grow up

[steveo127]

title says it all. you all are acting so spoiled, grow the f up.

remember how much you all were screaming in your schoolboy shorts when LTQs came out? how excited you were that everything was going your way, that you could boost your stats tremendously while spending less gold than you needed to before? that's all this game is about. boosting your stats and doing it the cheapest way possible.

once they introduced LTQs, it fed cannibalistically off of the other methods of spending cash on this game, people stopped spending as much on the WD events which used to be the greatest source of money for the company....it's not hard to understand...it's a company, they work to make profits...

once they see that everyone is not spending as much money as they were before, they switch it up on us. seriously is it that hard to understand? they don't owe you anything, they have all of the rights. this game is a privilege, you get it because GREE says so. you're just paying to use a service they provide.

please cease to make posts with the embarrassing, "we want compensation for missing 1 hour and 15 minutes of this LTQ, it's such bs!!! </3 " .....seriously, where's your pride? please cut it out....

spoiled little kids are all that you see on the forums now. it was clear that the LTQ's were going to be nerfed sooner or later, well guess what today is that day. and i'll let you in on a little secret; the next LTQ is going to be just as hard....


so please:
-quit the incessant complaining
-stop feeling self entitled
-stop spamming fake threads over LE buildings
-unless you've ever spent a bar of gold that you actually paid for (not the little handouts that GREE gave you as a gift) please don't post saying anything about compensation



edit: for agreeing with posting rules

[Oceanz]

I agree with you about people begging for compensation for the event coming in late

But people have every right to complain about this "freemium" app becoming more and more of a cash-grab

Of course they don't owe us anything, they know people will spend money on this app regardless of what they will do, but you seem to be taking the polar opposite stance of the people who are complaining, but acting like a 70k+ energy event that nets 5k/5k A/D is a good trend based on the last LTQ events

[steveo127]

sorry a slight bit conused. typo in your comment maybe?

I agree with you about people begging for compensation for the event coming in late

But people have every right to complain about this "freemium" app becoming more and more of a cash-grab

Of course they don't owe us anything, they know people will spend money on this app regardless of what they will do, but you seem to be taking the polar opposite stance of the people who are complaining, but acting like a 70k+ energy event that nets 5k/5k A/D is a good trend based on the last LTQ events

[CDR Shepard]

I agree with you about people begging for compensation for the event coming in late

But people have every right to complain about this "freemium" app becoming more and more of a cash-grab

Of course they don't owe us anything, they know people will spend money on this app regardless of what they will do, but you seem to be taking the polar opposite stance of the people who are complaining, but acting like a 70k+ energy event that nets 5k/5k A/D is a good trend based on the last LTQ events

Yeah this is true too, they did kinda make the LTQ unplayable on the value side of it

[DanL]

shut up with the stupid, "we want compensation for missing 1 hour and 15 minutes of this LTQ, it's such bs!!! </3 " .....seriously? most of us are adults...wake up fools!

spoiled little kids are all that you see on the forums now. it was clear that the LTQ's were going to be nerfed sooner or later, well guess what today is that day. and i'll let you in on a little secret; the next LTQ is going to be just as hard. so quit your b!tching and complaining...seriously...immature...

I have never asked for compensation since I am mostly free play during my off hours from work. I agree with you that at first the LTQ event was really easy in terms of stat boosting without much time. However. Please don't call me, (or most of the people on this forum) immature because we like to voice our opinions.

I knew since joining a faction and competing in my first WD event that this game is revolved around people who spend money. I really loved it when they came out with the LQT because it gave the free players an alleyway to obtaining good stats without going bonkers on their bank account.

Honestly I don't know why they made two LTQ events within three weeks other than the fact for them to make more money, which is just greed pure and simple. I don't mind Gree making money, but that crosses the line in terms of morality. That doesn't make me a whiner, my friend. What was really immature was the quote I copied. I don't like disrespect and that, Steveo, was very disrespectful.

[TYR_Rune]

I think you are the one who should "grow up" cuz u understand aint a thing..

Players make complains to suggest an improvement to the game.. Its so simple for your brain to digest, right?

And why so bothered to the point of creating a lengthy thread? People arent complaining to you, people makes complain to Gree..

So please, GROW UP AND ENJOY THE SHOW..:)

[General Soviet]

I have to agree with you. We can't get infuriated every time our LTQ doesn't appear the exact second it's supposed to, and we certainly shouldn't expect compensation because of the delay.

[amir1974]

title says it all. you all are acting so spoiled, grow the f up.

remember how much you all were screaming in your schoolboy shorts when LTQs came out? how excited you were that everything was going your way, that you could boost your stats tremendously with spending less gold than you needed to before? that's all this game is about. boosting your stats. doing it the cheapest way possible.

once they introduced LTQs, it fed cannibalistically off of the other methods of spending cash on this game, people stopped spending as much on the WD events which used to be the greatest source of money for the company....it's not hard to understand...it's a company, they work to make profits...

once they see that everyone is not spending as much money as they were before, they switch it up on us. seriously is it that hard to understand? they don't owe you anything, they have all of the rights. this game is a privilege, you get it because GREE says so. you're just paying to use a service they provide.

shut up with the stupid, "we want compensation for missing 1 hour and 15 minutes of this LTQ, it's such bs!!! </3 " .....seriously? most of us are adults...wake up fools!

spoiled little kids are all that you see on the forums now. it was clear that the LTQ's were going to be nerfed sooner or later, well guess what today is that day. and i'll let you in on a little secret; the next LTQ is going to be just as hard. so quit your b!tching and complaining...seriously...immature...


totally agree with you , wise Words , hope everyone will read and understand

[TYR_Rune]

I beg to differ, TOTALLY DISAGREE.

