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aether100
04-01-2013, 01:21 PM
As soon as China finished I started losing high valor units on every other raid or attack FIX this please . I already lost all my Attack/Defense that i bought from gold units during China . This is not right!

All that is man
04-01-2013, 01:27 PM
Same thing happening here, lost 2k stats very quickly

BeardedBubba
04-01-2013, 01:28 PM
Same here. I'm losing up to three Brigand Lightnings per single attack on opponents with much smaller stats than mine. Foes with 100k att/def less than me are killing my big valor units. Wtf.

Depleted
04-01-2013, 01:35 PM
Same here, it is frustrating

Genen
04-01-2013, 01:37 PM
As soon as China finished I started losing high valor units on every other raid or attack FIX this please . I already lost all my Attack/Defense that i bought from gold units during China . This is not right!
Ye you try to raid my buildings again and toy will lose more brigands

KFH
04-01-2013, 01:38 PM
Yup losing 5 to ten units defending and losing high valor units when i attack. Also Lightnings should be changed to a high casualty rate

(ENG)VirtualHero-79
04-01-2013, 01:46 PM
I have lost more units in the last 15 attackes then I lose in a year please fix ASAP , many thanks

Maggan
04-01-2013, 01:55 PM
The same for me, dropped at least 1.5-2k. Pls fix and give us some kind of compensation...

veeridian
04-01-2013, 02:10 PM
11 attacks on a guy 14k points defense less than my attack. Lost 14 units. Those I could replace cost me valor and over $4million. What the heck?
total over 24 attacks, lost over 30 units and $8 million to replace... This is stupid.

MODERNWAR.COMMANDER
04-01-2013, 02:21 PM
1 to 3 units lost per attack 80 to 90 percent of the time. I have stopped attacking completely until this is fixed! What is going on???

2nd dan
04-01-2013, 02:23 PM
I've lost 15k valor in units plus 10k to replace them!!

Durt McGurt
04-01-2013, 02:24 PM
Same....Spec ops planes falling quick.

ghh
04-01-2013, 02:25 PM
This is the beginning of the end for GREE! I have two profiles running one I lose loads on and don't attack on! The other I don't lose many at all I love that one if this continues that's it for me it's not worth the downward spiral of doom.
Fix it or lose us. You are trying our patience once again!
I'm not impressed at all.

gcooldude
04-01-2013, 02:26 PM
I lost more than 2K attack and defence in this last faction event. Please fix this Gree.

ghh
04-01-2013, 02:27 PM
Simply answer stop attacking and raiding! That's my order to my faction. Stay put its impossible to play like this!
What is the point!

GeneralLedger89
04-01-2013, 02:29 PM
I hope this is fixed very soon before my entire attack and defense stats go out the window.....

MvG
04-01-2013, 02:32 PM
Same here! 1-4 units every hit! Right after China was over. This is madness

Knightrider
04-01-2013, 02:35 PM
Got to say this game is great,cant beat it however modern war team you really need to sort yourselves out everyday there is a problem which is fine if you play as a free player but if your buying gold then you have a vested interest just like anything else you would pay for, your service at best is woeful the list of problems is far too great to list, and contact support might as well be put in the bin I get a reply saying case closed and nothing as ever been sorted a proper e- mail address required to solve issues would be a good start. Just lost over 400 stats in 12 raids yet another problem your either a professional company and act like one or sooner or later people will leave. Sorry for the rant but just sick of the problems and everyone I know is too.

SoccerStud
04-01-2013, 02:37 PM
Is this the thread where all of the new members actually post. Where the hell did they all come from?

desi_ger
04-01-2013, 02:37 PM
Same here! 1-6 units every hit!

Toughy
04-01-2013, 02:39 PM
Same thing here

IlliniFan1
04-01-2013, 02:41 PM
Not cool. I lost my Modified Fighter from the superiority event, a Transport Raider, and countless Expert Attack Drones and SEALs. Please fix this

Flyinscot
04-01-2013, 02:43 PM
Experiencing the same thing here, 20 attacks after China lost between 1 & 3 high end valor/mission loot items each attack.
And yes i have stopped attacking/raiding now and a ticket has been sent to Gree, could be camping for a while.

SJAMBEK
04-01-2013, 02:49 PM
Same here i stop with raid......

GeneralLedger89
04-01-2013, 02:52 PM
Hopefully it is fixed before the limited time goal event or that could be rather damaging....

Xander75
04-01-2013, 02:54 PM
Same as, losing high value Valor and farmed units at a stupid rate!

CJ get this sorted! Plus where the frig is my 250 Mig?!

IlliniFan1
04-01-2013, 03:10 PM
My attack and defense have almost dropped 2k in half an hour of attacks.

IlliniFan1
04-01-2013, 03:13 PM
Now that the Event is over I've noticed every time I attack/raid I lose more and more Valor Units? Why was this put in place? Are you expecting us to buy more gold units? What's up with this?
I know. My stats are going WAY down.

Ascent
04-01-2013, 03:15 PM
Sell your infirmaries...

not kidding, I accidentally sold mine yesterday and my casualties dropped

its a trap!

:D

GeneralLedger89
04-01-2013, 03:18 PM
Sell your infirmaries...

not kidding, I accidentally sold mine yesterday and my casualties dropped

its a trap!

:D

How does that work??? Weird game....

ghh
04-01-2013, 03:20 PM
How does that work??? Weird game....

Not a nice April fool.

Justdavew32
04-01-2013, 03:21 PM
What are these guys on??
Why do they continually change the algorithms?
How can they screw up so much?

This is getting very tiring and boring Gree!!

Sort yourselves out.

Generik79
04-01-2013, 03:22 PM
It's a unit bloodbath. CEASE FIRE. Halting all raids and attacks till this is sorted.

Justinrwl
04-01-2013, 03:22 PM
Same thing 2 or 3 valor units lost during every raid or attack immediately after the war. I Lost 150 to 200 defense per attack that's messed up. I had 70k on the guys I was hitting also.

GeneralLedger89
04-01-2013, 03:23 PM
What are these guys on??
Why do they continually change the algorithms?
How can they screw up so much?

This is getting very tiring and boring Gree!!

Sort yourselves out.

I am with you on this, why wasn't it left the way it was...?

ghh
04-01-2013, 03:25 PM
Sell your infirmaries...

not kidding, I accidentally sold mine yesterday and my casualties dropped

its a trap!

:D

April the 1st mate are you having a laugh.

YourPastLife
04-01-2013, 03:25 PM
Apparently all the complaining about casualties in the PvP event before the war pissed someone off so they decided to give us more.

Golf4life
04-01-2013, 03:26 PM
I am with you on this, why wasn't it left the way it was...?

Because no one had been complaining about it...

IlliniFan1
04-01-2013, 03:26 PM
It's a unit bloodbath. CEASE FIRE. Halting all raids and attacks till this is sorted.
I'm with you Generik79.

GeneralLedger89
04-01-2013, 03:28 PM
I wanted to get to the next battle rank before the next ever started as well, this wont help...

IlliniFan1
04-01-2013, 03:29 PM
I wanted to get to the next battle rank before the next ever started as well, this wont help...
Same here. I'm 20,000 points away from Colonel.

GeneralLedger89
04-01-2013, 03:31 PM
Same here. I'm 20,000 points away from Colonel.

Sometimes it's like they are deliberately trying to slow us down!

Jhenry02
04-01-2013, 03:31 PM
I've lost 100 super hornets, 100 elite water cruisers, all the high end valor units I received completing Force Degradation missions.

About 9k in stats.

GeneralLedger89
04-01-2013, 03:32 PM
I've lost 100 super hornets, 100 elite water cruisers, all the high end valor units I received completing Force Degradation missions.

About 9k in stats.

Do what everyone else is doing then and stop attacking people, that easy!

Justdavew32
04-01-2013, 03:32 PM
I've lost 100 super hornets, 100 elite water cruisers, all the high end valor units I received completing Force Degradation missions.

About 9k in stats.

I always enjoyed camping as a child. Time to start again! Well done Gree!!!!

IlliniFan1
04-01-2013, 03:35 PM
Hopefully Gree sees this. I can't be constantly losing my valor and loot units like this.

ghh
04-01-2013, 03:37 PM
Stop stop stop. You cannot play this game like this if we all stop GREE will have no options but to sort it.
Do they care I don't know I think they are enjoying this. They are sat back watching us go!
We are the idiots not GREE, they are raking it in.

IlliniFan1
04-01-2013, 03:39 PM
And hopefully this is just some kind of bug in the game.

soulnmysole
04-01-2013, 03:41 PM
I've lost 100 super hornets, 100 elite water cruisers, all the high end valor units I received completing Force Degradation missions.

About 9k in stats.
Why would you continue to attack if you notice you're losing units at a higher rate than normal?

Ironman3503
04-01-2013, 03:41 PM
Same here losing 2 elite choppers every other attack or raid.

ghh
04-01-2013, 03:41 PM
What are these guys on??
Why do they continually change the algorithms?
How can they screw up so much?

This is getting very tiring and boring Gree!!

Sort yourselves out.

Yes.
I think they are trying to write it off too many bugs to fix.
Get rid of your customers by upsetting them then shut it down.
Walk away with enough to retire on.
Nice plan, now that's what I call tactics.
Well done CJ.
Your a genius!

GeneralLedger89
04-01-2013, 03:42 PM
Well, I have sent an email to support, hopefully they get to me on this one fairly quickly!

IlliniFan1
04-01-2013, 03:44 PM
Time for some PvE I guess.

ghh
04-01-2013, 03:45 PM
Well, I have sent an email to support, hopefully they get to me on this one fairly quickly!

Dream on GREE don't do quick!

Not for me anyway.

Sir strop
04-01-2013, 03:46 PM
I have the same issue, when it's fixed are we to get our units back? Or will you pay off everyone with a bonus unit.? It will need to replace the 3000 A/D I just lost. Making the entire China event a complete joke. Easter weekend war and all the benefits now out the window. Good job. Keep up the disappointment for us all and soon you will be left with only the hackers you support.
sir 648686250

whiskeybravo
04-01-2013, 03:52 PM
Incoming /we have not done anything to the casualty rate but we will look into it response.

aether100
04-01-2013, 03:57 PM
Sell your infirmaries...

not kidding, I accidentally sold mine yesterday and my casualties dropped

its a trap!



:D


if that is an April fools joke Good one :) Where is CJ?

