When should I start consiering Night Clubs?

[Glycogen]

My current important buildings are:

Domincans 6/5
Loft 5/4(currently upgrading to 5)
MT 6/6
Beachside Inn 3/3
Wholesale 3/3
Brownstone 1/1


I want to get my 2nd domincan to 6 and my MTs to 7, beachsides to maybe 4 or 5, and Brownstones to 3.

I'm currently level 63 with 97k IPH (around 106K with loft upgrade done), is my current plan good? When should I start getting Nightclubs? What can I improve on?

Edit: I don't purchase gold, so gold buildings are out of the table (even though churchs look like an awesome buy :( )

[panty sniffer]

Get nightclub ASAP before anything else. All buildings have a delayed ROI, meaning they're nice to have and profitable but every building you get takes time to pay itself off and delays your NC.

NC is much more valueable than the other buildings you currently have or can get right now.

[murf]

You look like you are at a good spot to get them. Three things to consider:

1) These LTE buildings should probably take precedent to your NC purchase because of the weapons awarded. And limited nature.

2) What is your collection schedule and do you get robbed at your level? will you collect 2.4 x's, 3 x's or closer to 4 x's a day, will help you prioritize when to get your NCs

3) I'd build the Upscales first if you get to L70 before you start building your NC.

Lastly, make sure you upgrade your first NC to L2 before you build your second, that upgrade is probably the best $$ investment in the game.

I'd probably start saving, and then prioritize builds as 1) LTEs, 2) Upscales, 3) NCs. I would also make sure to start my NC build right after a LTE event ends, you don't want to miss out on a great building (Pagoda) because you are currently constructing your NC

[Kidkiller]

Cool I was also wondering what to do, seem I'll keep stockpilling the cash.

[Bam Bam]

I agree with all of the others. Everybody that has a big IPH got nightclubs early on. They will fund all of your other builds. I'll admit though, it really sucked having to save up all of that money the first time!!!

[Kidkiller]

Got lucky , have 2 pagoda building. Will be happy if I can afford the next two LTE building.

[murf]

And BTW, churches look good for your level, but you'll quickly realize that every gold building after them are better. If you are only going to purchase a few gold buildings, wait until Gentlemen's club and Rock Cafe unlock in the low-100's. Pirate Tavern is also underrated if you can do 8-hr cycle.

[Bala82]

If we have regular limited building event monthly Gold building will eventually become waste of money ?

[murf]

If we have regular limited building event monthly Gold building will eventually become waste of money ?

I disagree. There are only a few buildings better then Palms, RCs, GCs or PTs. Unless we are going to get 2 Pagoda's every 2 weeks, then these buildings will always have good value for gold spent. And my guess is we've seen the best LTB in the Pagoda...all the rest will be ok, but not great.

[Kidkiller]

We don't know so far, if the LTB become better and better than gold building will become waste of gold.

[(CCK) Cam]

Also, be sure to play a lot, Nc's are collected every 6 hours if you want max money. Unless you are already very strong for your level, you don't need to play a lot.

[Beckham]

I've calculated the best money earners on all the non-gold buildings (as I don't buy gold) and I've also factored in the size of the buildings as well, as space is also a huge issue (for me, at least). Thus the Magic Playhouse gets hurt for being so big (8x10 squares), whereas the Flower Shop (4x4) is one of the better buys.

Here are my top results for a Level 1 building (in $ generated per hour, per square of the building):

Nightclub - 455.73 (wowsers!)
Upscale Club - 113.89
French Restaurant - 111.11
Condo - 93.75
Modern Loft - 69.44
Underboss House - 58.67
Russian Restaurant - 48.61
Flower Shop - 35.94
Beach Nightclub - 31.25
Crematorium - 25.61
Comedy Club - 25.00
Dominican Restaurant - 16.67
Loft - 14.32
Brownstone - 13.89
Art House Cinema - 11.31
Fancy Restaurant - 10.19

Hope this helps :)

[Swedevil]

Ideally, you'd want to calculate these are higher then level 1 wouldn't you? Being that some of them have better pay rates then others after being upgraded. Also, mind showing the formula you used to come up with this? Was the a chart of was it just done by hand on a calculator? Everyone's not going to just take your word. They want charts and evidence!

[Kidkiller]

Pretty easy u take the amount of cash earned at the end of the timer, you divide/multiply to get how much an hour it gives, than you divide that amount with the number of square occupied by the building, and here you got the result of how much $ you earn by hour for each square occupied.