[steveo127]

I'll agree with you there I definitely wrote some words in haste; but I still don't see how it is that people are writing out complaint threads, going so far as to make polls and blame GREE for not meeting their customer's needs, moaning over them not showing great customer satisfaction...etc. etc.

I guess what I should have ended my post with was some sort of concluding paragraph saying:
everything that happens is for a reason, and you have to think from the perspective of the game developers and the company that is trying to make money

I apologize for the rude remarks I made at the end and I commend you on not trolling and thank you for constructively critiquing my argument. good man DanL

I have never asked for compensation since I am mostly free play during my off hours from work. I agree with you that at first the LTQ event was really easy in terms of stat boosting without much time. However. Please don't call me, (or most of the people on this forum) immature because we like to voice our opinions.

I knew since joining a faction and competing in my first WD event that this game is revolved around people who spend money. I really loved it when they came out with the LQT because it gave the free players an alleyway to obtaining good stats without going bonkers on their bank account.

Honestly I don't know why they made two LTQ events within three weeks other than the fact for them to make more money, which is just greed pure and simple. I don't mind Gree making money, but that crosses the line in terms of morality. That doesn't make me a whiner, my friend. What was really immature was the quote I copied. I don't like disrespect and that, Steveo, was very disrespectful.

[DanL]

Like my post said I completely agree about the compensation some people think they, "deserve." If your time was inconvenienced then it was a mistake. I don't know about some of you, but I came from FFXI and that was some good and bad times. They might've performed emergency maintenance for messing up the patch, but nobody ever asked for compensation. Hell I remember when they messed up the math on my Samurai and I wtfpwned a powerful boss, (Kirin if anyone knows) with 4 weapon skills in 15 seconds to gank 45% of his health which was ungodly at the time. Lol

[Oceanz]

no typo in my comment

there are certainly a small minority, perhaps a vocal minority, a lunatic fringe if you will, that will complain about anything

but players have every right to complain about an event taking 70k+ energy to complete just the normal mode, when many of those players enable gree to make this app a privilege as you call it

i've played this app for about 18 months and spent maybe $75 on it, i've never finished the regular mode of an LTQ, but while the customer isn't always right, the paying customer always has the right to express their opinions, even if they come across as b1tching to some people

[jjm521]

No idea how to post images in here, but http://tinyurl.com/ohtn34s 😉

[Sirius]

Greetings,

We appreciate the differing opinions on some of the good, the bad and the ugly aspects of things..but, please keep it constructive folks. This means your comments to us and your fellow users should be in line to the forum guidelines as much as possible.

Forum rules below:

http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?47705-Posting-Guidelines-*Updated-3-6-13*

~Sirius

[steveo127]

understood. appropriate changes will be made now.


Greetings,

We appreciate the differing opinions on some of the good, the bad and the ugly aspects of things..but, please keep it constructive folks. This means your comments to us and your fellow users should be in line to the forum guidelines as much as possible.

Forum rules below:

http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?47705-Posting-Guidelines-*Updated-3-6-13*

~Sirius

[DanL]

I'll agree with you there I definitely wrote some words in haste; but I still don't see how it is that people are writing out complaint threads, going so far as to make polls and blame GREE for not meeting their customer's needs, moaning over them not showing great customer satisfaction...etc. etc.

I guess what I should have ended my post with was some sort of concluding paragraph saying:
everything that happens is for a reason, and you have to think from the perspective of the game developers and the company that is trying to make money

I apologize for the rude remarks I made at the end and I commend you on not trolling and thank you for constructively critiquing my argument. good man DanL

No problem, my friend. There's no reason for me to taunt you by, "Trolling." Speaking of that, since we all need a good laugh might I suggest to everyone to go to YouTube and type in "Factual Facts of Gaming" by Jonnyethco. By far made me literally lol watching those episodes. Another good one is Battlefield Friends by Happy Hour.

Enjoy! I command you to watch those videos! Ha!

[DME]

If a game becomes more of a chore and a money grab than it is enjoyable then people will start questioning why they even bother. It's a balancing act and unfortunately with this latest LTQ they have got the balance wrong.

I do agree that demanding compensation for every little thing and spamming multiple threads with the same topic is way over the top though.

[DanL]

If a game becomes more of a chore and a money grab than it is enjoyable then people will start questioning why they even bother. It's a balancing act and unfortunately with this latest LTQ they have got the balance wrong.

I do agree that demanding compensation for every little thing and spamming multiple threads with the same topic is way over the top though.

Yes. It was rather annoying yesterday with everyone spamming fake posts about the LTQ.

[KFH]

The forums seem to have less and less information. I think we were getting more info before people started turning all militant on this game.

[steveo127]

my point exactly. and while I know this thread is almost hypocritical in that it does not further the betterment of the players of this game, I believe it to be better since it raises a finger at the multitudes of threads that have no substance


The forums seem to have less and less information. I think we were getting more info before people started turning all militant on this game.