StevieBoy
04-01-2013, 03:59 PM
Gree, you need to fix and address the HUGE change in Casualty Rate I have now right after the China war ended....You should also return the dozens of units back to my profile....My player ID is 199-257-491

GeneralLedger89
04-01-2013, 04:03 PM
Gree, you need to fix and address the HUGE change in Casualty Rate I have now right after the China war ended....You should also return the dozens of units back to my profile....My player ID is 199-257-491

I think it is a little optimistic to hope for your units back as well sadly :-(

IlliniFan1
04-01-2013, 04:05 PM
I think it is a little optimistic to hope for your units back as well sadly :-(
I wish I had my Modified Fighter back. Oh well.

GeneralLedger89
04-01-2013, 04:07 PM
I wish I had my Modified Fighter back. Oh well.

You could always beg....

ghh
04-01-2013, 04:12 PM
Just lost one of my key players in my faction he's had enough of this and has quit the game!
Thanks GREE.

Jhenry02
04-01-2013, 04:16 PM
Why would you continue to attack if you notice you're losing units at a higher rate than normal?

Because I just don't care anymore

IlliniFan1
04-01-2013, 04:25 PM
You could always beg....
I can do without it as long as they change this casualty rate. Still wish I had it though.

procsyzarc
04-01-2013, 04:27 PM
Quick release the next LE building while no one is attacking.

I did a quick test 15 attacks and 10 raids on a person with 90k d versus my 330k attack and didn't lose anything so seems normal to me

procsyzarc
04-01-2013, 04:30 PM
Yes.
I think they are trying to write it off too many bugs to fix.
Get rid of your customers by upsetting them then shut it down.
Walk away with enough to retire on.
Nice plan, now that's what I call tactics.
Well done CJ.
Your a genius!

I don't think CJ has anything to do with it, in fact he would most likely just lose his job if/when this happens so wouldn't be in his instrests

GeneralLedger89
04-01-2013, 04:30 PM
Quick release the next LE building while no one is attacking.

I did a quick test 15 attacks and 10 raids on a person with 90k d versus my 330k attack and didn't lose anything so seems normal to me

Well I just attacked 10 times and lost 9 elite ops helicopters, so something not right for me...

IlliniFan1
04-01-2013, 04:31 PM
I'm still losing a ton of units.

procsyzarc
04-01-2013, 04:32 PM
I've lost 100 super hornets, 100 elite water cruisers, all the high end valor units I received completing Force Degradation missions.

About 9k in stats.

If you lost over 200 units and carried on then it is as much your own fault as Gree's

Jhenry02
04-01-2013, 04:33 PM
If it was 200 I'd laugh it off. It was closer to 2000

GeneralLedger89
04-01-2013, 04:34 PM
If you lost over 200 units and carried on then it is as much your own fault as Gree's

Lol or maybe he is just making sure it is an incredibly fair test, 200+ units later, definitely broken!

CJ54
04-01-2013, 04:51 PM
Guys, watch the language.

We're looking into this one right now.

GeneralLedger89
04-01-2013, 04:52 PM
Guys, watch the language.

We're looking into this one right now.

That's excellent news, thanks

IlliniFan1
04-01-2013, 04:56 PM
Guys, watch the language.

We're looking into this one right now.
Thank you CJ!

aether100
04-01-2013, 04:57 PM
Guys, watch the language.

We're looking into this one right now.

Thanks CJ
almost to 9k in loses now (from other people raids and attacks . I stopped playing) . Around the amount as my new china units

Maverick50727
04-01-2013, 04:58 PM
CJ. Did you guys ever fix the bug that gave some people the 1,000% valor vs 20% it was supposed to? You never responded to me.

seaagg
04-01-2013, 05:05 PM
My casualty rate went up about 5000% following the end of the war, its CRAZY out there. I am on a cease fire till its resolved.

Jhenry02
04-01-2013, 05:06 PM
Ok seriously 3000 units give or take.
90 elite water cruisers
99 super hornets
600 old battleships
300 light gunners
590 jungle helicopters
300 tree snipers

And a thousand other assorted units from jeeps to aircraft carriers.

Thanks again bap!

And yeah the valor bonus was multiplied by 12 and not 1.2 for that unit. Because I talked to a guy who was getting 90 valor an attack.

GeneralLedger89
04-01-2013, 05:08 PM
Ok seriously 3000 units and counting.
90 elite water cruisers
99 super hornets
600 old battleships
300 light gunners
590 jungle helicopters
300 tree snipers

And a thousand other assorted units from jeeps to aircraft carriers.

Thanks again bap!

Just stop attacking you crazy person :-)

Warrenisit1
04-01-2013, 05:24 PM
Why in the world would you repeatedly do something that's so damaging? It took you 100 super hornets, 100 elite water cruisers, and other units to finally stop raiding and attacking? hahahahaha :rolleyes::rolleyes:


I've lost 100 super hornets, 100 elite water cruisers, all the high end valor units I received completing Force Degradation missions.

About 9k in stats.

Jhenry02
04-01-2013, 05:24 PM
Lol that was what The Darkness did to me in WD.

And I'm not crazy. My psychiatrist says I'm special.

-Jason

Ryans67
04-01-2013, 05:26 PM
Am I the only guy looking for JHenry to test this out??? :D J/K

psrnxg
04-01-2013, 05:32 PM
It's happening to me as well. I'm losing strong units to players that are 70k weaker than me. Please fix this ASAP.

Letsgoravens
04-01-2013, 05:46 PM
I hope they fix this ASAP
I lost a dozen high end units in a dozen attacks on my base

IlliniFan1
04-01-2013, 05:49 PM
I just want to be able to attack again so I can get Colonel rank.

jomama
04-01-2013, 05:50 PM
9 pages of postings and not one person has put it in terms of ratio. it doesnt matter the value your att vs opponent def, its the ratio of your att to his def. i only pvp 1/5 of my attack and hardly ever lose. it is still normal for me after the event.

aether100
04-01-2013, 06:12 PM
9 pages of postings and not one person has put it in terms of ratio. it doesnt matter the value your att vs opponent def, its the ratio of your att to his def. i only pvp 1/5 of my attack and hardly ever lose. it is still normal for me after the event.

Thanks for refraining from being smug, reading and understanding the issue thoroughly .

maestro84
04-01-2013, 06:18 PM
I am having the same issue as everyone else. It has made the game unplayable! I cannot do anything as far as attack or raid. I am losing extremely high value units on almost every attack or raid. Most of the time I am losing 2 or 3 of these units. I have lost approximately 5 million dollars in units and countless valor units. I stopped playing. If it doesn't get fixed soon, I will have to leave my faction.

Steelersfan
04-01-2013, 06:33 PM
Same here FIX IT GREE!

bloving
04-01-2013, 06:40 PM
Same thing for me but I've just told my faction members to take the night off. Just waiting patiently for it to be fixed. Think I'll find a good movie to watch instead. :)

ID: 151-153-574

P-TeCH
04-01-2013, 06:41 PM
same here, I almost NEVER had casualities and when i did have some, it was like one unit in fifty attacks on opponents. And even then, I used to lose units in a logical way, losses were following the casuality rates. For example I would lose a low-casuality unit by a chance of 0.01 or 1% per battle as it should be - meaning one approx. every 100th battle.

Now I lose brigand lightnigs in almost EVERY attack and in every raid. Sometimes accompanied with B-52's or Elite Ops Choppers, all quite pricey units with a medium or low casuality rate.


I don't know where this is coming from, may be the WD event or the fact that I made Lvl 125 these days. However I expect you to give out an explanation and make some changes. If things keep going like that i don't see any reason to keep playing this game. I have been building my account for a year now and I already see my stats going down since that change during the last WD event. Honestly, this SUCKS!

gero
04-01-2013, 06:41 PM
This is ridiculous another mysterious increase in casualties before or after an event. This is becoming a pattern gree. You continue to deny, deny, deny and this is not acceptable. The losses were bad enough before, but now it is outlandish. Fix your game/programming/code, cxommunicate across function teams, and answer outstanding tickets. Then after all that you might have success in rolling out new features in game.

RedCloud
04-01-2013, 06:42 PM
Far as I'm concerned, they can leave it like this. They've made it impossible for a bunch of us to PVP with their misconceived new rival algorithm. Why not kill PVP entirely?

Augie
04-01-2013, 06:43 PM
Ok seriously 3000 units give or take.
90 elite water cruisers
99 super hornets
600 old battleships
300 light gunners
590 jungle helicopters
300 tree snipers

And a thousand other assorted units from jeeps to aircraft carriers.

Thanks again bap!

And yeah the valor bonus was multiplied by 12 and not 1.2 for that unit. Because I talked to a guy who was getting 90 valor an attack.


Man I'd love to lose all my tree snipers, old aircraft carriers and jungle helos - where do I sign up?

Apone
04-01-2013, 06:55 PM
Just hit 1 amr a d lost 1-2 units per hit.
Went onto an oil rig and lost 3 more units in 2 hits and gave up, never had losses like this! More units lost in those 5 hits than the whole of bfc.

Unplayable for pvp at the mo fo me. Hope it's a bug and not gree messing in background to get us to have 2000 indestructible gold units !!!

Jd-fors
04-01-2013, 07:03 PM
I lost 50 units in 10 minutes including a 60 gold unit

At1davis
04-01-2013, 07:04 PM
How am I losing 1-5 high valor or loot items with low to very low loss rates every attack. My attack is 200k and I'm losing them to people with defense of 20-50k. Seriously. I'm losing interest in the game. And where is my level 250 mig? Will it be indestructible or have a cas rating of low like the last event and it will die when someone who's units are all gold based attacks my base to earn BP or rob $1250 off me....GREE please start addressing issues or I'm sure the amount of users who spend money are going to dwindle. This problem has been going on way to long. First thread I saw on the cas rate was in January 2012 and its not improved since, just gotten worse. Seems like an attempt to force players into buying gold units.

CaptAmerica
04-01-2013, 07:08 PM
Same here.. I have lost more units in five minutes of testing this issue than I have in over a month of regular attacks. Camper mode engaged!!

Flavious Flav
04-01-2013, 07:26 PM
Same problems here. At least I read this thread first. Lost an expert drone, a elite helo, and a tropical stalker in 5 attacks against a rival with 50k defense. My attack is 160k so it's not like I was picking a fight I couldn't win. It's strange that CJ says all the wrong numbers in our profiles are just superficial. It's again strange that my numbers for casualty reductions and health regeneration are wrong and seem to be incorrectly applied in the game. I'm sure many players reading this post will say they are having no problems so all the rest of us must be wrong. If you are having no problems with casualties then good for you but don't tell me or anyone else these problems are affecting that we are wrong.

