity to combine those?
They naturally anticipate you're going continue to "spend" that kind of money, since you have continued to do so in the quest to get Black K+ already.
Also, nice problem to have: 2 Black K's.
Or did you mean your problem was the $10k.

The problem is having 2 Black K's, and quite a major one. Only your main knight can wear a Kaleido, which means 1 is completely useless. Not exactly fair.

[Eunuchorn]

The problem is having 2 Black K's, and quite a major one. Only your main knight can wear a Kaleido, which means 1 is completely useless.Not exactly fair.

& now everyone & their mom will get it because of the boss reset glitch, which I only found out even existed months after coming in top 3 on every boss spending gems.

W
T
F

Boy am I a sucker.

[Genocide788]

Boy, It's going to be a rough 4 weeks :/

[hhm]

Looking forward to next 3 weeks.

[Lord Ash]

& now everyone & their mom will get it because of the boss reset glitch, which I only found out even existed months after coming in top 3 on every boss spending gems. .

What boss reset glitch? And please don't tell me you have actually spent TEN Thousand dollars on this game... Thats just insane ... I paid less than that for my 2002 Mercedes convertible

[Lieda]

Wow, just now that I realized that he said he spent 10.000$ and not 10.000 gems, wich would would still cost more than ive ever spent in this game like... 100 times... I really hope you are joking for your own sake x)

[Eunuchorn]

Sedans shouldn't exist. In sorry you felt the need to buy one.

Before you ask, I drive a jeep wrangler. As should everyone else. Or all model Ts still. Heck, there's just too many Rtards on the road in general, & I drive all day so I know.

Technically the bank paid for all my Chests. If you aren't anticipating a global economic collapse / digital monetary reset then you might want to start reading some alternative news sources.

P.S. For the love of god, please stop voting.

[Auris]

I have learned this lesson long ago that never buy gems for DPC :) yes the odds is too small for this small game you spend too much money :) and they want just more and more...