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Tincanmike
04-26-2013, 11:41 AM
Hi

We are a small growing faction and we are usually around the top 1000 mark in these events.

We have delclared war and have been matched up against a top 75 faction.

It's a total missmatch, to say its been a bloodbath would be an understatement.

Please sort this out. :mad:

TCM

KFH
04-26-2013, 11:46 AM
Yup same getting matched with top 50. It usually gets better as the war goes on.

CJ D
04-26-2013, 11:48 AM
That just means you're too strong but poorly organized...sorry...

Ranger4Life
04-26-2013, 11:49 AM
We got paired with a very weak faction. This is not right!

Tincanmike
04-26-2013, 11:53 AM
That just means you're too strong but poorly organized...sorry...

How so?

Our avaerage stats are 30K/35K A/D

The team we are against, I have yet to see anybody with a Defense of less than 95K

How is that fair?

Nothing to do with being under prepared

Web323
04-26-2013, 11:54 AM
We got paired with a very weak faction. This is not right!

Same here; their DL is only 126k def and with the scoring system, I only get 200WD for hitting them.

CJ54
04-26-2013, 11:58 AM
The sorting system will always try to match you with someone near your strength at the beginning, but sometimes it can't if guilds of your strength are already matched up. You WILL get a good matchup during the event, though.

Paisthecoolest
04-26-2013, 12:01 PM
I feel bad. We are a top 750 team running up the score against a top 2000 faction. We have too, though

Q Raider
04-26-2013, 12:02 PM
Same here; their DL is only 126k def and with the scoring system, I only get 200WD for hitting them.

Beat ya, mob we are up against the DL is 105k def, might as well whack the wall :-)

Tincanmike
04-26-2013, 12:02 PM
The sorting system will always try to match you with someone near your strength at the beginning, but sometimes it can't if guilds of your strength are already matched up. You WILL get a good matchup during the event, though.

Thats fair enough, but as you have stated in another thread there are more factions than ever logging in thus slowing the servers down. So why are we matched up against someone we have a snowlakes chance in hell of beating?

TCM

lakelander
04-26-2013, 12:09 PM
Something changed on the health bonus regeneration times.

I have -25% from faction and the Bridge Jumper, -20% for a total of -45%. During the battle, many of our faction's total health regen is coming up as 1:03:00 +/- and some at 51 minutes. Shouldn't it be 55 minutes?

Is there a general problem with this CJ?

Thank you!!!!

Ranger4Life
04-26-2013, 12:12 PM
The sorting system will always try to match you with someone near your strength at the beginning, but sometimes it can't if guilds of your strength are already matched up. You WILL get a good matchup during the event, though.

The average defense stat of the faction we are facing is 84k. Our average is 700k.

I understand that there will be times where the matching system can't find someone close, but this is ridiculous.

procsyzarc
04-26-2013, 12:14 PM
There strongest member can't beat our weakest and not by a small amount.

CJ54
04-26-2013, 12:14 PM
Thats fair enough, but as you have stated in another thread there are more factions than ever logging in thus slowing the servers down. So why are we matched up against someone we have a snowlakes chance in hell of beating?

TCM

If it can't find someone perfect for your guild in a certain amount of time, it will widen the parameters a little. Then if it still can't do that, it will widen them again. So you guys (with your widened parameters) got matched up with a guild that also had widened parameters, due to the slow-down gumming up the works a little for everyone. We try to keep that from happening as much as is possible, but the idea here is that being able to get SOME points should always trump a situation where you're stuck and unable t get no points at all.

CJ54
04-26-2013, 12:16 PM
The average defense stat of the faction we are facing is 84k. Our average is 700k.

I understand that there will be times where the matching system can't find someone close, but this is ridiculous.

Yeah, agreed that that case is ridiculous for all parties. We ARE looking into this, but it's possibly a disturbingly extreme example of what I was talking about. More powerful guilds are actually harder to match up than anyone, and this is something we've been looking at.

CJ54
04-26-2013, 12:21 PM
Something changed on the health bonus. I have -25% from faction and the Bridge Jumper, -20% for a total of -45%. During the battle, many of our faction's total health regen is coming up as 1:03:00 +/- and some at 51 minutes. Shouldn't it be 55 minutes?