GREE & CJ. Please let us know if we have a problem causing our sky rocketing casualties or is this just the new norm

Maverick50727
04-01-2013, 07:31 PM
Ok seriously 3000 units give or take.
90 elite water cruisers
99 super hornets
600 old battleships
300 light gunners
590 jungle helicopters
300 tree snipers

And a thousand other assorted units from jeeps to aircraft carriers.

Thanks again bap!

And yeah the valor bonus was multiplied by 12 and not 1.2 for that unit. Because I talked to a guy who was getting 90 valor an attack.

Yes and we had screenshots of such from people with the glitch. Yes 12vs 1.2 seems right. 90 valor per hit.

Fuzzyky
04-01-2013, 07:32 PM
BULL**** !!! GREEd strikes again!! Well guess what GREEd... I think I'll just take a little holiday from raiding and attacking.... Just sit here and collect my economy til this BULL**** passes......

IlliniFan1
04-01-2013, 07:43 PM
Starting to get very tired of losing three units every time. Please fix this.

Hawkwing
04-01-2013, 07:53 PM
I had a 280K/332K Attack and Defense at level 213 when China ended. I seldom if ever lost any units while attacking or raiding. If I did it was once every 100-200 attacks or raids. As soon as the campaign for China ended I was hit by another player. 5 Brigand Lightning planes were lost. I attacked him and lost 2 BLs in the first hit. I attacked a different rival and lost 2 Elite Siege Tanks and a Transport Raider. I stopped attacking but as is normal in this game, you get attacked. Every attacked has inflicted out-of-the-norm casualties. I've lost, in the past 6 hours, about 4K in total A/D (I am down to 276K attack and 330K defense). I submitted a ticket to Gree but am not holding my breath since I have 2 other tickets which have been pending for sometime on two different issues (the gold bonus program and their corrupted file in the last Boss Event). It seems to me that: (1) Gree is either operating above their level of expertise or (2) the Village Idiot was promoted to head the Programming Department. I'm going to go camping until they get their act together. I will not spend another dime on this game until I get a fair shake. Hawkwing 390 993 374

Alex Hunter
04-01-2013, 07:55 PM
2 of my irl friends had this problem for a month while I never did. Now I do.

CaptAmerica
04-01-2013, 07:55 PM
I'm sitting here minding my own business when I get attacked and lose 11 Brigand lightings, 2 Experimental Soldiers and 1 Elite water craft to the same guy!! This is a sick April fools joke... hoping that's all it is. Even camping is seeing major unit losses.

scalpel
04-01-2013, 07:57 PM
Same here, rarely lost a unit before, now it's ridiculous.

Daclaymorekid
04-01-2013, 08:16 PM
Fix please, would love to play the game again gree.

IlliniFan1
04-01-2013, 08:30 PM
I can't even do anything right now other than wait for my energy to refill so I can at least do some PvE.

Hertz
04-01-2013, 08:33 PM
If you really want to camp you should drop your ally count. Then you would lose much fewer units and be a big fish in a little pond so you won't really need to "camp" at all. Heck, drop your ally count low enough and you will lose 0 units because your entire army will be indestructible.
I'm sitting here minding my own business when I get attacked and lose 11 Brigand lightings, 2 Experimental Soldiers and 1 Elite water craft to the same guy!! This is a sick April fools joke... hoping that's all it is. Even camping is seeing major unit losses.

CaptAmerica
04-01-2013, 08:47 PM
I have been down huntin in the underground at ally count 497... I am currently at 503.. There are VERY big hitters below 500. I have come across one player at level 250, ally 240 (1200 gold units) with >900K stats.. :)

madslasherSR
04-01-2013, 08:58 PM
I am having the same unit loss issues. Submitted help ticket with no response yet. Hopefully CJ is trolling the tread and will respond back to us shortly with at least a "we are looking into it".
Alliance ID 655 055 522

aether100
04-01-2013, 09:05 PM
I lose out on the first four hours of the China event because connection issues. Now the new event starts and I'm can't get crates because of this casualty problem.
I'm getting tired of wasting my time with this game

aether100
04-01-2013, 09:06 PM
I am having the same unit loss issues. Submitted help ticket with no response yet. Hopefully CJ is trolling the tread and will respond back to us shortly with at least a "we are looking into it".
Alliance ID 655 055 522
He already posted on this thread that they are looking into it.

WallyT
04-01-2013, 09:15 PM
Same issue for me as well.
Logged a service ticket.
I'm camping till its fixed!

This game feels like that old car you love to much to get rid of.
Be careful Gree....Eventually the beloved old car breaks down and is more trouble than its worth :-(

TEG
04-01-2013, 09:17 PM
Same thing happened to me the minute the China prizes were awarded.

seaagg
04-01-2013, 09:37 PM
That's when I noticed it too, right after the prizes went out.

Ghost101
04-01-2013, 10:02 PM
We are all having the same issue. Camp, don't buy anything in protest, and be patient for CJ to fix this.

Monteverdi
04-01-2013, 10:36 PM
I don't really know what you guys are smoking, but I am loosing 1-4 units everytime I attack somebody, and that is since months, so welcome in reality. This has been going on since a long time and I am actually glad that some of you now experience how it feels !

Monkigrass
04-01-2013, 10:36 PM
Considering Ive always lost 2-3 units an attack since i downloaded this game, i feel no sympathy for you guys. Welcome to my world.

Id go as far as to say this is welcoming. Considering I lost 500 units during the LTE just off shipyards, guard towers, and supply depots, im happy for this "bug".

Jasmaye
04-01-2013, 10:42 PM
This terrible. Same thing. As soon as the china campaign was over i started loosing 1 and 2 "low" casualty rate units per attack. I am loosing high cost units. This needs fixed now! I have lost over 1,000 attack points in 3 hours with no losing attacks.

CRAWFORD
04-01-2013, 10:46 PM
Yeah.... lost more than 1000 attack... not good Gree... not good.

Col.Jessup
04-01-2013, 10:54 PM
I am glad I read this thread as I thought it was just me. I wish I kept track of all the multiple units I lost. This doesn't surprise me, as I get a good laugh at GREE-D on a weekly basis.

Col.Jessup
04-01-2013, 10:56 PM
Is this the thread where all of the new members actually post. Where the hell did they all come from?

It's called having a life and not trolling a forum on a regular basis.

SPARKS
04-01-2013, 11:25 PM
I hope GREE figures this out soon. This is ridiculous

Stacey
04-01-2013, 11:47 PM
Same here. Losing high end valor units and loot items against much weaker players. It's not worth raiding and attacking if you are going to lose more than you gain.

Mogadishu
04-02-2013, 12:18 AM
Looked at my bonus, shows casualty rate -9%......also shows health Regeneration -1% and we are maxed out as a faction.
take a look at your individual stat page, and look at bonuses.

djsamtex
04-02-2013, 02:08 AM
same here. Since China has finished I've lost 100 units!!!! WTF????

Muller
04-02-2013, 03:13 AM
I'm also losing loads of my inventory since China more than since I've started I am also now on hold and cant play the game properly Help!!!!!

This is very frustrating!!!!!

HunterKiller
04-02-2013, 03:17 AM
I noticed about half way through the WD that my casualties were really starting to ramp up. Some of my bonuses are not showing right in my stats either.

aether100
04-02-2013, 03:22 AM
my loses after 6 hour of sleep from others raiding and attacking (not counting normal mid and low level unit loses)

2 Elite water cruiser
41/65 600 V
1 experimental soldier 64/62 1000V
2 Armored siege troop
50/43 900 V
2 Brigand lightning
99/80
2 elite ops helicopter
38/48 600 V
1 Elite siege tank
82/59 1200 V
1 hunter seeker 675/700
1 Elite siege tank (from 1 raid to see if it was fixed)

A total lose of 7600 valor and 1359A/1351D this is more than the LE set that i bought added to my army. at this point I will lose everything I built in a year within a few weeks. iTunes and my bank might be getting a request if this is not fixed soon.

The game is unplayable right now

mickymacirl
04-02-2013, 03:27 AM
I don't really know what you guys are smoking, but I am loosing 1-4 units everytime I attack somebody, and that is since months, so welcome in reality. This has been going on since a long time and I am actually glad that some of you now experience how it feels !

Good point Mont, for some people casualties have always been a problem.

Spectre23
04-02-2013, 03:39 AM
I'm with everyone else...this is BS!!!

I'm done attacking, buying units, buying gold, etc until they fix this....

Davo69
04-02-2013, 04:00 AM
I am also losing units up to 3 with every attack,I lost 500 att/def in one go,get this fixed gree !!!

bloving
04-02-2013, 05:00 AM
I'm getting ready to sell all my cash buildings so people will stop trying to raid me just to see if I can hold on to what I have. I'm losing 3 to 4 units each time. I've completely stopped attacking or raiding. Was hoping it would be fixed by this morning. Like so many others, I've put real money into this that I cannot afford to keep doing if I'm going to lose everything. As someone else said...I'll lose everything that I built in the last year, in a matter of days if I keep playing.

DunkNL
04-02-2013, 05:19 AM
Getting boxes for the event is way too expensive like this...

aether100
04-02-2013, 05:24 AM
Getting boxes for the event is way too expensive like this...

I agree .its not worth losing 6k in A/D numbers for a 132/132 unit.

I hope they aren't trying to force people to buy a gold army by attrition

StevieBoy
04-02-2013, 05:42 AM
Gree, thanks for the total lack of commitment to this problem. Everyone is complaining but you do NOT?HING!!!!!!!!!!!

Col.Jessup
04-02-2013, 05:45 AM
I am in the same boat as everyone else. What perfect timing during a new event to have this happen. What a shame GREE-D, looks like gold purchases will be on a decline this week. Pity. And I certainly hope this isn't a scheme to get people to buy gold to make their stats up.

WAIT! I have an idea! Why don't you take a day or two in between events to make sure there is nothing to correct, to make for a smooth transition into the next event. Heck, we went right from the China WD into this current event on the same day. Yea, yea, yea, dollar signs in your eyes and all that crap. I get it. But soon, there won't be anyone left to help feed you and your family. You're welcome by the way.

