Epic Boss Calculator

[MattThomas08]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApLAouWWY8ZldHFpS2c3NmpUSGRVbXVaWFlKM3I4N VE&usp=sharing

Make sure you download to excel and view the readme tab to get full use of the sheet. The calculations will not complete automatically in google's view.

After completing several boss events, I've collected data and made a sheet that helps me to calculate the amount of hits and gold required to complete each boss.

If you have any suggestions or further boss information, please pass it along and I'll update the sheet.

A special thanks to Billionaire and all others who have compiled this information over the months. Please let me know if you have any questions or need some advice.

Make sure you download to excel and view the readme tab to get full use of the sheet. The calculations will not complete automatically in google's view.

Edit: Additional tiers added for bosses through level 50.

[MattThomas08]

I'm going to reiterate this here, since I run into enough people that don't understand basic boss strategy. Here's the strategy you should be using on Epic Bosses.

1. Activate boss by PVP or PVE.
2. Hit boss once. Wait >1 minute, attack 4 more times.
3. Set timer for 26 minutes, attack two more times
4. Set timer for 26 minutes, attack two more times.
5. Set timer for 26 minutes, attack two more times.
6. Set timer for 26 minutes, attack two more times.
7. If you can't finish off boss and need gold, use the gold REFILL, wait >1 minute, attack boss 3 times.
8. Hit gold refill again as necessary, wait >1 minute, attack boss 3 times.

Keep in mind, this calculator and strategy relies on you being able to take down the boss within a few gold hits. At a certain point, the gold strategy becomes unfeasible and you can't get 3 hits per refill, because you won't have the >1 minute to spare. How many times you can do the optimum refill strategy depends on how quickly you make it through steps 1-6.

Reference Billionaire's guide for further information http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?47322-The-Billionaires-Guide-to-Boss-Events.

[bald zeemer]

Syndicate bonuses do not work in boss events. 100% confirmed - I keep a running total of my raw stats, and compared during last event.

[wepox]

Looking forward to looking at your info

[MattThomas08]

Syndicate bonuses do not work in boss events. 100% confirmed - I keep a running total of my raw stats, and compared during last event.

Yeah I know that's why I put in my spreadsheet directions for inputting the actual attack it shows you using on the boss vs profil stats. It's unfortunate the syndicate bonuses don't help, but maybe they will in the future....? :-D

[erik41141]

Confirm if boss events are affected by syndicate bonuses or not that would be the most annoying thing GREE(D) has done other than untraceable carbine only working /w robberies not attacks...

[SuperAga]

Greatttt and thanx Smoke <:)

[Tommy Two Toes]

Pretty spreadsheet.

How hard do you think it would be, to allow it to figure out when you should use Free Hits vs. Cash Hits (or a combination thereof) to get the job done at the low end of the scale?

I know cash doesn't have as much value as gold, but I hate spending needlessly.

[Georges]

After testing during next boss event synd bonuses do not affect.
Excellent, but it's no more than a copy/paste of the first one, some months ago written by The Billionnaire, nothong new in fact

[MattThomas08]

If you download it, as opposed to view it in google, the difference is that this will calculate based on your stats how many hits each boss will take and how much gold it will take you to finish. Thanks for the compliment but its more than just pretty, FYI =)

[cooch]

Syndicate bonuses do not work in boss events. 100% confirmed - I keep a running total of my raw stats, and compared during last event.

Did we have a boss event that had a syn prize...? The next one will be the big confirmation.

[MattThomas08]

Did we have a boss event that had a syn prize...? The next one will be the big confirmation.
In modern war the events have nothing to do with syndicates with the exception of PVP. Seems to be the same here so far, but that can always change.

[AshKetchumAge10]

I'll try it out during the next boss event.

[MattThomas08]

I'll try it out during the next boss event.

Let me know if you find anything off or would like any other features added to it.

[HenryVIII]

Modern War now utilizes faction bonuses during boss events. Hope Crime City follows suit.

[bald zeemer]

Did we have a boss event that had a syn prize...? The next one will be the big confirmation.

