Gem Spending Explained

[Dirt road Joe]

Kingdom Age is a great MMO game available on Ipod Ipad and Iphone. When you start playing the game you will not be able to put it down. Like every game you generally gain levels and get stronger with time. But unlike many games Kingdom Age gives players a great option when playing to speed up their gaming.
Gree, the developers of Kingdom Age, have generously put in a Gem system into the game. This gem system allows you to use real life money to purchase in game content. This also allows for the game to be Advertisement free. Gems can also be earned free by downloading apps and watching trailers through certain advertisers. This is completely optional. Here is a list of the uses of gems in this game.

1. Purchase Units: Kingdom age supplies countless units that are powerful for people to purchase with gems. These units are Generally more powerful than any unit that can be obtained with Gold.(the standard ingame currency.) This is for the people that want to invest straight into thier armies and cut any variables when it comes to earning units otherwise.
Gem Price: Variable

2. Instant upgrade: Kingdom age has multiple different unit, defense and income buildings that help a player build an army, increase kingdom defense and earn gold. All upgrades take a certain period of time to complete. With Gems you can instantly upgrade your buildings to speed up construction. So that 24 hour wait turns into no wait at all if you choose to do so.
Gem Price: Variable based on time to complete.

3. Purchase energy and stamina refills: Kingdom age has a PVE and PVP system. PVE allows you to attack ingame monsters for gold and weapons that will increase your armies stats. PVP allows you to attack other people around the world allowing you to loot gold and units from enemies. Unfortunately, You are limited to how many attacks you can do based on your stamina and energy. When you run out you have the option to use Gems to purchase more. Each stamina refill allows you a completely full stamina bar to allow you to attack again. While a energy refill will fill 1000 Energy at max to allow you to attack monsters again.
Gem Price for energy refill: 20
Gem price for stamina refill: 10

4. LTQs and LTE: Kingdom age has recently added loads of new quests that allow you to unlock exclusive units for your army.
LTQs are quests just like any other. But unlike others they are limited to a certain amount of time you can complete them and usually have a grand prize for completion. They usually have multiple steps to the them and increase in difficulty when you progress through them. Most of them require completion twice in order to recieve the grand prizes. Generally to complete these quests you will need to purchase energy refills which can be bought with gems.
LTEs are quests that usually involve some kind of loot item. During these events when you attack monsters and other players you have a chance to recieve a box for the event. These boxs can be opened to reveal exclusive units or the special loot item for that event. These events usually have a leaderboard system that ties in with them as well as prizes when you recieve certain amounts of the loot item. When you open a box and recieve the loot indicated in the event it is then tallied. Everytime you recieve the loot it gets added up and will allow you to unlock prizes based on how many you recieve. The event also has special rewards for the top 250 players or so that recieve the most items. When opening a box you can choose three options. When you use Gems to open a box you are gaurunteed either a unit, money, honor or the loot item for the event. You can also reset the timer to open more boxes faster.
Gem price to open a 100% box: 20
Gem price for timer reset: 20

5. Boss events: Kingdom age occasionally has a Boss that can be triggered while playing the game. This boss is part of a limited time event. You are able to attack him, but are limited to 4 hits and then you must wait to attack him again. Unless you use Gems to instantly heal you. This will give you the ability to hit 2 times more without waiting. You can also purchase a mega hit. This will give a huge bonus to the power of your attack.
Gem price for Instant heal: 10
Gem price for power attack: 25

6. Conquest of Kings*:Kingdom Age has recently added a new feature that allows members to form guilds with other players. There will be events for these guilds to participate in called crusades. During these events 2 rival guild will wage war against eachother for one hour. Each member is allowed to hit a member from the rival guild 4 times per full health bar. When this health is depleted you must wait 25* minutes for enough health to regenerate to allow one more hit or you can Purchase a Med pack with Gems that will grant you a full health bar again allowing for another 4 hits.
Gem price for a Med pack: 25

Gem packs available for purchase:
Handful of Gems: 50
Pile of Gems: 110
Bag of Gems: 240
Chest of Gems: 650
Mountain of Gems: 1500 (Best Value)

Note: (There are different strategies you can use in all the events listed above. You can look on other threads on this forum to see what tips and tricks other players have found.)

