the vault limit of 330k is hugely inadequate, needs to increase to like 1 or2 million

[King little fruit fly]

The manor upgrade costs a bunch, so is pretty everything in KA nowadays. Who is with me that the vault limit needs to increase to like 1 or2 million?

[Jixx]

The manor upgrade costs a bunch, so is pretty everything in KA nowadays. Who is with me that the vault limit needs to increase to like 1 or2 million?

no.

i had to write more, but there wasnt anythng else to say.

[RandomUser]

Not me. I'd like to see it reduced to 50k.

[Dracos]

I'm not. its fun to catch people over vaulted. When you are trying to make your BD 10 run or a manor4+ run it's fun to try and get there are fast as possible so you lose as little gold as you can. when I'm about half way my heart is pounding trying to find uncollected bldgs. we I see a manor, gold mine, lender playhouse a big smile come across my face. When you finish the upgrade then you have a sense of accomplishment.
that being said I think you have to raise 9 mil for the last manor. With the new rival list that would be next to impossible. so I think maybe a lvl based vault increase. like 140 350k, 150 400k, 160 500k so one till you get a big boost at lvl200 of half the cost of a manor 10. this will give a big perk to the 200s out there.

[Ruston]

No increase, its what brings balance to the game.
Its not cool with raiders being cynical d!cks, but its the challenge of solving the problem and beating the system underdogstyle that makes it so entertaining.

Ok, upgrading manors past lvl 5 is unfortunately only a heavy gem whale privilege.. (and ofcourse the "need to prove me wrong" lvl <100 inferior trollytwit player).. but other than that its in decent balance.

From one thing to another though... buildingtimes is something that grinds my gears.. if 1 building takes 25-35 DAYS to upgrade from lvl 1-10.. its gonna take an eon to get where you want... but that is a Gree-mmorpg-strategy i guess.

[VileDoom]

I am not in favor of a vault increase.

[Pophai]

No increase, it´s what makes the game fun. Raiding other players and getting raided (well thats not so much fun, but the revenche is).

With good tactics (raiding, timing, maybe even selling of buildings) you can make your upgrade. Or just wait and get stronger.

[l3lade2]

To 1 or 2 million?? Are you insane? So basically you want the last small piece of strategy taken out of the game, i.e. planning a run, raiding like crazy for 48 hours, timing building collection, selling a building or two, then finally pressing that sweet sweet upgrade button if you made it.

Gree has already sucked most of the life out of this game, this would be the final nail.

Ps. If you actually looked down on the forum you'd see many recent posts about increasing vault, to ~660k or something...why did you think your thread saying 1-2 million would get any different responses?

[Kjctnorris]

Is there an echo in here?

[MindMachine]

No to increase..It will get dull and the challenge part will be gone..

[Rastlin]

I say, no vaults at all.

[marko101]

Not me. I'd like to see it reduced to 50k.

I second this!!!! Epic idea

[Tben64]

The game changes,the introduction of Guilds shows that and has made BD 10 virtually impossible.Gree should now adapt the game further by substantially increasing the vault.(I bet most of the no votes are from those who already have their dragons!)

[Ruston]

Nice Avatar Tben64, is it an Epiphone ES-335?

[Rastlin]

The game changes,the introduction of Guilds shows that and has made BD 10 virtually impossible.Gree should now adapt the game further by substantially increasing the vault.(I bet most of the no votes are from those who already have their dragons!)
I just did my BD9 and BD10 this last week at level 145. I did it in 2 1/2 days total for both. So, I have to disagree. If you need help with doing a BD run, see my thread I made on it. http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?51113-Tips-on-making-your-Breeding-Den-9-and-10-%28Dragons%29-runs

[Nirmala]

I vote for no changes. It's the thrill in raiding and being raided makes this game alive. Sometimes you wake up in the middle of the night just to collect from buildings or to check whether someone raided your over-vaulted gold. I know I did. LOL

[l3lade2]

The game changes,the introduction of Guilds shows that and has made BD 10 virtually impossible.Gree should now adapt the game further by substantially increasing the vault.(I bet most of the no votes are from those who already have their dragons!)