Syndicate bonus = in-game cash bonuses purchased from collective syndicate bank.

Attack modifiers have been out for a very long time, I'm sure someone can confirm or deny if they work. I would assume they would work, as they are demonstrably of a different category to syndicate bonuses.

[ianmac]

Thanx MT, I will try it out with "Gizmo" M8 ;))

[(CK) EL]

any kind of attack modifiers or mafia number modifiers do not work in boss event. Of course syndicate upgrade modifiers don't work either.
It would be great if they fix it in the future without raising the boss defence

[Ragmondino]

any kind of attack modifiers or mafia number modifiers do not work in boss event. Of course syndicate upgrade modifiers don't work either.
It would be great if they fix it in the future without raising the boss defence

In mw it now does so hopefully it will be coming here soon.

[Bala82]

I really want Health regeneration bonus that MW have for boss events :(

[BigMoney]

Okay, first off, thank you for making the spreadsheet. However, I do have one criticism relating to the calculations as to the "gold required." The issue arises when you need a LOT of gold to kill the boss.

Let's say I am level 73 with an attack of ~15K (cough). At this level, a level 40 boss has 880,000 HP. According to the calculator, this means it will take 59 hits to kill the boss, and 160 gold. However, the underlying assumption here is that for 10 gold, you will be able to attack 3 times, assuming you have a minute to wait. If you are using the strategy to get 13 free hits, assuming absolutely perfect timing (which in reality would be nearly impossible)...

2 hours remain. Hit boss once.
1:59. Hit boss 4 times.
1:33. Hit boss 2 times.
1:07. Hit boss 2 times.
0:41. Hit boss 2 times.
0:15. Hit boss 2 times.

13 hits, 15 minutes remaining. Now, using the prescribed gold strategy...

Refill health (10 gold).
0:14. Hit boss 3 times. Refill health (total of 20 gold spent, 16 cumulative hits).
0:13. Hit boss 3 times. Refill health (30 gold spent, 19 hits).
0:12. ... 40 gold, 22 hits.
0:11. ... 50 gold, 25 hits.
...
0:03. 130 gold, 49 hits.
0:02. 140 gold, 52 hits.
0:01. 150 gold, 55 hits.
1 second remaining - purchase health (160 gold), but only have time for 2 hits, totaling 57 hits. Not enough to defeat the boss. Even if you assume you could get 3 hits off with a second remaining, you'd have 58 hits, which is still too few.

This is again assuming absolutely flawless timing, and not taking into account time spent in the attack animation, etc. Even someone meticulously timing their attacks is likely to waste at least a whole minute doing so, and giving myself a 2 minute cushion before I start pouring on gold attacks (i.e. not waiting a minute for health to refill slightly) means that by the time I've spent 130 gold with 3 minutes remaining, totaling 49 hits, I need to spend 50 more gold (180 gold total) to get that 59th hit. Possibly one more health (190 gold) because one time when I KO'd a boss at the same time they KO'd me, I didn't "win" the battle until I got my health back to attack again.

So, at the very least, even if you assume unrealistically perfect timing, once you get above 55 hits, you need to switch to an assumption of only 2 more hits per 10 gold.

That's my opinion anyway. Feel free to point something out if I'm missing anything. Also, please excuse any typos, it's 6am here and I need to sleep.

[gulp]

i like this calculation. it will help me in fighting in next boss event.

[(CK) EL]

@big money.... no need to say much...you are right

[MattThomas08]

Okay, first off, thank you for making the spreadsheet. However, I do have one criticism relating to the calculations as to the "gold required." The issue arises when you need a LOT of gold to kill the boss.

Let's say I am level 73 with an attack of ~15K (cough). At this level, a level 40 boss has 880,000 HP. According to the calculator, this means it will take 59 hits to kill the boss, and 160 gold. However, the underlying assumption here is that for 10 gold, you will be able to attack 3 times, assuming you have a minute to wait. If you are using the strategy to get 13 free hits, assuming absolutely perfect timing (which in reality would be nearly impossible)...

