Irony: Tactical Officer Devin is in the game but not the forum

[Miner]

How ironic is it? The mega-unit Tactical Officer Devin, named after arguably the most beloved forum member in the past 6 months, is still available in the game. But the beloved forum member is no more.

Let's see if the new data set changes the unit name to Tactical Officer *****.

[TYR_Rune]

lol

Devin! Devin! Devin!

[lemonhaze]

How ironic is it? The mega-unit Tactical Officer Devin, named after arguably the most beloved forum member in the past 6 months, is still available in the game. But the beloved forum member is no more.

Let's see if the new data set changes the unit name to Tactical Officer *****. yup we are not allowed to express our concerns no more i suppose..i never in my wildest dreams would have thought devin would got the boot but i suppose they dont want us to see what units we can go for b4 they put them out.i know i will only do LTQs free play that way i wont lose nothing not buying gold no more ever again..lose to people during the war wit 200k stats lower then me a new ploy to get us to burn more gold not gonna happen

[CRAWFORD]

.... Its too bad...

[rare breed]

He shouldn't breaking the TOS rules then.

SCUM, i dont know how people put up with this idiot.

[rare breed]

Devin was banned because he posted that he will take action against gree for financial losses due to Gree admitting that this game is riddles with hackers and these hackers are causing problems for other players

I would love to see who sticks by Devin, so many members benefited by what Devin used to post

Who's FAKE and who's REAL?

[Arnaud]

Won't say what I think about nor discuss Gree's decision it since it's against TOS but I think we all agree on that one...

That said, I don't think it's because of the LTQ walkthrough: In the end, many players spend gold because of the rewards he makes public... Personally, I would not have gone that far last week if i didn't know there was a boost unit in stake! I'm pretty sure he originated some profits for Gree (except maybe for this week LTQ lol).

From my point of view, it's more because of the Paypal story but I guess we'll never know...

[Miner]

He shouldn't breaking the TOS rules then.

I've just re-read the terms of service document within the game. I'm failing to see where he violated the TOS in any manner. Maybe I missed something he posted? Feel free to enlighten me.

[Bosc]

TOS should be changed then. This is ridiculous! McDoc & Devin have done nothing but try to make this game better for us AND Gree. Nothing like shooting your best advocates!! I thought this forum was to help fellow members not to chase them away.
Very sad.

[Miner]

Devin was banned because he posted that he will take action against gree for financial losses due to Gree admitting that this game is riddles with hackers and these hackers are causing problems for other players

I would love to see who sticks by Devin, so many members benefited by what Devin used to post

Who's FAKE and who's REAL?

I saw this post. I'm still not abole to see how this is a violation of the TOS. Maybe there's a separate TOS for the forum use?

[Dutchie]

SCUM, i dont know how people put up with this idiot.

That is uncalled for and he's certainly not an idiot, just stating a fact. No, I don't like what happened either but the rules are quite clear, however frustrating the situation is.

[Dutchie]

I saw this post. I'm still not abole to see how this is a violation of the TOS. Maybe there's a separate TOS for the forum use?

Discussing any sort of action against GREE is forbidden.

[Arnaud]

Do you guys know other forums about Modern War and if yes do you use them too? None-Gree ones i mean.

[Meta Rage Trollbot]

He shouldn't breaking the TOS rules then.

Micky, because some now-banned person borderline-violated the ToS (ironically, showing the exploits of a true ToS Violator) here we are. The Day After. Rightfully Demanding some promises. Devin's defense of him was meant to show how serious this has become.

Without an adequate solution, the game we love will soon be discredited.

We appreciate your contributions to help Gree. But sometimes they need a kick in the *** to get stuff done.

And please guys, no name calling.

[Miner]

That is uncalled for and he's certainly not an idiot, just stating a fact. No, I don't like what happened either but the rules are quite clear, however frustrating the situation is.

I agree with you dutchie. No need to call micky SCUM! But I'm still failing to see the rule violation. I'm searching all over on the forum for the TOS. The in-game TOS doesn't appear to have been violated by anything he said. The only statement in the TOS that I can see possibly applicable is, "In addition, you agree no to use the Service or any portion of the Service to commit actions that Funzio consider, in its sole discretion, to be detrimental in any way to the Service or to any user's enjoyment of the Service."

That must be the violation that deserved a ban?

[Dutchie]

Micky, because some now-banned person borderline-violated the ToS (ironically, showing the exploits of a true ToS Violator) here we are. The Day After. Rightfully Demanding some promises. Devin's defense of him was meant to show how serious this has become.

Without an adequate solution, the game we love will soon be discredited.

We appreciate your contributions to help Gree. But sometimes they need a kick in the *** to get stuff done.

Apparently they have been working very hard over the last few months to provide an adequate solution to the issues that have been raised but unfortunately it looks like it is too little, too late...