ModernWar123
04-02-2013, 05:45 AM
I have never lost units and all of a sudden after the war my units are dropping like flys. Probably lost 100 units so far. This needs to get fixed quick. Please fix this gree.

prosoft
04-02-2013, 05:49 AM
This also happens to me!! Something is wrong... Please fix this problem and compensate with a lot of golds...

Com rob
04-02-2013, 06:19 AM
Yer me to its very frustrating to lose so many units that I have worked hard for it need sorting its ruining the game

chris101
04-02-2013, 06:28 AM
I too am loosing high value valor and $$$ units in every attack, (either by me or against me).

In one raid I noticed 3 units totalling over 4000 valor lost. I've carried out a few additional tests to make sure it wasnt a one off and can confirm that it seems to be consistent.

This all seems to be directly connected to the end of the China event for me where our faction finished in the top 500.

Maybe it is linked to one of the units which we won from that event as a good number of other faction members seem to be experiencing this also.

Monteverdi
04-02-2013, 06:34 AM
I have never lost units and all of a sudden after the war my units are dropping like flys. Probably lost 100 units so far. This needs to get fixed quick. Please fix this gree.
The answer is quite easy, I can recite what Gree replied when I complained months ago, "you had the no-casualty glitch, and we fixed it for you" Say: thanks that's great....and shut up !

Sucker
04-02-2013, 06:36 AM
2 of my irl friends had this problem for a month while I never did. Now I do.

Many people have a casualty problem after China, but i already got them since Egypt (almost a month). I send ticket and wait. Before China began i recive email from support with apologize but without solution - let us know if you are still experiencing an issue in-game... So i send antoher ticket and now i sitt on butt, wait and hope.

SpikeyKit
04-02-2013, 06:41 AM
Im not gonna rave or say bad things about the developers. Its not productive. Some of you need to chill, they have given us lots of free gold.

The timing of the problem was just in the closing hour of the WD event.
I did checks of my own, hitting way lower stat players, low rank. I might get away with a few battles with 0 losses but what i lose following is high up.

This does need fixing and im sure you all have sent in tickets reporting this problem, so im sure they are working on it.
It has been a bank hol weekend and im sure they wanna spend time with their families not listen to us all moaning about what seems to be a glitch or a possible hack they havent had time to sort yet.

Just post here that your having a problem, send in a ticket and wait without getting crazy or insulting them for the hard work that has gone into making this game

SpikeyKit
04-02-2013, 06:45 AM
Our best course of action is for everyone to go camping, have a beer and break out the fishing gear!!

aether100
04-02-2013, 07:56 AM
Our best course of action is for everyone to go camping, have a beer and break out the fishing gear!!
I'm going to step away for at least a day but unfortunately at my level I get attacked and raided all the time so my attack and defense numbers look like the countdown clock on New Year's Eve

Donnie727
04-02-2013, 08:03 AM
What is going on, after China my units are dropping like flies. Before that it was rare. At the moment it is not worth attacking or raiding. Please fix ASAP and reset to previous setting.
Donnie727:mad:

Brummied
04-02-2013, 08:10 AM
I guess this is happening to discourage raider while they resolve the timing bugs of people being raided before they can collect, gree your ways are getting stranger every day, just block raiding for a few hours while you re sync rather than use it as a way to affect more damage on non golden armies, your favouritism of such is beginning to irke me!
What is going on, after China my units are dropping like flies. Before that it was rare. At the moment it is not worth attacking or raiding. Please fix ASAP and reset to previous setting.
Donnie727:mad:

senex morosus
04-02-2013, 08:26 AM
The way I noticed how the casualties increases is if you hit buildings that aren't money buildings. If I attack someone directly then I dont lose any units even when the player is slightly stronger than me. If I get into their base and raid their money buildings then I also dont notice any casualties. However when I do hit a level 1 guard tower (just to experiment) I notice I lose an EAD and Super hornet. It is beyond a joke. If this is the new casualty rate from GREE then more and more people will eventually give up on the game. You need to think about potential new gold buyers and your current light and medium gold spenders. This could backfire and be a wake up call to the people currently buying gold. I really hope CJ54 or someone else from GREE comment on this issue.

Trebor
04-02-2013, 08:36 AM
" crickets " " crickets "

JMills109
04-02-2013, 08:48 AM
This new "broken" level of casualty rate is what I have experienced the entire time I've been playing.

I've got about 50k attacks/raids logged, and have ALWAYS lost exhorbitant numbers of strong units raiding non-cash buildings or opponents with Defense > 75% My Attack.

A few members of my faction have a third my IPH, equal number of Attacks/Raids, and stats that dwarf mine.

I have long wondered What am I missing? What are they doing different (they have no gold units)?

This disparity in casualty rates is the obvious answer. They were raiding shipyards and gaurd towers during the LTQ event, and never lost a unit, while my raids against shipyards of players with 5% my stats resulted in losing 2 Elite Water Cruisers and an Aircraft Carrier.

I'm going to make a prediction that all of the people b***ing about this being broken have been benefitting from this same type of situation all along.

Either way, put everyone on the same playing field, regardless of what that is.

mickymacirl
04-02-2013, 09:00 AM
This new "broken" level of casualty rate is what I have experienced the entire time I've been playing.

I've got about 50k attacks/raids logged, and have ALWAYS lost exhorbitant numbers of strong units raiding non-cash buildings or opponents with Defense > 75% My Attack.

A few members of my faction have a third my IPH, equal number of Attacks/Raids, and stats that dwarf mine.

I have long wondered What am I missing? What are they doing different (they have no gold units)?

This disparity in casualty rates is the obvious answer. They were raiding shipyards and gaurd towers during the LTQ event, and never lost a unit, while my raids against shipyards of players with 5% my stats resulted in losing 2 Elite Water Cruisers and an Aircraft Carrier.

I'm going to make a prediction that all of the people b***ing about this being broken have been benefitting from this same type of situation all along.

Either way, put everyone on the same playing field, regardless of what that is.

That is a very very good point, I agree!

Ozzeh
04-02-2013, 09:13 AM
Everyone just CALM down there is an easy fix to this whole situation!

BUY/WIN only Indestructable Units then no one will ever lose a unit! ;)

aether100
04-02-2013, 09:32 AM
This new "broken" level of casualty rate is what I have experienced the entire time I've been playing.


So you have lost over 5% of your stats within a 24 hour period without raiding or attacking more than 10 times? So you have lost a high valor (low to very low) units on almost every raid and attack by rivals and lost over 10k in stats in that period? No you haven't If you had you wouldn't be playing the game because you wouldn't have any units within a few weeks. I know that many of the people experiencing this do not have the causality glitch so to categorize everyone here as Bi**ing by Bi**ing about normal casualty rates is self serving and hypocritical .

Odin No Gold
04-02-2013, 09:34 AM
Most of our faction ENG has stopped all raiding and attacking. Losses are not worth the battle points or money. And who needs valor units if you loose them faster then you collect valor points.

LowCostMonkeys
04-02-2013, 09:34 AM
Hi CJ. Thank you for replying to this thread earlier.

I was just wondering if you know if this is a bug/temporary issue or is it a permenant change?

Any info would be really appreciated as always :)

Cheers,

Richard

Poopenshire
04-02-2013, 09:36 AM
I have been hunting this issue for over a year now. its called the No Casualty Glitch or the NO NO, while you don't actually not lose units, you rarely lose them. Over the last year I have had run ins with dozens of these players and even more so when I got in the whale zone. Due to some "bug" or mathmetical error as CCM put it (we know its not as CCM slipped up and admitted it was real on several occasions).

The loses you see now are the ones I have dealt with since I started playing the game. This is Gree fixing somehting for once. Your being put on a level playing field with every other player in the game.

welcome to the real MW so many of us play.

Fuzzyky
04-02-2013, 09:40 AM
There was a reply from CJ??

Poopenshire
04-02-2013, 09:43 AM
There was a reply from CJ??

they are looking into it was his reply.

CJ is a good person. This is something he has to go out and get info on. Remember he is the go between here.
what happens in the code and decisions made by management are not his, he is like our representative when things go wrong. So please be respectful of him. if the Manager of the Project decides its worth us knowing then we will know. This is a company after all. Not everyone will have knowledge of the products full plans and implimentations.

scalpel
04-02-2013, 09:50 AM
If these are the real casualty figures, there would never be any attacking/raiding. It's that simple.
I just lost 4 high value units to a player with 1/10 my numbers, he lost nothing, not even a scout.


I have been hunting this issue for over a year now. its called the No Casualty Glitch or the NO NO, while you don't actually not lose units, you rarely lose them. Over the last year I have had run ins with dozens of these players and even more so when I got in the whale zone. Due to some "bug" or mathmetical error as CCM put it (we know its not as CCM slipped up and admitted it was real on several occasions).

The loses you see now are the ones I have dealt with since I started playing the game. This is Gree fixing somehting for once. Your being put on a level playing field with every other player in the game.

welcome to the real MW so many of us play.

Poopenshire
04-02-2013, 09:53 AM
If these are the real casualty figures, there would never be any attacking/raiding. It's that simple.
I just lost 4 high value units to a player with 1/10 my numbers, he lost nothing, not even a scout.

I have documented "true" casualty rates for the last year. If you go back and look at my posting history I can show you documented losses of millions of dollars of units per hit, as well as up to 2000 valor losses per hit. not per visit on a rival but per unit stamina.... this is the MW game as is for millions of users.

I am sorry to have to break to this to you, but trust me when I say this, its not new and I feel sorry for any player who had the NO NO and now doesn't as you had been very fortunate in the past but your game is now very different.

Magino
04-02-2013, 10:05 AM
I'm particularly unhappy with Android problems in China Event, in the casuality rate thing that has continued for eons, the lack of Lvl number showing on battle list. Don't have battles on HOLIDAY WEEKENDS!! LEAVE EASTER TO JESUS.

Commander Chief
04-02-2013, 10:08 AM
People im stopping the game if this not get fixed!!!!
Ok i hear some people say i play like this for a year and you got a glitch now its even??

But its strange when you got -10 casualty reduction from the war of egypte and know i see +10 Casualy rate !!!!WTF thats not good and in my profile it shows -4 casualty +1 casualty what the heck !!

i noticed that i dont lose the units with (high casualty) only the LOW ,VERRY LOW CASUALTY WTF>>>>???? most expansive ones as well why not commandos or tree sniper why only the expansive ones with LOW/Verry low >>> PLease explain that to me TY

Sir TFE Splinter
04-02-2013, 10:09 AM
I know. My stats are going WAY down.