[Swedevil]

Pretty easy u take the amount of cash earned at the end of the timer, you divide/multiply to get how much an hour it gives, than you divide that amount with the number of square occupied by the building, and here you got the result of how much $ you earn by hour for each square occupied.

I'm asking because I have a few different numbers on two charts I'm looking at.

[BigMoney]

You look like you are at a good spot to get them. Three things to consider:

1) These LTE buildings should probably take precedent to your NC purchase because of the weapons awarded. And limited nature.

2) What is your collection schedule and do you get robbed at your level? will you collect 2.4 x's, 3 x's or closer to 4 x's a day, will help you prioritize when to get your NCs

3) I'd build the Upscales first if you get to L70 before you start building your NC.

Lastly, make sure you upgrade your first NC to L2 before you build your second, that upgrade is probably the best $$ investment in the game.

I'd probably start saving, and then prioritize builds as 1) LTEs, 2) Upscales, 3) NCs. I would also make sure to start my NC build right after a LTE event ends, you don't want to miss out on a great building (Pagoda) because you are currently constructing your NC

I agree with this post except for the part about putting Upscale Clubs before Nightclubs. The limited buildings should only take priority because of the fact that they are limited and upgrading them gives you some decent items, while the NCs will always be there for you whenever you're ready. Nightclubs are truly in a league of their own, and the centerpiece of your economy. Upscale Clubs, on the other hand, are just decent buildings. It's too late for the Pagoda, but the Pagoda is a beast of a building too, and it's still weaker than the NC (although a lot easier to collect on). The limited buildings have kind of thrown a wrench in my usual building/upgrading strategy, but before the limited buildings, my general strategy was to bank enough until I could afford my next NC upgrade (as already said here, build one, upgrade it to level 2, build the second, and then keep alternating the upgrades to keep them the same level), upgrade the NC when I could, but when I'm a long way off from the next upgrade, I'd upgrade all my other buildings (Upscale Clubs, Churches, Rock Cafes, now Pagodas, etc) in the meantime so that I always have at least one building being upgraded. Once you've got your NCs off the ground, the upgrade costs for everything else seems trivial. I have two level 3 NCs, and with bonuses they make ~$3mil per 6 hours. Need to upgrade an Upscale Club to level 5? Normally that'd be a big deal, but with NCs, you're talking about saving for just a couple days. Basically I treat my bank as a big bucket of money for NC upgrades, and every once in a while I'll trim a tiny bit off the top to upgrade something else--but only something cheap enough so as not to affect my progress towards the next NC upgrade-- e.g. if my next NC upgrade is $130mil, so there is no way I would spend that banked money to upgrade an Upscale Club to level 8 ($100mil). I'd move on to a cheaper building, going down my list: Pagoda? Upscale Club? Church? Rock Cafe? I've never gotten this far down, but I could even upgrade my Dominicans or my Lofts for just a few million if everything else was too expensive, which is.... one NC collection.

Summary:
1. NCs are the centerpiece of your economy, and should be your #1 priority (barring limited buildings, but you'll have to make your own decisions on what you think of the building outputs, how badly you need the weapons, how far you can get with the upgrades in the time period, etc-- I'm doing this on a case by case basis, e.g. Pagoda was definitely worth cutting into my NC funds for, to both upgrade it as high as possible and still have enough to buy a second one at the end of the event, but the Dockside Mill as it is, a Type B, is not worth the money to significantly cut into my bank).
2. Always have a building being upgraded. Once you have NCs up and running, upgrade costs for most buildings become fairly trivial.
3. Only upgrade the buildings that are cheap enough to upgrade without cutting into your NC funds. I.e. if I make $1 mil per hour, I probably wouldn't spend $20 million for a building that takes less than 20 hours to upgrade, because by the time it is finished upgrading, I will have less money towards my NCs than I started with.

[Beckham]

Ideally, you'd want to calculate these are higher then level 1 wouldn't you? Being that some of them have better pay rates then others after being upgraded. Also, mind showing the formula you used to come up with this? Was the a chart of was it just done by hand on a calculator? Everyone's not going to just take your word. They want charts and evidence!

Of course the dollar values will go up when the buildings are levelled up, but I'm assuming it will be more or less consistent across the board. Thus a level 2 French Restaurant will always be a slightly better earner than a level 2 Condo, and so forth.

