Absolutely bonkers WD point returns from attacks!

[Generik79]

The wall is down. Our higher stat players are getting 95-145 points per win. Our 65-90k non-gold guys are getting 220-300 per win. Any explanation? Anyone see this? We have guys with half the wins on the same player with twice the points!

[JMC]

Seems to be something wrong with the amount of points awarded for wins. In the previous war, defense stat didn't even effect WD points awarded and certainly doesn't seem to matter in this war. I attacked multiple players with 150K+ defence and received only 70 points.

Successful defenses do seem to be rewarding a good amount of points though, something like 200-300 per defend. I assume your higher stat players are gold players and therefore initiated more attacks. Because of this low WD point payout their average per battle is much lower because every additional time they attack they lower the average. On the contrary your non-gold players have most of their wins or a higher percent at least made up from successful defends. So their average would be much higher.

[Captian Awesome]

Seems to be something wrong with the amount of points awarded for wins. In the previous war, defense stat didn't even effect WD points awarded and certainly doesn't seem to matter in this war. I attacked multiple players with 150K+ defence and received only 70 points.

Successful defenses do seem to be rewarding a good amount of points though, something like 200-300 per defend. I assume your higher stat players are gold players and therefore initiated more attacks. Because of this low WD point payout their average per battle is much lower because every additional time they attack they lower the average. On the contrary your non-gold players have most of their wins or a higher percent at least made up from successful defends. So their average would be much higher.

Nope ... Definitely a glitch. No double points for some.

[jon_funzio]

Why's that mean something's wrong, something's just different. I got 438 off an attack just now - beat that!

[vorm]

Why's that mean something's wrong, something's just different. I got 438 off an attack just now - beat that!

I got 444 on one hit. Got ya beat. :)

[HGF69]

Did 50 attacks first battle, yet someone else with 25 get double my WD total..... Wtf

[Forced Ll@ma]

getting the same amount of points hiting the command center as i am hitting players. Somewhere between 50 to 75 points. Pretty sure last time i was getting over 200 a hit

[Generik79]

Images from battle showing this issue. Everything here is an attack against THE SAME OPPOSING PLAYER.

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[mikejmc]

Looks like attacking high level players reward more wd points

[Paisthecoolest]

Haven't gotten over sixty points yet

[Mudphud]

Haven't gotten over sixty points yet
What's your level?

[Web323]

This is pointless, wall down should double totals but avg 100 per attack.

[CJ54]

Hey guys, we're checking this out right now. Wing a ticket to support about it so we have your player info. Thank you.

[Web323]

Ticket submitted, I have wasted too much gold for not getting double points.

[Baraka]

Will we get points back we are loosing. There are teams up in top ten that should be no where near. Maybe they don't have the issues some teams are having.

[procsyzarc]

I haven't gotten more than 50 points in an attack yet lowest is 39, over all my attacks would have got more attacking the wall

[Web323]

I doubt they can adjust the points, but going forward it would be nice. Lowest yield was 19 and best was 168.

[procsyzarc]

Looks like it is based on Level so if you are L200 not only do you get screwed in boss events you are now worthless in wd events too

[nic4msu]

This is ridiculous! Is there even a point to taking down the wall? I want the gold I used to tear down that wall back!

[nic4msu]

Hey guys, we're checking this out right now. Wing a ticket to support about it so we have your player info. Thank you.

CJ, would you like every member over our factions to submit tickets, or just one per faction?

[mitch1029]

From what I have gathered so far, the WD points have something to do with your level in comparison to the player you attack. I have a level 82 player in my faction hitting a level 142 and winning and getting over 200WD points for it. I'm level 116 and by beating the same player only getting 120-170 for the same win. If I attack a lower level than me (me 116 vs lvl 99) I only got 87 WD points.

Even bigger pay offs seem to come from successfully defending an opponents attack. We have one user who has won 12 lost 150 but has 2500 WD points.

[Corsair]

Yes it looks level based, we have a level 200 and level 125 with similar attack and the level 200 is getting a lot lower points off the same opponent. If they don;t change that any faction with many high level players is going to be burning gold at a much higher rate....oh...I get it now...

[JMC]

Nope ... Definitely a glitch. No double points for some.

I guess you completely misunderstood my post. I made exactly that point and said some are even getting half points. Presumably the higher levels are getting ridiculously low amount of points per hit. I was suggesting another reason for why his lower level non-gold players may seem to be getting more on top of the fact that the lower levels are getting more just for being lower.