Not to go too off-topic, but yeah that doesn't sound right either. Could you send us a screenshot of that with a player ID?

procsyzarc
04-26-2013, 12:32 PM
Something changed on the health bonus regeneration times.

I have -25% from faction and the Bridge Jumper, -20% for a total of -45%. During the battle, many of our faction's total health regen is coming up as 1:03:00 +/- and some at 51 minutes. Shouldn't it be 55 minutes?

Is there a general problem with this CJ?

Thank you!!!!

Haven't worked it but can see your math is wrong to start with.

It is 100% - 25% = 75% - 20% = 60%

Not

100% - (25+20%) = 55%

FromAfar
04-26-2013, 12:42 PM
actually, still incorrect...


100%-20%)-5%-)-5%-)-5%-)-5%-)-5%= it should be right about 63 minutes give or take, for a full recharge.

i have a jumper and 20%... and id is 66 minutes and, unfortunately, it is correct if you buy gree's formula.


Haven't worked it but can see your math is wrong to start with.

It is 100% - 25% = 75% - 20% = 60%

Not

100% - (25+20%) = 55%

Web323
04-26-2013, 01:05 PM
Beat ya, mob we are up against the DL is 105k def, might as well whack the wall :-)

We normally get matched with top 25 factions and they were maybe top 500

Durt McGurt
04-26-2013, 01:07 PM
Same here, but as the event goes on the match ups are more even. But I am not complaining because who did we pull from the magic pony generator... Waffen SS
Lets go CJ, give them a new faction name.
At least they scored 3k. Not too shabby.

Cractos
04-26-2013, 01:21 PM
We are a top 1500 faction and we have matched against 1 top 250 and 1 top 150... This is crazy.. How are we suppose to do anything but hit the wall.. LOL

lakelander
04-26-2013, 01:29 PM
thanks for the replies and sorry for the topic interruption.....:o

NaRciS
04-26-2013, 02:15 PM
Also the wins and loses are not showing on half our player, as well as points not showing against them either...

same.....

Roscoe782
04-26-2013, 04:49 PM
3 of first 4 matches we could only hit cc we were that overmatched

Jman
04-26-2013, 05:38 PM
I have -25% from faction and the Bridge Jumper, -20% for a total of -45%. During the battle, many of our faction's total health regen is coming up as 1:03:00 +/- and some at 51 minutes. Shouldn't it be 55 minutes?
The bonuses multiply in a weird way. The 5(?) you have from your faction multiply the base regen time by 1-.05 or 95%, five times. The bridge jumper at -20% multiplies it by 80% to give you the total. This 1:03:00 number sounds about right for the bridge jumper and 5 faction bonuses. My health regens in 59:30 or so with 6/6 from my faction and the bridge jumper. Hope this helps.

Roscoe782
04-26-2013, 06:26 PM
Excuse me...4 of 5 where we can't hit a soul

dloh1970
04-26-2013, 06:51 PM
My WD points seemed to be slashed in 1/2....after Operation Wolf and few other events...my lvl went from 95 to 118....could this be the reason? The last WD event...I got about 399 to sometimes 400+ WD points per hit when I win... and also when the player is of a much higher lvl than me...now my average score is about 199 to 250 points? Did Gree changed that?

Roscoe782
04-26-2013, 06:54 PM
I don't know what was changed or what has changed faction wise, but the same mismatching that happened in china is worse in Ireland.

Roscoe782
04-26-2013, 06:55 PM
Not spending my stock piled gold though:)

dloh1970
04-26-2013, 06:58 PM
Not spending my stock piled gold though:)

Hmm...let see here...I am the defense leader...my akt is at 300K....is that the main reason why I get all the faction with lvl 8 or higher fortification cuz it cost me 75 to 100 gold just to break down the wall....?