Unfortunately, I haven't yet unlocked many of the more expensive buildings, so I got the earning values for them (as well as the size of the buildings) here: http://crimecityios.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Money_Buildings_by_Level

After that, it was a simple matter of plugging in the numbers (I used Excel) and getting the results. For the mathematically challenged, lol, you just take the total payout divided by the hours and divide that again by the number of squares the building has. For example, the Flower Shop (at level 1) pays $4600 every 8 hours and it's 16 squares big (4x4). So 4600/8/16= $35.94 per square per hour. I didn't make this stuff up - honest! :)

[murf]

This is where I differ from some on the forums. ROI is still my main tool to rank upgrades. There is more to it of course so I don't rank a Pizza Parlor over a NC upgrade because of ROI, but currently I see my next NC upgrade costing me $1.4B with an ROI of 188. I would do my Hotel upgrade to L5 costing me $132m with an ROI of 175 before this.

My explanation is pretty simple. The flip side of ROI is earnings yield, which is easier to understand my point. Why would I want to save up for a lower yielding asset, if I can invest in multiple higher yielding assets for the same price? By doing Hotel and similar type upgrades that have a lower ROI / higher yield then the NC, I will be earning more money on the same amount of dollars invested.

This is why I recommend buying the Upscale before the Nightclub, it has a lower ROI / higher yield then the NC, so again why would I bypass higher yielding investments to save for a lower yielding one.

[BigMoney]

Because that's a really short-sighted plan. Take for instance a level 2 NC, no cost modifiers etc. It cost $106.8mil to build and upgrade a Nightclub to level 2, which then pays out $525k per 6 hours. Let's compare that to the cost of building and upgrading a level 6 Upscale Club ($123.5mil to build and upgrade) which produces $902k per 24 hours. I don't even need to bother calculating ROI to see that the NC is clearly superior, and you'd only need to collect on the NC twice per day for it to be so.

As you said, the NC is a better investment than the Upscale Club for the same reason why you don't use ROI to purchase a Pizza Parlor instead of an Upscale Club.

Edit: whoops, been a while. Had the wrong figures for NC payouts.

[bald zeemer]

The two key shortfalls of ROI:
1. It doesn't account for the fact that you can only do 1 upgrade at a time. Cash on hand is cash not providing a return.
2. ROI doesn't account for path dependency. Type A upgrades unlock further good value/powerful upgrades. So an equal-ROI NC and Casino upgrade are of different worth, as the next NC upgrade will be significantly better than the next casino upgrade.

[Beckham]

I think the pitfall of merely focusing on ROI is that you're not considering EARNINGS. If ROI was the main factor, we'd all stop building at Laundromats. Who would ever take on the massive 1371.43 hr ROI value of the Nightclub when the "mighty" Laundromat comes in at a mere 1.67?

Yet if you consider the earnings these two make after, say a year (without upgrading), there's obviously no comparison. The Laundromat's made you $525,600 (assuming you haven't slept in all that time), minus your modest $100 initial investment... so $525,500. Not bad for a measly c-note.

However your Nightclub has earned you $255.5 million for a tidy $215.5 mil profit. I'm not sure about you, but I know which one I'd go with. Bottom line - forget the ROI and go with the biggest money maker in the long run. Or as I like to put it - the best bang for the buck. The Nightclub rules supreme, "bar" none... Sorry, couldn't help myself there :D

[Beckham]

For some reason, I have a craving for Troll-house cookies. Hmmm...

[murf]

I think the pitfall of merely focusing on ROI is that you're not considering EARNINGS. If ROI was the main factor, we'd all stop building at Laundromats. Who would ever take on the massive 1371.43 hr ROI value of the Nightclub when the "mighty" Laundromat comes in at a mere 1.67?

Yet if you consider the earnings these two make after, say a year (without upgrading), there's obviously no comparison. The Laundromat's made you $525,600 (assuming you haven't slept in all that time), minus your modest $100 initial investment... so $525,500. Not bad for a measly c-note.

However your Nightclub has earned you $255.5 million for a tidy $215.5 mil profit. I'm not sure about you, but I know which one I'd go with. Bottom line - forget the ROI and go with the biggest money maker in the long run. Or as I like to put it - the best bang for the buck. The Nightclub rules supreme, "bar" none... Sorry, couldn't help myself there :D

Yes I do consider earnings...if you actually read what I wrote...there is more to what I do then just ROI to make sure I'm not prioritizing Pizza Parlors over NCs, but ROI drives my whole basis for rankings upgrades.