Gems are a great bonus for those inclined to purchase them. They will give you a great advantage in the game if you spend them wisely. To apply Gem spending to a real life senerio:
You and your friend just bought the new Iphone 6. You decide to buy a fancy case that is water resistant and scratch protectant. While you buddy just gets the phone and doesnt want any bonuses with it. You guys both have the same phone. Yours just has a few upgrades
Eventually your friends screen will probably get scratched while yours is still protected by the case you invested extra money to get. Well eventually your friend doesnt want to get any more scratches so he buys a screen protector for it that way no more damage would come to it. He decided to pay a little for it but not as much as you did when you bought your case.
So now your Both happy again, but your phone still looks nicer because it has less scratches. Your friend is jealous but he deals with it.
Later on you guys are hanging out by your friends pool when suddenly someone pushes you guys in. Both of you had your phones in your pocket. Well yours has a nice case on it so it was not harmed from the water. But your friends on the other hand got soaked through and through. He manages to dry it out and it still works but his volume button no longer works. So now he is stuck with a scratched up phone that he can't adjusted the volume on and he is upset. But your Phone is just fine because of the great investment you made in the case. Although they are the same phones, you made a great investment and you got a great benefit out of it.

This is exactly how this game works. If you make an investment you will more than likely come out on top. Its just how it works. Even when investing a great deal of strategy has to be used. Generally everyone is equal. It all depends on how you play that will determine your greatness. I was a free player for a long time. When i perfected my stategy few could defeat me. It just takes time.
I apologies for grammatical errors in this. I'm not the worlds best writer.

[Gree player]

Agreed, there is no strategy in this game. Basically, empty your pocket and get the best attack/defense.

[Bubs]

"They have generously put in a gem system"? "A great deal of strategy"?

Are you serious???

You beat me to it...I read your post 2 secs after I thought it LOL

[Dirt road Joe]

You beat me to it...I read your post 2 secs after I thought it LOL
Not everybody has thousands of dollars to spend. There are many people that buy the gems and use them strategically. There are those people that buy buy buy gems. But there are others who are wiser and can make half the gems stretch just as far.
Also I'm not understanding why the people that buy gems in the game seem to be classified as the bad guys? Just remember, they are the guys that support the game so that you can play for free and without thousands of advertisements.

[Muddy]

What about hacker and cheaters? What about GrEE broke the balance with their LTE? When you have BD10 but it doesn't mean anything?

With new Events (30-50k each) you don't have to build buildings - you can take money by raids.
You don' t need dragons, just 2-4 events - right now it is one week - and you will be stronger then player with 10 bd, 1500 dragons.

To complete LTE you have two ways: buy gems and cheat with energy. And no spot for player who doesn't ready to spend 50-100 $ per event or want to play without cheats, hacks.

[Dirt road Joe]

What about hacker and cheaters? What about GrEE broke the balance with their LTE? When you have BD10 but it doesn't mean anything?

With new Events (30-50k each) you don't have to build buildings - you can take money by raids.
You don' t need dragons, just 2-4 events - right now it is one week - and you will be stronger then player with 10 bd, 1500 dragons.

To complete LTE you have two ways: buy gems and cheat with energy. And no spot for player who doesn't ready to spend 50-100 $ per event or want to play without cheats, hacks.

I started this thread to discuss gem spending. This thread is not to discuss cheaters. Cheaters should be called out to Gree directly by reporting them through a ticket. The discussion ends there.

[Muddy]

I started this thread to discuss gem spending. This thread is not to discuss cheaters. Cheaters should be called out to Gree directly by reporting them through a ticket. The discussion ends there.Sorry, yes, I understand but you know all is connected.

[GreenGuru]

Let's not start this whole "we pay so you can play" thing again. Anyone that knows their way around the business world knows that in any social media outlet be it a game, dating site, or community site (facebook, twitter, etc.) knows that this game would continue on regardless of the gem spenders. If they didn't make the money from people buying gems they'd just get it by littering the game with advertisements. So let's stop this ridiculous notion of entitlement over free players. The game only wouldn't be available to play if a huge portion of the players (free and gem) stopped playing altogether.