People act as if a BD level 10 is the most expensive thing in the game and that if people have it they don't need money anymore....it isn't. I did my BD9 and 10 about 4 weeks ago, but I'm still going for Level 5+ Manors etc, which are quite easily do-able without a vault upgrade, and cost more than BD10.

It's only virtually impossible if you are one of the lowest stat players in your battle pool, in which case you have only yourself to blame and not the vault/game dynamics.

If anything, Gree have already made it easier to achieve a BD10 by introducing Upgrade Cost reduction bonus', how can people still be complaining when it now costs massively less than it used to? You want it to cost less and have bigger vaults? :confused:

[Angel 2]

No increase. It would take a lot of (what there is remaining) strategy out of the game. I recall the nervous three days over vault going for BD10 - the 5 or 6 attempts I had to save the required coin, the mad raiding and comments on my wall. What a feeling of achievement at the end. There are many paths to expensive upgrades, read some of the forum threads on different approaches to take. I would prefer new honour units, although that would increase the amount of PvP (LoL).

[Sixmoons]

I suppose you also want 100+ free gems per day ?

[Ratma2001]

Hey hey hey ! Hang about brussel sprout , if I had to do it limited to 330K you can too ! We have all done the run in different circumstances and got it, and you want the Silver Spoon treatment !? Here's a saying a heard ....Try to imagine there is No Spoon !
Best recipe for Bd run with capped vault ... Take glass from cupboard , go to hardware store store , ask for half a cup of concrete and add water to top stir left 4 times ..stir right 6 times and Drink, this will make you harden up and be like the rest of us that did the hard yards.
Don't change the game to suit you !

[Jeshu]

The game changes,the introduction of Guilds shows that and has made BD 10 virtually impossible.Gree should now adapt the game further by substantially increasing the vault.(I bet most of the no votes are from those who already have their dragons!)

Right on point! I think an increase is needed... Otherwise what's the point of manor 10?

[Ruston]

Yesh, yesh, increase it to onehondred bilion dolars, yesh!,yesh!

/not

[Jeshu]

Or how about being able to lend money from the guild bank? Any team players here...?

[Idiokus]

Increase the vault please!!! Vault was increased in MW and all is good...there will always be peeps over vault to raid!!

[Maire]

I am really not in favour of a vault increasing. I was rather annoyed (at least), when I got raided during my run to BD10, but yes it is part of the thrill of the game sorry.

[Tben64]

Nice Avatar Tben64, is it an Epiphone ES-335?
Thanks-my pride and joy an Epihone Sheraton (if I spent less time on KA I might learn to play it better!)

[Tben64]

Jeshu-good idea about loans from the Guild.
I can only recount my own experience when I attempted BD 10 run a few weeks ago(after eveyone started raiding like stink "for their Guild donations")I was at level 96 and in the upper 25% stats wise for my level.After the first day I was 110k over vault-overnight I was attacked by one rival and lost 90k!At that attrition rate it would take me about 50 days to achieve and I would have been scalped for 4.5 million-where's the fun in that or should I have just bent over and dropped my trousers?!

[Issaquah]

I agree that the vault would benefit from an increase but not even close to what is being suggested here. Getting upto 500-00k could make sense as it would provide additional cover getting manors started. Those better manors would make them bigger targets for others.

I wouldn't be surprised to find new honor units in the near future. MW and CC both introduced such items.

[Q-Ball]

...At that attrition rate it would take me about 50 days to achieve and I would have been scalped for 4.5 million-where's the fun in that or should I have just bent over and dropped my trousers?!

50 days? that means you're not doing enough raiding yourself... dropping your trousers? well that's your choice. So if you get raided, raid others even more. if you're top 25% of your level pool, you obviously need to be in top 10% to avoid being raided. INCREASE YOUR STATS everyone. It's not impossible, just harder.