[TheDanimal]

That said, I don't think it's because of the LTQ walkthrough: In the end, many players spend gold because of the rewards he makes public... Personally, I would not have gone that far last week if i didn't know there was a boost unit in stake! I'm pretty sure he originated some profits for Gree (except maybe for this week LTQ lol).



Agreed. I chose to do many LTQs based upon his walkthroughs. There have been ones i decided to spend money on solely because there was a very nice boost unit.

Hopefully someone picks up the torch & continues the tradition in his honor.


...as far as TOS & devin's ban - I don't know the full story, but if he violated TOS, then he is subject to consequences - even if what he was doing was morally just. Does it suck? Absolutely.

[Dutchie]

I agree with you dutchie. No need to call micky SCUM! But I'm still failing to see the rule violation. I'm searching all over on the forum for the TOS. The in-game TOS doesn't appear to have been violated by anything he said. The only statement in the TOS that I can see possibly applicable is, "In addition, you agree no to use the Service or any portion of the Service to commit actions that Funzio consider, in its sole discretion, to be detrimental in any way to the Service or to any user's enjoyment of the Service."

That must be the violation that deserved a ban?

At the end of section 8 it states -

Funzio reserves the right to determine what conduct it considers to be in violation of the rules of use or otherwise outside the intent or spirit of these ToS or the Service itself. Funzio reserves the right to take action as a result, which may include terminating your Account and prohibiting you from using the Service.

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It is a catch all statement and unfortunately Devin fell foul as soon as he mentioned action against GREE.

[Miner]

So in other words, say something we don't like, do something we don't like, or hint at something that makes us uncomfortable and we reserve the right to terminate your use of our services. Seems legit. Got it now.

I wish I had the Tactical Officer Devin unit so I could tell if that guy says something wrong and get his butt banned as well.

[lemonhaze]

the collaspe of this company because of their lack of interest to us the customers is near..i soon will be switching apps to a better regulated company..they are many more war games where we dont have to put up with this kind of abuse

[Fl@sh]

http://www.funzio.com/forum/misc.php?do=showrules

The last sentence is enough. "They" don't need a reason.

[lemonhaze]

http://www.funzio.com/forum/misc.php?do=showrules

The last sentence is enough. "They" don't need a reason. that is true flash so accodring to that they dont even have to have a reason..they can remove us if they dont like our profile avatars wow

[Dutchie]

If there had just been some sort of transparency it certainly wouldn't have got to this point. But reporting hackers and getting the standard auto-reply doesn't instill much confidence.

I agree. The situation could have been much better handled to let their customers know they are actively working on fixing certain issues and closing exploits. However, they also don't want to admit that these exploits exist as it might prevent new players from playing if they were aware of the situation. They are between a rock and a hard place but certain processes within the organisation do need to be changed.

They have also received a lot of assistance from certain players to identify these issues that they themselves might not have seen but unfortunately the focus on these problems has been too little, too late as they were more intent on delivering new content as directed by their management to increase revenues... at least that is how I see it.

Also the developer philosophy needs to change, and this is not directed at GREE alone but many software companies, where application security must be at the forefront of any development project right from the word go and not just an afterthought. Developers must always ask themselves... if I were to try to find an exploit, how would I do it and to ensure their coding prevents them from doing it.

Nothing is perfect, holes will always be found but the mindset of the designer/developer must change to think of security at every stage of the project, right from the start. This will be more beneficial to all as well as being more cost effective.

[Wai]

At the end of section 8 it states -

Funzio reserves the right to determine what conduct it considers to be in violation of the rules of use or otherwise outside the intent or spirit of these ToS or the Service itself. Funzio reserves the right to take action as a result, which may include terminating your Account and prohibiting you from using the Service.

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It is a catch all statement and unfortunately Devin fell foul as soon as he mentioned action against GREE.

It s not catch-all at all. It needs to be firmly based on policy and precedent. If you are going to police it, then police it consistently or it becomes a catch-little. I have no real idea what is allowed and what is not. I have seen threads continue for weeks that I think would breach a ToS but nothing is deleted. While I don't know exactly what he said, from the reaction here, it appears it may have been a little inconsistent and heavy handed by comparison.

Couldn't the post have been deleted and have someone contact Devin. But perhaps there was something more to this than we know.

[Arnaud]

Since TOS forbids us to talk about many things here, maybe we should talk about them somewhere else...

[Fl@sh]

that is true flash so accodring to that they dont even have to have a reason..they can remove us if they dont like our profile avatars wowExactly. "They" must protect "their" investment, at any means possible.

[Big John]

Calling someone scum is a violation of TOS

[Dutchie]

It s not catch-all at all. It needs to be firmly based on policy and precedent. If you are going to police it, then police it consistently or it becomes a catch-little. I have no real idea what is allowed and what is not. I have seen threads continue for weeks that I think would breach a ToS but nothing is deleted. While I don't know exactly what he said, from the reaction here, it appears it may have been a little inconsistent and heavy handed by comparison.