Colonel Jessup
04-26-2013, 07:14 PM
We are somewhere around 350th right now with a wide mix of opponents. 81st-1226th in china. I would like to see us matched strictly by WD points starting on the second day. In the china and so far in Ireland, having walls is actually detrimental to our team because of the poor current matching system. Either one or zero teams in our last fifty battles finished close enough that not having a wall would have moved them in front of us. Please match us by WD points.

vNastIER
04-26-2013, 08:40 PM
that sucks. it would be like ferr fighting top 4000 factions lol

vNastIER
04-26-2013, 08:48 PM
LOL ... 'You will get A good matchup during the event, though'

for sure on that one lmao. hope its not too good haa

BADMARKX
04-26-2013, 09:01 PM
EHU is playing this one as a free event. As a former 3x top 100 team, we used to get matched with the big boys.
So far it's been all cupcakes.

I am a cow
04-26-2013, 09:57 PM
We took on mad nuggett top 100 faction when we were top 500 last war wtf

BADMARKX
04-26-2013, 10:27 PM
We took on mad nuggett top 100 faction when we were top 500 last war wtf
Ouch, that's not right. I think the highest we faced was SUPER FACTION one time. Maybe in Brazil.

MCPON
04-26-2013, 11:00 PM
Our first 3/4 factions were top 20 and we've never placed higher than 87th. There is even a huge disparity between our levels so I can't imagine what some of you are going through

Trebor
04-26-2013, 11:37 PM
In brazil we came across a 1 man faction, he was 5 times stronger then anyone we had. Needless to say we got ****d by 1 dude. Guy was chuck Norris ,Rambo and the terminator wrapped up in a one man army.

BADMARKX
04-27-2013, 12:11 AM
In brazil we came across a 1 man faction, he was 5 times stronger then anyone we had. Needless to say we got ****d by 1 dude. Guy was chuck Norris ,Rambo and the terminator wrapped up in a one man army.
I've thought about doing the one man faction. It would interesting to see how one person could build a faction and see what happens in a year or so. H

riderrod
04-27-2013, 01:36 AM
Our second match was against a top 100 faction and we are perennially 1500. We got our butts kicked royally, but some of there guys screwed up and lost a bunch of fights. We ended up getting 27000 for hat match which is 5 times our normal amount. lol. Figure that out. We profited by someone else's gold and futility. LOL

Roscoe782
04-27-2013, 10:41 PM
Bump. I just wanna hear more stories. Ridiculous matches stilling happening to us even though not as frequent as at the beginning of the event (5 of first 6 matches). Basically it's good to know we aren't the only ones getting screwed:)

heal
04-28-2013, 05:47 AM
We just beat the China 370 ranked faction. We were ranked 1700 last war but have had 2 guild increases since then, and we're probably will be 1200-1300 this war. I thought that to be matched against another faction both factions had to declare war around the same time, but as this faction only got a couple of thousand points I'm wondering whether this is correct and you can catch out factions asleep.

mistergreen
04-28-2013, 06:11 AM
Hi

We are a small growing faction and we are usually around the top 1000 mark in these events.

We have delclared war and have been matched up against a top 75 faction.

It's a total missmatch, to say its been a bloodbath would be an understatement.

Please sort this out. :mad:

TCM

Welcome to the club. Just suck it up because nothing will be done about it.

Fazhang
04-28-2013, 06:18 AM
Bump. I just wanna hear more stories. Ridiculous matches stilling happening to us even though not as frequent as at the beginning of the event (5 of first 6 matches). Basically it's good to know we aren't the only ones getting screwed:)
We fought you guys

Fazhang
04-28-2013, 06:20 AM
Ouch, that's not right. I think the highest we faced was SUPER FACTION one time. Maybe in Brazil.
Haha one time? Try this: we (the buckweat connections) got ferr 3 times, SF once. We got ferr, SF, and VFF all in a row.... Yeah I know we are top 25, but dang. Give us a break

Roscoe782
04-28-2013, 06:59 AM
Haha one time? Try this: we (the buckweat connections) got ferr 3 times, SF once. We got ferr, SF, and VFF all in a row.... Yeah I know we are top 25, but dang. Give us a break

Exactly. Big diff between top 5 and top 25. Just like you guys and us. Top 25 and top 100. Know exactly what you mean. I think we got buckwheat once, moffos twice...kinda stopped paying attention. Quite a few were we hit CC and just let the pain rain down while we just recharged...nothin we could do

erickd271
04-28-2013, 10:02 AM
My faction is outside the top 250 as of now and we were matched up to two top 25 factions. In one match our score was about 18,000 and theirs 900,000! We basically knew we weren't going to make a dent to them and gave up that match.