[RandomUser]

Let's just make the vault infinite in size and nobody will ever have their precious fake money taken away from them ever.

[Tben64]

So if you get raided, raid others even more. I don't know how much raiding you've tried lately but everyone's being a lot more guarded.

[Jhoemel]

No increase

[sls]

The manor upgrade costs a bunch, so is pretty everything in KA nowadays. Who is with me that the vault limit needs to increase to like 1 or2 million?

No no no no no

[sparckle]

Many people, especially morons, are going to promote ideas that benefit themselves without regard to overall game feasibility. Just be thankful this OP is only a fraction as idiotic as the other thread starter who wanted a daily login bonus of 10,000 gems.

[Tben64]

Many people,especially morons, make no constructive contribution to this thread!

[Q-Ball]

I don't know how much raiding you've tried lately but everyone's being a lot more guarded.

A lot of people, but not everyone. look harder, i definitely have too because i'm at L138. But I can bring in $200k/day if not more. you're not restricted at raiding just Manors, Silos, Lenders. If you get desperate for money, hit up any income building. It'll just take longer, but you can do it. Read Rastlin's thread here on tips... http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?51113-Tips-on-making-your-Breeding-Den-9-and-10-(Dragons)-runs


Many people,especially morons, make no constructive contribution to this thread!

I think you're argument "for" a vault increase for the most part falls on deaf ears because while not only are those with dragons disagreeing with you, but those who are without or recently made the run disagree with you. One day you WILL be on the other side of this argument. See my link to tips above. Those tips make most sense given Guild Wars now exist.

[Valid or]

I am not sure about raising it into the millions but I would say bring it up to 500k, I would say 400k but with the coast and time for the upgrade 330 up to 500K would be about right.
I would think 500k vaulted gives players who are saving up for upgrades a good balance to work from while still giving them raiders something to look for( overvaulted)

[Kjctnorris]

I don't know how much raiding you've tried lately but everyone's being a lot more guarded.Granted, I had the last four days off from work, but I managed a lot of raiding. Over those four days, I donated over 2M to the guild, bought nearly 300 dragons, upgraded WToH to levels 8 and 9, and a manor to lvl 3 and my iph is just over 11k.

So raiding has been good for me.

Maybe you're practicing your guitar more than you think. Just sell your soul to the KA gods like the rest of us and you'll have BD10 in no time.

And I'm still a "no" on the vault increase. That'd take away a lot of my income and fun.

[Dogs Pizza]

no vault increase. the huge vaults in MW have ruined the game

[Dracos]

if you're top 25% of your level pool, you obviously need to be in top 10% to avoid being raided. INCREASE YOUR STATS everyone. It's not impossible, just harder.
with the new Rival system you can't be in the top 10 of your lvl pool. If will just increase your lvl pool. I see 20 lvl ahead and 8 behind. and stats from mid 200k - 600k. So unless your top ton in game I don't think you can avoid being raided.

[Tben64]

Maybe you're practicing your guitar more than you think.I wish I was ;)

[RandomUser]

Many people,especially morons, make no constructive contribution to this thread!

Seems like that was the concept of the OP, so at least they're staying on topic.

While not one of the morons, I stand by my original suggestion of lowering the vault. Doing so will solve your problem, as then everyone will be overvault and you'll have plenty of targets to raid to make your BD10 run.

[Wirelesscobra]

Hey all you na Sayers there was no big impact in Modern War when Gree changed the vault from 10 mil to 100 mil. You can still catch players over there limit and it does help daily players with increase to their attack, defense, guild donations, guild bonuses and better flow of the game.

To me the only reason you guys don't want the increase is because your afraid you going to get your butts kick all over the place by daily players who would take advantage of the new increase.

[Dracos]

Hey all you na Sayers there was no big impact in Modern War when Gree changed the vault from 10 mil to 100 mil. You can still catch players over there limit and it does help daily players with increase to their attack, defense, guild donations, guild bonuses and better flow of the game.