[Generik79]

@Sirius--My constructive, forum rule aligning criticism is that this Ltq is incredibly horrible. It is not just difficult enough to cost and require some game dedication for a reasonable reward. Instead, it is off the charts bad for difficulty and ROI. All this on the heels of your reward unit bonus snafu in the last Ltq, and terrible planning in releasing this and the now reasonably expected le building. Get a grip, folks. Please, for the sake of the game's future.

[Rough Neck]

title says it all. you all are acting so spoiled, grow the f up.

remember how much you all were screaming in your schoolboy shorts when LTQs came out? how excited you were that everything was going your way, that you could boost your stats tremendously with spending less gold than you needed to before? that's all this game is about. boosting your stats. doing it the cheapest way possible.

once they introduced LTQs, it fed cannibalistically off of the other methods of spending cash on this game, people stopped spending as much on the WD events which used to be the greatest source of money for the company....it's not hard to understand...it's a company, they work to make profits...

once they see that everyone is not spending as much money as they were before, they switch it up on us. seriously is it that hard to understand? they don't owe you anything, they have all of the rights. this game is a privilege, you get it because GREE says so. you're just paying to use a service they provide.

shut up with the stupid, "we want compensation for missing 1 hour and 15 minutes of this LTQ, it's such bs!!! </3 " .....seriously, where's your pride? please cut it out....

spoiled little kids are all that you see on the forums now. it was clear that the LTQ's were going to be nerfed sooner or later, well guess what today is that day. and i'll let you in on a little secret; the next LTQ is going to be just as hard....


so please:
-quit the incessant complaining
-stop feeling self entitled
-stop spamming fake threads over LE buildings
-unless you've ever spent a bar of gold that you actually paid for (not the little handouts that GREE gave you as a gift) please don't post saying anything about compensation



edit: for agreeing with posting rules

.....LIAR.....

[TYR_Rune]

my point exactly. and while I know this thread is almost hypocritical in that it does not further the betterment of the players of this game, I believe it to be better since it raises a finger at the multitudes of threads that have no substance


"No substance" Thats right!

And you said it yourself.. "I know this thread is almost hypocritical in that it does not further the betterment of the players of this game"

So what substance does this thread have? ;P

[Lyle_Henderson]

title says it all. you all are acting so spoiled, grow the f up.

remember how much you all were screaming in your schoolboy shorts when LTQs came out? how excited you were that everything was going your way, that you could boost your stats tremendously with spending less gold than you needed to before? that's all this game is about. boosting your stats. doing it the cheapest way possible.

once they introduced LTQs, it fed cannibalistically off of the other methods of spending cash on this game, people stopped spending as much on the WD events which used to be the greatest source of money for the company....it's not hard to understand...it's a company, they work to make profits...

once they see that everyone is not spending as much money as they were before, they switch it up on us. seriously is it that hard to understand? they don't owe you anything, they have all of the rights. this game is a privilege, you get it because GREE says so. you're just paying to use a service they provide.

shut up with the stupid, "we want compensation for missing 1 hour and 15 minutes of this LTQ, it's such bs!!! </3 " .....seriously, where's your pride? please cut it out....

spoiled little kids are all that you see on the forums now. it was clear that the LTQ's were going to be nerfed sooner or later, well guess what today is that day. and i'll let you in on a little secret; the next LTQ is going to be just as hard....


so please:
-quit the incessant complaining
-stop feeling self entitled
-stop spamming fake threads over LE buildings
-unless you've ever spent a bar of gold that you actually paid for (not the little handouts that GREE gave you as a gift) please don't post saying anything about compensation



edit: for agreeing with posting rules The CARTEL: out of all people are going to post stop complaining are you serious or is this a joke? You guys complain more than anyone else in MW and your going to tell people to stop complaining? Weren't you guys the ones complaining about how much money you were spending, oh and how Gree is cheating the players, and how to save gold and money joining you guys, STFU you are the last ones who need to be posting anything saying stop complaining, we are players have the right to complain, you now do not you hypocritical idiot

[Rough Neck]

The CARTEL: out of all people are going to post stop complaining are you serious or is this a joke? You guys complain more than anyone else in MW and your going to tell people to stop complaining? Weren't you guys the ones complaining about how much money you were spending, oh and how Gree is cheating the players, and how to save gold and money joining you guys, STFU you are the last ones who need to be posting anything saying stop complaining, we are players have the right to complain, you now do not you hypocritical idiot

.....++1:cool:

[TYR_Rune]

The CARTEL: out of all people are going to post stop complaining are you serious or is this a joke? You guys complain more than anyone else in MW and your going to tell people to stop complaining? Weren't you guys the ones complaining about how much money you were spending, oh and how Gree is cheating the players, and how to save gold and money joining you guys, STFU you are the last ones who need to be posting anything saying stop complaining, we are players have the right to complain, you now do not you hypocritical idiot

You nailed it man! Im gonna give you a +3 thumb-ups!

[steveo127]

quite rude to attack someone for their signature, with no regard to their message, wouldn't you say?

I've had that up since post-Ireland. I was one of the two people who came up with the whole idea of "The Cartel", along with PIRATE JUSTICE who has since been banned. So pardon me if you have heard bad things of the new way the idea has spread.

In case you would like to know what I stood for in the past, and what "The Cartel" is really all about, you may go check out some of these posts I had made in the past

http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?53517-Greatest-Spenders-vs.-Greatest-Players...an-Essay-on-how-Colombia-should-be-Decided

http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?53582-the-BIGGEST-HACKER-in-all-of-Modern-War!!!-MUST-SEE!!