[GreenGuru]

Also, lets be real... if you got pushed into a pool with an iphone and no water proof case... your phone is not coming back lol. Been there and done that even WITH a water proof case just recently a few weeks ago. That phone is more sensitive to the water than a person with Xeroderma pigmentosum is to the sun :(

[Shinazueli]

Also, lets be real... if you got pushed into a pool with an iphone and no water proof case... your phone is not coming back lol. Been there and done that even WITH a water proof case just recently a few weeks ago. That phone is more sensitive to the water than a person with Xeroderma pigmentosum is to the sun :(

Your case sucks then. I put mine into my cup of coffee last week while I was driving because I wasn't paying attention. I sprung for the expensive case because I'm accident prone. I only noticed it because it lit up with a message that said "this accessory is not optimized for the iPhone". Lol. I just took it out and wiped it off, and nothing was wrong. You get what you pay for, and Gree hates campers with an undying passion, because we got to be semi strong for free. Note the past tense.

[GreenGuru]

Your case sucks then. I put mine into my cup of coffee last week while I was driving because I wasn't paying attention. I sprung for the expensive case because I'm accident prone. I only noticed it because it lit up with a message that said "this accessory is not optimized for the iPhone". Lol. I just took it out and wiped it off, and nothing was wrong. You get what you pay for, and Gree hates campers with an undying passion, because we got to be semi strong for free. Note the past tense.

Nothing lasts forever, I payed $80 for that case (Lifeproof case) and it worked for a good amount of time but it failed on me eventually when I tried to record some manatees I was swimming with a couple of weeks ago

[Shinazueli]

Nothing lasts forever, I payed $80 for that case (Lifeproof case) and it worked for a good amount of time but it failed on me eventually when I tried to record some manatees I was swimming with a couple of weeks ago
Oic. Apologies for jumping to conclusions. May I recommend the OtterBox? If you break your phone while its in the case they'll replace the phone.

[Rastlin]

Super off topic now.... But here's my two cents... Most of the "water proof" cases are only good till 3 feet of water. So drop in coffee cup, ok. Fall in pool deeper than 3 feet, not ok. Ok now back to KA.

[Dirt road Joe]

Let's not start this whole "we pay so you can play" thing again. Anyone that knows their way around the business world knows that in any social media outlet be it a game, dating site, or community site (facebook, twitter, etc.) knows that this game would continue on regardless of the gem spenders. If they didn't make the money from people buying gems they'd just get it by littering the game with advertisements. So let's stop this ridiculous notion of entitlement over free players. The game only wouldn't be available to play if a huge portion of the players (free and gem) stopped playing altogether.
I apologies, That wasnt the direction i was trying to go with this.

[asdfg12345]

Lets be real,gem spending isn't the issue. the issue is LTQ. It inflated stats too fast and will make the game unplayable quickly.

[Shinazueli]

They don't care when they pull in 100k an event.

[darknite]

Lets be real,gem spending isn't the issue. the issue is LTQ. It inflated stats too fast and will make the game unplayable quickly.

i agree with you asdfg real issue is ltqs , jumps your stats way too quicker than regular game routine. i think we cannot complain about gem prices .when funzio came out with cc they had same gem/gold prices, their second game mw again same gold prices ,and now k.a. they still charging same ,we can say that they are kinda generous because they didnt raise gem prices over 2 years :cool: .i know they pushing everybody to buy more gems with these ltqs but its a choice and its obvious that you cannot get stronger/competitive in these games without gem/gold purchase.
stop playing cc and mw ,time is coming for k.a. before i invest too much :D

[Dirt road Joe]

Lets be real,gem spending isn't the issue. the issue is LTQ. It inflated stats too fast and will make the game unplayable quickly.

For this reason i have decided to purchase gems. If you dont you will simply fall behind. They will soon have to put in more units that can be purchased with gold to help balance things out. Good thing is Gree has thousands of players that play this game and only a small percentage of us participate on these forums. So there are thousands of regular players that are completely blind to the fact that they may be losing out in these events. Many play the events and may only get 25% of the way through but dont know any better. There is no leaderboard for the players that complete the LTQs. They dont realize how big some of the gem spenders can be. They are probably earning their free gems and they are completely happy with that not realizing how unbalanced everything is actually becoming.

I myself have mainly started buying gems because i need to get "ahead" and boost my defense because i have about 35 Guild members relying on me to protect them come war time. I am taking advantage of all the boosted units i can while it lasts.

[The Big Weezy]

There are 11,000 guilds, and over 300,000 daily players.