To me the only reason you guys don't want the increase is because your afraid you going to get your butts kick all over the place by daily players who would take advantage of the new increase.

1. I don't see how it will increase the guild donations. people will still sit at the max and donate over flow, or get to the max and donate a set amount. that's what most people do now. If anything it will slow donations down until people get the new max.
2.how will it get peoples attack and def up? no unit,weapon or armor cost more than 20k. If you mean the BD run for dragons, then you should know that if you do the LTQ within months Dragons will be useless.
3. how will a vault increase make people here get their butts kicked. I would say that everyone here is a daily player.

[Kjctnorris]

Hey all you na Sayers there was no big impact in Modern War when Gree changed the vault from 10 mil to 100 mil. You can still catch players over there limit and it does help daily players with increase to their attack, defense, guild donations, guild bonuses and better flow of the game.

To me the only reason you guys don't want the increase is because your afraid you going to get your butts kick all over the place by daily players who would take advantage of the new increase.You caught me...

[Jean marc]

No increase, will take all the fun out of the game.

[Jixx]

community is divided, end of debate?

[Seryna]

As someone that just got their bd10 last night I disagree still. While yes it was hard and I did get attacked twice and lost a lot, it has also been the most enjoyable part of the game. That sense of accomplishment would not be the same if it was too easy. No matter your stats, unless you are a heavy gem player you will get attacked/raided. The key is raiding more than what you lose. I think raising the vault might actually make it harder to get bd10 since even less people will be overvault for you to attack.

[Skyraiders]

No to increase ....i dont want to increase the vault.....Did i mention i don't want a vault increase......oh by the way did you hear.....NO!!!!!

and lets not forget the most important thing....NO VAULT INCREASE

last thing ......STOP CRYIN ABOUT YOUR VAULT BEING TO SMALL...WAAAAAAAAAA

[Mickeytah]

I want my vault increased. Not the rest of you clowns.

[MidnightExpress]

If you did you Bd10 run and now have Dragons, you get the Vault Increase... You deserve it. It will make you appreciate the increase and quit expecting to be handed something for doing nothing.

[Q-Ball]

with the new Rival system you can't be in the top 10 of your lvl pool. If will just increase your lvl pool. I see 20 lvl ahead and 8 behind. and stats from mid 200k - 600k. So unless your top ton in game I don't think you can avoid being raided.

I didn't say u could avoid being raided, I'm saying u limit the number of people who can raid you.


Hey all you na Sayers there was no big impact in Modern War when Gree changed the vault from 10 mil to 100 mil. You can still catch players over there limit and it does help daily players with increase to their attack, defense, guild donations, guild bonuses and better flow of the game.

To me the only reason you guys don't want the increase is because your afraid you going to get your butts kick all over the place by daily players who would take advantage of the new increase.

Firstly, the economics of MW is much different than KA. There are no unit buildings that cost more than your 10mil vault limit. So all units can be purchased with previous vault limit. Secondly, Please explain how you will kick our butts all over the place...

[Me&You]

I would like to be a rocket scientist, cause they make good money and it's a cool job. But it's too hard to become one, so I'm going to lobby the government to make it easier so I can be a rich rocket scientist without having to work hard to get there.

[Jeshu]

Let's just make the vault infinite in size and nobody will ever have their precious fake money taken away from them ever.

Everyone tends to forget that regardless of vault size, you can still raid an uncollected building...
Besides with LTQs, how can you blame people for asking for a bigger vault. Some of them just can't afford to spend any money. Eventually people WILL hate this game because it will be a 1mil stats mega gem player vs a 300k free one.

[Jeshu]

As someone that just got their bd10 last night I disagree still. While yes it was hard and I did get attacked twice and lost a lot, it has also been the most enjoyable part of the game. That sense of accomplishment would not be the same if it was too easy. No matter your stats, unless you are a heavy gem player you will get attacked/raided. The key is raiding more than what you lose. I think raising the vault might actually make it harder to get bd10 since even less people will be overvault for you to attack.