I now give you permission to go read my thoughts of old and see what the Cartel was supposed to have become. Of course I am not responsible for the direction this idea has taken some to go, or for those who claim to be independent owner-operators of the Cartel only to mask their inappropriate actions under some name other than the faction in which they participate.

Also before you troll more, please note that the comments I may have made in the past may not still hold true at present; if you have any concerns destructive criticisms please feel free to PM me. Otherwise any constructive critiques would be greatly appreciated, as I firmly believe that nothing is perfect, and input from many is required in order to refine and create the best possible outcome.

Thank you




The CARTEL: out of all people are going to post stop complaining are you serious or is this a joke? You guys complain more than anyone else in MW and your going to tell people to stop complaining? Weren't you guys the ones complaining about how much money you were spending, oh and how Gree is cheating the players, and how to save gold and money joining you guys, STFU you are the last ones who need to be posting anything saying stop complaining, we are players have the right to complain, you now do not you hypocritical idiot

[TYR_Rune]

quite rude to attack someone for their signature, with no regard to their message, wouldn't you say?

I've had that up since post-Ireland. I was one of the two people who came up with the whole idea of "The Cartel", along with PIRATE JUSTICE who has since been banned. So pardon me if you have heard bad things of the new way the idea has spread.

In case you would like to know what I stood for in the past, and what "The Cartel" is really all about, you may go check out some of these posts I had made in the past

http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?53517-Greatest-Spenders-vs.-Greatest-Players...an-Essay-on-how-Colombia-should-be-Decided

http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?53582-the-BIGGEST-HACKER-in-all-of-Modern-War!!!-MUST-SEE!!


I now give you permission to go read my thoughts of old and see what the Cartel was supposed to have become. Of course I am not responsible for the direction this idea has taken some to go, or for those who claim to be independent owner-operators of the Cartel only to mask their inappropriate actions under some name other than the faction in which they participate.

Also before you troll more, please note that the comments I may have made in the past may not still hold true at present; if you have any concerns destructive criticisms please feel free to PM me. Otherwise any constructive critiques would be greatly appreciated, as I firmly believe that nothing is perfect, and input from many is required in order to refine and create the best possible outcome.

Thank you




I truly feel like I'm talking to a 12 year old 6th grader...

...stop complaining please...although I must admit that I like your dinosaur pole dancing..


Now you get a dose of your own medicine...:P

You are a supporter of the Cartel, and you should be more sympathetic to the player's problem... We are all into this game, so you should at least be more considerate..

[steveo127]

what are you talking about when you say I am a supporter of the Cartel? And what can you possibly mean by I am getting a dose of my own medicine?

I have sympathy for your complaining. Player's problems in my book are spending problems, ones that they can control. People have no bearing on the way this game will go, that is none of my concern nor was it ever my or PJ's concern. We only cared that people reassessed their spending budgets because we had heard many stories of real-life problems caused by overspending on this game as the excitement built upon itself during the first few WD events.

do not make false accusations about me and correlate my name with the current actions of the boundary-less group that is collectively using the "Cartel" moniker to exploit others in-game.

I am only considerate of those who have spending problems. I am indifferent to those who spend wildly. I am annoyed by those who have spending problems and seek no help and complain. I am flabbergasted by the people who make whole threads on bashing this company and its practices simply because they overspend on a game and expect the developers to make the in-game events go their way and whine and complain like Veruca Salt wanting a Golden-Egg-laying Goose when things don't their way, surprise surprise!


Now you get a dose of your own medicine...:P

You are a supporter of the Cartel, and you should be more sympathetic to the player's problem... We are all into this game, so you should at least be more considerate..

[bostoncard]

title says it all. you all are acting so spoiled, grow the f up.

remember how much you all were screaming in your schoolboy shorts when LTQs came out? how excited you were that everything was going your way, that you could boost your stats tremendously while spending less gold than you needed to before? that's all this game is about. boosting your stats and doing it the cheapest way possible.

once they introduced LTQs, it fed cannibalistically off of the other methods of spending cash on this game, people stopped spending as much on the WD events which used to be the greatest source of money for the company....it's not hard to understand...it's a company, they work to make profits...

once they see that everyone is not spending as much money as they were before, they switch it up on us. seriously is it that hard to understand? they don't owe you anything, they have all of the rights. this game is a privilege, you get it because GREE says so. you're just paying to use a service they provide.

please cease to make posts with the embarrassing, "we want compensation for missing 1 hour and 15 minutes of this LTQ, it's such bs!!! </3 " .....seriously, where's your pride? please cut it out....

spoiled little kids are all that you see on the forums now. it was clear that the LTQ's were going to be nerfed sooner or later, well guess what today is that day. and i'll let you in on a little secret; the next LTQ is going to be just as hard....


so please:
-quit the incessant complaining
-stop feeling self entitled
-stop spamming fake threads over LE buildings
-unless you've ever spent a bar of gold that you actually paid for (not the little handouts that GREE gave you as a gift) please don't post saying anything about compensation



edit: for agreeing with posting rules

I understand the frustration at reading the non-stop posts *****ing and moaning about how GREE did this, GREE did that, etc. It is a bit tedious to read many of the posts on this board. However, I do get the sense that there is a very real frustration bubbling up to the surface, and the tenor of this forum reflects it. I think it is a credit to the initial game designers that the response has been to whine on the message boards and not to quit the game entirely. It is a testament to how strong the hooks are. Still, I think there is very real danger that the game will enter a death spiral where fewer and fewer paying players mean that GREE becomes increasingly desperate to milk the remaining cash it can out of the game by rushing events out the door and devoting less and less resources to resolving complaints and improving the gameplay. This then turns off more and more players until in the end all that is left is a small contingent of die hards and a lot of abandoned bases, until the money that GREE brings in from the game is insufficient to pay for the continued server resources and they hit the kill switch.