[The Big Weezy]

I myself have mainly started buying gems because i need to get "ahead" and boost my defense because i have about 35 Guild members relying on me to protect them come war time. I am taking advantage of all the boosted units i can while it lasts.

If the rest of your guild is full of weak stat players, it won't matter how much defense your hero has. Your guild will lose mountains of points if there are a bunch of meat shields cowering behind you when (not if) you are taken down by rivals in the wars.

[Dirt road Joe]

If the rest of your guild is full of weak stat players, it won't matter how much defense your hero has. Your guild will lose mountains of points if there are a bunch of meat shields cowering behind you when (not if) you are taken down by rivals in the wars.

I did make that sound bad. I should have said something more along the lines of slowing them down.

[darknite]

what about battle rules/structure guys? i cannot start a new thread about this (im still junior member) can we share our assumptions about battle based on mw or cc ?

[GreenGuru]

i agree with you asdfg real issue is ltqs , jumps your stats way too quicker than regular game routine. i think we cannot complain about gem prices .when funzio came out with cc they had same gem/gold prices, their second game mw again same gold prices ,and now k.a. they still charging same ,we can say that they are kinda generous because they didnt raise gem prices over 2 years :cool: .i know they pushing everybody to buy more gems with these ltqs but its a choice and its obvious that you cannot get stronger/competitive in these games without gem/gold purchase.
stop playing cc and mw ,time is coming for k.a. before i invest too much :D

Well they don't have to change the gem prices actually, doing so as we know (and GREE knows) would cause an outrage of spenders getting angry over it. Instead, as being a successful and intelligent business, GREE will make you spend the money they want by just making events that are harder to complete but offer game items (that are pure profit to GREE since it costs them nothing to make) that will be necessary to obtain in order to keep that edge over your enemies. So this will make those who have already spent quite a lot think (already dulled out (x) much cash, might as well throw in a little more to keep my spot on top so my money spent before wasn't for nothing). Because of stat inflation though your money spent back then actually WAS for nothing these days as those now weak units contribute practically nothing to your current stats. So your units you spend money to obtain (and all units) in a sense have an expiration date because eventually the game will revolve around having much stronger units. This is actually a brilliant business plan that GREE runs on because instead of spending a certain amount of cash to get on top and stay on top, you have to keep on spending to stay on top or else get left behind quickly and your once strong account that you spent thousands of dollars to bolster will become weaker than someones free account if you stopped playing for a year (at the current rate).

Just thought I'd share some insight on business that has us hooked on spending because we're all so addicted :D

As a business man myself I admire their ability to do this even though most view GREE as unethical, immoral, and evil even as they accuse them of being GREEdy (lol). It's still very impressive for them to accomplish because your only enslavement to this game and GREE is your own lust to become stronger than everyone else.

[GreenGuru]

Let me also say I'm not entirely right in that fact that the money you spent in the past was for nothing. In a long term view of the game, right now it was for nothing. In a view of yourself at that current time though it was worth your happiness in the game at that time if that's what you wanted right then and there.

[TempusDA]

The secret is to not worry what other people do and enjoy the game. Don't get caught up in trends. Racing to the end of the game will take you to the place of what now, then you quickly realize you were so concerned on being the best and competing with others you forgot to enjoy the journey it takes to get there.

I remembered when I played the first EQ and they would change the specs on classes creating a new character to pull mobs for a guild cause now Bards were better at pulling than monks. I realized that i was spending ridiculous amounts of time power leveling my new bard to match my monk I forgot to enjoy the game and lost the whole reason I played the game in the first place. I started focusing more on having fun than racing to a high level and started enjoying the game more.

Bottom line Gree is business they research the trends of players and base their marketing and game systems to maximize profits. It is difficult for a large business if it has multiple investors, follow how they would like the game to go, because they have to also follow the demands of the people that have invested money into the company, they are going to expect returns.

If you are unhappy with a system and buy into it then you are adding to the problem and have no one to blame but your self. If you complain and buy gems anyways well guess what the report will say profit game and they will continue in that direction because even tho you dont like the system you are paying into saying that they are on the right track. The investors will like the system and the trend will continue.

The only way to stop it is stop paying into the system you don't like. Don't worry about how high or how good other people are. play the game to enjoy it. If people stop purchasing gems because they don't believe in it and profits go down then they will have to create a new system to generate profits.

