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PawnXIIX
02-22-2013, 01:17 PM
Has anybody else been fighting and noticed that rivals have massively inflated stats? In some cases up to 200% actual stats?

My last fight the profile says they had 42k defense but the fight results screen revealed they in reality only had 29k defense.

I'm sorry if this has been documented already I've been a little out of it lately :p

MrWiggles
02-22-2013, 01:20 PM
Its because the defense buildings they have don't give the full benefit. It's like a 50% addition to defense or something.

CodeX777
02-22-2013, 01:20 PM
yeah had the same experience as you, but don't forget about the defense buildings...they add up fake stats on the profile page

PawnXIIX
02-22-2013, 01:22 PM
Every single person suddenly has an extra 15k defense than they should, I thought we got rid of the visible bonus from defense buildings? Suddenly everyone with 300 - 500 mafia around me has 50k defense and higher and I don't think I've entered the shark tank anytime soon either.

CodeX777
02-22-2013, 01:23 PM
Every single person suddenly has an extra 15k defense than they should, I thought we got rid of the visible bonus from defense buildings? Suddenly everyone with 300 - 500 mafia around me has 50k defense and higher and I don't think I've entered the shark tank anytime soon either.
i dont think we got rid of the visible bonuses...

Daswi
02-22-2013, 01:23 PM
Actually, I have noticed the exact opposite. Profile says 29k defense and fight results shows 42k.

sister morphine
02-22-2013, 01:24 PM
Its because the defense buildings they have don't give the full benefit. It's like a 50% addition to defense or something.
Oh far more than that. Extreme example is level 10 bodyguard; claimed 750, actual more like 55

CodeX777
02-22-2013, 01:25 PM
Actually, I have noticed the exact opposite. Profile says 29k defense and fight results shows 42k.
seriously??!!!! i wonder hows that possible...

PawnXIIX
02-22-2013, 01:29 PM
Maybe because i just switched devices? On my IPod it wasn't doing this poorly with the stats, it was pretty accurate in the sense that whatever their profile defense was minus the 2 mafia from the skullcrusher flail was the result for hte most part.

cooch
02-22-2013, 02:06 PM
[QUOTE=PawnXIIX;611863]Maybe because i just switched devices? On my IPod it wasn't doing this poorly with the stats, it was pretty accurate in the sense that whatever their profile defense was minus the 2 mafia from the skullcrusher flail was the result for hte most part.[/QUOTE

Pawn, you're not taking into account the syndicate effect. If your opponent belongs to one then it's a function of how many defense boosts they have multiplied by the real defense and real bldg defense on one calculation (the one you see when you PVP) and a simple across the board multiplier for the profile stats.

You should see more of this with the new PVP contest for top 50 syn. That is if you can figure out if they belong to a syn (if you waste time reading their msg board and if they tell anyone). If you are a quant junkie knock yourself out.

It took me awhile to realize stats were different while hunting for bricks and the variance by looking at hoods vs profile stats vs actual Def number that things were different and much more unpredictable.

cooch
02-22-2013, 02:06 PM
[QUOTE=PawnXIIX;611863]Maybe because i just switched devices? On my IPod it wasn't doing this poorly with the stats, it was pretty accurate in the sense that whatever their profile defense was minus the 2 mafia from the skullcrusher flail was the result for hte most part.[/QUOTE

Pawn, you're not taking into account the syndicate effect. If your opponent belongs to one then it's a function of how many defense boosts they have multiplied by the real defense and real bldg defense on one calculation (the one you see when you PVP) and a simple across the board multiplier for the profile stats.

You should see more of this with the new PVP contest for top 50 syn. That is if you can figure out if they belong to a syn (if you waste time reading their msg board and if they tell anyone). If you are a quant junkie knock yourself out.

It took me awhile to realize stats were different while hunting for bricks and the variance by looking at hoods vs profile stats vs actual Def number that things were different and much more unpredictable.

Ak Killah
02-22-2013, 02:17 PM
Actually, I have noticed the exact opposite. Profile says 29k defense and fight results shows 42k.The syndicate bonus doesn't appear in the profile, only fight results

bimmer kid
02-22-2013, 02:56 PM
Actually, I have noticed the exact opposite. Profile says 29k defense and fight results shows 42k.
yup same here. im guessing the defense stat boost from syndicates is not showing when you click the rivals info. it only shows once you attack them. very dumb if you ask me.....(im on droid btw)

Daswi
02-22-2013, 03:01 PM
seriously??!!!! i wonder hows that possible...