[Baraka]

Yes it looks level based, we have a level 200 and level 125 with similar attack and the level 200 is getting a lot lower points off the same opponent. If they don;t change that any faction with many high level players is going to be burning gold at a much higher rate....oh...I get it now...lol just another Money spinner

[CplJC]

The wall is down. Our higher stat players are getting 95-145 points per win. Our 65-90k non-gold guys are getting 220-300 per win. Any explanation? Anyone see this? We have guys with half the wins on the same player with twice the points!
The points are ridicolous dude! They nerfed everything down!

[mikejmc]

High level players attacking low level players are getting less points. Low level attacking high level are getting more points. If you fight with someone around your level, you should get the same amount of points like last event.

[General Nu]

I'm not sure that the whole fighting a players with an equal level is what's going on. I'm after fighting lots of different levels and I'm getting constant 70's. Last WD I scored 200's. Also if this is what's going on it's not very fair to high level players. Factions are matched according to the group. I have a few 150 level plus players but we are not seeing many comparable players. It's like we are being punished for all our hard work.

[stuartb]

I'm not sure that the whole fighting a players with an equal level is what's going on. I'm after fighting lots of different levels and I'm getting constant 70's. Last WD I scored 200's. Also if this is what's going on it's not very fair to high level players. Factions are matched according to the group. I have a few 150 level plus players but we are not seeing many comparable players. It's like we are being punished for all our hard work.

During Brazil, the WD points worked just like Experience Points -- did not matter who you hit, you got the same average WD points but there was a random element that spurred it up or down from the average. This time around, the WD points are working just like the Battle Points -- you get more for hitting someone that can hit back, you get fewer for beating up the little kids (again, plus or minus a random element).

I think that basing the WD on the BP formula is a better approach than basing WD on the Exp Points, but I can see both ways as being valid.

What I can't see is why GREE keeps changing the formula without telling anyone. It is like owning a junkyard dog -- you never know when it is going to turn around and bite you.

If the good folks at GREE are trying to be mysterious, it is working. It is a freaking mystery why any of us continually put up with this nonsense, me included.

Bah - Bah - Bah ...... the sheeple have spoken

[nic4msu]

The mystery to me is why they would purposely set themselves up to be inundated with tens of thousands of tickets unnecessarily about this when all they had to do was announce that we would notice changes in the way the point system worked. Something that vague, yet simple, would have put us on notice that we weren't experiencing system-wide glitches requiring tickets and inspiring calls for boycotts, but that we instead needed to discover, learn & adapt to a new point system.

[Dutchie]

During Brazil, the WD points worked just like Experience Points -- did not matter who you hit, you got the same average WD points but there was a random element that spurred it up or down from the average. This time around, the WD points are working just like the Battle Points -- you get more for hitting someone that can hit back, you get fewer for beating up the little kids (again, plus or minus a random element).I think that basing the WD on the BP formula is a better approach than basing WD on the Exp Points, but I can see both ways as being valid.What I can't see is why GREE keeps changing the formula without telling anyone. It is like owning a junkyard dog -- you never know when it is going to turn around and bite you. If the good folks at GREE are trying to be mysterious, it is working. It is a freaking mystery why any of us continually put up with this nonsense, me included. Bah - Bah - Bah ...... the sheeple have spokenWell written!

[ohgreatitsryan]

I wish these were the threads CJ would respond to, rather than the BS thread about another 'gift' from gree not working how it's supposed to.

[No NWO]

if you get paired up with a hacker faction you face one player so strong that noone can compete and a lot of very weak low level players. Winning against those low level players give you less WP points than hitting the wall or the command centre (i m lev 200)....O my ****

[FisK]

It looks like they have change the formula for WD points after BfB
Attacking higher level players gives you more WD points when attacking lower level players

I like this change.

It makes it worth it to attack other when the weakest player in the faction.
I think it is an attempt to even out the number of attacks on players in a faction.
Every one was only attacking the weakest player in BfB with resulting in on player in each faction that toke like 8K+ hits while the rest of the faction hit less when a 1000 times.

But I think it would be a lot better if it was based on player strength instead of player level (We can't even see the player level before attacking)

[Jacko99]

You're correct Fisk, I'm getting a lot less points now. You have to attack high level players. Give the weaker lower levels / players more of a chance. Someone in my team was getting double the WD points hitting the same person I was. I think this is by design and not a glitch, if its a glitch it's a clever one... Of course we should have all been informed as need to change strategy, or perhaps that's part of the WD events, change every month and we have to figure out a new strategy! Like real war I guess. Anyway, I'd be very surprised if this is a glitch, which makes me wonder why CJ is responding the way he is.