So if you don't like how expensive things are and it costs to much to buy gems then don't buy gems. But if you don't like the system and are complaining and buying gems then....
...well you will have no one to blame but your self and all the other people that say it is not good but buy anyways.

If people think the game is unbalanced and stop purchasing gems cause the gem prices are too high or there are too many back to back LTE & LTQ. Then profits will go down. Sytems will change to ensure that they generate profit. The price of gems will go down. More gem sales will be offered, the game will get more balanced.

If people complain prices of gems are too high, there are too many LTE & LTQ back to back and keep buying gems. Then well guess what that trend will continue cause the demand is there. A lot of times in a corporation the people developing the game want the same thing that you want but board members force them to develop the game in a way that generates maximum profit, against the recommendations of the developers that actually design changes in the game. A lot of times the developers will bring the suggestions of players to the board but the board will say well they are still spending money actually even more so we will keep it the way it is.

If you want to help the people in the staff that bring your demands to the board then stop supporting the system that you don't agree with, fight your compulsions, and actually follow with action the ideas that you have by not feeding the system you don't agree with. Cause other wise you can expect that the game will not change till you the buyer decides to change.

Don't just complain react with actions that back up what you say. otherwise saying it is useless.

No injustice in life will change if people complain and expect others to fix the problem. This world will only change when people take action against the problems themselves. Waiting for others to take action means waiting for an eternity for change while everyone else is waiting for someone else to to actions to change the world. If you want to live in a better world you have to do your part in creating it.

My 2 free gems. :)

Tempus

[Dirt road Joe]

The secret is to not worry what other people do and enjoy the game. Don't get caught up in trends. Racing to the end of the game will take you to the place of what now, then you quickly realize you were so concerned on being the best and competing with others you forgot to enjoy the journey it takes to get there.
Exactly. I spend Gems because i am ridiculously addicted to this game... But like i said before i only started buying recently when the guilds came out. My guild might not be the strongest. But the group of guys and gals we have make it fun. If the guild system hadn't come out i would have probably stopped playing this game after a little while. But now i have a renewed interest in the game.

[phopjon]

Well said, tempus.

[TempusDA]

Thank You

Don't know hat happened something just came over me. I must have been temporally possessed by the wisdom of the universe. :) hehe

would like to add:

If you want to break above 400k without spending money on gems you can do it and people have done it.

You will just have to be patient and take time to get there. But if you want to get there fast by all means spend the gems if you can afford it and it makes you happy. I spend cash on gems from time to time I just try to research which ones are worth spending a moderate amount in.

After all, if you like a game you should spend some money in it. The game would go away if people didn't spend money.

I for one will not purchase mountains of gems every time a quest comes out, but that's me.

Probably one of the best time to buy gems is when the sale comes around, and save it for the quests you really find worth spending gems on, resist the urge to spend it all too quickly. If there was the one quest I might be tempted to spend a decent amount of cash on it would be cupids bow. :)

The best time to spend gems on the quests like A Bard's Song, A Brutish Codex, etc is at the beginning when you kill the mobs with one hit and don't loose extra energy from return hits from the mobs. I then stop the gem spending when I get to the Hard mobs that takes away a lot of energy with each hit as high as -65 energy as well as the initial cost to attack the creature. That each -65 adds up quickly and you will waste a lot of gems on these. If you hit a mob 7 times to kill it and there are 5 of these in one level, you would loose 2275 energy on the hits from the mob alone not including the initial cost just to hit the mobs. That is a lot of wasted energy. You often have 3 to 5 days to finish a quest there is no reason to rush through the hard parts of the normal side of the quest. Unless you have to be the first kid on the block to finish it. :)

This is when I get out my free "manytimer" app, a multi-countdown timer. Divide the energy cost it takes to hit the monster by three, and set my countdown timer for that many minutes. That way I only spend energy on the initial cost to hit the mob and don't loose any energy from their hits.

Once I finish the hard mobs in normal mode. I start using gems again on the easy mobs. I stop spending gems when I start loosing energy from the hits from mobs, then I just get as far as I can without spending anymore money on gems. This is for the quests that I actually decide to spend gems on, when I do I try to get the bang for the buck I don't spend cash on quests very often but when i do that's how i do it. So yes even now there are strategies to the game.