Just happened again to a lesser extent. I attack this dude with 27k defense and fight result shows 33k.

CodeX777
02-22-2013, 03:05 PM
Just happened again to a lesser extent. I attack this dude with 27k defense and fight result shows 33k.
hmm i need someone to attack me and tell me what my actual stats are....

KizbotBro
02-22-2013, 03:23 PM
Essentially what we are all in agreeing with is that the GUI completed sucks. It gives completely different numbers on iOS compared to android and its been like this for as long as I can remember.

The fact that defense buildings have been giving fake defense numbers has been going on for over a year and in that time has sparked possibly hundreds of confused players to put on the forum "how come its different when this..."

ergo Funzio/GREE have never cared about this issue and have no intention of fixing it.

Sorry, but its bs like this that really bugs me, I mean its a character stat and its never correct. How many other games have you played where a crucial number to your character was never correct?

Imagine that in a shooting game..
[You have 30 bullets left]

bang,bang

[You have run out of ammo]

wait, what?!

PawnXIIX
02-22-2013, 03:47 PM
I doubt that all these low attack/defense/IPH players would be in a syndicate that could afford all the apparent bonuses...I think just somehow the fact that I'm in a syndicate that has those bonuses it is relating those to the person who I'm viewing O.o

CodeX777
02-22-2013, 03:52 PM
I doubt that all these low attack/defense/IPH players would be in a syndicate that could afford all the apparent bonuses...I think just somehow the fact that I'm in a syndicate that has those bonuses it is relating those to the person who I'm viewing O.o
nice theory....that also might be it. hmmm so syndicate bonuses, and defense buildings anything else to top it off?

PawnXIIX
02-22-2013, 04:04 PM
nice theory....that also might be it. hmmm so syndicate bonuses, and defense buildings anything else to top it off?

http://www.americathebrewtiful.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Aliens-meme.jpg

Username088
02-22-2013, 04:10 PM
I doubt that all these low attack/defense/IPH players would be in a syndicate that could afford all the apparent bonuses...I think just somehow the fact that I'm in a syndicate that has those bonuses it is relating those to the person who I'm viewing O.o


The syndicate defense bonuses are pretty cheap...

PawnXIIX
02-22-2013, 04:12 PM
The syndicate defense bonuses are pretty cheap...

Some of these people have IPH of not even $50k. I assume they would just be making themselves into 1 member syndicates to get the bonuses so I don't think they're saving up a ton of money for the bonuses. I think there's a simpler explanation

cooch
02-22-2013, 04:53 PM
I doubt that all these low attack/defense/IPH players would be in a syndicate that could afford all the apparent bonuses...I think just somehow the fact that I'm in a syndicate that has those bonuses it is relating those to the person who I'm viewing O.o

Wouldn't go that far in assumption Pawn. I think after PVP wars earliest, first Syn war latest, a lot of free riders will be kicked to curb in syndicates. Many going along for the ride mostly not sure about the Syn wars, others not trusting each other (except those that joined via forum or are in top dog/spender level).

Trust me there are a lot of low level folks in Syns.

bald zeemer
02-22-2013, 05:03 PM
I just saw the most extreme false stats yet. I hit a guy with 230k defense showing - actual defense 78k. A hod full of level 10 d-buildings, of course.

CodeX777
02-22-2013, 09:30 PM
http://www.americathebrewtiful.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Aliens-meme.jpg
hahahahahahahahahahaha you crack me up that made my day :D

PawnXIIX
02-22-2013, 09:41 PM
hahahahahahahahahahaha you crack me up that made my day :D

It's been a while since I've had an opportunity to bring that image here :p

Plumbernick9
02-22-2013, 09:55 PM
Has anybody else been fighting and noticed that rivals have massively inflated stats? In some cases up to 200% actual stats?

My last fight the profile says they had 42k defense but the fight results screen revealed they in reality only had 29k defense.

I'm sorry if this has been documented already I've been a little out of it lately :p

http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy339/plumbernick9/3f565724d94949f8c55edc3d00ffd034_zps3cf57fb2.jpg

PawnXIIX
02-22-2013, 10:01 PM
http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy339/plumbernick9/3f565724d94949f8c55edc3d00ffd034_zps3cf57fb2.jpg

I just transferred to a new device and suddenly the stats are incredibly inflated which is completely different than my IPod where it was actually not inflated at all.

name
02-23-2013, 04:52 PM
Something really weird happens to my stats;

Columns are as following, rows are time elapsing from the start of the event to now.
A = ATK of my profile
B = DEF of my profile
C / D = increase/decrease of my stats over the line above
E / F = True stats (so minus the number of pigskins multiplied by 610 for attack or 900 for def)
G / H = True stats increase over the line above
I = number of pigskins.



