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Nxy
04-01-2013, 02:47 AM
It's a question that everyones been thinking about. How do they pair guilds and what factors do they use to pair you. I just want to know what everyone thinks about it.

Ms Pickles
04-01-2013, 03:09 AM
I believe it is culmutive (?) total of stats - maybe att vs def or vice versa. We have battle some guilds with few members, even half amount of members we have, but the levels of them is much greater than ours and so their stats. So result is they were much powerful than us to fight. We was 20 players of medium stat while they were 10 players of high stat. But of course only few of us able to fight at this time and so result is...we can not damage them. Seems exploit to me -> few members of high stats gets matched to guild with lots members medium stats...will win always.

Instead there should be algorithm to consider amount of players as well stats (different weighting).

Silent follower
04-01-2013, 06:16 AM
We got as an opponent a guild with only two members, their guardian had closer to 500k defense... We got beaten up like hell.

jonny0284
04-01-2013, 12:50 PM
By awesomeness.

Shinazueli
04-01-2013, 12:57 PM
Seriously, I think it's based off total guild stats and then guild guardian stats. If you're a middle of the road guild, or even a slightly above average guild, it's almost always an even match. However, for those on the extremes, like really low or really high, the algorithm cannot find you a match, so it gives you the closest guild it can find. Whether or not that works out in your favor is a matter of chance.

Perfuzzie
04-01-2013, 01:55 PM
We got as an opponent a guild with only two members, their guardian had closer to 500k defense... We got beaten up like hell.

funniest post in a while ;)

Zenobia
04-01-2013, 02:45 PM
Seriously, I think it's based off total guild stats and then guild guardian stats. If you're a middle of the road guild, or even a slightly above average guild, it's almost always an even match. However, for those on the extremes, like really low or really high, the algorithm cannot find you a match, so it gives you the closest guild it can find. Whether or not that works out in your favor is a matter of chance.
It certainly does seem like the matches for Top 50 or whatever are all over the place. And of course, guilds like FUN will have to get matched with guilds of grossly inferior stats (in comparison to them), because, well, they need to be matched! And so if you are in the Top 25, you're bound to get them at least occasionally. It's not so fun (no pun intended) when it's your turn to face them because you won't be getting many points that round. And your highest-level player will have to clean up when every single one of their boost and defensive buildings is razed despite the fact that they posed no threat.

But I just shrug and know they have to be matched with someone so sometimes it'll be us. And look forward to either having a really exciting tight match in the next match-up, or kicking some bootie. Then when we are matched with someone as proportionally below us in stats as we are to FUN, when we are through with them, we say we FUN'd them. lol. It all evens out in the end, assuming Gree knows what they're doing. Which is a big assumption, but hey, they've been working on their algorithms in other games for a while so I think they must have some clue what they are doing.

Mickeytah
04-01-2013, 04:13 PM
We got as an opponent a guild with only two members, their guardian had closer to 500k defense... We got beaten up like hell.

My roommate's guild of seven people fought a one person guild and lost.


By awesomeness.

This is why we're a Top Ten guild.

Ms Pickles
04-01-2013, 11:29 PM
There is also problem of collusion. I read FUN leaving messages on DW walls saying 'Please don't declare war now, because we are about to declare war and we dont want match to DW, so please wait some minutes'.

The Big Weezy
04-01-2013, 11:40 PM
There is also problem of collusion. I read FUN leaving messages on DW walls saying 'Please don't declare war now, because we are about to declare war and we dont want match to DW, so please wait some minutes'.

DW and FUN fought 6 times in 24 hours. Would you want to keep drawing each other over and over?

P4TR1C14N
04-02-2013, 04:13 AM
DW and FUN fought 6 times in 24 hours. Would you want to keep drawing each other over and over?

I can only concur... damn guys... we keep getting matched with FUN over and over as DW. It's not we don't want to fight them, but if you get matched 40% of your wars with same 3 guilds, it gets:
- Boring
- Biased

Let's not forget FUN, DW and other clans know eachother and beating up your friends constantly is not what we're looking for in this game. So many guilds to choose out :)

Yes... it might happen one guild contacts another one to see if we can prevent getting matched with eachother constantly. I find it the right of all Top100 clans to be matched with FUN and other top guilds get a proper beating :cool:

Ms Pickles
04-02-2013, 04:17 AM
DW and FUN fought 6 times in 24 hours. Would you want to keep drawing each other over and over?

