New updatevalows pagoda build while still building other things

[Lame]

Im going to assume this is intentional....discuss

[AFed]

Unlikely intentional. Similar things have been happening in the past with other goals.

[THE JACK]

Doesn't work for me. 1 building at a time.

[kingofwale]

doesn't work for me on both andriod or iphone for me

[gambet1234]

I started an Office Building build just before the pagoda event started. Why should it cost me $27mil ($12mill loss to sell the OB) when it cost everyone else $15mil?

[Dipstik]

Rationalization is the second strongest motivator in human nature.

[Ablah]

hope you are satisfied dipstik

[Dipstik]

I have noticed several times that...

/Ablah

This is a glitch, it is cheating to use it, and it's against forum policy to discuss it thereby teaching other people how to do it. Please edit your post and stop doing this. Very cute that you "noticed this several times." Seems so innocuous when you put it this way instead of "I figured out I can do this and abused the everloving#smug out of it."

#smug

[zwiswoo]

Yesterday it wasn't possible to build two buildings and I had to sell a turret that was under construction to buy the pagoda. Now today after installing the latest update it is possible - just buy the building! I think people are connecting this to one of the infinite glitches but I've never seen this behavior before at all for any building. Now you just need to install the upgrade and anyone can do it.
I don't know what the point of calling it 'cheating' is quite frankly when a) the point of cheating is an unfair advantage and everyone can do this b) this behavior seems to have been *added* since yesterday, probably for this limited time thing. It's not a weekend, and I am sure if it's a bug they can tell us here or put out a fix. I have a hunch/hope (will check in a few hours) it's going to be possible to upgrade two pagodas simultaneously too. My initial thought was you can get multiple copies of the prize but it seems not?

[Ablah]

This is a glitch, it is cheating to use it, and it's against forum policy to discuss it thereby teaching other people how to do it. Please edit your post and stop doing this. Very cute that you "noticed this several times." Seems so innocuous when you put it this way instead of "I figured out I can do this and abused the everloving#smug out of it."

#smug
I haven't felt so unfairly Slapped in the face in ages! Dipstik

How this can be cheating I don't understand, and I did think this was a possibility that was ment to be. How should I know it isn't ment to be possible.

Maybe I' m naive but at least I'm not rude to other people. I guess I can be lucky to not have understood everything you wrote.
I don't think I ever want to post in this forum again when this is the respons you get!

[ponyman]

somebody told me, these blds are going to disappear after the event. anybody else hear that?

[Lame]

I dont feel like im discussing a cheat here....the new update included a new goal with flashing "limited" arrow pointing right at it...i clicked it and followed each new window until pagoda was purchased....game didnt care that i had 10 hours left on my office building build....if i had the cash to build another and still upgrade the first when its ready ....the game seems ready to let me build it too....this is there on purpose so that people already in the middle of a long build wouldnt feel cheated by short deadline

[Lame]

Ponyman...the buildings wont dissapear....just the opportunity to get the bonus weapons that come with each upgrade...and maybe the opportunity to buy the building at all will disapear as well...limites edition building

[dudeman]

I dont feel like im discussing a cheat here....the new update included a new goal with flashing "limited" arrow pointing right at it...i clicked it and followed each new window until pagoda was purchased....game didnt care that i had 10 hours left on my office building build....if i had the cash to build another and still upgrade the first when its ready ....the game seems ready to let me build it too....this is there on purpose so that people already in the middle of a long build wouldnt feel cheated by short deadline

If this was "meant to be", everyone would be able to do it. Since not everyone can build two buildings at once, it's a glitch. If you do it, you are abusing a glitch. Plain and simple.

Whether the game lets you do something and whether it's an intended game mechanic are two different stories. Intentional game mechanics are actions anyone can do at any time. Finding a work around to do something not normally allowed is not generally accepted as legit game play.

[Lame]

How is a player to know that "not everyone can do it" until aftter they have tried it themselves and discussed it with others....which is what im doing while trying not to catch a ban
should i ask if everyone can buy gold...or if everyone can rob other players
should i also not take any of the offers gree gives to limited groups of players (current gold sale and special weapons for trying new games)?
And what should i do now that ive got the pagoda building while i still have 2 hours on office building...sell one....or draw attention to my issue in the forums?

[zwiswoo]

If this was "meant to be", everyone would be able to do it. Since not everyone can build two buildings at once, it's a glitch. If you do it, you are abusing a glitch.