[murf]

Because that's a really short-sighted plan. Take for instance a level 2 NC, no cost modifiers etc. It cost $106.8mil to build and upgrade a Nightclub to level 2, which then pays out $525k per 6 hours. Let's compare that to the cost of building and upgrading a level 6 Upscale Club ($123.5mil to build and upgrade) which produces $902k per 24 hours. I don't even need to bother calculating ROI to see that the NC is clearly superior, and you'd only need to collect on the NC twice per day for it to be so.

As you said, the NC is a better investment than the Upscale Club for the same reason why you don't use ROI to purchase a Pizza Parlor instead of an Upscale Club.

Edit: whoops, been a while. Had the wrong figures for NC payouts.

I would agree with you if those #'s were right :)

[murf]

The two key shortfalls of ROI:
1. It doesn't account for the fact that you can only do 1 upgrade at a time. Cash on hand is cash not providing a return.
2. ROI doesn't account for path dependency. Type A upgrades unlock further good value/powerful upgrades. So an equal-ROI NC and Casino upgrade are of different worth, as the next NC upgrade will be significantly better than the next casino upgrade.

1) Valid point, but only for my Upscale vs NC debate. If you're looking at an upgrade that will take your account to zero (such as Casino vs NC), there is no wasted return on cash

2) This is only valid for Type A Level2 upgrades, where ROI is actually lower then initial build, each additional upgrade after that returns less per $$ invested, or lower yield, or worse ROI.

[BigMoney]

I would agree with you if those #'s were right :)

Please point out the numbers that you think are wrong. I wrote that those are without bonuses, modifiers, etc.

[murf]

Please point out the numbers that you think are wrong. I wrote that those are without bonuses, modifiers, etc.

Sorry, those #'s are correct and I do agree with you, but the reason is because the ROI on the NC is much, much better then a L6 Upscale as you clearly pointed out....

Read my next post to prove my point.

[murf]

Here's the assumption: These #'s are tycoon w/o syndicate modifiers.

Your income is $4,500,000

Your next NC upgrade is to L8, which costs $1,449m, increases IPH by $352,917 and ROI of 177.11 days. To save for the upgrade, would take you 322.01 hours and upgrade takes 144.8 hrs. So total it takes 466.8 hours to save and upgrade.

Or you could upgrade these buidlings: It would take 62.1 hrs to save for the 1st casino upgrade

Casino-L4 - $279m - 82,500 / hr - 82.94 hrs - 144.59 ROI
Casino-L4 - $279m - 82,500 / hr - 82.94 hrs - 144.59
Palm - L5 - $342m - 83,072 / hr - 99.53 hrs - 175.8
Palm - L5 - $342m - 83,072 / hr - 99.53 hrs - 175.8
Hotel - L3 - $47m - 19,593 / hr - 40.56 hrs - 102.5

Total - $1,290m - +$350,740 / hr - 467.6 hrs
NC - $1,449m - +$352,917 / hr - 466.8 hrs

The reason the 5 chain upgrades are cheaper is because they have better ROI's then the NC.

Any critique is welcome.

[emcee]

With limited buildings and rewards it's probably best to avoid NC for the time being.

[bald zeemer]

1) Valid point, but only for my Upscale vs NC debate. If you're looking at an upgrade that will take your account to zero (such as Casino vs NC), there is no wasted return on cash

2) This is only valid for Type A Level2 upgrades, where ROI is actually lower then initial build, each additional upgrade after that returns less per $$ invested, or lower yield, or worse ROI.

The point is that over time you always need to go for lower ROI upgrades, but on a type-a the upgrades are going to be better than a type-b. So 5-6 NC is better than 5-6 Casino (adjust for appropriate level, this is conceptual as I haven't the spreadsheet in front of me).
Or, to put it another way, ROI gets worse more slowly with type A.

The real proof, however, is in real time evidence. Compare the iph of ROI players with the iph of NC-fiends. The former isn't even close to the latter. Every single player with 15m+ iph got there by an NC-driven economy. Or, to look at it another way, every ex-ROI player saw their Econ explode into the stratosphere as soon as they switched to NC-boosting.

[BigMoney]

Here's the assumption: These #'s are tycoon w/o syndicate modifiers.

Your income is $4,500,000

Your next NC upgrade is to L8, which costs $1,449m, increases IPH by $352,917 and ROI of 177.11 days. To save for the upgrade, would take you 322.01 hours and upgrade takes 144.8 hrs. So total it takes 466.8 hours to save and upgrade.

