Secret formula to get the rare unit in the boss event

[jeffrey]

Okay, people, I am really happy to get all the commons so far in this boss event. :o

I notice quiet a few of you have better luck or better tactics at getting the rares, so what is your secret. This game is based on some kind of mathematical formulas that Funzio uses, so when the rare lands:

1)What type of attack do you last use to kill the boss, gold, cash, free hand?
2)How much energy do you have left?
3)How much time left before the boss can escape when you kill him?
4)...others?

[Dr. Dengus]

Or you can download Toolkit for Modern War in the app store, use the sync function, go to epic boss loot, and view all the percentages yourself. Either way.

[Thief]

11/12 Commons for me so clearly the wrong person to ask

Hate to see it but im pretty sure its just statistics. Level 1-10 have a 3%? chance of getting a rare 6% chance of getting Uncommon

Level 11-15 Better Odds
Level 16-20 Better Odds
Level 21-30 Good Odds
Level 31-35 Great Odds.

Edit: i still can't get the toolkit function to work.

[Dr. Dengus]

According to the game files, lvl 1 has 3% chance for a rare to drop, lvl 2 boss has a 6% chance, lvl 3 9% etc. all the way to lvl 10 with a 30%. Then the percentages appear to be static from 10 and up (common - 27.25%, uncommon - 42.75%, rare - 30%). I assume they're static from 10+ because Khimsoo's app doesn't go beyond 10 boss kills.

[jeffrey]

Hey Dr. So what you are saying is that it is purely random.

[jeffrey]

According to the game files, lvl 1 has 1% chance for a rare to drop, lvl 2 boss has a 2% chance, lvl 3 3% etc. all the way to lvl 10 with a 10%. Then the percentages appear to be static from 10 and up (common - 27.25%, uncommon - 42.75%, rare - 10%). I say they're static from 10+ because Khimsoo's app doesn't go beyond 10 boss kills.



That percentage only add up to 70%, what is the other 30%?

[Dr. Dengus]

Oh yeah whoops, typo, it lists each rare as 10%, so 30% total.

[jeffrey]

11/12 Commons for me so clearly the wrong person to ask

Hate to see it but im pretty sure its just statistics. Level 1-10 have a 3%? chance of getting a rare 6% chance of getting Uncommon

Level 11-15 Better Odds
Level 16-20 Better Odds
Level 21-30 Good Odds
Level 31-35 Great Odds.

Edit: i still can't get the toolkit function to work.


Hey dude, thanks, do you have the odd stats for higher level like 40 to 50?

[jeffrey]

Oh yeah whoops, typo, it lists each rare as 10% each, so 30% total.


30% for the rare, that is extremely good, I would be ecstatic if I get that odd, mine is more like 5% for all the boss events so far.

Okay, 7 bosses killed so far, 6 commons (4 infantries, 1 boat, 1 aircraft) and 1 uncommon (infantry)

[Dr. Dengus]

It seems the percentages are the same no matter what level you are, it's just the units changing from tier to tier.

Tier 1: Lvls 1-25
Tier 2: 26-50
Tier 3: 51-75
Tier 4: 76 - 100
Tier 5: 101 - 150
Tier 6: 150 - 200


30% for the rare, that is extremely good, I would be ecstatic if I get that odd, mine is more like 5% for all the boss events so far.

So for boss #8 you'd have a 24% chance at getting a rare.

Okay, 7 bosses killed so far, 6 commons (4 infantries, 1 boat, 1 aircraft) and 1 uncommon (infantry)

That's once you reach 10 boss kills though according to the app. But I agree, it does seem a little high.

[jeffrey]

It seems the percentages are the same no matter what level you are, it's just the attack/defense values that change from tier to tier.

Tier 1: 1-25
Tier 2: 26-50
Tier 3: 51-75
Tier 4: 76 - 100
Tier 5: 101 - 150
Tier 6: 150 - 200



That's once you reach 10 boss kills though according to the app. But I agree, it does seem a little high.


Hey Dr. what do you mean by tier or tier to tier?

[Dr. Dengus]

Just the level groupings that determine the loot you receive.

