Just spent over 2450 gold on the last present

[kykboxr]

Did not get it...

Amazing!

[Tissues]

Can you remember your progress?
Also how many opens/resets?

[TRAZ]

It happens unfortunately.

[Zeman]

That suxs man, make a ticket and ask/complain about it. Who knows, cause spending so much gold Gree should give u 4 or 5 of them. But serious make a ticket and complain!!

[Abe Froman]

2450 gold, huh?

Damn brah, that's 163 bucks (non-sale price). Next time, give me 80 bucks, I'll kick you in the nuts, and we'll call it a day.

Win/Win!!

[kykboxr]

I had nine and was approaching the 3 pm time. All opens happened with 3-4' of each other and were using the 15G per open in addition to the 15G resets.

[sister morphine]

That's gacha for you. Know the enemy

[kykboxr]

Ticket was submitted, and it's a shame that spending so much gold resulted in nothing but 25K and a few eu batons and a 9/9 bike. Really disappointing.

[Sandukan]

Ticket probably won't help. They will tell you they are sorry for your bad luck.
Good luck though.

[Tissues]

I think with constant resets and opens is where you lost out on end prize.
Think of it like a one day sale in top designer store, everyone goes on a panic buy,
but they only end up with stuff they never wanted..

My mate went casino this pre-christmas weekend with a pocket full of chips,
His still trying to get the smell of vinegar out of his trousers..

[Hero of Time]

I spent 0 gold to get the 8 presents I got.

[Steve0]

Did not get it...

Amazing!Oh the good old days. I miss them a lot. Where this forum with this type of problem happened all the time. Many now know you spend on first day to get item or go for free and hope you win. I got 1 item with 15 gold, 1 spent 120 and got item on a cash open in OT, 1 for free. Anything is possible with a gotcha event.

[Tomatoneverdie]

Did not get it...

Amazing!

Guess I am not the only unfortunate idiot, lol, but I stopped at 900....

[NFI]

Sending a ticket in wont do anything. I went through a similar scenario a few events back, sent a ticket, complained, accused them of fraud (which is what it is) and got NO response.

This event 9/10. The first 8 where all cash opens in the first thirty hours of event, after that, I spent 790 odd gold and only got 1 present. We can't blame anyone other than ourselves, we know its red hot and we still touch it!

Said it before, I'll say it again. I'd love to see the hardcore cc players walk away from this game, that's the only way to get gree to understand! However if revenue continues to drop for greed across all their platforms don't be surprised to see this game dissapear!

[SoccerStud]

Would it be inappropriate if I said you got scrooged?

[Tomatoneverdie]

That's gacha for you. Know the enemy

Gree certainly got me, well, live and learn....

[Mr. Vain]

Well, sucks for you spending that amount of gold, but it certainly makes me feel better getting to 9 boxes just using the middle option. But I must say I was hoping for more, since I already was on 9 with 3 days to go!

[Joeycool]

I feel your pain mate... Its happened to me before too.

Whats even more frustrating is when you see people have got it for free, with just in game cash opens.

[Tomatoneverdie]

I feel your pain mate... Its happened to me before too.

Whats even more frustrating is when you see people have got it for free, with just in game cash opens.

Thank you for reminding me that, now let me go kick myself in the nuts really quick....

Ps. I was expecting a funny gif from you, something involves someone getting his nuts kicked....

[Joeycool]

Ps. I was expecting a funny gif from you, something involves someone getting his nuts kicked....

Gifs are soooooo last season darling!!

But okay... this one is for you.

Kykboxr...

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/superman-dive.gif

... at least you tried. :cool:

[DenZ1]

I'm still on 8. But I know way better not to touch it with gold. It can cost ya anywhere from 300 to 5000 gold to get it. So unless you are ready to spend it like Trev did, fogetaboutit... :)
Been said million time over on this forum.. ;)