Just to prove my point. I got raided 4 times today. There is no way in hell that BD10 can be accomplish at a higher level because of stupid LTQs...

If they don't increase the vault then at least be fair and have a better matching system. Why when I have 490 allies, I'm able to attack someone with 60 allies...

[VileDoom]

Just to prove my point. I got raided 4 times today. There is no way in hell that BD10 can be accomplish at a higher level because of stupid LTQs...

If they don't increase the vault then at least be fair and have a better matching system. Why when I have 490 allies, I'm able to attack someone with 60 allies...

One of my guild mates just started their BD10 upgrade today at level 163. It is possible with the right planning. ;)

[Ratma2001]

Just to prove my point. I got raided 4 times today. There is no way in hell that BD10 can be accomplish at a higher level because of stupid LTQs...
You are doing a BD run at level 168 !! thats working well for you ! should have done it earlier , even doing it at 120 was a challenge for me, best advice keep raiding !, you got hit 4 times, but i bet you can raid more than 4 times ?

If they don't increase the vault then at least be fair and have a better matching system. Why when I have 490 allies, I'm able to attack someone with 60 allies...
Which means you will have a greater varity in your BL to choose from, rather that than a limited list which i had when i did my run, just for your info, it took me 7 hours to accumilate the gold and i didnt Sell any Buildings or buy any gold, just raided like a demon ! evrychance just raid.

[Tben64]

One of my guild mates just started their BD10 upgrade today at level 163. It is possible with the right planning. ;)Yeah if I try really hard I expect I could get the run time down to 20 odd days and only bleed away about 2 million- sounds a lot of fun!

[Jeshu]

One of my guild mates just started their BD10 upgrade today at level 163. It is possible with the right planning. ;)

What's his ally count and stats?

[Jeshu]

I don't want to start another thread but I would rather see a way to lend from the guild bank than increasing the vault itself. That way, if someone wants to lend money for a Manor 6 or 7 can repay the guild when finished...

Besides only trustworthy guild members will benefit from it, therefore it shouldn't drastically affect the raiding ratios

[Rastlin]

Yeah if I try really hard I expect I could get the run time down to 20 odd days and only bleed away about 2 million- sounds a lot of fun!
Then you are not ready yet. Read my post on making the run. Use it as a check off list. Once you are ready go for it. That is what we all did. I made my run last week, and at level 145. It can, and will be done by those that want to do it. Those that don't want to do the work will never make it, nor should they.

[Rastlin]

One of my guild mates just started their BD10 upgrade today at level 163. It is possible with the right planning. ;)
Congrats to them! They worked hard for it and got it, just like it should be! :cool:

[Jeshu]

Then you are not ready yet. Read my post on making the run. Use it as a check off list. Once you are ready go for it. That is what we all did. I made my run last week, and at level 145. It can, and will be done by those that want to do it. Those that don't want to do the work will never make it, nor should they.

I'm guessing you dont get daily attacked by players with 200 - 300k stats more than you...

[Rastlin]

I'm guessing you dont get daily attacked by players with 200 - 300k stats more than you...
At level 145, I get attacked by people 400-500k stats higher than me.

[Me&You]

A player in the 140's got their BD10 two days ago, despite multiple raids and attacks by players 200k higher.

The vault is not your issue. You are the issue. Read the advice, get it done, reap the rewards.

[VVolf]

The vault is not your issue. You are the issue. Read the advice, get it done, reap the rewards.

Agreed. Several members of my guild have obtained their BD 9 and 10 within the last week or two. LOTS of people are doing it. They are not hackers. It's possible. It's happening. Stop complaining and do it!

It's actually easier now than ever. The fact that there is a much lower cap on how much people can steal from you, as well as a significant reduction in the price you pay for the breeding den is a MASSIVE advantage you had on people who already got their BD 10s prior to the guilds.

Gree helped you by reducing the max amount stolen from you AND made it cheaper. You got helped on both ends of the problem. How much easier do you want them to make it? How much easier can they make it? Do you want every player to just start the game with BD 10?

