Valor Question

[ricemstcr]

I'm fast approaching the 390,000 battle point mark which completes the captain rank and unlocks the chopper unit that costs 600 valor. ive been saving my valor and with the rank completion bonus ill have around 20,000 valor to spend.
I used to get super hornets but have been saving up. ive still got 38 super hornets, and really no other valor units at all.
My question is, whats the best valor purchase for me at this point ( after completing the captain rank and then having 20,000 valor on hand) - do i still stock up on super hornets or get some expert attack drones, or the chopper, or....?

[Gambit12]

I'm fast approaching the 390,000 battle point mark which completes the captain rank and unlocks the chopper unit that costs 600 valor. ive been saving my valor and with the rank completion bonus ill have around 20,000 valor to spend.
I used to get super hornets but have been saving up. ive still got 38 super hornets, and really no other valor units at all.
My question is, whats the best valor purchase for me at this point ( after completing the captain rank and then having 20,000 valor on hand) - do i still stock up on super hornets or get some expert attack drones, or the chopper, or....?


depends on your flag...

[Ryans67]

After going through it, I would save up until I got the valor boats...

[ricemstcr]

im U.S. - have thought about switching to Russia or UK but havent yet.
Ive been doing some numbers, crazy results but how useful is this breakdown?
Unit name/how many i get for 25k valor/ total attack/ total defense

Jungle Stalker 1000 4000 5000
Strike Eagle 166.6 3166.6 1833.3
Avenger 250 3000 2500
Seahawk Helicopter 500 3000 4000
Combat Boat 333.3 3000 3333.3
Stealth Frigate 90.9 2818.1 1636.3
GIGN 125 2750 2375
Super Hornet 71.4 2571.4 1857.1
Expert Attack Drone 50 2300 1500
Hardened Marine 62.5 1937.5 2187.5

That reads as "Spending all valor on jungle stalkers will get you more attack and defense overall"
-although I dont want it to read like that. what am i doing wrong? whats the downside to having an army of jungle stalkers like this?

[Thief]

The downside is you can only bring so many Units to battle and you have to Balance Cash Units with Valor Units
Units Stats (Subtracted from the Highest Cash Unit you have Available or are Willing to Buy)
Or The Value of the Unit Goes up Exponentially as the Attack/Defense Go up.
The other Thing to consider are Casulty Rates

Meatshields: Commandos 14/9 $85,000 and Military Ambulances 2/18 $84,000 can make up the Meatshields of your Army. (Note you can use a higher unit but this is for demonstration) Also assumes all boost Buildings are the same.

Jungle Stalker 4/5 @ 25 Valor = Nothing. Waste of 25k Valor.
Strike Eagle 19/11 @ 150 Valor= +1 Attack +0 Defense = 1,667 Attack Points to your Stats
Avenger 12/10 @ 100 Valor = Nothing
Seahawk Helicopter 6/8 @ 50 Valor = Nothing
Combat Boat 9/10 @ 75 Valor = Nothing
Stealth Frigate 31/18 @ 275 Valor =17 Attack and 0 Defense X 90= 1,530
GIGN 22/19 @ 200 Valor = 8 Attack and 1 Defense @ 125 = 1,000/125
Super Hornet 36/26 @ 350= 22 Attack and 8 Defense @71 =1,562/568
Expert Attack Drone 46/30 @ 500? = 32 Attack and 12 Defense @ 50 =1600/600
Hardened Marine 31/25 @ 400 Valor=17 Attack and 7 Defense X 62= 1054/434

[ricemstcr]

Thanks for the lowdown Thief!
Would you suggest I dump all my valor at once and get all expert drones or elite choppers? or spread it around over time? i raid constantly, and now all my cash is going to my faction

[Procyon]

Thief's line of thinking is right on target, IMO. A slew of Jungle Stalkers won't do you much or any good. Although on average most valor units are going to boost your Attack more than Defense you also need to think about if you want lopsided A or D units to help where your stats might be lacking, or something balanced (Stealth Frigate v M270 v Hardened Marine).

Also don't dismiss the Strong Against stats and as Thief mentions, the casualty rates.

IMO I wouldn't go 100% into any one thing. At least go 80/20 or 70/30. It all depends on your specifcs. Also, I'm not advocating spending gold but going to Russia or the UK makes a big difference.

