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cheiz
06-20-2013, 01:52 PM
Just a heads up: I'm at level 134, boss 50 was about double strength compared to boss lvl 49
Anyone else come across this yet?

ohgreatitsryan
06-20-2013, 02:06 PM
I posted about this earlier. In the 76-100 bracket, boss 49 took 12 cash hits, boss 50 took 30.

King Dante!
06-20-2013, 02:06 PM
It seems like Gree decreased the HP of bosses 1-49 and to balance things out, significantly raised the HP of boss 50.

I don't mind this change. Fundamentally, it makes sense to me.

ohgreatitsryan
06-20-2013, 02:10 PM
It does make sense, it just is one of those things that changes strategy. Especially when a boss has historically had 5.64mil health, but now has 9.5mil+ health. I'm not sure there are more than a couple people that can finish boss 50 now without the use of gold, and farming bosses is no longer an option.

cheiz
06-20-2013, 02:22 PM
Oh, missed that post Ryan...

ohgreatitsryan
06-20-2013, 02:24 PM
Oh, missed that post Ryan...

It got lost in the wave of posts in the loot tracker thread. You just beat me to starting a separate one.

BostonHammer
06-20-2013, 02:25 PM
The 76-90 boss I think has around 10.2 million health (tough to tell how much damage my last cash hit did). Guess i won't be farming boss units.

ohgreatitsryan
06-20-2013, 02:26 PM
The 76-90 boss I think has around 10.2 million health (tough to tell how much damage my last cash hit did). Guess i won't be farming boss units.

That sounds about right, I wasn't sure so I was just estimating on the low end.

Arizona
06-20-2013, 02:32 PM
Do you have a figure for boss 50 health in the 101-150 tier? Looking at around 10m?

ohgreatitsryan
06-20-2013, 02:33 PM
Do you have a figure for boss 50 health in the 101-150 tier? Looking at around 10m?

If 76-100 was 10.2, I've got to imagine that 101-150 is about 14 or 15mil.

cheiz
06-20-2013, 02:37 PM
About 17-17.5 mil for lvl 100-150

ohgreatitsryan
06-20-2013, 02:44 PM
I guess we weren't spending enough gold on boss events. Or they are trying to make all campers cry.

Arizona
06-20-2013, 02:54 PM
Thanks guys... If that's what it is, it might be outta my reach:(

ohgreatitsryan
06-20-2013, 02:55 PM
So does this mean the "average" attack between levels 76-100 is about 550k?

cheiz
06-20-2013, 03:00 PM
So does this mean the "average" attack between levels 76-100 is about 550k?

Haha, no it doesn't!!! I guess it means boss 50 requires at least 2x or 3x average attack lvl...

ohgreatitsryan
06-20-2013, 03:02 PM
Haha, no it doesn't!!! I guess it means boss 50 requires at least 2x or 3x average attack lvl...

I feel so bad for people when I look for my rivals list and see that most of them are under 100k a/d. Poor fellas. Never getting a lvl 50 boss that doesn't cost a few vaults.

cheiz
06-20-2013, 03:05 PM
I feel so bad for people when I look for my rivals list and see that most of them are under 100k a/d. Poor fellas. Never getting a lvl 50 boss that doesn't cost a few vaults.

Yep, idea of getting to boss 50 with my LLP is out the window

stephen2013
06-20-2013, 03:37 PM
I feel so bad for people when I look for my rivals list and see that most of them are under 100k a/d. Poor fellas. Never getting a lvl 50 boss that doesn't cost a few vaults.

I see people all the time in my level bracket (76-100) who have insanely low attack scores, like 30k or less. I'm in the high end of people in my group, with 215k, and I'm probably capable of beating 40-42 bosses. The average is probably 50k-80k in this tier, WAY below the required attack needed to beat this boss without gold.

megaants
06-20-2013, 03:59 PM
or maybe they are trying to stop people from farming 50 boss and also gaining cash from it , remember ranger? I think he did it over hundred times and gain millions from it.

ohgreatitsryan
06-20-2013, 04:01 PM
I see people all the time in my level bracket (76-100) who have insanely low attack scores, like 30k or less. I'm in the high end of people in my group, with 215k, and I'm probably capable of beating 40-42 bosses. The average is probably 50k-80k in this tier, WAY below the required attack needed to beat this boss without gold.