[Baraka]

It's just all completely random. The higher you get the more chance of getting a rare you have. Doesn't matter wether you use a free hit or a gold attack. I have no look either. Commons all the way lol

[jeffrey]

Just the level groupings that determine the loot you receive.


Thanks for the clarification. My ID is 879 645 987, I am not sure if I have added you last time.

[jeffrey]

It's just all completely random. The higher you get the more chance of getting a rare you have. Doesn't matter wether you use a free hit or a gold attack. I have no look either. Commons all the way lol


You meant the higher level the player, the better odd of getting the rare, right? Thanks.

[Baraka]

You meant the higher level the player, the better odd of getting the rare, right? Thanks.No there's same chance at all levels it's just the strength of boss is different.

[Miner]

According to the game files, lvl 1 has 3% chance for a rare to drop, lvl 2 boss has a 6% chance, lvl 3 9% etc. all the way to lvl 10 with a 30%. Then the percentages appear to be static from 10 and up (common - 27.25%, uncommon - 42.75%, rare - 30%). I assume they're static from 10+ because Khimsoo's app doesn't go beyond 10 boss kills.

The numbers in Khimsoo's app are in tiers. I believe it's about 3 bosses per "level". So #1 covers 1-3 or something like that.

[Tctiger]

is there a secret formula to active the boss as mine is playing up again or have they done that to make people level up and spend gold on energy ? i had the pop up i have it in my goals , i have completed two mission from my goals one of which is a boss , still no boss ? i am thinking this is deliberate as this does not happen in cc but everytime in mw there are problems and i know i'm not the only one .

[Baraka]

is there a secret formula to active the boss as mine is playing up again or have they done that to make people level up and spend gold on energy ? i had the pop up i have it in my goals , i have completed two mission from my goals one of which is a boss , still no boss ? i am thinking this is deliberate as this does not happen in cc but everytime in mw there are problems and i know i'm not the only one .i do the first mission. Attack the tank. Max 5 times and its activated. It's only 1XP a hit.

[Tctiger]

that done it thanks , strange how the higher missions wasn't activating the boss though .

[Baraka]

that done it thanks , strange how the higher missions wasn't activating the boss though .i know plus there's next to no XP gain. Bonus for campers like me lol.

[mickymacirl]

Ya use gold, but that's not secret!

[Thief]

Hey dude, thanks, do you have the odd stats for higher level like 40 to 50?

Very few people go past 35 as they already have the "Epic" Item Rewarded to them. Those were more of a joke as i don't have the actual numbers but following the tracking of people that go to 35 it seems to be fairly true.


It seems the percentages are the same no matter what level you are, it's just the units changing from tier to tier.

Tier 1: Lvls 1-25
Tier 2: 26-50
Tier 3: 51-75
Tier 4: 76 - 100
Tier 5: 101 - 150
Tier 6: 150 - 200



That's once you reach 10 boss kills though according to the app. But I agree, it does seem a little high.

Yea i disagree that Boss 10+ you have a 30% chance of a rare and Less than a 30% chance of a common?
So one thing i thought about is the App was developed for 30 bosses and every 1 level Represents 3 Levels of the Boss? 1=1-3 2=4=6 etc etc? Nothing to base it off of just trying to throw out ideas.

[Dr. Dengus]

Yeah that makes more sense, Thief and Miner. So according to that logic, boss #10 would only net you a 12% chance at a rare.

[albeezy]

don't feel bad jeffrey, I havent received a rare in the last three boss events and only 2 uncommons! You are not alone

[JohnDough]

don't feel bad jeffrey, I havent received a rare in the last three boss events and only 2 uncommons! You are not alone

I'm in the same boat. I have not received 1 rare this whole boss event, or the 1 in CC. However I did manage to get 2 uncommons in CC.

I was wondering if the chance of receiving a rare has anything to do with the last bosses outcome? Chief o malley from crime city I received 9 rares, and the illuminati one here I received 7.

Now I can't even get 1 uncommon.

[Bronson]

I heard a rumour from one of the devs that when your on the last hit of the boss you have to press the lower left corner of the cash attack button with your right nipple and you will get a rare every time.

[Miner]

I heard a rumour from one of the devs that when your on the last hit of the boss you have to press the lower left corner of the cash attack button with your right nipple and you will get a rare every time.

