How many indestructibles are present in your army?

[Zoltarov]

Since I updated KOD's excel tool with my unit numbers I was really surprised by the number of indestructibles in my army.
All the events from the past as well as purchases in gold have build quite a force?
I have now just over 1000 indestructables.
I am curious of the number of indestructables in other peoples armies.

Sorry for the type o in the poll header

[manbeast]

are you talking about units you actually take to battle? i think i may need Kod's spreadsheet for that..

[Zoltarov]

Yes i am using KOD's spreadsheet for units into battle, but also for straight numbers using the filters.
I want to know how many units you have that will never die if taken to battle.

Counting them from your inventory is not very easy.

[Zoltarov]

My indestructible units sorted by raw attack:


Type
Name
Nr


INFANTRY
Transoil Hitman
1


AIR
Illuminati Helicopter
1


GROUND
Hard Case Humvee
1


INFANTRY
Black Death Soldier
1


INFANTRY
Emplacement Gunner
1


SEA
First Strike Submarine
1


AIR
Super Hind
1


AIR
A1 Valkyrie
1


INFANTRY
Black Ops Assassin
1


SEA
Leviathan
1


SEA
Siege Helicopter
1


GROUND
Warlord Siege Tank
1


SEA
Mainland Marauder
1


SEA
General Command Ship
1


AIR
Dragon Viper
1


AIR
Fighting Falcon
1


AIR
Stealth Fighter
5


SEA
Heavy Carrier
1


AIR
T-50 X-Fighter
1


INFANTRY
Amphibious Infiltrator
1


SEA
Arctic Destroyer
1


INFANTRY
Storm Soldier
3


SEA
Trident Class Destroyer
3


AIR
Blackhawk Omega
6


GROUND
Omega Mobile SAM
3


AIR
Mirage IV
5


SEA
Vanguard Warship
5


SEA
Nuclear Supercarrier
1


INFANTRY
Future Force Warrior
8


AIR
Phantom Striker
6


GROUND
Strong Arm APC
1


INFANTRY
Enforcer
2


INFANTRY
Marine Sniper
1


AIR
Stealth Interceptor
1


AIR
S-100 Assault Drone
1


SEA
Silent Hunter
4


SEA
Battalion Transport
1


SEA
Covert Infiltrator
4


GROUND
Swarmer Missile Tank
4


INFANTRY
Urban Tactical Trooper
5


AIR
Sky Prowler
3


AIR
Warfare Helicopter
3


INFANTRY
Tank Hunter
1


GROUND
Mobile Gauss Cannon
3


AIR
Satellite Destroyer
1


AIR
Advance Strike Bomber
5


AIR
Red Steel Jet
1


SEA
Akula Stealth Submarine
1


AIR
Rapid Strike Talon
2


AIR
Flanker Jet
4


INFANTRY
Quick Fighter
1


GROUND
Tiger Tank
5


GROUND
Shilka Anti-Air
1


INFANTRY
Ghost SAS
1


GROUND
Zeus Thunder Tank
2


INFANTRY
Special OPS Infiltrator
6


SEA
Armored Breaker
2


AIR
Prototype Air Transport
3


AIR
Mercenary Fighter
3


AIR
AH-11 Killer
1


GROUND
Mean Interceptor
3


AIR
Harrier Hawk
1


AIR
Black Eagle
2


SEA
Storm Assault Ship
6


GROUND
Jackal Tank Hunter
8


GROUND
Super Stryker
7


SEA
Sea Shaddow
1


SEA
Aqua Bomber
1


AIR
Tactical Fighter
1


GROUND
Ground Trembler
1


AIR
Blackhawk Delta
2


AIR
Fluid Gripen
1


AIR
Night Stalker
3


SEA
Veteran Combat Boat
3


INFANTRY