Yes, a lot of people's attitudes really suck on this board. But I think a lot of people are sourpusses because the game they love is becoming increasingly frustrating. In the spirit of friendly feedback, I'll offer my 2 cents, because posts complaining about the fact that people are complaining are really no more constructive than the original complaints.

I agree with the myriad of polls that have suggested that the events are too frequent. There is a real risk of burnout here amongst the hardcore who may be reluctant to simply take some events off. But, more importantly, the marathon of events is putting a lot of strain on the developers and it is showing up in the quality of the product. Deadlines are being missed so events don't start when they are supposed to. Glitches and bugs are becoming all too commonplace, both the trivial (a mission in the current LTQ being described incorrectly; an entire mission in the prior LTQ being skipped) and the significant (the recycling of units that happened in the last LTQ, and the unstackability of the units). I'm not sure if the server crash that occurred today is related or not, but I really can't help but thinking that if GREE slowed down a little, maybe things would start on time, and the QA process would have more time to catch little bugs and glitches, and the various departments within the team would have more time to talk to one another, thereby reducing the risk of miscommunications. I recognize it is impossible to stamp them all out, and that the developers are human, but I really think it would be a better product.

The other thing that slowing down would do would be to let GREE think about how their gameplay choices are likely to affect player behavior more closely. The recent bout of hyperinflation over the last three or so months seems to be a product of GREE not really thinking of the consequences of their actions. And I think what they are learning from this LTQ is that once the inflation genie is out of the bottle, it is tough to stuff back in, because inflation creates expectations among consumers. I imagine the developers started to realize that all the goodies that were bing given away were producing short term bursts of spending but alienating longtime gold players. The most recent LTQ appears to be in response to that, but most players, having tasted great units for little gold, are going to be reluctant to spend any on this one; and if they do and are sorely disappointed will be unlikely to spend gold on the next one. I would be very surprised if the current LTQ isn't a financial disaster for GREE, at least comparatively speaking. All of this is entirely predictable.

GREE can do what it wants. I have every expectation that they will try to maximize their profits from the game, as they should. They created a very compelling game, and, more importantly, figured out a way to effectively monetize it. But I think they are risk sacrificing the long term viability of the game by being short sighted. I hope they (and you) take this post in the spirit it is intended, which is as constructive suggestions to make the game we all enjoy (after all, who is stupid enough to be part of a forum of a game that does not bring them enjoyment) better and viable for a long time to come. I think that would constitute a win for both us players and the game maker.

[Rough Neck]

Now you get a dose of your own medicine...:P

You are a supporter of the Cartel, and you should be more sympathetic to the player's problem... We are all into this game, so you should at least be more considerate..

.....+++1.....

[Rough Neck]

what are you talking about when you say I am a supporter of the Cartel? And what can you possibly mean by I am getting a dose of my own medicine?

I have sympathy for your complaining. Player's problems in my book are spending problems, ones that they can control. People have no bearing on the way this game will go, that is none of my concern nor was it ever my or PJ's concern. We only cared that people reassessed their spending budgets because we had heard many stories of real-life problems caused by overspending on this game as the excitement built upon itself during the first few WD events.

do not make false accusations about me and correlate my name with the current actions of the boundary-less group that is collectively using the "Cartel" moniker to exploit others in-game.

I am only considerate of those who have spending problems. I am indifferent to those who spend wildly. I am annoyed by those who have spending problems and seek no help and complain. I am flabbergasted by the people who make whole threads on bashing this company and its practices simply because they overspend on a game and expect the developers to make the in-game events go their way and whine and complain like Veruca Salt wanting a Golden-Egg-laying Goose when things don't their way, surprise surprise!

.....LIAR.....

[I am a cow]

I beg to differ, TOTALLY DISAGREE.

BOOO! ;) I beg to differ with you although you have a valid point i really dont see the point of arguing against

[OB WAN]

I understand the frustration at reading the non-stop posts *****ing and moaning about how GREE did this, GREE did that, etc. It is a bit tedious to read many of the posts on this board. However, I do get the sense that there is a very real frustration bubbling up to the surface, and the tenor of this forum reflects it. I think it is a credit to the initial game designers that the response has been to whine on the message boards and not to quit the game entirely. It is a testament to how strong the hooks are. Still, I think there is very real danger that the game will enter a death spiral where fewer and fewer paying players mean that GREE becomes increasingly desperate to milk the remaining cash it can out of the game by rushing events out the door and devoting less and less resources to resolving complaints and improving the gameplay. This then turns off more and more players until in the end all that is left is a small contingent of die hards and a lot of abandoned bases, until the money that GREE brings in from the game is insufficient to pay for the continued server resources and they hit the kill switch.