Ter
04-28-2013, 04:21 PM
If it can't find someone perfect for your guild in a certain amount of time, it will widen the parameters a little. Then if it still can't do that, it will widen them again. So you guys (with your widened parameters) got matched up with a guild that also had widened parameters, due to the slow-down gumming up the works a little for everyone. We try to keep that from happening as much as is possible, but the idea here is that being able to get SOME points should always trump a situation where you're stuck and unable t get no points at all.

CJ54, could you say how exactly the factions are matched? By over all stats, by number of members, by ally count, by war standing, ect??

A couple other questions please.

1. Factions actually have to declare war to fight and then they are matched with others who declare? We wondered about the lack of retaliation from seemingly stronger factions. You would think they declared and are preparing to fight, but sometimes it seems no one is fighting..

2. If you declare war while waiting for health regen and gain points due to their losses, does it hurt your standing or make it harder to place? Some say logically, the points the other faction gets, they would have got anyways as if it was not you they were waring, they would be waring someone else. Others say it makes it harder as those points go against the overall standing points.

We are a struggling faction trying to understand the game and develop a good strategy..

Thank you much for your answers or anyone else who can answer.

Ter: Covert-Ops.

At1davis
04-28-2013, 06:30 PM
We just got paired up with VFF, MAU, and now McGurt back to back in a row and we are a top 250 team at best. Thanks gree.....I may get smart and delete this game. Matching people up should be fair. We can't even beat but maybe 1 player on each team.

I am a cow
04-28-2013, 06:36 PM
We just got paired up with VFF, MAU, and now McGurt back to back in a row and we are a top 250 team at best. Thanks gree.....I may get smart and delete this game. Matching people up should be fair. We can't even beat but maybe 1 player on each team.

Don't complain we are fighting PUN right now wtf we are top 500 and please go easy on me and leave me alone while I hit your command centre

At1davis
04-28-2013, 06:44 PM
Don't complain we are fighting PUN right now wtf we are top 500 and please go easy on me and leave me alone while I hit your command centre

That sucks, but we have had 12 teams out of top 25 this war. It's bs gree. They need to make the matching more even. No one wants to play the "I hit the command center" game.

I am a cow
04-28-2013, 06:51 PM
That sucks, but we have had 12 teams out of top 25 this war. It's bs gree. They need to make the matching more even. No one wants to play the "I hit the command center" game.

Tell me about it we had lots of top 50 and above teams just glad none of them attacked me too much but I can only hit the Command Centre and trust me it ain't fun

Roscoe782
04-28-2013, 11:06 PM
Just got "The Darkness", lol, wall and command center hits for 5 minutes then recharge...super fun!

cwayeharris
04-29-2013, 02:54 AM
Just got "The Darkness", lol, wall and command center hits for 5 minutes then recharge...super fun!

Roscoe782, as a member of the Darkenss, I can tell you that it frustrates us more.
We don't get any good WD targets. - It actually reduces our ability to maintain our top 25 spot.

Hope nobody in your team bled too much.

Grizz875
04-29-2013, 05:05 AM
Right on the edge of 250 and got top 50 the last 4 battles. Makes it hard to compete

Meta Rage Trollbot
04-29-2013, 06:16 AM
We faced a faction that I think wasn't even Top 1,000 in China. Of course, between declaring war and actually starting war the g****s in my fridge fermented into a fine wine.

I can tolerate match-ups like this just because I don't like waiting this long, but it was a bit surprising (and no, we were not "Thrilled" to be in a beat down since 80% of our players couldn't find a worthy target).

Fl@sh
04-29-2013, 06:29 AM
Nothing can beat PUN getting matched against a 2-man faction the first battle in China. Both were legit, low level players.

goldenarchie
04-29-2013, 08:52 AM
MGB had three days of top 100 and above factions to fight with...not fun for our lower level players.
Sunday we got some great matchups and rolled the table; got some points....the last 12 hours we have had it tough again.
oh well...keep up the push.
arch