Edit: This applies to Manors as well, and any other high cost upgrade. It's part of the game. The game is changing, and therefore you need to change as well.

[Rastlin]

It's actually easier now than ever. The fact that there is a much lower cap on how much people can steal from you, as well as a significant reduction in the price you pay for the breeding den is a MASSIVE advantage you had on people who already got their BD 10s prior to the guilds.

Gree helped you by reducing the max amount stolen from you AND made it cheaper. You got helped on both ends of the problem. How much easier do you want them to make it? How much easier can they make it? Do you want every player to just start the game with BD 10?


People just do not understand that it is easier now than ever... I am done with this thread...

[-OP-]

No to increase. The game is about more than clicking buttons. Sometimes you have to plan and execute then adapt and adjust to get the end results.

Raiding is a great way to make that money too. You just have to build up some strength and alliance to make it work. 330K is more than enough to get you started after that.... Well that is why you have great kingdoms and some not so great kingdoms in history. Another example you have some rocket scientists and some village idiots. Some great leaders/operators and some followers/support staff.

Just helps distinguish the level of player........

[echus14]

Just an observation: Loss of units by players who are raiding/PvP-ing seems to have largely been worked out too (kudos to GREE for that). Not seeing the bad old days when you raided a silo with 4x attack to defense, and still lost a flaming cat/treb or even dragon in the process.

[RandomUser]

If it were EASY, everybody would have BD10 by now. It took me 7 weeks of planning and preparation from the time I decided to go for BD10 to when I achieved it. And there weren't hundreds of posts worth of advice on how to do it. I mostly figured it out for myself. What I didn't do is ***** or moan that the game wasn't fair when I got attacked and lost gold. And that will happen sooner or later every time you go over vault. It still happens to me now and I have some pretty decent stats. There will always be somebody with stats high enough to get your cash.

The game designers put in the ability to attack and take other players' gold from the beginning. Everybody with BD10 has had to overcome this aspect of gameplay. Perhaps you should take the effort you're putting into trying to get the rules changed for you should instead be put into figuring out how you're going to make yourself strong enough to push through and get what you want.

[Brutus]

Basicly, if you can generate 120k+/8hours on average there is no limit to the building upgrades you can do. It's never been easier.

[Intan jabrut]

Let see this thread in other ways. in my opinion, its better GREE upgrade vault limit for 25 M. Do you know why ? coz players can upgrade their Manor L10. can you imagine if thousands of players have 2 Manors L10 & they don't collect it on time ? this is a chance for raiders to grab it & I think in this forum not too many players have 2 Manors L10 right ? but a lot of players have BD10. So think about it in other ways. Cheers..
Note : Sorry my English is not good.

[Generic_Username]

I think everyone who said the vault should be increased really should shut the f#(x ^p and raise their IQ instead. 25 million? really? LMAO :p

[echus14]

erm. But by that same measure, wouldn't it be better if GREE just started everyone one off with a fully-equiped Kingdom less gem buildings?

[Dexter Morgan]

I think gree should take away the attack and raid feature all together, and replace it with rock paper scissors button

[Jeshu]

I think everyone who said the vault should be increased really should shut the f#(x ^p and raise their IQ instead. 25 million? really? LMAO :p

So just because people disagree with you, you have to tell them to STFU? Wow do we live in a close minded society? Do we live in the Middle East that you can't have your own opinions?

[Mickeytah]

Just to prove my point. I got raided 4 times today. There is no way in hell that BD10 can be accomplish at a higher level because of stupid LTQs...

Not true. You can get it with careful planning.

And whose fault is if you get into whale territory before getting BD10?

[Q-Ball]

Not true. You can get it with careful planning.

And whose fault is if you get into whale territory before getting BD10?

+1000 to this... spend the money you've saved towards more units. protect yourself.

[Shinazueli]

Please stop replying to this thread so it will fall off the first page. It needs to die. If I could post this without actually posting I would.