Did you update to the current version? I couldn't build two buildings yesterday either. istm quite plausible to me that the intent is to allow concurrent builds/upgrades during this event. I don't see why people should compare it to some situation involving people doing strange tricks with hacked phones. Hopefully someone like CJ can clarify. In any case the important one is going to be upgrades - *build* times are not a scarce resource in this game.

[Ablah]

How is a player to know that "not everyone can do it" until aftter they have tried it themselves and discussed it with others.

This is a really good question, and l have even a hard time reading in the forum, and when I post something I get rude response. A lot of people don't even read the forum and have no clue that they are cheating!

[Dipstik]

You can only build one building at a time.

If you found some sneaky way to build more than one at a time, it's a glitch.

This particular one is well known.

Abusing a glitch is cheating according to gree, whether they bother to fix it or not.

Discussing glitches is against forum rules because we really don't want everyone to know.

Knock it off.

[Lame]

Who are the "everyone" you dont want to know.....the people who made the game and can only change it if they know about it and didnt intend it.....or the people who will use it until its changed

[Dipstik]

Christ you're dumb. Enjoy your ban.

#smug

[Lame]

To those who think they know grees intended game mechanics....do you use the 13 hit method on bosses....do you believe that getting an extra hit from 1 unit of energy is what they intended?

[montecore]

Is having three frosty hideouts allowed, or is that considered cheating too?

Personally, I think for LE buildings/timed upgrades they SHOULD let you build it in addition to another building. It would suck to start building a casino/NC right before the event.

[montecore]

I dont feel like im discussing a cheat here....the new update included a new goal with flashing "limited" arrow pointing right at it...i clicked it and followed each new window until pagoda was purchased....game didnt care that i had 10 hours left on my office building build....if i had the cash to build another and still upgrade the first when its ready ....the game seems ready to let me build it too....this is there on purpose so that people already in the middle of a long build wouldnt feel cheated by short deadline

This actually seems completely reasonable to me. Of course, now that I've said that I"ll probably get branded a hacker. If it makes everyone feel better, I started building my second pagoda after the first and wasn't building anything else during the first one.

I honestly don't know what's up with the frosty hideouts. I think if Gree only wants people to own two, they should go through the database and remove the third one from anyone who has it.

[Swedevil]

This actually seems completely reasonable to me. Of course, now that I've said that I"ll probably get branded a hacker. If it makes everyone feel better, I started building my second pagoda after the first and wasn't building anything else during the first one.

I honestly don't know what's up with the frosty hideouts. I think if Gree only wants people to own two, they should go through the database and remove the third one from anyone who has it.

The problem then arises as to how to you give them back what they paid for the frosty...if they have 2 level 10s and a level 9 which do you take? How about the fact that they have been collecting for months on these, do you take that money back or do you give everyone a lump sum that was here during that time and didn't get to build three?

As far as this building goes, I almost messed up and built two at the same time. I had a defense building going that I forget was going. I wasn't here for the frosty one, so I didn't know how the frosty error was. I clicked and it let me get to where I was about to place the building. I moved to a part of the hood that I could see my defense building being built and thats when I realized it hadn't finished and I wasn't about to build this one until it did. Had I placed it in the first location I wanted, I wouldn't have even realized it because to me it wouldn't have let me had I had another building being built. So That wasn't something I was looking for.

I can see how someone that isn't familiar with the game to much - as much, as a forum member can click the way I did and be allowed to build the building. Then they would go through the same steps and see you can build another and another and...you get the point...

Has anything come from Gree saying that this was NOT meant to be? They knew about it with the frosty and still let it happen again? How do we know that they aren't basically saying, "hey, since this is a limited edition building and you only have limited amount of time, you can build this one while you're building another one and it's meant to be that way guys".... they haven't! Nor have they said the opposite... so who really knows...

[montecore]

I don't think it's that hard. Remove the third building and refund the gold. Of course, the time to do it is the week after the event and not a year later. That said, it would make sense for Gree to run queries against the database looking for more than two buildings, more than one special event item, perhaps an algorithm of robberies/RP earned against RP items, etc.

They could do a lot more but it would be a start.

[Lame]

Glad to have some support for at least talking about it....was growing weary of the trolls and their kafkaesque accusations

[cooch]

Is having three frosty hideouts allowed, or is that considered cheating too?

Personally, I think for LE buildings/timed upgrades they SHOULD let you build it in addition to another building. It would suck to start building a casino/NC right before the event.

Yep like going into an upgrade and having no gree cash to upgrade as much as possible before event ends.