I have spent a lot of time and money building my stats in the last year and especially in the China campaign. Now I am losing 2000-3000 points and loads of attack drones and brigands on each raid. How do you expect people to stay interested when they are screwed everytime they think they are starting to succeed? I am done with attacks, raids and spending money on gold until this injustice is corrected.

aether100
04-02-2013, 10:10 AM
I have documented "true" casualty rates for the last year. If you go back and look at my posting history I can show you documented losses of millions of dollars of units per hit, as well as up to 2000 valor losses per hit. not per visit on a rival but per unit stamina.... this is the MW game as is for millions of users.

I am sorry to have to break to this to you, but trust me when I say this, its not new and I feel sorry for any player who had the NO NO and now doesn't as you had been very fortunate in the past but your game is now very different.


This might be Gree trying to even the playing field for the "no no" but to have 4 out of 5 rival hits on you resulting in 4000-6000 valor unit (low or very low) lose and an avg lose of 300-1000 a/d per 5 hits for close to 24 hrs and with the same results every time is not normal . Either is a lose of the same numbers and type of units on most every raid or attack regardless of strength . No one would have any units if this was the norm oh, except of course people with golden armies .
For example
In aprox 10 raids after china within 10 mins I lost
4 elite siege tanks 1 hunter seeker 4 brigade lightning 3 special ops helicopters 1 eilte siege trooper . I tested it again this morning and lost another elite siege tank and another elite siege trooper in one raid. That's not normal

Commander Chief
04-02-2013, 10:12 AM
I have spent a lot of time and money building my stats in the last year and especially in the China campaign. Now I am losing 2000-3000 points and loads of attack drones and brigands on each raid. How do you expect people to stay interested when they are screwed everytime they think they are starting to succeed? I am done with attacks, raids and spending money on gold until this injustice is corrected.

1.5 year of hard working on my stats. if i raid or attack i can lose this in a heartbeat where i worked 1.5 year for!!JUST INSANE or GREE trolling or WHAT please give us something so i can choose to stay or go!!!

Spent maybe 8000/14000 gold last 6 months what do i get **** **** **** **** Thanks GREEEEE

scalpel
04-02-2013, 10:15 AM
I have no idea whether or not i did or did not have some previous glitch. I am simply stating that if these are the true casualty figures, attacking/raiding will be a historic feature only and there was no need for Gree to include it in the game.


I have documented "true" casualty rates for the last year. If you go back and look at my posting history I can show you documented losses of millions of dollars of units per hit, as well as up to 2000 valor losses per hit. not per visit on a rival but per unit stamina.... this is the MW game as is for millions of users.

I am sorry to have to break to this to you, but trust me when I say this, its not new and I feel sorry for any player who had the NO NO and now doesn't as you had been very fortunate in the past but your game is now very different.

Kevin Harvey
04-02-2013, 10:16 AM
I lost 15 units/over 3,000 stats in only 12 fights/raids combined! We need a fix please

mjptexas
04-02-2013, 10:20 AM
I am sorry to have to break to this to you, but trust me when I say this, its not new and I feel sorry for any player who had the NO NO and now doesn't as you had been very fortunate in the past but your game is now very different.

Well Poopenshire, I've had quite a different experience for the last year. In nearly 30,000 attacks (usually at levels above mine) I would lose a unit every 5-10 attacks. Little tough having this change out of the blue, regardless the reason. Makes this a completely different game and really puts the hurt on the non-gold player (which I am NOT one of). No chance for one for those folks to really rise in the game.

'Get used to it' doesn't cut it. These guys are starting to make the crew at UKEN look good.

Com rob
04-02-2013, 10:24 AM
What's the point of raid and attack if everyone's to scared to do it through fear of losing there stats I have worked hard as I am sure everyone has to get mine up with out buying endless gold all we want is it to go back to normal so we can carry on enjoying the game how can you raid 10 times and lose 20 units that cost 5 mill to replace or 10 k valour that can not be right

Commander Chief
04-02-2013, 10:27 AM
What's the point of raid and attack if everyone's to scared to do it through fear of losing there stats I have worked hard as I am sure everyone has to get mine up with out buying endless gold all we want is it to go back to normal so we can carry on enjoying the game how can you raid 10 times and lose 20 units that cost 5 mill to replace or 10 k valour that can not be right

You can never earn back the units you lose i have 25 stamina when i use those all i lose 150/200 units just INSANE this is not right and im a GOLD player as well but this is just BS

aod
04-02-2013, 10:31 AM
Same Problem.. Please fix it..

adidas3653
04-02-2013, 10:41 AM
CJ on 04-01-2013 03:51 PM you said GREE was looking into the high causality ratio. I have also lost more units in the last 15 hours than in the last year. I realize this may take some time but can you advise when we may see a resolution? We have faction members hemorrhaging units at a record pace. We also had one player pack up shop donate what his base sold for and leave the game who produced 800k WD points. Please; I implore you to guide us to when this will be fixed and will be compensated for our losses? Were at a crossed roads in the game, a lot of people have spent a lot of money on this game. Please communicate with us and ask GREE to give us some transparency to what is going on.

Ironman3503
04-02-2013, 10:42 AM
Not getting any better I keep testing it but can't afford to now going to wait till I see it has been fixed here before I play again.

JMills109
04-02-2013, 10:45 AM
So you have lost over 5% of your stats within a 24 hour period without raiding or attacking more than 10 times? So you have lost a high valor (low to very low) units on almost every raid and attack by rivals and lost over 10k in stats in that period? No you haven't If you had you wouldn't be playing the game because you wouldn't have any units within a few weeks. I know that many of the people experiencing this do not have the causality glitch so to categorize everyone here as Bi**ing by Bi**ing about normal casualty rates is self serving and hypocritical .

I apologize for saying "all", but I do believe there has been a major discrepency in casualty rates up to now. Whether this new change has gone overboard for some I cannot accurately judge, but I definitely lose at least a few very expensive valor/loot units when I get raided/attacked. That is why I don't have ANY brigands or other powerful loot items, they simply are impossible to keep.

That said, I see a bunch of comments saying something like "I lose zillions of brigands and valor units when raiding others", and there is an important distinction between being raided/attacked and doing the raiding/attacking:

What is the opponents defense relative to yours?

My experience up to now has been that I will lose units attacking anyone with a Defense > 25% My Attack. If I hit people with defense 50% or more of my attack, I will lose at least 1 unit EVERY stamina point I use, often 2-3 units. It makes attacking almost pointless once you reach Colonel, because anyone with enough battle points to be worth attacking results in dramatic casualties.

When raiding, the line is at about 40% of my attack.

(Note that my hospital is at level 8, and I have Desert Night Watchman from the WDE)

What buildings are you raiding?

Shipyards and other unit buildings paid a huge amount of Valor with Xian destroyer until now, but also came with a guarunteed loss of 1 or more units regardless of opponents defense stats. Same with defensive structures. Cash buildings seem to follow the 40% rule, but the 3rd hit on a building causes more casualties, and the higher the payout, the greater the frequency of unit loss.


Have those seeing dramatic casualties been using similar patterns to what I described??

Have you been attacking/raiding people with defense 70/80% your Attack all along??

Just trying to understand.

Once again, I'm not suggesting this new model is not bugged, but simply that having everyone on the same playing field should be the goal.

Thenoob
04-02-2013, 10:47 AM
What ever you guys did after china is just fckd my hole faction is taking a massive hit I lost over double what the new WD units gave me in a couple hours after the war ended. And this is new Ive been playing since this game started almost two years now. I went from loosing 1-2 units every 100 battles to 3-6 every fight even if the other player have 6000 def. so for all you people that say get used to it I won't fix it and the casualty Biulding's doesn't work fix that two

Commander Chief
04-02-2013, 10:49 AM
I apologize for saying "all", but I do believe there has been a major discrepency in casualty rates up to now. Whether this new change has gone overboard for some I cannot accurately judge, but I definitely lose at least a few very expensive valor/loot units when I get raided/attacked. That is why I don't have ANY brigands or other powerful loot items, they simply are impossible to keep.

That said, I see a bunch of comments saying "I lose zillions of brigands and valor units when raiding others", and there is an important distinction between being raided/attacked and doing the raiding/attacking:

What is the opponents defense relative to yours?

My experience up to now has been that I will lose units attacking anyone with a Defense > 25% My Attack. If I hit people with defense 50% or more of my attack, I will lose at least 1 unit EVERY stamina point I use, often 2-3 units. It makes attacking almost pointless once you reach Colonel, because anyone with enough battle points to be worth attacking results in dramatic casualties.

When raiding, the line is at about 40% of my attack.

(Note that my hospital is at level 8, and I have Desert Night Watchman from the WDE)

What buildings are you raiding?

Shipyards and other unit buildings paid a huge amount of Valor with Xian destroyer until now, but also came with a guarunteed loss of 1 or more units regardless of opponents defense stats. Same with defensive structures. Cash buildings seem to follow the 40% rule, but the 3rd hit on a building causes more casualties, and the higher the payout, the greater the frequency of unit loss.


Once again, I'm not suggesting this new model is not bugged, but simply that having everyone on the same playing field should be the goal.


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Sorrry but WTH are you saying????? that its a good thing to lose all youre units where i have worked 1.5 year for in just maybe 2 weeks if im playing like i did before the end of the CHINA WAR!

Rebeca
04-02-2013, 10:56 AM
In the beginning of China War I couldnt fight during 4 hours.

At the end of this war my casualty rate grow more or less 10,000/20,000%.

Before I lost 1 unit/100 attacks, now I lose 1 or 2 units/1 attack.

Is this a mistake or a new algorithm?

In second case, more I play more weak I will be.

In 24 hours playing like I used to do, I could lose 40,000/50,000 AD points.

Of course I have stopped, but enemies who attack me, kill my units in the same proportion.

Best regards!

Maximus2012
04-02-2013, 11:02 AM
I've been waiting for this day. My low level camping account turned into my main account once I realised it lost very few units. My old main account used to lose between 1 and 3 units per attack. Because of that I didn't attack very often mainly doing mission. Now starting from today my new main account is losing between 1 and 3 units per attack. Whereas for the last 8 months I could spend all day attacking and raiding and only lose a few units each day. I think I've only played this long due to having the glitch. Now it's gone I am fairly certain either i'll either stop playing or just camp forever. I am not sure if I can even afford to replace the units lost when others attack me.