Hope that helps, some people use the free gems they get and spend them wisely when they save them up for a quest they like.

Tempus

[Perfuzzie]

This is why I camp. No need to spend gems. No need to worry about players 100 levels above me. Just pure enjoyment.

with all the ltq gree is throwing at us ... camping is a thing of the past , there are to many units more valuable than dragons out there , even if u play it free u still can get a decent amount of indestructible . spend your energy wise like u said . minimize the gem spending and there u go , u can be a decent player in KA .

[RotoMan]

3. Purchase energy and stamina refills: Kingdom age has a PVE and PVP system. PVE allows you to attack ingame monsters for gold and weapons that will increase your armies stats. PVP allows you to attack other people around the world allowing you to loot gold and units from enemies. Unfortunately, You are limited to how many attacks you can do based on your stamina and energy. When you run out you have the option to use Gems to purchase more. Each stamina refill allows you a completely full stamina bar to allow you to attack again. While a energy refill will fill 1000 Energy at max to allow you to attack monsters again.
Gem Price for energy refill: 20
Gem price for stamina refill: 10


Thanks Joe, I wish I had known some of this earlier. I was very disappointed to know that Energy Refills were actually Partial Energy Refills. I recently came to a point where my energy was over 1000 and used a refill and found that it only went to 1000 (sometimes 990). Doesn't seem do too much for high level players. I think GREE should make this a true energy refill!

[Jixx]

No matter what freemium game you play, if the game is popular enough there will always be people throwing money at it like there's no tomorrow. The problem with KA and its like is that the majority of the people out there feel like they HAVE to pay to keep up. Its a psycological addiction. There are just too few absolutely free players out there, most are minor to medium gemspenders.

[GreenGuru]

Yeah you forget that many top gem spenders out there are perfectly happy spending what they do, so getting a few unhappy ones to start a strike against GREE to change the game just won't happen.

Also, as I said before, the game WILL go on if people stopped buying gems. This game would become littered with advertisements and budget cuts would mean all your desired help from the support team would dissipate and events might occur less often or just use redundant units and images but the game WILL go on, it isn't reliant on people buying gems to keep going. This obviously will never happen nor do I desire it to as I would hate annoying adds and a boring game, but I just want people to stop thinking that the game wouldn't exist without gem spenders.

Excuse my run-on sentences

[Sludgeboy]

You forgot one.

7. If you are unlucky and don't receive the final drop/prize to get the special unit after spending mountains of gems. Send in a CRY ticket to get it.

[Shinazueli]

This doesn't always work, especially now that more people know about it. I'd expect a lot of changes ( not for the better) as more people start spending.

[bobfishcake]

I think this analogy is quite apt.

PvP is like poker. Except when you start everyone only get one card. But you can pay the dealer to give you more cards. The more you pay the more cards the dealer gives you to make a poker hand. In the extreme a free player will have one card and a whale will have the other 51 cards. The free player will hope to get his best hand of ace high and the whale will always have a royal flush. So even the best free player will always be crushed by a whale.

[darknite]

greenguru you started this gem/bussines.....(fun&endless conversation ) :) i dont think that game wouldnt exist without gem spenders, everybody started as a free player right because game is free.
main problem started with gem factor in the game just gives you advantage and freeplayers cannot keep up, they spent same amount of time/effort but their stats are way too lower than a gem player( thats why they and i think its not fair ;meaning that it doesnt depend on players skills)" come on guys there is no strategy in this game its preety simple , maybe little facts that can benefit you like camping or timing your hits vs vs ...( we all know its not gem spenders faulth, its not gree s either because as you guys said its just a bussiness for them)
gree is wrong with not adding up gold purchased strong units or strong honor units to this game . right now honor points mean nothing and highest stat unit in the game is dragon.
we just got stuck with ltq , if you want to get stronger you have to do it( and you have options "gem"). dont agree with just try to have fun, wait for whales to level up and you can compete after 6 months with freeplayers, because its boring to wait and hope that someday you will get strong :).
problem is free player cannot see any gain/progress in his/her hero, if they add new units i know gem players will buy more units and get stronger " they will be happy" but at the same time freeplayer will gain some stats and will be happier than just wondering how strong his/her hero would be if he was a gem spender .

add some feautures to this game ,mw is 10 times better than this game just takes way more time ( valor points, ranks, strong units, more gold purchase unit vareity...lower your ally count to be on the safe side and buy expensive buildings... many more) i stopped it because i was going back and forward between gree games and killing my time . k.a. is preety simple comparing to mw, but gree stopped improving the game and except this guild feature "having a team and chat option which we have done it in mw or cc" i started to get dissappointed with overall progress of the game ( im in nobody s side , just said what i think ) this is not about gem vs free, its about lazy gree game creators( maybe they think that they are really smart ).