Yes, a lot of people's attitudes really suck on this board. But I think a lot of people are sourpusses because the game they love is becoming increasingly frustrating. In the spirit of friendly feedback, I'll offer my 2 cents, because posts complaining about the fact that people are complaining are really no more constructive than the original complaints.

I agree with the myriad of polls that have suggested that the events are too frequent. There is a real risk of burnout here amongst the hardcore who may be reluctant to simply take some events off. But, more importantly, the marathon of events is putting a lot of strain on the developers and it is showing up in the quality of the product. Deadlines are being missed so events don't start when they are supposed to. Glitches and bugs are becoming all too commonplace, both the trivial (a mission in the current LTQ being described incorrectly; an entire mission in the prior LTQ being skipped) and the significant (the recycling of units that happened in the last LTQ, and the unstackability of the units). I'm not sure if the server crash that occurred today is related or not, but I really can't help but thinking that if GREE slowed down a little, maybe things would start on time, and the QA process would have more time to catch little bugs and glitches, and the various departments within the team would have more time to talk to one another, thereby reducing the risk of miscommunications. I recognize it is impossible to stamp them all out, and that the developers are human, but I really think it would be a better product.

The other thing that slowing down would do would be to let GREE think about how their gameplay choices are likely to affect player behavior more closely. The recent bout of hyperinflation over the last three or so months seems to be a product of GREE not really thinking of the consequences of their actions. And I think what they are learning from this LTQ is that once the inflation genie is out of the bottle, it is tough to stuff back in, because inflation creates expectations among consumers. I imagine the developers started to realize that all the goodies that were bing given away were producing short term bursts of spending but alienating longtime gold players. The most recent LTQ appears to be in response to that, but most players, having tasted great units for little gold, are going to be reluctant to spend any on this one; and if they do and are sorely disappointed will be unlikely to spend gold on the next one. I would be very surprised if the current LTQ isn't a financial disaster for GREE, at least comparatively speaking. All of this is entirely predictable.

GREE can do what it wants. I have every expectation that they will try to maximize their profits from the game, as they should. They created a very compelling game, and, more importantly, figured out a way to effectively monetize it. But I think they are risk sacrificing the long term viability of the game by being short sighted. I hope they (and you) take this post in the spirit it is intended, which is as constructive suggestions to make the game we all enjoy (after all, who is stupid enough to be part of a forum of a game that does not bring them enjoyment) better and viable for a long time to come. I think that would constitute a win for both us players and the game maker.


Well said, my thoughts exactly. Hopefully GREE reads your statement and make changes for the benefit of the player and the company, not just one.

Current LTQ event is a very big disappointment. As mentioned above, too much of a drastic change is not good. At first, most players were happy that GREE was recognizing Devin for all he has done, but as the walkthrough progressed, it felt more like an insult. Even to the point that Devin himself was disappointed/ furious.

I enjoy this game but it may be the last game I will play with GREE/ Funzio. Customer Service is important for a business to succeed. Every complaint cant be addressed but a majority of the same complaint should. Maybe its time to slow down, as mentioned before. QA the product more, dont burn out your players with continuous events.... or WD events more than once a month.

[Agent Orange]

what are you talking about when you say I am a supporter of the Cartel? And what can you possibly mean by I am getting a dose of my own medicine?

I have sympathy for your complaining. Player's problems in my book are spending problems, ones that they can control. People have no bearing on the way this game will go, that is none of my concern nor was it ever my or PJ's concern. We only cared that people reassessed their spending budgets because we had heard many stories of real-life problems caused by overspending on this game as the excitement built upon itself during the first few WD events.

do not make false accusations about me and correlate my name with the current actions of the boundary-less group that is collectively using the "Cartel" moniker to exploit others in-game.

I am only considerate of those who have spending problems. I am indifferent to those who spend wildly. I am annoyed by those who have spending problems and seek no help and complain. I am flabbergasted by the people who make whole threads on bashing this company and its practices simply because they overspend on a game and expect the developers to make the in-game events go their way and whine and complain like Veruca Salt wanting a Golden-Egg-laying Goose when things don't their way, surprise surprise!

Perhaps you should change your graphics then as your op is hypocritical because regardless of the message your are trying to send now that is undermining it.

I also don't buy into the argument that the LTQs were making Gree less money, in fact as someone who barely spends any money on the game they actually got me spending because there was real value for my money.

Compensation, in some cases I think it is justified, perhaps not for the changes to the LTQ but certainly for those spending money on the boss event that went down due to server issues. I'm sure if those affected posted a polite ticket to support they would get compensation....

In terms of forum noise, yup it's bad. But then I just use the ignore feature or just ignore threads that are pointless and give a low rating.

[TYR_Rune]

I understand the frustration at reading the non-stop posts *****ing and moaning about how GREE did this, GREE did that, etc. It is a bit tedious to read many of the posts on this board. However, I do get the sense that there is a very real frustration bubbling up to the surface, and the tenor of this forum reflects it. I think it is a credit to the initial game designers that the response has been to whine on the message boards and not to quit the game entirely. It is a testament to how strong the hooks are. Still, I think there is very real danger that the game will enter a death spiral where fewer and fewer paying players mean that GREE becomes increasingly desperate to milk the remaining cash it can out of the game by rushing events out the door and devoting less and less resources to resolving complaints and improving the gameplay. This then turns off more and more players until in the end all that is left is a small contingent of die hards and a lot of abandoned bases, until the money that GREE brings in from the game is insufficient to pay for the continued server resources and they hit the kill switch.