Shoot. I'm in the same bracket and around 325k attack, and I had to use 3 medpacks on one boss. I can't imagine how bad it must be for others.

Baraka
06-20-2013, 04:56 PM
The extra strength is obviously to stop people doing boss 50 over and over and farming rates. But overall the boss is harder. Last time out boss 49 took 7 cash hits. I have upped my attack by at least 100k, still in same boss bracket it took 11. It's just Gree getting more money as per.

Corsair
06-20-2013, 07:15 PM
Historically, they would always adjust the boss strength upward with each new one, I guess to balance stat increases. Also, used to be that after the final prize tier, the counter would keep going and keep getting harder. When they switched from 30 to 50, both of these stopped. So the last 5 or so bosses have been getting much easier, and with all the health boosts farming past 50 was a big plus. Guess those days are over. Really wish they had just reverted to past practice rather than making the final level so hard, but whatever.

Between this and the massive decrease in boosts for the latest WD prize units, Gree is giving us all the big old middle finger again, and laughing all the way to the bank.

MadFox
06-20-2013, 11:44 PM
It's the same strategy like the box events...you open 9 boxes pretty quick and got 9 devices just to find yourself struggling to get the last one...it's a trap...a trap to make you spend gold.

Now they implemented a quite similar thing to the boss. Go through 49 bosses like a hot knife through butter and struggle on boss number 50! Brilliant...
Tease....tease...tease...

Interesting how greed finds ways to make customers unhappy...
Always on the edge to a complete g*ch*..remember Japan 2004? Not a good year Gree, eh? Working towards that again?

Auf Deutsch "Kundenverarschung" ....now translate that ;) that's what it is
Greetings at this point to my German speaking fellows...

hey gree..you are a good company...like any other professional companies you want happy customers who open their wallet with a smile, don't you?
Everybody understands the fact that you also want to make your shareholders happy...but you haven't found your way yet to please both...try harder...
Keep "looking into it right now"

Hooligany
06-21-2013, 12:16 AM
Shoot. I'm in the same bracket and around 325k attack, and I had to use 3 medpacks on one boss. I can't imagine how bad it must be for others.

R you serious?
Darn Gree.. I was still happily thinking why I am still using free instead of cash hits in level 40+ boss...

this is going to hurt.

carl9764
06-21-2013, 01:41 AM
I am at Lvl 155 and can only do boss up to 21 cant get past this too hard

KidWiz
06-21-2013, 01:41 AM
We have also to consider the reward for beating boss lvl 50, what is over 4k attack / defense. Such a reward was never included in the "beat boss 35" events before they changed to the new format.

If you consider this and also compare to LTQ events with similar rewards then it is obvious that boss 50 is exclusively made for those folks who are going to spend gold to get this reward.

So there are categories for free players and gold spenders, its that easy. Only few players are able to beat boss 50 for free but have probably also spent gold to get those stats. So in summary they also paid indirectly to get those top rewards (only exception would be hackers).

Zonfry
06-21-2013, 07:22 AM
You can still kill 45 bosses as per normal, so you can still camp and farm the boss, just you'll only get 45 prizes plus 9 bonus prizes easily, after 45 they seemed to jump up in power,
For me, last boss event hits required were (from 41-50)
11,12,12,13,14,15,15,16,17,17
This event 41-49 are:
8,8,9,9,9,10,10,11,13,15 and just starting boss 50 and it looks like its gonna be around 30 hits or more
so from 45 upwards it looks like boss health took a jump and then shot into space for 50.

Oh well, and I thought i'd spent my last gold on bosses until 150.