So to sum it up I don't think they have broken the casualty rate but actually fixed it!

JMills109
04-02-2013, 11:04 AM
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Sorrry but WTH are you saying????? that its a good thing to lose all youre units where i have worked 1.5 year for in just maybe 2 weeks if im playing like i did before the end of the CHINA WAR!


Don't jump to conclusions. I said having everyone on the same playing field should be the goal.

I don't care if its this new level or the old one, I'm just saying it should be the same for everyone either way.

aether100
04-02-2013, 11:11 AM
I apologize for saying "all", but I do believe there has been a major discrepency in casualty rates up to now. Whether this new change has gone overboard for some I cannot accurately judge, but I definitely lose at least a few very expensive valor/loot units when I get raided/attacked. That is why I don't have ANY brigands or other powerful loot items, they simply are impossible to keep.
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I do agree with you and Poop that this was some attempt at leveling the casualty glitch playing field which was/is unfair. but I think if I could explain it clearly that you would agree that it makes the game unplayable b/c it is a net lose of units and a huge net lose at that. These loses are not the run of the mill lose of a aircraft carrier B-52 and armored terrain tank that most people experience every few attacks that can be replaced reasonably easily or even a lose of a few valor units that most experience every day. This is a lose of a number of valor units and high level loot items on almost every attack or raid regardless of what building I am raiding or who and what strength my rival is. It just happens every time . It also happens on almost every raid or attack that a rival makes . In the first 10 mins after china I lost almost 1k in stats and after stopping all raids and attack I still have lost close to a hundred high high value units that have a low or very low rating. for a total lose of 10k in stats for less then 24 hrs. . One example is I had 3 hunter seekers 675/700 that took approximately 11 days of energy to get . I lost 2 yesterday.

I think I already answered your questions but yes I attacked and raided people WAY below me in stats and it still happened and I raided a number of different building cash boost unit and they all had the same lose effect

Thenoob
04-02-2013, 11:13 AM
Fix this problem. It doesn't make sense

General Kemper
04-02-2013, 11:31 AM
I'm having the same problem losing ridiculous amounts of units. I'm not doing pvp anymore until this is fixed and if they don't fix it or give me some sort of compensation I'm going to quit. I attack people three times weaker and still am losing multiple high end units of valor and brigand lightnings, transport raiders, etc. it's ridiculous and not fun anymore... Gree fix it and compensate me or I'm not gonna be a loyal customer anymore!!!!

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StevieBoy
04-02-2013, 11:35 AM
Once again Gree is just sitting on a MASSIVE problem ...and just lets their customers sit there fuming and not communicate anything to them. FIX This NOW...or Lose MONEY from thousands of players just like me!!!...since money is the ONLY thing you seem to listen to. I Refuse to play until this is fixed.

JMills109
04-02-2013, 11:46 AM
Interesting when you think about it.

In my particular case, I lost the three transport raiders and two brigand lightnings I had gotten within a week of receiving them. As a result, I stopped using energy to get those units bc it was a complete waste.

I also lost a massive number of valor units over the last 14 months or so, and thus the ratio of cash/valor units in my army is vastly different than what players who've had super low casualty rates all this time have built.

Are these huge losses people are experiencing a result of normalizing? Am I feeling like nothing has changed because my army has been built already under these conditions?

ghh
04-02-2013, 12:00 PM
I've been losing 2 to 3 units per attack for over a year now they didn't care then and they don't care now! I have sent in many tickets over this time. It has ruined the game for me all this profile is is an extra cash cow for my faction.
What's the point in fighting when you lose $250k worth of units per attack. My other profile has developed this fault now and that is it. No point in playing! Does anyone know any other games worth playing this one sucks!

RedCloud
04-02-2013, 12:03 PM
I've never really gotten into raiding because in the 5 or so months I've been playing, it just never paid off. I could never collect enough cash to replace the units I lost. So I focused on attacking, using the mission valor payouts to replace--and usually go a bit beyond--what I lost in battle. Since the rival algorithm change, though, there's no longer anyone on my rivals list that I can attack without huge irreplaceable losses. Maybe what were seeing now is Gree attempting to solve both problems, i.e. the rival algorithm and the casualty imbalance. If so, I do hope they get it resolved soon. I've had only one incoming attack since China ended (highly unusual), but I'd gladly be on the receiving end of attacks again if I could go back to growing my game with PVP.

sparckle
04-02-2013, 12:16 PM
I'm playing Minecraft. Much more fun than this stupid game.

bloving
04-02-2013, 12:51 PM
Are you guys losing "Gold" units also??? I just lost 3 gold units in 1 attack from a guy that lost and only had 50 k.

Raptor 180 gold
Amphibious APC 110 gold
Centurion Humvee 55 gold

Dang this is really, really bad....badddddd.

Idiokus
04-02-2013, 12:51 PM
Sad but true ...agree completely with Poopenshire this is not new!! Many including myself have been experiencing these casualties loss for a long long time!! I gave up doing threads about...nothing was ever done and would always read nothing has changed things are flowing and working like usual. Yes I guess some thing was off but now all are on same platform...losing tons of hard earned valor and expensive units. Not cool I agree!! I felt like a hysterical crazy person when I spoke about my casualties...who knows perhaps they fix once and for all or maybe not cause they don't care. People keep spending regardless...so their focus is only making money not about issues their clients come across! I just raided someone with a 1/4 of my stats...I lost 5 transport raiders, 3 brigrand lightning, 2 high valor infantry twelve hits stamina. NORMAL??? I think not...but has always been the case with me!!!

Burnt
04-02-2013, 12:57 PM
Jmills, Mickymac and Poop,

Completely agree with your statements. I have not experienced any changes because this has been my world since the game has started. There have been countless threads started about this, visiting and revisiting the disparity in casualty rates among players. Looks like the playing field has leveled for me. Either way a "win-win" for us. If this is a glitch, looks like Gree owes us some serious credit.


I apologize for saying "all", but I do believe there has been a major discrepency in casualty rates up to now. Whether this new change has gone overboard for some I cannot accurately judge, but I definitely lose at least a few very expensive valor/loot units when I get raided/attacked. That is why I don't have ANY brigands or other powerful loot items, they simply are impossible to keep.

That said, I see a bunch of comments saying something like "I lose zillions of brigands and valor units when raiding others", and there is an important distinction between being raided/attacked and doing the raiding/attacking:

What is the opponents defense relative to yours?

My experience up to now has been that I will lose units attacking anyone with a Defense > 25% My Attack. If I hit people with defense 50% or more of my attack, I will lose at least 1 unit EVERY stamina point I use, often 2-3 units. It makes attacking almost pointless once you reach Colonel, because anyone with enough battle points to be worth attacking results in dramatic casualties.

When raiding, the line is at about 40% of my attack.

(Note that my hospital is at level 8, and I have Desert Night Watchman from the WDE)

What buildings are you raiding?

Shipyards and other unit buildings paid a huge amount of Valor with Xian destroyer until now, but also came with a guarunteed loss of 1 or more units regardless of opponents defense stats. Same with defensive structures. Cash buildings seem to follow the 40% rule, but the 3rd hit on a building causes more casualties, and the higher the payout, the greater the frequency of unit loss.


Have those seeing dramatic casualties been using similar patterns to what I described??

Have you been attacking/raiding people with defense 70/80% your Attack all along??

Just trying to understand.

Once again, I'm not suggesting this new model is not bugged, but simply that having everyone on the same playing field should be the goal.

ModernWar123
04-02-2013, 12:59 PM
I think the casualty rate problem is because of the desert night watchman because if you go to the bonuses it say -___% from the hospital. The desert night watchman says +10%. Could that be the problem? If so contact gree and tell them about it. This is only for people that made the top 500 in the Egypt event.

seaagg
04-02-2013, 01:09 PM
I haven't lost any gold units yet, but I do loose 1000+ valor per hit. I AM a gold player and it has hit me hard too. If this is truly they way it is "supposed" to be, I have to give some of you guys a lot of credit for hanging in there, I don't see how you have and A/D score much greater than zero. Without PvP its just not much fun, I'll quit.

It has to be hurting gree; If we are not attacking then we are not participating in the events and therefore there is no reason to buy gold. My 2 cents anyway.

RedCloud
04-02-2013, 01:33 PM
I haven't lost any gold units yet, but I do loose 1000+ valor per hit. I AM a gold player and it has hit me hard too. If this is truly they way it is "supposed" to be, I have to give some of you guys a lot of credit for hanging in there, I don't see how you have and A/D score much greater than zero. Without PvP its just not much fun, I'll quit.

It has to be hurting gree; If we are not attacking then we are not participating in the events and therefore there is no reason to buy gold. My 2 cents anyway.

I haven't been attacked in over 15 hours, and that was a whale. Highly unusual. I think people are avoiding PVP. And the mission chests don't seem to be dropping at the normal rate. I've been working the old maps all day and have only gotten one. I used to do better with them in PVP, but no PVP today...no mission chests...no gold spent to open them...and there you go. The cash cow's got her udders in a knot, lol.

Monkigrass
04-02-2013, 01:51 PM
Its nice to see the masses get a taste of what losing expensive is like. The guys in my faction are CRYING and quitting. Im kinda sad about that. But i feel no sympathy for them losing units at the rate i do.

Especially after the LTE where i lost 100 units a day from guys raiding my towers and shipyards. Why should i lose brigand lightnings protecting a supply depot? Worst event ever.

heath4pack
04-02-2013, 01:54 PM
So, has there been an official gree response to this yet?

aether100
04-02-2013, 02:12 PM
So, has there been an official gree response to this yet?
This only from about 24 hrs ago
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Guys, watch the language.

We're looking into this one right now.

heath4pack
04-02-2013, 02:15 PM
^thx dude. I instantly went from losing at what I thought was a normal rate to losing my ass every offensive and defensive battle.

So, had to come check the forum to see what was up

Thx again.

osp38
04-02-2013, 02:17 PM
The joy of this game is to build, fight, and build again. High value assets are being lost at an amazing rate. Certainly wants to make you stay at home and hope that no one knocks!

Gree, the game crashing is enough ... fix this issue please.

(I loaded the game, and it came up and said to declare the next war that does start for 20+ days. Seriously?)