As to the Frostys CJ in a talkative moment clarified what happened. Essentially Gree goofed. By the time they realized it the tip went out on forum and too many folks took advantage for them to think about rolling it back. They let glitch stand. So like always it pays to read this forum as long as folks share instead of sniping at each other or their respective syns!

[montecore]

Yep like going into an upgrade and having no gree cash to upgrade as much as possible before event ends.

As to the Frostys CJ in a talkative moment clarified what happened. Essentially Gree goofed. By the time they realized it the tip went out on forum and too many folks took advantage for them to think about rolling it back. They let glitch stand. So like always it pays to read this forum as long as folks share instead of sniping at each other or their respective syns!

It's worth pointing out that the vast majority of players have probably never been to this website. They know what they read on walls or just what they experience in the game. I don't think anyone who clicks on a pagoda, chooses "build" and the game lets them is a hacker. Especially when the mission tells them to do just that.

[Ablah]

"This" is something that most new players won't understand is a cheat/glitch or whatever you call it. But what about leveldroppers? I see several players having level 122 buildings at lover levels. Is this a cheat or a legitimate possibility later in game? I sent in this question to Gree a couple of weeks ago and haven't got an answer.

[PawnXIIX]

Here is their thinking. They care about gold sales. They drop the building on us all of a sudden so that way it causes players who don't want to miss constructing the building to use gold to finish their current construction.

The frosty hideouts, maybe somebody else better explain that one...

At the end of the day they're still a business, and they're in it to make money. They're not in it to make a game that changes the way people think or brings people together as a main feature. The main focus is at the end of the day to generate every sale they can and that's it.

[TZora]

here's the deal. i had a loft under construction and only 24 hours were left for it to finish (i think it takes 90+ hours to construct). i knew i had only 2 options: either sell the loft that was under-construction or wait 24 hours to buy the pagoda building.

"the idea of checking if i can construct two buildings never came into my mind". why? because i know if i put 2 buildings under construction at the same time (even if it is some glitch or gree's fault), i will be considered a cheat. simple as that! gree is known to mess up the regular game schematics whenever anything new is added to the game.

so if the thought comes to my mind, "hey lemme see if i can construct the pagoda at the same time while my loft is under construction" is equivalent to cheating.

remember folks, "intention" is what matters. if one building is already under construction, you try to buy another building, you will get a popup that 1 building is already under construction. if you do not get that popup, you are supposed to stop right there. visit this forum and ask other people if it is a glitch or gree has intentionally allowed two constructions at the same time.

but if you ignore all of that and put 2 buildings at construction and then you come over here to discuss the flaw/glitch, you are a cheater because you have already taken advantage of the glitch!

[Swedevil]

here's the deal. i had a loft under construction and only 24 hours were left for it to finish (i think it takes 90+ hours to construct). i knew i had only 2 options: either sell the loft that was under-construction or wait 24 hours to buy the pagoda building.

"the idea of checking if i can construct two buildings never came into my mind". why? because i know if i put 2 buildings under construction at the same time (even if it is some glitch or gree's fault), i will be considered a cheat. simple as that! gree is known to mess up the regular game schematics whenever anything new is added to the game.

so if the thought comes to my mind, "hey lemme see if i can construct the pagoda at the same time while my loft is under construction" is equivalent to cheating.

remember folks, "intention" is what matters. if one building is already under construction, you try to buy another building, you will get a popup that 1 building is already under construction. if you do not get that popup, you are supposed to stop right there. visit this forum and ask other people if it is a glitch or gree has intentionally allowed two constructions at the same time.

but if you ignore all of that and put 2 buildings at construction and then you come over here to discuss the flaw/glitch, you are a cheater because you have already taken advantage of the glitch!
This is your version from an experienced Forums member who has dealt with that before. I can say that I found a glitch that I did not know about when I first started playing the game. I had maybe been playing 2 weeks and found it. I used it. It was constructing two buildings at once. I did not know the rules as no where did it say that if you try to construct one and it lets you, you should check to see if it's a glitch first. I thought that constructing it the way I did was legit because it was a goal and gave me the option that way.

I got on the forums based on a syndicate I joined a few weeks later. Someone there mentioned they heard there was some forums to get help from. So I googled it and found this. That is where I learned what I did was, based on forums members, considering cheating. I immediately sold the building out of guilt (it was only up to level 3 anyway) and reported the problem. I had an automated response sent asking if it was still a problem. I responded saying yes and described the problem again. I was then told that I had a faulty download and I should delete and reinstall my app. I did so and told them that the problem was still there and I wanted my name cleared. more then 3 weeks later, the ticket was closed. I have since submitted 3 others tickets and all were closed on the same matter with no resolution.