[mihunter62]

fyi,
Japan is seriously looking into this type of gaming, but U.S. doesn't seem to be doing as much. The issue is there are 3 types of Games: Pure Skill (i.e Chess), Pure Luck (ie. Roulette) and a combination of both Luck/Skill(Black Jack). I think I have these examples correct, trying to recall what our Attorney said last week. In the U.S. there are Federal Laws, but the more interesting thing is the State Laws, which are more restrictive.
What he said is that these games are very on the edge, but what they don't understand, is that with enough complaints they will modify the laws to make it very difficult on them. If they just made the customers happy with giving them the stupid gift/item, they probably would not have the level of complaints.
The biggest issue he is looking at is the ability to change the odds, where the casinos and other gambling environments have fixed odds, as in a slot machine, they may be very low, but they don't change randomly without any statement to the case, as in almost everyone here has found that you get a much higher percent of items the first day.
Apple was sued over in-game purchases, but it was for not requiring the re-entry of the password for kids purchases.
We should keep in mind that Gree and others don't seem to be regulated, so they can change almost anything any time, but my guess is their short term greed, will cost them long term. When Japan announced looking into them and their competitor.
Here is a small quote:

GREE didn’t provide much more than a brief statement yesterday acknowledging the redundancies, and we had been hearing from sources that there were more than 30 layoffs [Update: the company has confirmed that the number is 25]. This follows a poor quarter in which profit actually declined by more than 25 percent quarter-over-quarter. They face a regulatory crackdown from the Japanese government on certain kinds of game mechanics and increased expenses from the effort to expand abroad. Although the company is one of Japan’s most notable startup success stories from the last decade, it faces a market that’s becoming more saturated back home.
Full article: http://techcrunch.com/2012/12/07/gree-layoffs-2/

Too bad, they just don't listen to their customers, make money and let all of us still have fun. Wouldn't it be much easier to give everyone their 10th present, than to just piss off everyone. If I knew the last day that I had to play 24 time and I had a 90% chance of getting the final box, I'd be happy to spend the gold, but not with the rip off odds gree has presented.

[Polarbear]

Hope for the ticket...

I got half the gold back once, but that was also under particular circumstances.

[Tomatoneverdie]

Gifs are soooooo last season darling!!

But okay... this one is for you.

Kykboxr...

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/superman-dive.gif

... at least you tried. :cool:

Hahaha, yeah that helps me getting over it...

@ DenZ1, I know it's been said over and over, but still want to experience it myself, so got no one but myself to blame....damn that #9 I got this morning, wouldn't even bother with the overtime if I have 8....

[NFI]

@mihunter62, it all still comes down to corporate ethics or lack of, extreme greed to justify snr management salary and finally apathy by the consumer. If we the people stop playing start complaining by non compliance things can be different. As for casinos, that's the biggest fix, slot machines of what I know off in Australia, they are programable, meaning you can set those suckers to pay max or pay nada. It benefits governments through gaming tax that they pay nada, so the consumer can maintain sucker status while maintaining perpetual debt. Non compliance I say, who's with me?

[DragCro]

I got to open 9 boxes & when i wanted to open the 10 i run out of time,so for me this event it wasnt lucky.
I played day & late at night, it's not fer that is such hard to win that ten box & present :/

[Mikecore]

I believe that the worst event was the emerald event which gave the free bank option!

I have never spent any gold since then for the events...

P.s. Finished with 9....

[DragCro]

Do someone know witch event is next & when it starts?

[Ballerado]

I'm still on 8. But I know way better not to touch it with gold. It can cost ya anywhere from 300 to 5000 gold to get it. So unless you are ready to spend it like Trev did, fogetaboutit... :)
Been said million time over on this forum.. ;)I slipped up and opened one with gold yesterday and was kicking myself because I have read about what happens when you use gold. I spent some today right before the time was up with no luck but just got my 10th present about 5 hours into OT. (Seriously it is worth it to go into OT) It does seem strange but I don't think they really need to mess with anything to make money. My friend has gotten the last 2 collect 10 for free and doesn't spend money very often. I do think there are patterns in the program that you can get stuck in that mess up the odds but I don't think they do it on purpose. I read once that casinos have more to risk by cheating than by just running legit with the odds slightly in their favor. I feel like that is probably true here as well, before you take into account the market saturation. Bottom line, they make their livings creating a form of entertainment that taps in to our emotions. With out the opportunity to fail, the times when we beat the odds and succeed would be less exciting. It just always feels so dirty when bad luck screws over hard work and good intentions.

[GQNammmer]

I got 10 presents with all money option. First time for me after all of these events

[Derek Shane]

Submit a trouble ticket. They will give you the sleigh or a few of them im sure, but it will take them 3 weeks to reply to you. Gree customer support is one of the worse you will ever experience.