I am a little fed up with the whole issue and prepared to surrender ....

aether100
04-02-2013, 02:27 PM
The joy of this game is to build, fight, and build again. High value assets are being lost at an amazing rate. Certainly wants to make you stay at home and hope that no one knocks!

Gree, the game crashing is enough ... fix this issue please.

(I loaded the game, and it came up and said to declare the next war that does start for 20+ days. Seriously?)

I am a little fed up with the whole issue and prepared to surrender ....
To do that you have to spend 50 gold to change your flag to France :-o

Poopenshire
04-02-2013, 02:28 PM
I would seriously once again welcome all of you who have never had this type of casualty rate before. Complain all you want and cry all you want, if you want my sympathy you will find in the dictionary between sh!+ and syphilis.

Honestly folks, you had a good run, quit if you want but that just proves how "good" of a player you were from the start.

Those of us who have lasted this long and thrived, well its a welcome day to see you getting what you deserve.

What did you honestly expect? you have 500 Super Hornest? thats 100% casualty rate per hit.

for every 40 Brigands, thats 100% casualty rate.... honestly people turn a blind eye forever and this is what happens.

Thenoob
04-02-2013, 02:36 PM
How do you know what the casualty rates are.

camper killer
04-02-2013, 02:40 PM
How do you know what the casualty rates are.

its been on here and discussed since last Feb. the rates are readily available from multiple sources including the toolkit.

Poopenshire
04-02-2013, 02:42 PM
its been on here and discussed since last Feb. the rates are readily available from multiple sources including the toolkit.

Yeah what he said!

serious folks, your all just figuring this out? You will not get sympathy from us here.

Letsgoravens
04-02-2013, 02:50 PM
Yeah what he said!

serious folks, your all just figuring this out? You will not get sympathy from us here.

im reading the posts and no ones asking for your or anyone elses sympathy
people seem to want gree to fix this for everyone since the game sucks when you lose 2 high end units everytime you get hit.
i have 50% in lower casualty boosts that seem to be worthless at this rate of loss on what are supposed to be low casualty units

IlliniFan1
04-02-2013, 02:53 PM
What is the point of valor if the units you buy with it will be destroyed the next time you attack or get attacked with them?

Poopenshire
04-02-2013, 02:54 PM
im reading the posts and no ones asking for your or anyone elses sympathy
people seem to want gree to fix this for everyone since the game sucks when you lose 2 high end units everytime you get hit.
i have 50% in lower casulty boosts that seem to be worthless at this rate of loss on low casulty units

you don't get it, your losing units is the fix. you were never supposed to NOT lose units.

all this time you were not losing units was due to a bug/issue/glitch.

and your 50% lower casualty is not applied in that matter so your only truely seeing maybe a 25% reductions in casualty rate not true losses. those are determined by other factors.

HunterKiller
04-02-2013, 03:04 PM
Reading through here and thinking about my own record from PVP attacks, the high casualty rate has been normal for me since I started playing the game when it first came out. No wonder I only have 45kA 55kD and you guys have so much higher stats, normal attack against someone half my stats would be losing 1,000 valour per hit, and up to $1mil in cash units.
Hopefully it makes the game more even now if you guys see the same losses as everyone else has done, basically if you have been able to attack more than 20X a day without losing more than 1k stats you have had a massive advantage until now and now you have brought it to the attention of everyone else.
The game is still playable you just need to learn to only ever raid the top money buildings and only do the bare minimum attacks to complete goals.

hombre
04-02-2013, 03:13 PM
I have been hunting this issue for over a year now. its called the No Casualty Glitch or the NO NO, while you don't actually not lose units, you rarely lose them. Over the last year I have had run ins with dozens of these players and even more so when I got in the whale zone. Due to some "bug" or mathmetical error as CCM put it (we know its not as CCM slipped up and admitted it was real on several occasions).

The loses you see now are the ones I have dealt with since I started playing the game. This is Gree fixing somehting for once. Your being put on a level playing field with every other player in the game.

welcome to the real MW so many of us play.

i wonder why nobody mentioned this, but those kind of casualties are to be expected with thousands of units that have casualty rates in the percent range. gree really fixed something this time. those casualties are now how they were supposed to be.

hombre
04-02-2013, 03:19 PM
What did you honestly expect? you have 500 Super Hornest? thats 100% casualty rate per hit.


oh someone DID mention it. although the calculation is a bit off -.- you wouldnt just add up the single rates to get the chances of one actually dieing.

hombre
04-02-2013, 03:27 PM
to clear it up, it would follow a binomial distribution. since it it complicated to calculate, what you is calculate the chances of 0 units dieing and then calculate the counter probability. a super hornet has 0.15% casualty rate. the cance that it doesnt die is (1-0.0015) [times 100 for percent value]. the chance that out of 2 not a single one dies is (1-0.0015)^2 and so on. the chance that out of 500 not one bites the dust is (1-0.0015)^500, thats 47.21%. so the chance that out of 500 hornets at least one dies is 100% minus that, or 52.78%. thats the probability that at least one hornet is lost if you attack with 500 of em.

DT123
04-02-2013, 03:28 PM
It would appear the night watchman increases the casualty rate by 10% rather reduce it by 10%. The seems to be the issue and happened after the china event. Gree please fix thanks

Burnt
04-02-2013, 03:35 PM
Agreed. This thread has been a double edged sword to me. I have enjoyed seeing people in the "NO NO" club, as Poop describes, come out of the woodwork now that a fix is in place. It's also agonizing realizing A) How many people had the bug, and B) I could have triple the stats I have now if I had the glitch.


Reading through here and thinking about my own record from PVP attacks, the high casualty rate has been normal for me since I started playing the game when it first came out. No wonder I only have 45kA 55kD and you guys have so much higher stats, normal attack against someone half my stats would be losing 1,000 valour per hit, and up to $1mil in cash units.
Hopefully it makes the game more even now if you guys see the same losses as everyone else has done, basically if you have been able to attack more than 20X a day without losing more than 1k stats you have had a massive advantage until now and now you have brought it to the attention of everyone else.
The game is still playable you just need to learn to only ever raid the top money buildings and only do the bare minimum attacks to complete goals.

seaagg
04-02-2013, 03:57 PM
oh someone DID mention it. although the calculation is a bit off -.- you wouldnt just add up the single rates to get the chances of one actually dieing.


Ok, assuming that is somewhere close to being what it is supposed to be, and those were the only units I was fighting with, If I lose 1 each time I raid and get 5 valor back, how in the world can that even work? I would need to lose 50 in order to buy 1.

I think while this casualty rate may work if its strictly limited to the PvE, it becomes ridiculous for raiding and attacking with the whole army. You have to have some mechanism in place that allows you to grow. Am I wrong?

Com rob
04-02-2013, 04:00 PM
If it was a bug then I will have to learn a new way to play but I knew nothing about it so feel let down by the game in that way I have been buliding unit to get a good At/def now I lose them all basically your saying I need to buy gold to get back to my level or get my phone jail broke like the rest of the cheats why don't thy sort that cheat out instead of stitching real player

aether100
04-02-2013, 04:04 PM
It would be nice to hear from someone at Gree that really knows exactlly what this lose rate is and if its a permanent feature in our games and not just speculators so we can decide what to do.

Burnt
04-02-2013, 04:06 PM
Seaagg - Despite the casualty rate I have done quite well at this game. I can beat approximately 95% of the people at my level. However, if I don't want to lose units, I have to attack those who have defense of 40% of my attack. But don't use me as an example, Poopenshire and Mickymacirl would be better success stories.


I think while this casualty rate may work if its strictly limited to the PvE, it becomes ridiculous for raiding and attacking with the whole army. You have to have some mechanism in place that allows you to grow. Am I wrong?

HunterKiller
04-02-2013, 04:10 PM
You have to have some mechanism in place that allows you to grow. Am I wrong?

I believe it is called camping....

SPWD
04-02-2013, 04:17 PM
I've always lost a few units during say 10 attacks on the same player but since the lte China started I'm losing 2,3, 4 units per attack most of the time even against people with less than 2k attack & def, I'm at 14k +16k 2 steps forward 5 back, if this was normal it would be a waste of time playing, my code 944 355 094 thanks

Letsgoravens
04-02-2013, 04:24 PM
I have the same story
I stopped farming brigand lightnings because I would lose them as fast as I could collect them
I didnt have a glitch for those units but per the posts on here i had no idea it has been this bad a loss rate for all units in the past
I'm hoping gree cranked the loss rate way up for everyone after China and will lower it down for everyone with a fix.

Burnt
04-02-2013, 04:25 PM
I believe it is called camping....

Haha! Niiiice.

Sincerely,

Semi-Camper

Poopenshire
04-02-2013, 04:29 PM
Haha! Niiiice.

Sincerely,

Semi-Camper

I agree Casualties drove me to camp for multiple extended periods.

take from an experienced semi camper. just collect your cash and play boss events. tapjoy all you can and get your composites factory. you don't want to level more than 1 level per 3 to 4 weeks. build and upgrade. by the time your ready to start attacking you will have a nice based of indestrucible units from bosses and your income will buy many good cash units. remember that valor is the fools gold of the game. it always has and will continue to die faster than any other unit.

Vballmadam
04-02-2013, 04:37 PM
I would seriously once again welcome all of you who have never had this type of casualty rate before. Complain all you want and cry all you want, if you want my sympathy you will find in the dictionary between sh!+ and syphilis.

Honestly folks, you had a good run, quit if you want but that just proves how "good" of a player you were from the start.

Those of us who have lasted this long and thrived, well its a welcome day to see you getting what you deserve.

What did you honestly expect? you have 500 Super Hornest? thats 100% casualty rate per hit.

for every 40 Brigands, thats 100% casualty rate.... honestly people turn a blind eye forever and this is what happens.

Hate to say it but Poop is absolutely correct. While most of you were not losing many units many of us saw those huge losses as being normal. Now that it looks like Gree has finaly corrected the so called NONO glitch you all are complaining.

Get used to it...it is a war game and in war you lose casualties. That is where strategy comes into play. You have to know the casualty rates when you farm units. You have to know who to raid and attack for the least amount of losses. You need a high IPH to continually buy new high stat units.

This is not new for those of us who always lost 4-6 units per attack or raid. Attacking boost buildings you can lose even more. It took me being on the forum to understand why I lost soooo much yet my opponents lost nothing.

STRATEGY is the key now to your success or failure....Good luck!

Rebeca
04-02-2013, 04:39 PM
My casualty rate grew more fast than Apple equities in its better moment!