[Dutchie]

You're correct Fisk, I'm getting a lot less points now. You have to attack high level players. Give the weaker lower levels / players more of a chance. Someone in my team was getting double the WD points hitting the same person I was. I think this is by design and not a glitch, if its a glitch it's a clever one... Of course we should have all been informed as need to change strategy, or perhaps that's part of the WD events, change every month and we have to figure out a new strategy! Like real war I guess. Anyway, I'd be very surprised if this is a glitch, which makes me wonder why CJ is responding the way he is.

I think it is a great change and it prevents faction members picking on just the weak guys. Well done CJ on this change!

[SevenO9]

Lots of people asked for this change and overall I welcome it. There might be some tweaks required but keep in mind that Gree needs several iterations of this event to fine tune it. Giving points based on rival strength is better than the flat / random allocation we had in BfB, so yes, well done.

[JMC]

The low levels are enjoying it but it is a load of crap for us that are level 200. I have only earned more than 100 WD points from an attack with the wall down and this has only happened once or twice. Right now my attacks are next to useless. I barely earn more than attacking the forts, so i might as well do that. All i can hope for is to get attacked and successfully defend to contribute any real amount of points to the team.

It's the equivalent of how us level 200s can barely make it past boss 6 in the boss events while the low level players can get into the 20s before needing gold. We gain no advantages from level 100-200. They need to give something to the high level players rather than taking everything away from us. What is the point of leveling for all negative effects?

[Durt McGurt]

This is rather frustrating, scoring 100 points with the wall down. Really encourages me to spend gold for 100 points :(


The low levels are enjoying it but it is a load of crap for us that are level 200. I have only earned more than 100 WD points from an attack with the wall down and this has only happened once or twice. Right now my attacks are next to useless. I barely earn more than attacking the forts, so i might as well do that. All i can hope for is to get attacked and successfully defend to contribute any real amount of points to the team.

It's the equivalent of how us level 200s can barely make it past boss 6 in the boss events while the low level players can get into the 20s before needing gold. We gain no advantages from level 100-200. They need to give something to the high level players rather than taking everything away from us. What is the point of leveling for all negative effects?

[gero]

Just like the boss events, high level players will not succeed, except by spending gold.

[procsyzarc]

It would be fine if it was based on strength but its not it is on level which is not an indication of strength in fact generally higher level players are weaker since they don't have easy boss events

[SevenO9]

It would be fine if it was based on strength but its not it is on level which is not an indication of strength in fact generally higher level players are weaker since they don't have easy boss events

Agreed, thats why I said it needs tweaking, but the general idea is good. Especially attacking ways down (stats wise, not level wise) should give some penalty.

[general_J]

I do not get why my lower lvl player point are more than my high lvl player. My 200lvl is avg 205. My 100lvl player is avg 289. I have gotten 448 with my 100 lvl player.

I need to stop playing my higher and just play my lower level

[Hertz]

For the answer to your questions:
http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?46123-CJ-can-you-find-out-if-intended-or-not&p=601632#post601632

[trickpat16]

I don't mind a change in logic, but this should have been communicated at least a few days before WD. We have a player on our team with Level 186 and only 10k defense. Not surprisingly, the opponents have figured this out and this person has about 400 losses so far. I would have definitely dropped him if I knew that the points were based on levels.

This communication from GREE is bad.

[procsyzarc]

I don't mind a change in logic, but this should have been communicated at least a few days before WD. We have a player on our team with Level 186 and only 10k defense. Not surprisingly, the opponents have figured this out and this person has about 400 losses so far. I would have definitely dropped him if I knew that the points were based on levels.

This communication from GREE is bad.

This is the problem this change has made high levels a burden. I have been attacked over 5000 times already, will probably be 10k by the end. I have 2 TR's left then I would have lost every loot item I had in two days as well as over 150k of valour units. No way to make that loss up before next wd

[spectra]

The answer to your question is simple

BIG SPENDER ARE AT LEVEL 200

so for PUN and FERR to make 20 million WDs, they now have had spent twice as much gold as they did during BfB

that is ALL GREEd CARES about

taking as much money from players as they can possible do..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!