How you don't figure this one out, wheezy ? They simply manipulate so they fight weaker guilds. Makes no difference how many times they fight ? You think there is variety ? You have special magical attack depending on different player ? Only thing change is the stats of players.

Oh! I understand.....they grow bored of same old player picture face and want different one to fight. Is more interesting and enjoyment to fight player with colorful afro hair. That must be it. You're so clever.

The Big Weezy
04-02-2013, 09:07 AM
Picklesworth, what guild are you in? Maybe our two guilds can be paired to spice up this forum drivel! And yes, there are cash cows in one guild and not in another, so variety in pairing is more than simply a form over function move.

GreenGuru
04-02-2013, 03:42 PM
How you don't figure this one out, wheezy ? They simply manipulate so they fight weaker guilds. Makes no difference how many times they fight ? You think there is variety ? You have special magical attack depending on different player ? Only thing change is the stats of players.

Oh! I understand.....they grow bored of same old player picture face and want different one to fight. Is more interesting and enjoyment to fight player with colorful afro hair. That must be it. You're so clever.

I don't understand what it is that you're trying to say a lot of the time. You're angry because they don't want to fight the same guild over and over? My guild fought the same guild twice in a row and it was irritating because of the redundancy, we play for variety not consistency. Someone playing a first person shooter doesn't want to play the same map over and over and over again, that gets boring. Them fighting weaker guilds doesn't even help their CP since the majority of their players are among the top players in the game, they have no problem reaping CP's from guilds on their level. If they fight a weaker guild they're going to get less CP per hit but since they command around a 10mil lead over #2 spot and a 20mil lead over #3 spot they don't care, they just want to fight someone different for once to get a little variety in their battles.

I see nothing sinister at trying to prevent a constant pairing with the same guild.

Me&You
04-02-2013, 04:57 PM
Oh! I understand.....they grow bored of same old player picture face and want different one to fight. Is more interesting and enjoyment to fight player with colorful afro hair. That must be it. You're so clever.

Perhaps you haven't been around long enough to understand that every player is not just a little icon and some stats, these are real people.

jonny0284
04-02-2013, 05:01 PM
I'm a real boy!

Dirt road Joe
04-02-2013, 05:03 PM
My guild isn't the biggest or the strongest. But even we have problems when fighting the same guilds repeatedly. We were matched up with the same guild 4 times in a row! While most of the members in my guild couldnt beat anyone in the apposing guild. So it was a lose lose lose for us. This is a top 100 Guild! i couldnt imagine what it must be like for a top 10 Guild...

Shinazueli
04-02-2013, 05:27 PM
I'm a real boy!

Not anymore Jonny. Remember?

jonny0284
04-02-2013, 05:39 PM
Not anymore Jonny. Remember?

I was fixed. How's your Guild doing, Shin? :) Having fun?

Rastlin
04-02-2013, 05:40 PM
I'm a real boy!
Said Pinocchio...

jonny0284
04-02-2013, 05:43 PM
Said Pinocchio...

Nice pickup. ;)

Rastlin
04-02-2013, 05:46 PM
Nice pickup. ;)
LOL Thought you'd like it.

Perfuzzie
04-02-2013, 05:52 PM
My guild isn't the biggest or the strongest. But even we have problems when fighting the same guilds repeatedly. We were matched up with the same guild 4 times in a row! While most of the members in my guild couldnt beat anyone in the apposing guild. So it was a lose lose lose for us. This is a top 100 Guild! i couldnt imagine what it must be like for a top 10 Guild...


try imagine top 1 guild :)

Dracos
04-02-2013, 09:39 PM
I think that KA trys to match guilds that are around the same rank +-10. if that dosent happen thats when you get the weak guilds or the top 3. My guild has stayed constantly 500-800 k in front of the 25 spot and have fount the same guilds over and over. No offence Dragon woriors but I really hate you guys. we just can't get points form you. We ave just under 100k and I think every time we fight you its 50-60k. then there are the top 50 or 75 guild and evry one is 120-90 again its a lost hrs and wall.