[darknite]

You can master this game by controlling your urges. Otherwise, the game will master you.
my urge is undercontroll already, for me time is limited,just didnt wanna stop playing before first battle 'felt responsible to my teammates' when i stopped playing mw i raised 450 mil from my base(sold everything) and donated to my faction right before i left,for cc 95 mil and did same. for me its just a game nothing else,i would challenge myself in a real word than this imaginational gameworld.;) and wont feel bad about not finishing it because this game wont end! maybe it will become unpopular and ppl will stop playing but i dont think gree will let it end"why would they" bcoz ppl addicted to this game for now until another good game comes out.

[GreenGuru]

greenguru you started this gem/bussines.....(fun&endless conversation ) :) i dont think that game wouldnt exist without gem spenders, everybody started as a free player right because game is free.

This was directed to everyone who has stated so far that if people didn't spend gems, the game would not exist or that the game would not exist without large spenders.


this is not about gem vs free, its about lazy gree game creators( maybe they think that they are really smart ).
Most social media games are in it for the profit so good luck finding one entirely free where your skill is based only on your strategy and time spent (though there are still strategies in this game whether you believe it or not). Yes, GREE is pretty smart for a business considering since happiness in the game is opposed to profit for the business, their desire to keep you happy only goes as far as keeping happiness and profit in equilibrium. In other words your happiness only matters to them enough to keep you (rather the majority, not you specifically) playing, so they'll try to make as much profit as they can without it causing everyone to quit.

Welcome to the world of business!

[GreenGuru]

You can master this game by controlling your urges. Otherwise, the game will master you.
Well said, lol. By the way, I haven't commented on your posts about camping yet but here's my view. I played this game because I like the interaction with your kingdom and the maps and environment as well as the units you can build in your army. I haven't entered whale territory yet but eventually I will. I am preparing myself the best I can before I get there so I don't get obliterated like some but I'm aware I will never spend enough to be safe from those on top. Personally, I don't care that eventually I'll enter the area where those whales can take what they want from my kingdom. Currently gold is becoming more and more useless as you build your army with indestructible units and as long as you have your BD10 before you enter the whale zone you can vault more then enough gold to continue buying dragons for the time you still use them. Since you can make more money from raiding and attacking, building your income up isn't all that important anymore either (note I said not ALL, it still has some importance). I never cared much for the PvE but I embraced it as I realized how much of a role in this game it played. My point is, even if I fall to the whales, I can still participate in PvE and build my kingdom which is the reason I joined this game in the first place.

[darknite]

i didnt state that im looking for free game ,anyway. i just dont get it why you guys always take it as free vs gem. big weezy said there are 11k guilds and 300k players, so how many of 300k are gem spenders? right now everybody is helping gree with tapjoy option"advertisement income". good bussiness.

[Shinazueli]

You think so, til you realize the amount of money they make on a shoestring budget. They make millions per week on these events, and pay like two programmers and two support people, neither of which speak English. Good business model. I mean, they have a healthy market of people who want to mmo game but cannot afford to sit for hours at a computer. As long as that market exists, read:forever, they'll have a game.

[phopjon]

I think Gree ought to learn something from that model. The wide gap between free and premium means Gree's current model isn't sustainable in the long term.

Gree bought funzio for like $200 million, and I think have managed to build on their brilliantly evil, never ending pancake stack of pay-to-play awards, to the point where I'm confident they'll increase that value. I think they will lose some users, but others will fill the gap and the game is compelling enough that you'll stick it out for awhile. I enjoy the game a lot, but make sure not to stress too much that I'm not going to compete with the spenders.

[goowokji]

I guess I will just have to snail my way thru this game without buying gems, maybe by the time I retire I will have upgraded my buildings to lvl 10.

[Shinazueli]

I think they worked out that it takes a little over two years to do all the money buildings.