Yes, a lot of people's attitudes really suck on this board. But I think a lot of people are sourpusses because the game they love is becoming increasingly frustrating. In the spirit of friendly feedback, I'll offer my 2 cents, because posts complaining about the fact that people are complaining are really no more constructive than the original complaints.

I agree with the myriad of polls that have suggested that the events are too frequent. There is a real risk of burnout here amongst the hardcore who may be reluctant to simply take some events off. But, more importantly, the marathon of events is putting a lot of strain on the developers and it is showing up in the quality of the product. Deadlines are being missed so events don't start when they are supposed to. Glitches and bugs are becoming all too commonplace, both the trivial (a mission in the current LTQ being described incorrectly; an entire mission in the prior LTQ being skipped) and the significant (the recycling of units that happened in the last LTQ, and the unstackability of the units). I'm not sure if the server crash that occurred today is related or not, but I really can't help but thinking that if GREE slowed down a little, maybe things would start on time, and the QA process would have more time to catch little bugs and glitches, and the various departments within the team would have more time to talk to one another, thereby reducing the risk of miscommunications. I recognize it is impossible to stamp them all out, and that the developers are human, but I really think it would be a better product.

The other thing that slowing down would do would be to let GREE think about how their gameplay choices are likely to affect player behavior more closely. The recent bout of hyperinflation over the last three or so months seems to be a product of GREE not really thinking of the consequences of their actions. And I think what they are learning from this LTQ is that once the inflation genie is out of the bottle, it is tough to stuff back in, because inflation creates expectations among consumers. I imagine the developers started to realize that all the goodies that were bing given away were producing short term bursts of spending but alienating longtime gold players. The most recent LTQ appears to be in response to that, but most players, having tasted great units for little gold, are going to be reluctant to spend any on this one; and if they do and are sorely disappointed will be unlikely to spend gold on the next one. I would be very surprised if the current LTQ isn't a financial disaster for GREE, at least comparatively speaking. All of this is entirely predictable.

GREE can do what it wants. I have every expectation that they will try to maximize their profits from the game, as they should. They created a very compelling game, and, more importantly, figured out a way to effectively monetize it. But I think they are risk sacrificing the long term viability of the game by being short sighted. I hope they (and you) take this post in the spirit it is intended, which is as constructive suggestions to make the game we all enjoy (after all, who is stupid enough to be part of a forum of a game that does not bring them enjoyment) better and viable for a long time to come. I think that would constitute a win for both us players and the game maker.


Perhaps you should change your graphics then as your op is hypocritical because regardless of the message your are trying to send now that is undermining it.

I also don't buy into the argument that the LTQs were making Gree less money, in fact as someone who barely spends any money on the game they actually got me spending because there was real value for my money.

Compensation, in some cases I think it is justified, perhaps not for the changes to the LTQ but certainly for those spending money on the boss event that went down due to server issues. I'm sure if those affected posted a polite ticket to support they would get compensation....

In terms of forum noise, yup it's bad. But then I just use the ignore feature or just ignore threads that are pointless and give a low rating.

This thread is basically contradicting itself.. and seems to me just looking for an attention..

He is moaning and groaning that disappointed players are moaning and groaning LOL.. As if that will prevent people from posting their complaints since the dissatisfactions of players just keeps growing day by day..

[Philly982]

I have to agree that many complaints are unwarranted. As far as the LTQs are concerned, they are what they are. It is up to the player to choose to participate in it or not. With such a great member such as Devin, we all have the information to decide upon ourselves whether it is worth the investment of time, energy, xp, and gold. I do feel bad for Devin since they knew he would complete the event with haste. My one complaint is that I have never received the gold that I purchased before the Colombia event. I am not asking for any sort of compensation for the delay, just merely the gold that I paid for. Support was excellent to start with a prompt reply, but admitted to needing to research the matter which I completely understand. However, it has now taken so long that I am afraid that I may now not be able to receive a refund if I do not ever receive the gold. I am willing to give them more time, but does anyone know how long since a purchase was rendered that you can still get a refund from Google Wallet?

[Agent Orange]

Going back through some of this I see a couple of things, trolls for one so a lot of these 'arguements' are artificially skewed.

But more important is this sentiment that video game consumers have no rights or expectation of fair treatment and working products. Seriously, you folks in that camp are happy to accept whatever gruel a video game company foists on you?

Yes the analogy of the hamburger might appear to be extreme but if as a consumer you are willing to give up any or as it appears all rights then it is akin to letting a company spit in your face. No I'm not saying Gree has reached this point and in fact I suddenly see a real effort on the part of customer service to try and help us but this nonsense of accepting subpar products is not a good thing....

[steveo127]

for that I would contact Google first, if you are still waiting on a reply from GREE. it seems to me that a lot of the time, they will begin ot get started on addressing your issue but then thuosands of other petty complaints come in and then you are screwed over and you get pushed to the back as the customer service representatives have to sift through piles of "give me more, give me more" complaints.