[Gambit12]

Did not get it...

Amazing!


2450 is nothing compare to MW. We have someone there spent 3,500 gold & didn't get the 10th prize. I don't think anyone here beat that worst record in collect 10 event...

[Lawyer]

Got 10 all cash opens

[NTM]

that sucks yeah... on camper account lvl 74 i got for 0 gold and in 2 day's.. left 3 day's at 10/10....

on main i got 9/10 for free $ options, and use 100 gold for the last present.... that christmas ok but this game is realy strange.... my camper have more luck than my main who i spend many gold... strange ? not sure...

[mattcope]

I had nine and was approaching the 3 pm time. All opens happened with 3-4' of each other and were using the 15G per open in addition to the 15G resets.

I had 9 with like 3 days left and in like 60 couldn't get the last present I was pissed best believe I sent a ticket. but I didn't use.gold tho cause I still had so much time I just kept getting the same items As you with money too I couldn't believe it

[mxz]

I had 9 with like 3 days left and in like 60 couldn't get the last present I was pissed best believe I sent a ticket. but I didn't use.gold tho cause I still had so much time I just kept getting the same items As you with money too I couldn't believe itAnother entitled person who sends in useless tickets because their free playing ways didn't work out for them. Thanks for trolling.

[Abe Froman]

I had 9 with like 3 days left and in like 60 couldn't get the last present I was pissed best believe I sent a ticket. but I didn't use.gold tho cause I still had so much time I just kept getting the same items As you with money too I couldn't believe it

http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag96/qwerty9702/AC33B040-A993-4C59-8658-5F88D751476C-2838-0000049F85BEFF53_zps3bd132c1.jpg

Waaaaahhhh, Boo Hoo. I didnt get my free pixelated prize. Baby wants his mommy. Wahhhhhh!

I think it's time for you to sack up Sally, life is full of disappointment.

[mattcope]

http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag96/qwerty9702/AC33B040-A993-4C59-8658-5F88D751476C-2838-0000049F85BEFF53_zps3bd132c1.jpg

Waaaaahhhh, Boo Hoo. I didnt get my free pixelated prize. Baby wants his mommy. Wahhhhhh!

I think it's time for you to sack up Sally, life is full of disappointment.

I invested 100 bucks this month alone I just didn't use gold for the event because I figured in 60 trys I would have got one at least.

[mattcope]

Another entitled person who sends in useless tickets because their free playing ways didn't work out for them. Thanks for trolling.

I don't play for free by the way I invested quite a bit in the past 6 months. So why do you act like a arrogant know it all when obviously you don't know ****. That goes for you.too Abe.froman

[Nicky the Nose]

While I feel for anyone who spent real money and didn't get the item, think how fun the game would be if everyone got every item every time. Sometimes your the bug, sometimes the windshield

[Polarbear]

I don't play for free by the way I invested quite a bit in the past 6 months. So why do you act like a arrogant know it all when obviously you don't know ****. That goes for you.too Abe.froman

You sent in a ticket out of frustration, not because the game is broken. Everyone has the same odds as you and there are many others that don't get the prize and just deal with it...

Even with 60 opens, there is still a 30% chance you will NOT get the last prize (assuming 2% prize rate), couple this with the fact you did not use gold opens, the fact remains that you did not open enough to justify any complaints.

That's the problem people have with your previous comment.

[Polarbear]

If you want to save yourself from disappointment,

To guarantee a 90% chance that you will get from 9 to 10, you will need expect to successfully open up to 115 boxes. So if you really want the last prize, be prepared to fork out about 3000 gold.

Edit: Though I do feel sorry for OP, who missed out even with the greater chance.

[mattcope]

You sent in a ticket out of frustration, not because the game is broken. Everyone has the same odds as you and there are many others that don't get the prize and just deal with it...

Even with 60 opens, there is still a 30% chance you will NOT get the last prize (assuming 2% prize rate), couple this with the fact you did not use gold opens, the fact remains that you did not open enough to justify any complaints.

That's the problem people have with your previous comment.

actually I sent in a ticket because I haven't got the PvP loot.item and while I was at it I inquired about.the odds of the last present and stated that it was bull**** which it is and you can't even disagree the thing I don't like is that It hs random odds of getting a present when it should be fixed odds like 30% etc.