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Vballmadam
04-02-2013, 04:39 PM
Seaagg - Despite the casualty rate I have done quite well at this game. I can beat approximately 95% of the people at my level. However, if I don't want to lose units, I have to attack those who have defense of 40% of my attack. But don't use me as an example, Poopenshire and Mickymacirl would be better success stories.

That is exactly what I did to avoid astronomical losses!

Philsbase
04-02-2013, 04:44 PM
you just need an army of these:
http://tosed.dk/billeder/games/gold-tanks.jpg

Dino740
04-02-2013, 04:44 PM
From a personal point of view, I believe this has been happening for ages......

I attack a player 1/10th of my size and I still lose units !!!!!

Totenkopf
04-02-2013, 04:44 PM
to clear it up, it would follow a binomial distribution. since it it complicated to calculate, what you is calculate the chances of 0 units dieing and then calculate the counter probability. a super hornet has 0.15% casualty rate. the cance that it doesnt die is (1-0.0015) [times 100 for percent value]. the chance that out of 2 not a single one dies is (1-0.0015)^2 and so on. the chance that out of 500 not one bites the dust is (1-0.0015)^500, thats 47.21%. so the chance that out of 500 hornets at least one dies is 100% minus that, or 52.78%. thats the probability that at least one hornet is lost if you attack with 500 of em.

Mathematically speaking, that is all well and good. Gameplay speaking, its turkeynuts.

I have 40 stamina which take 2 hours to refill. This means I can execute 480 attacks per 24 hours. If I am losing 3 units per attack, I can lose 1460 of the 2000 units I can bring to battle. Does a 72% per day casualty rate sound like you are going to be improving your stats through PvP?

Clearly, PvP has been broken since China event. They need to fix it or no one will be using a system they just went through the trouble of adding all those additional ranks to.

Burnt
04-02-2013, 04:54 PM
That is exactly what I did to avoid astronomical losses!

Now I understand why there seems to be so much trivial complaining on this forum. While we're out there getting our arse's handed to us, others are in some sort of dream world, swimming with dolphins, in an invisible shark proof cage. I guess it's all relative...

Note: Yes, I understand Gree has some issues worth bringing up. However, like many others, this is not one of them.

Com rob
04-02-2013, 04:59 PM
Nobody has even mentioned war so your saying if I participate in war and battle 600 times on average losing two units a time and that's on a good battle I am going to lose 1200 units that's not right surly what's the point if my att/def goes down by nearly 10k because of the units I have been losin that's what would happen and the at the end of the war they give me 3 units worth 1000 points if that's the case my att/ def will only ever go down not up something is still wrong this is BS !!!!!

Burnt
04-02-2013, 05:06 PM
Nobody has even mentioned war so your saying if I participate in war and battle 600 times on average losing two units a time and that's on a good battle I am going to lose 1200 units that's not right surly what's the point if my att/def goes down by nearly 10k because of the units I have been losin that's what would happen and the at the end of the war they give me 3 units worth 1000 points if that's the case my att/ def will only ever go down not up something is still wrong this is BS !!!!!

That's exactly what I and others are saying. You have to have a good IPH to replenish your losses.

Com rob
04-02-2013, 05:11 PM
That's exactly what I and others are saying. You have to have a good IPH to replenish your losses.

There's no amount of iph that could replenish them it's impossible why have all those ranks if you cannot raid attack to get to them just sounds stupid to me

GregX
04-02-2013, 05:22 PM
Fix this or we are done playing this game. Greg 468 106 811 and my Faction Special Forces SAS . 36 members 140 299 697

Burnt
04-02-2013, 05:28 PM
There's no amount of iph that could replenish them it's impossible why have all those ranks if you cannot raid attack to get to them just sounds stupid to me

Dude, it's obviously more than that, but that is at the core of the strategy.

Thenoob
04-02-2013, 05:30 PM
I guess I had the glitch since I never lost a unit till yesterday. But come on I'm at the point where I'm just going to drop allies till I have an all gold army. But that will never happen since I have 300 brigs and 450 vienals 30 raiders wish I could sell them . And not to mention the fools gold army I have what a waste.

Ziklag
04-02-2013, 05:32 PM
I have only been playing for a short time but i am also experiencing a huge causally rise since China. I love to hear these members that profess to know exactly everyone's problem here . it must be a wonderful gift to be clairvoyant or do you just program from Gree?. If any of you had this "NO NO" you would have used it and would have been happy to do so and thus be disappointed if it was gone . instead of showing any empathy for other members of your community. you decide to mock and revel in others misfortune? Where are makers of the game? why are they silent on such a huge issue? what a wonderful forum and game I have stumbled upon.

Thenoob
04-02-2013, 05:33 PM
I guess ill just start camping again Who needs concrete forts are for babies right. I'm sure my faction will understand that I won't be donating my daily 15-20 bricks a day .

Thenoob
04-02-2013, 05:39 PM
I told my members not to fight anymore it's not worth it. I always turned a blind eye to them complaining about lost units trying to get bricks thought they were making its seem biggger then it really was now I see why I have 160000 def and 135000 attack. Well not for long if now I loose 6 units a fight so now I'm flicking the camping switch and its done. Now I'm just going to farm desert leaders lol cause really why not. It doesn't matter any more 🐥🔫

Com rob
04-02-2013, 05:41 PM
Dude, it's obviously more than that, but that is at the core of the strategy.

Soz just pissed that I can not play the game I have been enjoying because of something I knew nothing about ie the No-no

BlackWater
04-02-2013, 05:43 PM
Fix this glitch ridden game. I won't play till this is fixed

Ratronicus
04-02-2013, 05:49 PM
I have a LLP and until now it had horrific losses whenever I attacked or get attacked. My main game on iPhone had no losses at all (almost). After China, the LLP is thriving with no losses and the main game now is in toilet. Now what do I do, start fresh?

hombre
04-02-2013, 05:59 PM
Mathematically speaking, that is all well and good. Gameplay speaking, its turkeynuts.

I have 40 stamina which take 2 hours to refill. This means I can execute 480 attacks per 24 hours. If I am losing 3 units per attack, I can lose 1460 of the 2000 units I can bring to battle. Does a 72% per day casualty rate sound like you are going to be improving your stats through PvP?

Clearly, PvP has been broken since China event. They need to fix it or no one will be using a system they just went through the trouble of adding all those additional ranks to.

i agree, i cant imagine that this really is the way they indended it. i had the no-no glitch, and i knew i was one of the lucky ones. i lost 1 unit every 100 attacks or so, i farmed every building i could find on high bp targets over weeks.

now i know how it feels, and i honestly cant believe how anyone could become so strong with those casualties. its a different game now for me. i dont know if it was intended that way by gree. maybe the glitched no-no rates were the ones they initially aimed for, who knows.

edit: what i wanted to say: maybe they werent aware that the cas rates they have set for the units (a long time ago) would result in this kind of losses once their algorithms would finally work and actually use thos cas rates. they are simply set much too high. how some managed to thrive WITH those rates is a miracle.

bloving
04-02-2013, 05:59 PM
I understand that casualty rates differ between players but "come on"....you can not tell me that there are players out there losing 3 to 4 units in one hit EVERY time they get hit or hit/raid someone. I have 13,082 units and 52 stamina. It takes 2.41 minutes to refill 1 stamina..roughly 2 hours and 5 minutes for all 52. Let's conservatively say I play 7 (and that's conservative) refills of stamina for a total of 364 times in one day...losing 3 units (and that conservative) each time. I'm losing 1,092 units a day of very expensive units that took me over a year to build up (this so far has included "gold" units). In about 12 days I will have no units at all.

There is no way that I have or can buy, beg, steal or borrow 1,000 units a day to replace what has been taken. If this was happening from the beginning of playing this game I would have called it quits a long time ago. So if there are players out there that have always lost this many a day...not sure why you've played at all.

VA Bob
04-02-2013, 06:23 PM
Same thing with me. I sent a message to support. My stats are dropping fast as well as my valor points. This is not fair and certainly makes the game less enjoyable. Please fix this and restore what we have lost.

Burnt
04-02-2013, 06:32 PM
Soz just pissed that I can not play the game I have been enjoying because of something I knew nothing about ie the No-no

No sweat, dude. I'm sure it's frustrating and we're not here to gloat or rub it in your face contrary to some posts. Most of the posts from the non-glitch-group have been informative, however, there's probably some venting as this has been an issue from day 1. I honestly had no idea how many people were in the NoNo club. At the very least it validates that I'm not going crazy when I see virtual eye after virtual eye roll when someone complains about a casualty rate. On the bright side, other than leveling the playing field, another benefit to this is that we may see less trolling on the forum since posting smack come with it more serious repercussions.



I told my members not to fight anymore it's not worth it. I always turned a blind eye to them complaining about lost units trying to get bricks thought they were making its seem biggger then it really was now I see why I have 160000 def and 135000 attack. Well not for long if now I loose 6 units a fight so now I'm flicking the camping switch and its done. Now I'm just going to farm desert leaders lol cause really why not. It doesn't matter any more 

Hey Noob, wouldn't it be the same for everyone since the playing field has been leveled?

hombre
04-02-2013, 06:33 PM
could it be that the casualty rate, referred to as "consume_percent" in the data files, now is off by a factor of 100? super hornet reads consume_percent=0.0015, a number which usually is interpreted as 0.15%. but maybe it actually was intended as an real percentage number, ie. to mean 0.0015%? that number would make alot more sense. that way, the chance to lose a hornet if attacking with 500 would be 0.75%, ie every 100 odd attacks? maybe that was the no-no glitch? also, if im right and some gree engineer reads this, id like one of those 30% health reduction pounders - thx!

Burnt
04-02-2013, 06:36 PM
So if there are players out there that have always lost this many a day...not sure why you've played at all.

It's called: Strategize>Survive>Thrive

hombre
04-02-2013, 06:36 PM
-Units can be lost to casualty from attacking or defending, and the relative strength of the players involved (i.e. if one is much stronger than the other) does not affect casualty.


thats just not true.

Rebeca
04-02-2013, 06:37 PM
I propose to Gree that during this issue remain active, suspend the accounts of the ones affected or at least for now dont include them in war lists of others players.

I lose each hour 500 A/D for attacks I receive. In one day I can lose, making nothing, 12,000 A/D.

I hope you return our unfair lost units!!!

Please answer, we have only one post in 12 hours of CJ54!!!