Couldn't the post have been deleted and have someone contact Devin. But perhaps there was something more to this than we know.

I refer you back to the 1st line... Funzio reserves the right to determine what conduct it considers to be in violation

Maybe that is why you see inconsistencies but for most part it has been consistent. Read earlier posts as to the reason why he was banned as I don't want to repeat myself.

[Dutchie]

Calling someone scum is a violation of TOS

Childish more like...

[Miner]

My main point is the irony of the matter. How often are units named after individual players? I can think of only one other instance and that's the Flancraft Carrier! How undeserving was that guy (sorry little buddy if you're still out there)?!

Now we have a guy who fully deserves the honor and within 3 days is banned for "violating" TOS.

[Dutchie]

Misinformed people always make rash decisions, but stupidity is no defense.

There is one born every minute they say...

[S&H Max]

Miner if you havent figured out why he as been banned from the forum send me a PM I'm almost sure I know why... Dont wont post it cause we are not suppose to talk about that and i'm not sure maybe you can help me figure out if I'm rigth. So PM if you want!

[The Mole Who am i??]

There is one born every minute they say...

This one has been about since day one,
He acts like he is part of them but doen not get paid nor does he know anything about them,
They laugh at him at HQ, "what a looser, he will never get a job here"
One who is not in the right frame of mind will always make believe
One is not born every min as your kind is limited


He will answer questions on their behalf but has no inside knowledge, he needs to change his vocabulary "MUPPET"
WHO IS THIS 1st CLASS LOSER?

[Wai]

I refer you back to the 1st line... Funzio reserves the right to determine what conduct it considers to be in violation

Maybe that is why you see inconsistencies but for most part it has been consistent. Read earlier posts as to the reason why he was banned as I don't want to repeat myself.

That doesn't change anything Dutchie.

[glitters]

that is true flash so accodring to that they dont even have to have a reason..they can remove us if they dont like our profile avatars wow

This forum is private property. You have the right to remove any person from your own property without justification. This is no different.

[Miner]

Miner if you havent figured out why he as been banned from the forum send me a PM I'm almost sure I know why... Dont wont post it cause we are not suppose to talk about that and i'm not sure maybe you can help me figure out if I'm rigth. So PM if you want!

Devin is a good friend of mine. I know exactly what he said.

[Wai]

This is not private property, it's the web. This is a public forum. But yes they can stop access if they choose and they may well have been quite justified. I expect none of us actually know what the justification was and a few have guessed or made assumptions. It would not be policy compliant for an administrator to simply wake up one morning deciding he/she will remove access for a few people. Gree is a professional publicly owned company that would have strict policies and procedures firmly in place for a while range of matters including this one.

[Trouble1]

Devin had stated that he was going to setup a PayPal account for those wishing to help with the expense of doing the LTQ walk throughs.

I can't find the info if he posted it. Does anyone know if he did? I am reading that he has been banned but would still like to pitch a few dollars his way for all of his previous and much appreciated work.

Thanks in advance.

[Sirius]

Folks please note that not all bans are perma. Some are just a brief reminder to regard the rules. I'm sure you'll see him back shortly.

Please keep things constructive.

[gingerbear]

Devin had stated that he was going to setup a PayPal account for those wishing to help with the expense of doing the LTQ walk throughs.

I can't find the info if he posted it. Does anyone know if he did? I am reading that he has been banned but would still like to pitch a few dollars his way for all of his previous and much appreciated work.

Thanks in advance.

This probably took away a lot of his incentive to ever do walkthroughs again. I wouldn't count on it.

[jchow69]

This is very ironic. I wish the best for Devin.

[Nouife]

Folks please note that not all bans are perma. Some are just a brief reminder to regard the rules. I'm sure you'll see him back shortly.

Please keep things constructive.

Only a slap on the wrist then?

Anyway, permaban or not I'm sure Devin and all the people who appreciate and respect him find this very constructive.

[njemt242]

I guess keeping people in check with the rules on the forum is easier. But then getting banned on this forum doesnt really affect gree's profit. God forbid they should ban the people that break the actual game TOS. But then if they did that then people would not spend as much on gold during these events. As much as I love this game I hope gree goes belly up by the end of the year

[ffp]

I'm sure Devin, McGurt, et al, are just sin binned, they'll be back. It isn't in Gree's best interest to keep them away.

I do believe Gree should set up a separate forum, invite only, lightly moderated for the representatives of the top100 factions. In it they can talk freely, without fear of TOS violations, about who they think isn't playing fair, why they think that, and present unredacted evidence. A mod needs to act on it and instead of hiding behind the privacy c.r.a.p, actually tell them "Yes, its a cheater" or "no, its legit."

That will calm alot of the crazies that have been popping up in the last few days.