I've always used my left nipple. I tried a couple with my middle nipple, but that didn't work as well.

[Dr. Dengus]

I heard a rumour from one of the devs that when your on the last hit of the boss you have to press the lower left corner of the cash attack button with your right nipple and you will get a rare every time.

So not only do the boss events favor the lower levels, they also favor people with pointy nipples.

[Bronson]

I've always used my left nipple. I tried a couple with my middle nipple, but that didn't work as well.

I don't think it works if you have more than 2, ask your wife if you can use hers

[Miner]

I don't think it works if you have more than 2, ask your wife if you can use hersIf I can get her to agree, I'm going to petition Gree to increase the number of bosses you have to defeat to 100.

[dj maj]

this might be a little of topic but what determines the amount of damage dealt towards the bosses?

[jeffrey]

I heard a rumour from one of the devs that when your on the last hit of the boss you have to press the lower left corner of the cash attack button with your right nipple and you will get a rare every time.


I ask my wife to lick the button before I press, and the lady luck works like a charm, just receive 10 rares in a row! :p

[mxz]

Anyone know offhand which file the breakouts are in?

[mxz]

I ran a trace on the packet of a non-killing followed by a killing blow. Here's a portion of the final blow:

payloadtime_created '2012-09-20 19:45:21
time_updated '2012-09-20 20:40:49
version 5
reward exp money loot
loot.Loot *O
loot_group_id *
loot_type item
loot_id 2
quantity
loot_weight
tag Common
is_available

So, this would indicate that the server determines when you defeat it what you get. What information it uses is almost impossible to confirm. It could be completely or use some of the information in the client call to the server. Here's a small sample of information that is sent (this was sent for each hit, regardless of it it killed him or not):
invite_code, client_version, attack (my guess is this is either free/in game cash/gold, but can't really tell right now), username, is_spender, gold_spent, stat_fights_won, stat_fights_lost, bank_level, battle_points, skill_points.

Again, that's a small subset and there's really not much we can glean from this other than they're collecting all your stats. Almost none of this information changed between the two calls - the exceptions were what I'm guessing were sequence numbers and banked money (using an in-game cash hit).

[Dr. Dengus]

Interesting, thanks for taking the time to do that mxz. Curious to know what "is_spender" and "gold_spent" is exactly referring too ... Ie: total gold spent during entirety of game-play, or just gold spent during the current boss event. Probably doesn't really matter though, it just seems to insinuate that gold spenders receive different results than non-spenders.

[Beardy]

I ran a trace on the packet of a non-killing followed by a killing blow. Here's a portion of the final blow:

payloadtime_created '2012-09-20 19:45:21
time_updated '2012-09-20 20:40:49
version 5
reward exp money loot
loot.Loot *O
loot_group_id *
loot_type item
loot_id 2
quantity
loot_weight
tag Common
is_available

So, this would indicate that the server determines when you defeat it what you get. What information it uses is almost impossible to confirm. It could be completely or use some of the information in the client call to the server. Here's a small sample of information that is sent (this was sent for each hit, regardless of it it killed him or not):
invite_code, client_version, attack (my guess is this is either free/in game cash/gold, but can't really tell right now), username, is_spender, gold_spent, stat_fights_won, stat_fights_lost, bank_level, battle_points, skill_points.

Again, that's a small subset and there's really not much we can glean from this other than they're collecting all your stats. Almost none of this information changed between the two calls - the exceptions were what I'm guessing were sequence numbers and banked money (using an in-game cash hit).

'is_spender' Hmmmm.....

[cheiz]

Very interesting mxz! peculiar that they'd need such information to determine what you win. Doesn't seem very random to me

[mxz]

Very interesting mxz! peculiar that they'd need such information to determine what you win. Doesn't seem very random to meWell, careful there. Just because they're taking the information in doesn't mean they're using it. Although, it does seem suspicious.

[Mad]

Interesting, thanks for taking the time to do that mxz. Curious to know what "is_spender" and "gold_spent" is exactly referring too ... Ie: total gold spent during entirety of game-play, or just gold spent during the current boss event. Probably doesn't really matter though, it just seems to insinuate that gold spenders receive different results than non-spenders.

I think if you spend gold, they probably make it harder (fewer rares).