[mattcope]

If you want to save yourself from disappointment,

To guarantee a 90% chance that you will get from 9 to 10, you will need expect to successfully open up to 115 boxes. So if you really want the last prize, be prepared to fork out about 3000 gold.

Edit: Though I do feel sorry for OP, who missed out even with the greater chance.

I find by past experiance that when you use gold it does guarantee that open but I sure As hell don't give you 90% chance of getting the item I found found that I mostly got cheap items and cash rewards I got most items with cash that is for sure so I want to know the what the odds are thruout the while competition

[Polarbear]

They are not random...

It is stated in event instructions that prize drops will decrease progressively. The last prize from what I remember has always been 2%. You use gold, STILL 2%. I'm sure the other values are posted elsewhere, but 1-9 is relatively easy to achieve anyway.

Reread again, 90% is simply based off binomial prob of 115 successful opens.

PVP Christmas prize? I don't think anyone has, so DON'T WORRY the game is not cheating you.

[mattcope]

They are not random...

It is stated in event instructions that prize drops will decrease progressively. The last prize from what I remember has always been 2%. You use gold, STILL 2%. I'm sure the other values are posted elsewhere, but 1-9 is relatively easy to achieve anyway.

Reread again, 90% is simply based off binomial prob of 115 successful opens.

PVP Christmas prize? I don't think anyone has, so DON'T WORRY the game is not cheating you.

Yes I know that now I put in the ticket before I joines the forums and started reading it thank you tho

[Ramshutu]

Its, like a casino, but without any mandatory legal requirement to publish the odds, do they don't.

There is a big disparity between how likely we beleive the tenth item should be, and how likely it actually is. I have been stating for a long time on many occasions about ways to improve this, and to be honest, the invasion event is actually pretty good for telling you exactly how much money you have to put in to win the prize.

[Tomatoneverdie]

Pardon my ignorance about the Invasion event. Does each gold attack guarantee a kill?

[kykboxr]

Gold attacks are worth four times the money option.

[Ramshutu]

Pardon my ignorance about the Invasion event. Does each gold attack guarantee a kill?

In the invasion event gold spent guarantees the item. Kyk, i think your thinking about the boss vents which are also good I can tell exactly how much gold i need to spend to beat the boss.

[mxz]

Didn't PawnXIIX publish the odds not too long ago?

Here's what happens when you go to open a box:
The server generates a random # as to whether you open a box or not. There are some odds that it will open, depending on your open type. Maybe 10% / 25% / 100%. The server will send the result to the client (successful/BLNT).
If you successfully opened, another random # is generated and sent to the client.
The client takes the random # and matches it against it's knowledge of how that specific event should work based upon the number of presents you already have. The odds change based on your # of presents (which is why it's done on the client and not the server), and sometimes on the event. So if you had 0 presents, the odds of a successful open resulting in a present are very high (99.3% if I remember correctly); but if you had 9 presents the odds are very low (2%, like PB stated).

So your odds on any given open were probably around 25% * 2% = 0.5%
Even opening 60 boxes you could only expect to get #10 three out of every ten events, all things equal.


Anyway, if you want to guarantee #10 look up the McDoc Method. It isn't free, but you may be able to use the mechanics of it to make it free.

[Mikecore]

Didn't PawnXIIX publish the odds not too long ago?

Here's what happens when you go to open a box:
The server generates a random # as to whether you open a box or not. There are some odds that it will open, depending on your open type. Maybe 10% / 25% / 100%. The server will send the result to the client (successful/BLNT).
If you successfully opened, another random # is generated and sent to the client.
The client takes the random # and matches it against it's knowledge of how that specific event should work based upon the number of presents you already have. The odds change based on your # of presents (which is why it's done on the client and not the server), and sometimes on the event. So if you had 0 presents, the odds of a successful open resulting in a present are very high (99.3% if I remember correctly); but if you had 9 presents the odds are very low (2%, like PB stated).

So your odds on any given open were probably around 25% * 2% = 0.5%
Even opening 60 boxes you could only expect to get #10 three out of every ten events, all things equal.


Anyway, if you want to guarantee #10 look up the McDoc Method. It isn't free, but you may be able to use the mechanics of it to make it free.

Simple maths vs "luck"... Nice post!...sticky this one! Game is so adaptable to your playing style so as to make you spend more and more!