Fact of the matter is that had I not accidentally stumbled upon the forums, I wouldn't have know that even going through the goals list, you aren't supposed to be able to do that. I thought it was special because you purchased it a different way. Like purchasing an item in order to do another goal on the map or something. I didn't have to purchase that through the store, so I thought it was meant to be that way.

What I'm getting at is that not everyone does that intentionally. Yes, SOME do and always will. However, not everyone is a bad person because they stumble upon something and think it may be the right way because NOTHING is saying it's not and thats the way the game dev. made it...


Heck, I played Mario and had a way to get unlimited lives with one turtle...Was that wrong too? Or was it just me using the tactics the developers put in wisely?

[TZora]

Heck, I played Mario and had a way to get unlimited lives with one turtle...Was that wrong too? Or was it just me using the tactics the developers put in wisely?
jump jump jump the turtle and 1up 1up 1up :D

i understand what you are saying and i'm sorry if i was harsh with my reply. you are correct, someone new to the game may run into trouble for not knowing the Dos/Donts. there's a lot of paranoia over cheaters and cheating because gree isn't doing much (in my opinion) to kick away cheaters. instead, gree is rewarding cheaters (http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?53705-Indisputable-cheating-by-a-top-team-big-injustice&p=749358&viewfull=1#post749358).

[Swedevil]

jump jump jump the turtle and 1up 1up 1up :D

i understand what you are saying and i'm sorry if i was harsh with my reply. you are correct, someone new to the game may run into trouble for not knowing the Dos/Donts. there's a lot of paranoia over cheaters and cheating because gree isn't doing much (in my opinion) to kick away cheaters. instead, gree is rewarding cheaters (http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?53705-Indisputable-cheating-by-a-top-team-big-injustice&p=749358&viewfull=1#post749358).

Trust me, I've seen that!!! And I can understand the paranoia over cheaters. I used to play another game that had people duplicating items using firefox and...well, we'll leave it alone...

[bald zeemer]

I think the pertinent fact here is that the OP clearly did know about the forum, could easily have discovered information about the glitch, and avoided utilising it. I'm sure we all understand that people unaware of the forum's existence may not know, and that's fair enough. I'm personally happy with the tradeoff of people utilising a glitch (one this simple that it is highly likely to be stumbled upon) vs the lack of general knowledge on the game. They still come out way behind. It's far from ideal, but it is what it is.

The frosty comparison is a non-starter. It was available to all players and publicly endorsed by gree.

[Ben Weston]

If this was "meant to be", everyone would be able to do it. Since not everyone can build two buildings at once, it's a glitch. If you do it, you are abusing a glitch. Plain and simple.

so am I a cheater for being in a syndicate and reaping the benefits of all the bonuses while android users weren't able to?

[bald zeemer]

I think we can take it as read that whenever anyone says "available to everyone" they mean "meant to be available to everyone". Gree's incompetence is the cause of this entire thread, the fact that they're incompetent very often results in some people being denied access (as opposed to glitches, which grant some people special access).

[Ben Weston]

but your only assuming its a glitch rather than an intentional feature, personally I believe its an intentional move on their part as it allows everyone to join in the event as soon as its available rather than people potentially having to wait 90 hours before being able to start a timed event.

as with any other time, this questionable feature is only available to players when the building is part of a goal which is why I personally believe it is an intentional part of the game mechanics.

for the record I've never used the feature in question as its never even been a possibility for me and the way I play the game.

[Lame]

Bald zeemers comments all revolve around his assumption that this is glitch....
Of course i knew that acording to normal/old game play you cant build more than one at a time....
This is a new situation with potentially new rules....we have never had a time limited build and upgrade event before...which allows for the existence of new rules...players dont get to decide the rules ...im here to find out what gree thinks and what they want to do about it if there is inequity between players who can and players who cant

[Dipstik]

It is a glitch. It's been known for a year now... It's not new to the pagoda. People abusing it for sniper dens used to be the problem. Get over it.

[Ben Weston]

It is a glitch. It's been known for a year now... It's not new to the pagoda. People abusing it for sniper dens used to be the problem. Get over it.

that's your view, stop calling people stupid, lying cheaters unless you have proof from gree that this isn't intentional.

[Dipstik]

I'm pretty sure we got exactly that when this issue came up a year ago.

I never called anyone here stupid. Sounds like a personal issue.