This is very much a gambling game and its an old casino trick. If you spend gold, they make it harder so you spend more gold to win the prize. It is funny how your mind plays games with you. You get a bunch of commons and you start thinking it owes you a rare. The odds do not change. But it is a form of gambling and it can be addicting.

If you don't spend gold, they have better rewards (rare units) enticing you to spend.

I have spent a bit of gold on this event via Tapjoy and I have seen my results drop dramatically. At the beginning I was getting tons of rares. I remember one event where I got seven or 8. It was ridiculous. So I started dropping gold.

Now in this event, I am almost at the same level as the time I collected 7 or 8 rares and all I have in one rare.

I think the key to get rares is don't get sucked in and spend gold.

[LeBarticus]

I've gotten 13 commons, at level 75... Bummer. Those rares are so enticing. I guess I should stop caring and maybe I'll get one.

[jeffrey]

[QUOTE=mxz;418842]I ran a trace on the packet of a non-killing followed by a killing blow. Here's a portion of the final blow:

payloadtime_created '2012-09-20 19:45:21
time_updated '2012-09-20 20:40:49
version 5
reward exp money loot
loot.Loot *O
loot_group_id *
loot_type item
loot_id 2
quantity
loot_weight
tag Common
is_available

So, this would indicate that the server determines when you defeat it what you get. What information it uses is almost impossible to confirm. It could be completely or use some of the information in the client call to the server. Here's a small sample of information that is sent (this was sent for each hit, regardless of it it killed him or not):
invite_code, client_version, attack (my guess is this is either free/in game cash/gold, but can't really tell right now), username, is_spender, gold_spent, stat_fights_won, stat_fights_lost, bank_level, battle_points, skill_points.

Again, that's a small subset and there's really not much we can glean from this other than they're collecting all your stats. Almost none of this information changed between the two calls - the exceptions were what I'm guessing were sequence numbers and banked money (using an in-game cash



Very valuable information to know, thanks a million!

[jeffrey]

I think if you spend gold, they probably make it harder (fewer rares).

This is very much a gambling game and its an old casino trick. If you spend gold, they make it harder so you spend more gold to win the prize. It is funny how your mind plays games with you. You get a bunch of commons and you start thinking it owes you a rare. The odds do not change. But it is a form of gambling and it can be addicting.

If you don't spend gold, they have better rewards (rare units) enticing you to spend.

I have spent a bit of gold on this event via Tapjoy and I have seen my results drop dramatically. At the beginning I was getting tons of rares. I remember one event where I got seven or 8. It was ridiculous. So I started dropping gold.

Now in this event, I am almost at the same level as the time I collected 7 or 8 rares and all I have in one rare.

I think the key to get rares is don't get sucked in and spend gold.


Actually I think the opposite is true, in the previous boss event, I had to use gold when the time was running out, I got the uncommon, then the next one was a rare.

Disclaimer: this is not to encourage you to use gold.

[Dr. Dengus]

I like when you're on the very last boss you'll be able to kill for free, and the game decides to give you a rare :D

[jeffrey]

I've gotten 13 commons, at level 75... Bummer. Those rares are so enticing. I guess I should stop caring and maybe I'll get one.


Yeah, I know, gree doesnt bring some low valued commons to battle anymore for me.

[jeffrey]

I like when you're on the very last boss you'll be able to kill for free, and the game decides to give you a rare :D


Keep dreaming, dr. As strong as my llp is, I can only kill 23 bosses without using any gold. This hlp account can manage to kill only 7, I am done for this event.

Btw, thanks for being my ally yesterday.

[Dr. Dengus]

Haha I'm serious, it's happened to me before. Is your in-game name Jeff?

[jeffrey]

Haha I'm serious, it's happened to me before. Is your in-game name Jeff?



My game name is jeffrey with the lower case 'j'. I am at level 111, I just met another Jeffrey at level 111 with the big 'J' who is about similar stats like 5K less than me. :p

[jeffrey]

Haha I'm serious, it's happened to me before. Is your in-game name Jeff?



My game name is jeffrey with the lower case 'j'. I am at level 111, I just met another Jeffrey at level 111 with the big 'J' who is about similar stats like 5K less than me. :p