2 hours remain. Hit boss once.
1:59. Hit boss 4 times.
1:33. Hit boss 2 times.
1:07. Hit boss 2 times.
0:41. Hit boss 2 times.
0:15. Hit boss 2 times.

13 hits, 15 minutes remaining. Now, using the prescribed gold strategy...

Refill health (10 gold).
0:14. Hit boss 3 times. Refill health (total of 20 gold spent, 16 cumulative hits).
0:13. Hit boss 3 times. Refill health (30 gold spent, 19 hits).
0:12. ... 40 gold, 22 hits.
0:11. ... 50 gold, 25 hits.
...
0:03. 130 gold, 49 hits.
0:02. 140 gold, 52 hits.
0:01. 150 gold, 55 hits.
1 second remaining - purchase health (160 gold), but only have time for 2 hits, totaling 57 hits. Not enough to defeat the boss. Even if you assume you could get 3 hits off with a second remaining, you'd have 58 hits, which is still too few.

This is again assuming absolutely flawless timing, and not taking into account time spent in the attack animation, etc. Even someone meticulously timing their attacks is likely to waste at least a whole minute doing so, and giving myself a 2 minute cushion before I start pouring on gold attacks (i.e. not waiting a minute for health to refill slightly) means that by the time I've spent 130 gold with 3 minutes remaining, totaling 49 hits, I need to spend 50 more gold (180 gold total) to get that 59th hit. Possibly one more health (190 gold) because one time when I KO'd a boss at the same time they KO'd me, I didn't "win" the battle until I got my health back to attack again.

So, at the very least, even if you assume unrealistically perfect timing, once you get above 55 hits, you need to switch to an assumption of only 2 more hits per 10 gold.

That's my opinion anyway. Feel free to point something out if I'm missing anything. Also, please excuse any typos, it's 6am here and I need to sleep.

You're right in all of this and I thought about this when making it. I didn't really make adjustments for it because I assumed that anybody requiring that many hits for the boss would probably write it off. Without adjusting the whole thing to only allow 2 hits for every refill, I can't really make the adjustment to the spreadsheet, so it's the best I can do to reach the majority of people's needs. It's pretty easy for those spending that kind of gold to make the adjustments themselves.

[Killshot-CC]

That's my opinion anyway. Feel free to point something out if I'm missing anything. Also, please excuse any typos, it's 6am here and I need to sleep.

I think you nailed it pretty well. This is the reason why I long ago gave up on the 40x boss event. I get as high as I can for as little as I can and then give up.

[BigMoney]

I think you nailed it pretty well. This is the reason why I long ago gave up on the 40x boss event. I get as high as I can for as little as I can and then give up.

It's a shame they make the boss ridiculously overpowered once you get past level 100. Even with my paltry attack stat (15K) at level <75, I could defeat the boss for less than one vault of gold. But with 100K attack at level 101+, it seems it would take more than a vault of gold just to beat the boss once at level 40. It seems like a bad business decision, as I'm sure the people at the top are much more likely to buy gold in order to get that top boss item than those below 100, but no one is going to buy 30+ vaults to get there for an item that only gives a 1-2K stat boost. Or very, very few people would, at least. Make the boss just stronger than the 90th percentile players, and you'll get a lot more people willing to purchase a vault or two in order to get that final item, to make it from level 37 to level 40 or whatever.

[bald zeemer]

It's a shame they make the boss ridiculously overpowered once you get past level 100. Even with my paltry attack stat (15K) at level <75, I could defeat the boss for less than one vault of gold. But with 100K attack at level 101+, it seems it would take more than a vault of gold just to beat the boss once at level 40. It seems like a bad business decision, as I'm sure the people at the top are much more likely to buy gold in order to get that top boss item than those below 100, but no one is going to buy 30+ vaults to get there for an item that only gives a 1-2K stat boost. Or very, very few people would, at least. Make the boss just stronger than the 90th percentile players, and you'll get a lot more people willing to purchase a vault or two in order to get that final item, to make it from level 37 to level 40 or whatever.