[Товарищ]

http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?40885
Check out the first spreadsheet with the tabs "Strongest Cash and Valor Attack Units" and "Strongest Cash and Valor Defense Units".
Look especially for "consumption rate" which (I believe) is the probability that the unit dies each "use".
In your case I'd save the valor unless it's urgently needed.
HM & EAD have 0.4% and die like flies to me when I have close to ten of them, even with infirmary5.


0.4% might not sound like much... but it's for each of those units separately.
The formula for losing NONE when having N units participate in M "uses" becomes: (0.996^N)^M
For example: to not lose any of 10 units after 1 battle is 96% - 10 battles is 67%.
That's 1/3 chance to lose at least one!

Experimental Soldier & Elite Siege Tank have 0.2% which makes the same example probabilities 98% and 82%.
The top valor unit Elite Ops Jet Fighter has 0.18%, giving 98% and 84%.

Now I had very conservative numbers in my examples, take something more realistic like 30 units and 50-100 battles, then tiny decreases in CR will have huge impact in units lost!
30 units 50 battles, % to lose none:
HM/EAD 0.24%
ES/EST 5%
EOJF 6.7%

What would really be useful to calculate is how fast the units eat up valor points per use. That is still to come...

And FYI, this is only my own unconfirmed theory on how the casualty system works.

[aether100]

im of the opinion since you can only bring a limited number to battle at one time and if you are planning on getting a higher rank get the highest stats piece available since the lower valor pieces will be useless in the future .

[ricemstcr]

i got 30 elite ops helicopters and 10 ead's - now down to ~5k valor and going to save it

[Lou Sir]

The downside is you can only bring so many Units to battle and you have to Balance Cash Units with Valor Units
Units Stats (Subtracted from the Highest Cash Unit you have Available or are Willing to Buy)
Or The Value of the Unit Goes up Exponentially as the Attack/Defense Go up.
The other Thing to consider are Casulty Rates

Meatshields: Commandos 14/9 $85,000 and Military Ambulances 2/18 $84,000 can make up the Meatshields of your Army. (Note you can use a higher unit but this is for demonstration) Also assumes all boost Buildings are the same.

Jungle Stalker 4/5 @ 25 Valor = Nothing. Waste of 25k Valor.
Strike Eagle 19/11 @ 150 Valor= +1 Attack +0 Defense = 1,667 Attack Points to your Stats
Avenger 12/10 @ 100 Valor = Nothing
Seahawk Helicopter 6/8 @ 50 Valor = Nothing
Combat Boat 9/10 @ 75 Valor = Nothing
Stealth Frigate 31/18 @ 275 Valor =17 Attack and 0 Defense X 90= 1,530
GIGN 22/19 @ 200 Valor = 8 Attack and 1 Defense @ 125 = 1,000/125
Super Hornet 36/26 @ 350= 22 Attack and 8 Defense @71 =1,562/568
Expert Attack Drone 46/30 @ 500? = 32 Attack and 12 Defense @ 50 =1600/600
Hardened Marine 31/25 @ 400 Valor=17 Attack and 7 Defense X 62= 1054/434

Would you please break it down how you get the (I.E) 17 Attack and 0 Defense when Stealth Frigate show 31/18 ? Sorry Im just play for 2 months and try to learn.

[Thief]

i got 30 elite ops helicopters and 10 ead's - now down to ~5k valor and going to save it

Pretty Good Choice! Definately a good Purchase (now hopefully you don't loose them) You could probably make your army 5% Super Hornets without worrying about losses if you haven't already. I like them as they are relatively cheap and add a good amount to your attack. (compare them to anything else and it costs millions...and they die much slower than the other two) Something to Consider because i assume you will still earn alot of valor in the process.


Would you please break it down how you get the (I.E) 17 Attack and 0 Defense when Stealth Frigate show 31/18 ? Sorry Im just play for 2 months and try to learn.

Please Note i was simply using an example of Cash (which is unlimited and only constraint is time) Units to help show the Value of the Different Units. Seeing as both of those Units are Very Cheap to buy with Cash i felt almost any player could relate. Remember you can only bring a limited number of units to battle (based on level X Ally (max 5 per lvl) for a total army size of 2,000 at lvl 100 (20 less for each level lower than 100) If a player has been playing for longer and has an IPH of 600k+ i would probably reccomend using the comparison of B-52 W 30 Attack and SSD W/ 30 Defense. Thus making the comparison much more favorable for the higher stat units.