Or you could upgrade these buidlings: It would take 62.1 hrs to save for the 1st casino upgrade

Casino-L4 - $279m - 82,500 / hr - 82.94 hrs - 144.59 ROI
Casino-L4 - $279m - 82,500 / hr - 82.94 hrs - 144.59
Palm - L5 - $342m - 83,072 / hr - 99.53 hrs - 175.8
Palm - L5 - $342m - 83,072 / hr - 99.53 hrs - 175.8
Hotel - L3 - $47m - 19,593 / hr - 40.56 hrs - 102.5

Total - $1,290m - +$350,740 / hr - 467.6 hrs
NC - $1,449m - +$352,917 / hr - 466.8 hrs

The reason the 5 chain upgrades are cheaper is because they have better ROI's then the NC.

Any critique is welcome.

bald zeemer already said what I was trying to say but much more eloquently. The short of it is that yes, if you had some arbitrary need to hit a particular IPH ASAP, perhaps upgrading those Type B buildings would be the better idea. However, you're hurting your long-term potential by doing so, because your next Nightclub would be able to take an even bigger leap forward by upgrading it again than all those type B buildings combined. If I wasn't as busy with work I would probably make you a graph with the $/time mapped out, but it would look something like this: http://i.imgur.com/kE7TTok.png

I think the example bald zeemer gave earlier best exemplified this-- "an equal-ROI NC and Casino upgrade are of different worth, as the next NC upgrade will be significantly better than the next casino upgrade."

Basically if you have building A (NC) and building B (let's combine all your other buildings into one super building for simplicity) and you have the option to upgrade them to a building that will pay out $1mil per hour, and building B is cheaper to upgrade, then by your ROI logic, upgrading B would be the better choice. Whatever money you would save on upgrades is going to be completely trumped by the next building A upgrade because of how quickly type A buildings grow (http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?13183-Payout-algorithm-explained). So let's say it's buildings A and B are level 2 buildings that each pay out $1mil per hour. By the time you get to a level 3 upgrade, building A is going to pay $2mil per hour, while building B will only pay out $1.75mil per hour. That $250k extra from building A will quickly overcome the money you would have "saved" by opting for the cheaper upgrade of building B, and once building A does cover the difference in upgrade costs, it's still a stronger building, producing more money per hour than building B. The longer term you look, the more stark the comparison gets-- level 4 of these hypothetical buildings would pay $3.33mil/hour for building A, and $2.75mil/hour for building B (now a difference of over $500k/hr).

I know I'm not doing a very good job of explaining it, but hopefully you catch the gist of what I'm trying to say. If you really, really want, I will use the actual real figures for the NCs and your example buildings and show you exactly why it's a bad idea, I just didn't want to spend the time calculating everything right now.

As I said earlier in the topic, my general philosophy is to upgrade the NCs first and foremost, while dipping only very shallowly into my bank account to pay for upgrades of other buildings in the meantime, so that I always have a building being upgraded (as upgrade time is definitely a hugely valuable and underrated asset in the game).


tl;dr Nightclubs make money at the fastest rate ($/hr). If your goal is to produce the most money you can in a given time, then NCs are the obvious choice to upgrade (rate * time = $). No matter how much money the NC upgrades set you back, the NC will earn it back at the fastest rate. It depends on the cost of the building upgrades, but IMO after level 5-6, type B buildings cost more to upgrade than it's worth. The obvious example is level 9 to 10 of the casino makes you $7mil more per day, but costs you $6 billion to do so-- would take over 3 years for it to pay itself off. This is never the case with NCs/type A buildings. Level 10 those all the way.

[mxz]

I've always been a hater of ROI after the first week of a new account - so I'm with the consensus (sorry murf).
1) Limited building as far as you can take it during the quest
2) Grab a second while you can
3) NCs
4) Any other high payout, based on a weighting/modified GFI (or higher order analysis)

Based on your economy you can probably get 1 LE building the save for NC. Make sure to upgrade to L2 since that's where the big payout is. Don't grab that second until you've upgraded.

$100k IPH is a good starting point for a NC save.

[BigMoney]

mxz, do you really think a second Dockside Mills building is worth the $75mil price tag? The Pagodas were obvious must-haves as type A buildings, but the Dockside Mills building is a type B building with a large base payout, but really expensive upgrade costs.

[mxz]

mxz, do you really think a second Dockside Mills building is worth the $75mil price tag? The Pagodas were obvious must-haves as type A buildings, but the Dockside Mills building is a type B building with a large base payout, but really expensive upgrade costs.Is it type B? I haven't been around much, lately so I'm behind. If its B...then probably only worth getting for advanced economies (better than a warehouse!), but anyone under $2M or so will have a hard time justifying it.