Use the gold to boost stats, and then take the next (or the next after that, etc) boss.

I'm looking forward to finally getting my first boss next week. :)

[wepox]

Does the att/def when you lvl up help you in any way agenst the boss?

[bald zeemer]

Yes, but it's borderline useless. Maxes out at 10atk/skill pt. Attack only, obvious, defense has no impact on bosses.

[MattThomas08]

Yes, but it's borderline useless. Maxes out at 10atk/skill pt. Attack only, obvious, defense has no impact on bosses.

Well, actually if you're below level 100 you're also going to get a bonus of getting to use more mafia for each increased level. It usually doesn't amount to very much even for me, because it just means I can bring more of my lowest level items.

Another tip, if you're leveling up soon, wait until you're in the middle of a boss kill if you can. Once you level, your stamina resets allowing 5 more hits.

[MattThomas08]

C'mon out and play Cooter.

[AntFinney]

Is it actually possibly to beat the Epic Boss 40 times without using gold or is it just another way for the developer to suck money out of us for gold purchases?


And how the heck does one get into a GOOD syndicate?!? My current syndicate is slacking!

[BigMoney]

Is it actually possibly to beat the Epic Boss 40 times without using gold or is it just another way for the developer to suck money out of us for gold purchases?


And how the heck does one get into a GOOD syndicate?!? My current syndicate is slacking!

You most certainly can beat the boss for free, you just need to have some insanely good stats for your level, which is pretty unlikely for someone who just plays the game casually.

Using the calculator, minimum attack needed to beat the boss for free:

Level 1-25: 8,462
Level 26-50: 27,693
Level 51-75: 67,693
Level 76-100: 118,462
Level 100+: 3,076,924

Just curious to all you really high level elite guys, what kind of attack stats do you see at the best of the best? I have trouble imagining attack stats adding up to more than 3 million.

[AK-47]

Just curious to all you really high level elite guys, what kind of attack stats do you see at the best of the best? I have trouble imagining attack stats adding up to more than 3 million.
No one has even CLOSE to that unless they are hacking. I believe I heard one of the big guys(Sam, Grimly, etc) had almost 1m stats. BUT that was probably with full syndicate bonuses, so no help for boss events :-(

[bald zeemer]

You most certainly can beat the boss for free, you just need to have some insanely good stats for your level, which is pretty unlikely for someone who just plays the game casually.

Using the calculator, minimum attack needed to beat the boss for free:

Level 1-25: 8,462
Level 26-50: 27,693
Level 51-75: 67,693
Level 76-100: 118,462
Level 100+: 3,076,924

Just curious to all you really high level elite guys, what kind of attack stats do you see at the best of the best? I have trouble imagining attack stats adding up to more than 3 million.

Top tier boss you need 846154.

I don't keep other tiers in my personal spreadsheet, so I don't know if your other figures are accurate.

[Rumi]

Thanks for the helpful doc...I thought the maximum number of items per boss event was 50, after which you get cash. I ran into a guy with 14 tri-color masks, 20 Irish hats, etc....to a total of 104 items from the bean town mike boss event. How is this possible? Can you buy these items with gold out of the boss event?

[bald zeemer]

You can keep beating the boss and get as many boss items as you want.

[BigMoney]

Top tier boss you need 846154.

I don't keep other tiers in my personal spreadsheet, so I don't know if your other figures are accurate.

Ah, I see. The spreadsheet in the OP has top tier boss with 40 million HP, which is what my figure was based on. But that's above my paygrade. Thanks for the info.

[bald zeemer]

30 5500000
31 6250000
32 7,000,000
33 7500000
34 8000000
35 8500000
36 9000000
37 9500000
38 10000000
39 10500000
40 11000000

Top tier, bosses 30-40.