#smug

[Babytway]

some glitches just baffle Gree and fixes do come out but takes awhile or not just important at the time
-hardened shotgun from crates took awhile
-using older crime version with multiclick took awhile
-initial scratcher fiasco glitch with testers that took awhile or never will get fixed

[Ben Weston]

I'm pretty sure we got exactly that when this issue came up a year ago.

I never called anyone here stupid. Sounds like a personal issue.

#smug

I hope you realise how accurate your forum name actually is with your recent posts and your amazingly late # fashion

[Babytway]

he is aware check his signature

[Dipstik]

I'm genuinely baffled by your reaction here, Weston... This is a known glitch. It's been known for a LONG time around here. It has nothing to do with the new building... you've been able to do it the same way with any other building that meets certain criteria which I'm not going to explain. I am pretty sure that a LONG time ago when this was new info, we were told explicitly that it is a glitch and not a feature. (Can anyone else back me up on this?)

I saw another person pointing this glitch out on the forum (as has been done MANY times in the past) and told him to edit his post so he's not teaching other people how to cheat. It's standard practice and forum policy.

You're taking this awfully personally, but it's not that I mind having another easily wound up lolcow in the forum.

#smug

[panty sniffer]

I haven't read the thread a year ago where it was determined to be a glitch but it actually makes more sense if it's an intentional game mechanics.

Startng a timed event that requires gold to complete can only be implemented fairly to all players if they can all start the event at the same time without penalty. Hence, being able to build the event building at the same time as any current buildings already under construction.

What if you had ben saving for months for a NC then the event starts soon after your build starts. I'd be pissed if I had to sell the NC! Not fair at all. If I were put in that position, I'd def build the event building with NC simultaneous and sleep well at night knowing I didn't cheat the game.

[Dipstik]

It has nothing to do with the pagoda. It works with every building that meets certain criteria, of which the pagoda is one. Most notably it's been abused to build 50 assassin's dens at once. I can't go into detail without telling every noob how to do it, but if you really care send me a PM.

[gambet1234]

:) Any Goal that makes you build a building can be done no matter what. This is the way it has always been. Why does everyone think that it is a glitch? Until GREE steps up and admits to having made a mistake in the game mechanics or puts out a rules list then whatever the game mechanics are is what the rules are.

I'm not falsifying the date on my device. I'm not re-writing datasets. I'm not opening up a hex editor and giving myself free items (haven't hacked a game file since the days of Moria in 1991). I'm just playing the game they give me.

Prove it is a glitch. Any proof you can offer me that this is a glitch I will be able to offer as proof that the NC being avaliable at lvl15 is also a glitch.

I have a feeling that most people here claiming they can't build one because something is already building are not trying to do the goal... they are trying to buy it through the buildings menu. Goals can be completed no matter what. That isn't a bug. That is a fair playing field.

[bald zeemer]

Prove it is a glitch. Any proof you can offer me that this is a glitch I will be able to offer as proof that the NC being avaliable at lvl15 is also a glitch.

Why keep going back to this? It makes literally no sense at all.

The conditions for building a NC are clearly stated (300 mafia, $40m cash). Level has absolutely nothing to do with it.
If the proof you ask for can be found, it will consist of CCM saying "this is a glitch, it was not intended" or something to the same effect. You're comparing apples and cross-dressing dodos.

[Dipstik]

I just gave up and reported his post. If no one cares its none of my business. If I'm right, a mod will sort it out. I'm sure we've already had this discussion on this exact glitch.

[name]

There are some factors of importance here.

- It has always been Gree's intention for you not to be able to build while you are building, you can easily check that by trying to build in the normal way while you're already building something.
- Players who have been using a glitch in the system do get occasionally banned (http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?38746-Help!-Have-I-been-banned-!-WTF, see page 2, where Zackhu explains his reason for getting banned).
- There is general consensus that this is glitching and you are abusing a weakness in the game. It is freaking easy to find topics about this and every time you'll see that trusted forum members do say it's glitching and do say to keep as far away from it is as possible.

I'm staying the hell away from this one and I would advise you to do the same. If you accidentally did use this glitch my answer is to sell it off/repent.

It's cool if you find a glitch in the system (I once got 75 gold from CCM for finding a glitch which still is unresolved), but abusing it just makes you a cheater, period.

Oh and SAS, normally I respect you guys, but you need to kick Queen Leonidas out, he gives (no matter if Gree is ok with him) your team an unfair advantage, plain and simple. Especially a top team like yours should understand that none of us can allow such dubious members.

#smugrighteous