[BigMoney]

Is it type B? I haven't been around much, lately so I'm behind. If its B...then probably only worth getting for advanced economies (better than a warehouse!), but anyone under $2M or so will have a hard time justifying it.

It was still Type B when I upgraded it this morning, but they changed the Pagoda from a Type B to a Type A halfway into that event, so I'm trying to save at least $75mil while still upgrading it just in case they do it again.

[mxz]

You can buy after the event portion of the LTQ is over.

[BigMoney]

You can? Are Pagodas still available?

[murf]

BigMoney,

I do see what you and BaldZeemer are saying, I just don't agree with it.

The only upgrade that is better then the previous one is L2 for a type A building, all other upgrades have a higher ROI, which means you get back less on your dollars invested, you by upgrading you are unlocking worse future upgrades. So, your argument is I want to pass up on a 10% yielding asset, to save to buy an 8% yielding asset, because after I buy that asset it unlocks the ability to buy a 7% yielding asset. I will never be convinced that this is a better strategy.

I've had this argument many times, last with MXZ, so I don't really have anything new to say. But, I do understand what you are saying, but like I said above, I just don't agree with it.


I do want to clarify 1 thing. Let's say I have $3B in my account and my NC costs $1.5B, and my Casino costs $500m, even if the Casino has a better ROI, I will upgrade the NC. I'm just arguing that if I have $500m, I will upgrade the Casino first.

[bald zeemer]

It was still Type B when I upgraded it this morning, but they changed the Pagoda from a Type B to a Type A halfway into that event, so I'm trying to save at least $75mil while still upgrading it just in case they do it again.
My latest upgrade was about an hour ago, it's still type-B.

Disappointing, but also promising. If they were releasing a new Type-A pagoda strength building every 2 weeks then IPH inflation would start getting worse than stat inflation. (Not that Mill would be as good as pagoda even if it were type A, but it'd be close).

[robba]

You can? Are Pagodas still available?

On my low level account there still available.

[Beckham]

Yes I do consider earnings...if you actually read what I wrote...there is more to what I do then just ROI to make sure I'm not prioritizing Pizza Parlors over NCs, but ROI drives my whole basis for rankings upgrades.

Oh brother, there's really no need to get defensive. It may surprise you to know that I DID read all of what you wrote. In fact, I even agree with most of it, more or less. However, if you'd read what *I* actually wrote, you'd see I stated that if someone "merely focuses" on ROI, their income will likely suffer. I'm not sure why you took this as a personal criticism of you, as it was nothing of the sort. I wasn't referring at all to you, as you did indeed state that you wisely ignore your ROI rule in certain circumstances. I was simply pointing out that to follow this rule blindly hurts your income in the long run.

That is all. I meant no disrespect to anyone. Any resemblance to the strategy of players - whether living or dead - was purely co-incidental.

[Charlie Boy]

Ladies...Ladies...let's get along now please.

[Beckham]

Oh, go stick a fork in it, Charlie. Ummm, not literally though, of course :D

[murf]

Oh brother, there's really no need to get defensive. It may surprise you to know that I DID read all of what you wrote. In fact, I even agree with most of it, more or less. However, if you'd read what *I* actually wrote, you'd see I stated that if someone "merely focuses" on ROI, their income will likely suffer. I'm not sure why you took this as a personal criticism of you, as it was nothing of the sort. I wasn't referring at all to you, as you did indeed state that you wisely ignore your ROI rule in certain circumstances. I was simply pointing out that to follow this rule blindly hurts your income in the long run.

That is all. I meant no disrespect to anyone. Any resemblance to the strategy of players - whether living or dead - was purely co-incidental.

Apologizes...thanks for the civil response, which is something I was surely lacking....:\

[dudeman]

*not reading posts 1-46*

Based on personal experience, when your IPH gets close to $400k you are definitely ready for NCs.

[Beckham]

Apologizes...thanks for the civil response, which is something I was surely lacking....:\

Apology accepted with thanks :) I know I'm just new here and am certainly not looking to offend anyone - especially those of you who put my own humble hood to shame. I'm really just trying to figure out what my own strategy is going to be, if and when I ever unlock the much-cherished NC. You can have all the numbers and charts in the world at your disposal, but that's not going to necessarily tell you what to DO with them. Experience is just as valuable and I hope to learn from all you guys :)

[mxz]

*not reading posts 1-46*

Based on personal experience, when your IPH gets close to $400k you are definitely ready for NCs.Hacker.
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