No one has even CLOSE to that unless they are hacking. I believe I heard one of the big guys(Sam, Grimly, etc) had almost 1m stats. BUT that was probably with full syndicate bonuses, so no help for boss events :-(

Several players are above 1m, and some are significantly above it. Nobody, however, is close to 3m. I believe it is not currently possible.
The top attack scores are boosted by syndicate bonuses and several attack modifiers. I'm not sure what the highest raw attack score is, but it is definitely above 1m, as there aren't enough attack modifiers in the game to get from below 1m to current top attack.

[MattThomas08]

I have updated my calculator to reflect the correct values for Tier 5. I've also verified the values to be correct for Tier 3 and Tier 4. Enjoy!

[Glycogen]

Thanks for this!

[Hupernikomen]

Tier ii is off a bit. I just did level 10 with one 18k attack. Level 8 was just a bit higher than 13k to beat.

Lv 11 18.2k was a very little short

[Icecauldron]

Anyone know the HP of a tier 2 Lvl 40 boss? Is it still at 360?

[Hupernikomen]

Level 19 Tier 2 boss is 70k defense

From what i can tell it is

Lv 15. 50k
Lv 16. 55k
Lv 17. 60k
Lv 18. 65k
Lv 19. 70k
Lv 20 80k
Lv 21 85 or 90?

[Icecauldron]

Level 19 Tier 2 boss is 70k defense

Thanks keep updated" what's your Atk?

[Hupernikomen]

Thanks keep updated" what's your Atk?

Only 19k, so i don't i think will be able to finish.

[Icecauldron]

Only 19k, so i don't i think will be able to finish.

Prob for subsequent boss events? Or u could always use gold

[Takerinho]

Perhaps this has been answered already but I couldn't find it. Does the top tier start at level 100 or 101 and what happens if you enter a new tier in the middle of a boss event?
Thanks in advance.

[Alex_]

101 I believe

[panty sniffer]

Starts at 101. Your tier is set at the beginning of the event will not change to the next during the event. "personally verified as well as what I've read".

Calculator is off near the boss #25-30 range by two boss kills but has proven very useful still when you take this small discrepancy into account. don't use the gold totals at the bottom. Add the totals manually.

Thanks for the useful tool Matt, I plan on using it tomorrow and I hope they haven't changed much since last event.

[Takerinho]

Thanks a lot guys! Great job Matt! This 101-250 tier is a joke tho..
See yall in CC.

[Lurker]

Bookmark! Useful thread

[Invisigoth]

when will tier 4 be updated past boss 40 please?

[MattThomas08]

when will tier 4 be updated past boss 40 please?

I'll be updating this as soon as I receive the information for somebody or once I get there myself. I'll add in some data for it with assumptions once I make my way through it.

See this thread for the final numbers I worked through:

http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?58012-Epic-Boss-Tier-4-Level-41-50&p=816281&viewfull=1#post816281

[MattThomas08]

There was an error in my formula for calculating total number of gold required which has been fixed. Please make sure you download the sheet to your computer for best use.

I should also note that Level 41-50 have been added for all tiers and I'm pretty sure it's correct.

I'm currently working on trying to fix the calc to be able to account for scenarios where it takes you more hits than you'd be able to do while waiting for >1 minute and maximizing the gold refill. I just need to decide on the cutoff, I'm thinking 50 gold or so should be the cut off. In other words, if it requires more than 5 refills, use a factor of 2 refills per 10 gold and that's how much gold it will take. I'm just trying to figure out how to do that in a clean way. I'd prefer it in one cell, but I can do it in two cells...

[MattThomas08]

Epic boss calculator has been fixed. Apparently there was an issue with L41-50 in the sheet. You can access it through the link in my signature.

[jfeezy1210]

Epic boss calculator has been fixed. Apparently there was an issue with L41-50 in the sheet. You can access it through the link in my signature.

My second acct is lvl 49 (Tier 2) with actual attack 31800 and still only taking one hit on boss level 12 waiting to see if level 13 is the same...

[Beau Ner]

thanks for the info on boss lvl 45 currently. spread sheet helped me a bunch

[MattThomas08]

thanks for the info on boss lvl 45 currently. spread sheet helped me a bunch

Nice work, you're killing it already.