[Tben64]

Please stop replying to this thread so it will fall off the first page. It needs to die. If I could post this without actually posting I would.BANG!!The classic sound of someone shooting themself in the foot!

[-OP-]

I think gree should take away the attack and raid feature all together, and replace it with rock paper scissors button
Dex I vote you in to help develop that section of gameplay. While you are there can you set it up to have complainers about vault size have their vaults reduced by 20% each complaint....that way they might eventually have a decent gripe.

Earned 700k over the course of the day yesterday by hitting maps and raiding weaker kingdoms. If you can't manage your money, I'll be more than happy to help you invest it, I need another 1000 or so dragons.

[BadNews]

got an idea, maybe bad idea.

How about gem upgrade over 330k? If you gem upgrade, there are no limit.

[-OP-]

Don't like it BadNews unless it is made PROHIBITIVELY EXPENSIVE. In other words if you want (read need) it that bad the. Put your wallet out and pay to play. Big part of this game is raiding kingdoms and pillaging them of their gold. If we have big vaults then what is the purpose of battles other than "honor"? Hard enough to find decent raids now.....

Next people will be complaining that the raid payouts are to great and they should have a grace period to collect.... As a pastor friend of mine likes to say, "toughen up buttercup"

[Tben64]

Dex I vote you in to help develop that section of gameplay. While you are there can you set it up to have complainers about vault size have their vaults reduced by 20% each complaint....that way they might eventually have a decent gripe.

Earned 700k over the course of the day yesterday by hitting maps and raiding weaker kingdoms. If you can't manage your money, I'll be more than happy to help you invest it, I need another 1000 or so dragons.

You can take my Vault away completely if you like.Perhaps there should also be punishment for gloaters ;)

BANG-the thread that wont die!!

[a glory a]

got an idea, maybe bad idea.

How about gem upgrade over 330k? If you gem upgrade, there are no limit.

There's no point in money in the game after a certain point so it becomes pointless. You don't need to buy dragons anymore, boost buildings are upgraded... Then what? Upgrade money buildings to upgrade money buildings? With the occasional guild donations. Just donate 300k a time to the guild and you'll never have to worry about being over vault anyway.

[Mickeytah]

got an idea, maybe bad idea.

How about gem upgrade over 330k? If you gem upgrade, there are no limit.

Right, because what this game needs is more disparity between gem players and free players.

[Skyraiders]

Are we really still discussing this. There is no discussion needed. Stop cryin and use some stategy to get what you want whether its a BD10 or high level gold building. Stop with the vault increase...some things in life you just have to work for. You want everything handed to you. If so where is the gratification on earning what you work for, or a sense of self accomplishment. Just do the work and you will appreciate it more. Stop cryin every time someone raids you. You have eight hours from that raiding to get to what you want or need for your upgrade. DO THE WORK!!! Now go raid someone it will make you feel better.

Just for the record its easier now than ever to get a BD10 or build your manors up.

[-OP-]

Not bragging but I had no trouble getting to BD 9 and 10 did them back to back.
Let my guild know I won't be donating for a few days. From there I spent the days after the last event prepping my maps.
Started with the highest map and worked my way down to hit the mobs enough to get one hit kills when I was ready for the cash.
Worked my income collections to collect from my 24 and 48 hour buildings about the same time

When I was ready to make the move most of the income came from my own IPH and pay outs and from my maps, had to refill my energy for the BD 10 run which I paid for with free gems (watched a few videos). Made a few raids as well and went to sleep knowing that in a few days I would have dragons. Now I follow the same rules to raise up them dragons, with the exception to donating.

If you read the forums there are plenty of details and FAQ on how to get BD10. You just have to plan it out. I do admit I'm not level 83 so I don't have to worry about the whales mugging me but its timing and planning that gets you there. But whale zone just means a bit more timing and planning like the selling of assets. I'm just glad I had the wisdom of my elders to convince me to do it sooner rather than later.

Oh and do it on week days between events when players are decompressing from the game and occupied with real life.