I had an issue and contacted Apple directly, and got a full refund, just before Colombia. good luck in your case.


also, Agent Orange:

GREE must be losing money in their view. on the LTQ's? no of course not. overall? probably. that's why they nerfed the LTQs.



lets say $100 was all that GREE got in money from all the players in the world of Modern War

let's say that $10 was earned from everyday purchases by players such as on gold units, or a composite factory etc.
let's say that $25 was earned from purchases by players to continue playing LTQs
let's that that $65 was earned from purchases by players to earn WD points


now lets see how things happen when the LTQs become ridiculously overpowered, in that you get more bang for your buck

now lets say $80 was all that GREE got in money from all the players in the world of Modern War

let's say that $10 was earned from everyday purchases by players such as on gold units, or a composite factory etc.
let's that that $25 was earned from purchases by players to earn WD points
let's say that $45 was earned from purchases by players to continue playing LTQs

why now does it add up to $80 for GREE? because of the money spent by players to earn WD points, if $40 worth of them instead spend their money on LTQs they can earn the same stats for much less.


this is what is meant when I say the LTQs cannibalize the other efforts of earning money on the company's part....




if that's too hard of an explanation, look up some of the articles that were before the unveiling of the iPad Mini. there was great concern that the Mini would cannibalize the sales of the larger iPad...


seriously people, if you want to understand why things are the way they are, just look at the situation trough the eyes of people trying to earn money....gosh I swear I could make so much money off of all of you if I worked at GREE lol....

be smarter about your money!!! go read an original Cartel article lol.



my next thread will be about proper and improper usage of the Contact Support button




I have to agree that many complaints are unwarranted. As far as the LTQs are concerned, they are what they are. It is up to the player to choose to participate in it or not. With such a great member such as Devin, we all have the information to decide upon ourselves whether it is worth the investment of time, energy, xp, and gold. I do feel bad for Devin since they knew he would complete the event with haste. My one complaint is that I have never received the gold that I purchased before the Colombia event. I am not asking for any sort of compensation for the delay, just merely the gold that I paid for. Support was excellent to start with a prompt reply, but admitted to needing to research the matter which I completely understand. However, it has now taken so long that I am afraid that I may now not be able to receive a refund if I do not ever receive the gold. I am willing to give them more time, but does anyone know how long since a purchase was rendered that you can still get a refund from Google Wallet?

[jchow69]

I beg to differ, TOTALLY DISAGREE.

I have to agree with TYR_Rune.

[steveo127]

that's a respectable way to disagree; thank you :) moo moo moo!!

btw, you're at 954 right now...i remember a couple months ago when you were posting, " YAY it's my 300th post! :) "

lol. time flies
BOOO! ;) I beg to differ with you although you have a valid point i really dont see the point of arguing against

[Kara T]

Complain when you don't get what you paid for.....smile when you get anything for free.....and learn to know the difference!

[Paul Wall]

Agreed good sir!!


I think you are the one who should "grow up" cuz u understand aint a thing..

Players make complains to suggest an improvement to the game.. Its so simple for your brain to digest, right?

And why so bothered to the point of creating a lengthy thread? People arent complaining to you, people makes complain to Gree..

So please, GROW UP AND ENJOY THE SHOW..:)

[TYR_Rune]

He already edited his thread.. So this thread makes some sense now compared to his first version..;P

[steveo127]

this is the first version. the last edit was made at 2 am EST .... over 19 hours ago. and it was made to agree with GREE's rules for posting. the only change was to edit out the semi-curses I had thrown in. don't publish libel

[Muse_boa]

that's a respectable way to disagree; thank you :) moo moo moo!!

btw, you're at 954 right now...i remember a couple months ago when you were posting, " YAY it's my 300th post! :) "

lol. time flies
You
you have lost me

[TYR_Rune]

this is the first version. the last edit was made at 2 am EST .... over 19 hours ago. and it was made to agree with GREE's rules for posting. the only change was to edit out the semi-curses I had thrown in. don't publish libel

Your first version was just a TROLL, designed to trigger violent reactions, and is merely seeking attention...

You added more things to explain your point in this "new" version of yours just lately, after all those reactions..
Now I will have to agree with your thread since you explained your point very clearly without degrading your fellow players and disrespecting other's opinions..

[steveo127]

there is nothing new. all that information was there the entire time. you can look at the time signature where it says "Edit" in italics at the bottom of each post.

[TYR_Rune]

Troll.


title says it all. you all are acting so spoiled, grow the f up.

remember how much you all were screaming in your schoolboy shorts when LTQs came out? how excited you were that everything was going your way, that you could boost your stats tremendously with spending less gold than you needed to before? that's all this game is about. boosting your stats. doing it the cheapest way possible.

once they introduced LTQs, it fed cannibalistically off of the other methods of spending cash on this game, people stopped spending as much on the WD events which used to be the greatest source of money for the company....it's not hard to understand...it's a company, they work to make profits...

once they see that everyone is not spending as much money as they were before, they switch it up on us. seriously is it that hard to understand? they don't owe you anything, they have all of the rights. this game is a privilege, you get it because GREE says so. you're just paying to use a service they provide.

shut up with the stupid, "we want compensation for missing 1 hour and 15 minutes of this LTQ, it's such bs!!! </3 " .....seriously? most of us are adults...wake up fools!

spoiled little kids are all that you see on the forums now. it was clear that the LTQ's were going to be nerfed sooner or later, well guess what today is that day. and i'll let you in on a little secret; the next LTQ is going to be just as hard. so quit your b!tching and complaining...seriously...immature...

Anyway, good job on your new edition.. I am agree with it.. although I seriously doubt it will stop players from posting what they want since they violate no forum rules... its their opinion, their voice.. if you dont like it, you can simply ignore their post. Its as simple as that.