A B C D E F G H I
36294 40522 15 26 0
62003 77402 25709 36880 37603 41402 1309 880 40
77838 100410 15835 23008 38188 41910 585 508 65
75701 97112 -2137 -3298 38491 42212 303 302 61
61849 90205 -13852 -6907 34399 49705 -4092 7493 45
59309 82991 -2540 -7214 37349 50591 2950 886 36
46428 60888 -12881 -22103 37888 48288 539 -2303 14
39500 48847 -6928 -12041 38280 47047 392 -1241 2


I've been keeping all my other explosives at the same rate so they don't affect my scores.

Between 61 and 45 pigskins I got the syndicate update which pushed me back 4000 points in attack and raised me 7500 points in defence? Why?

And even more weird is that now I'm losing pigskins fast my true defence becomes lower. This could only happen if the pigskins were meisured higher then the actual 900 points defence they should have been. After all my stats couldn't decline when I'm only getting more items instead of less.

Wish I would understand why this is happening..

spunky1
02-25-2013, 03:17 PM
Have you taken into consideration your rival is most probably in a syndicate that has both bomb attack bonuses and bomb defense bonuses? These r up to 25%. I have seen differences as much as 40% though so maybe it takes into account the lack of defense bonuses of my opponent as well as the amount of Attack bonuses my syndicate has???

gadgetgirl88
02-25-2013, 04:43 PM
Something really weird happens to my stats;

Columns are as following, rows are time elapsing from the start of the event to now.
A = ATK of my profile
B = DEF of my profile
C / D = increase/decrease of my stats over the line above
E / F = True stats (so minus the number of pigskins multiplied by 610 for attack or 900 for def)
G / H = True stats increase over the line above
I = number of pigskins.



A B C D E F G H I
36294 40522 15 26 0
62003 77402 25709 36880 37603 41402 1309 880 40
77838 100410 15835 23008 38188 41910 585 508 65
75701 97112 -2137 -3298 38491 42212 303 302 61
61849 90205 -13852 -6907 34399 49705 -4092 7493 45
59309 82991 -2540 -7214 37349 50591 2950 886 36
46428 60888 -12881 -22103 37888 48288 539 -2303 14
39500 48847 -6928 -12041 38280 47047 392 -1241 2


I've been keeping all my other explosives at the same rate so they don't affect my scores.

Between 61 and 45 pigskins I got the syndicate update which pushed me back 4000 points in attack and raised me 7500 points in defence? Why?

And even more weird is that now I'm losing pigskins fast my true defence becomes lower. This could only happen if the pigskins were meisured higher then the actual 900 points defence they should have been. After all my stats couldn't decline when I'm only getting more items instead of less.

Wish I would understand why this is happening..

all of a sudden i am losing pigskins like crazy. I started with 104 and they slowly diminished if i was
attacked but now they are going like crazy to people that I should easily be able to beat. my attack is
88K and I lost a pigskin fighting a 35K defense. And my numbers all went up with my syndicate bonuses.

Jekevoy
02-25-2013, 06:38 PM
I figure that I can't see syndicate bonuses because I didn't havethis problem before syndictes came out.

WinkadInk
02-25-2013, 06:46 PM
Well thx to syndicate inflation all those junk 20-30k stat people can't rob me anymore lol. We have all the bonuses and I shot up like 20k in def. Atk bonuses we have half of them and attack went up 10k. So I'm quite enjoying the syndicate stuff

gambet1234
02-26-2013, 12:11 AM
Yep. All defensive bonuses except for Defense Building Defense have shown up in all my profiles, iPad and Android. My Android sees my iPad, through the syndicate, with 5090 defense instead of 3xxx. I'm showing numbers all over the place, both right and wrong. I see players with wrong defense stats who say they aren't in a syndicate. I see my other accounts with wrong stats. I see my numbers not move when I buy some bonuses. I gave up on this BS and just attack randomly until I find someone I can hit, Rob them blind, then get my last 9 hits, or 3 in the case of the iPad. It is what it is, as it always has been.

I have to assume that they know about discrepancies like this (they do run this forum, after all) and that it is just going to take a LOT of time to fix. Hopefully they fix the multiclick loot first as that actually changes gameplay. They'll get these problems fixed sooner or later.

/s You could always encourage them to hurry it along by spending a little money on gold! /s