Elite Mercenary
4


AIR
Advanced Black Hawk
2


SEA
Tarawa Drop Ship
3


GROUND
Sky Sentinel
5


GROUND
Armoured Transporter
1


AIR
Attack Chopper
5


SEA
Pegasus Destroyer
5


INFANTRY
Shadow Operative
6


SEA
Flancraft Carrier
5


SEA
River Raider
6


SEA
Battle Command
3


GROUND
T-80 Tank
2


INFANTRY
Spetsnaz
1


SEA
Battlecruiser
3


AIR
Eagle Helicopter
5


GROUND
Flame Tank
1


AIR
Raptor
5


AIR
Thunder Bird
1


AIR
Super Puma
3


AIR
Prototype Halo Jet
9


AIR
Blackbird Mark II
2


GROUND
Mobile Landing Pad
1


AIR
Tomcat
1


AIR
Viking Incursion Craft
3


AIR
Causeway Bomber
3


GROUND
Lon Range Artillery
5


INFANTRY
Naval Marine
3


AIR
Storm Thunderbolt
1


AIR
Tank Buster
3


INFANTRY
SAW Gunner
4


SEA
Aegis Missile Cruiser
6


GROUND
Panzer Artillery
1


GROUND
Fox Fighter
9


INFANTRY
Delta Breacher
5


INFANTRY
Marine Ops Soldier
2


SEA
Sovereign Transport
3


SEA
Storm Destroyer
1


AIR
Advanced Recon Helicopter
4


INFANTRY
Desert Mercenary
8


AIR
Quick Globe Traveler
1


SEA
Cataclysm Destroyer
8


AIR
Stealth Hunter
1


INFANTRY
Alpine Infantery
1


AIR
Hawk Jet
1


INFANTRY
Heavy Defender
2


AIR
Sub Detection Jet
1


SEA
Spec Ops Cruiser
3


SEA
Battle Catamaran
1


GROUND
T98 Alpha Tank
5


AIR
Globe Traveler
1


GROUND
Leopard Stalker
6


AIR
Reinforced Tiger
1


GROUND
SA-17
1


INFANTRY
Silent Operative
1


AIR
Swift Ospray
1


AIR
Blackjack
1


AIR
Dark Steel Jet
1


SEA
Corsair Destroyer
1


AIR
Interceptor Lynx
1


INFANTRY
Forward Recon
3


INFANTRY
Mountain Insurgent
1


GROUND
Lethal AA
1


INFANTRY
Arctic Delta
2


AIR
Fortune Agressor
1


AIR
Combat Turbo
6


GROUND
M1MP Rhino
5


AIR
Elite Fulcrum
1


SEA
Shore Assault
1


SEA
Deadly Sea Shadow
1


AIR
SV-22
9


AIR
Battle Turbo
2


AIR
Reaper
75


INFANTRY
Grizzled Spetsnaz
1


AIR
Defender Helicopter
1


GROUND
Gladiator Anit-Air Tank
1


INFANTRY
Quick Force
3


SEA
Battle Runner
4


AIR
Sonic Fighter
4


GROUND
Fortified Transport
1


AIR
Sky Fighter
5


AIR
Black Shark Helicopter
1


SEA
Silent SSGN
1


GROUND
Urban Fighter
1


SEA
Fast Attack Craft
1


AIR
Tank Predator
2


INFANTRY
SOAR Pilot
1


GROUND
Heavy Recon Cannon
5


INFANTRY
Fercious Canine Soldier
1


GROUND
Dune Flank
2


INFANTRY
War Fighter
5


GROUND
Desert Destroyer
1


INFANTRY
Havoc Grenadier
1


GROUND
Agressor Roadster
2


SEA
Wave Destroyer
4


GROUND
T-34 Tank
1


GROUND
Air Defense Vehicle
1


AIR
AR Drone
8


AIR
Leathal Fulcrum
1


AIR
Tornado Fighter
10


AIR
Super Cobra
3


SEA
Wave Crasher
1


GROUND
Chilled Artillery
1


GROUND
Jungle Light Tank
3


GROUND
Ariete Battle Tank
9


GROUND
Desert Patrol Vehicle
10


AIR
Assault Jumper
2


SEA
Stealth Ops Craft
14


GROUND
Offensive Trembler
4


INFANTRY
Counter Terrorist
5


SEA
Blockade Enforcer
1


INFANTRY
Silent Scout
1


INFANTRY
Rebel Pirate
1


INFANTRY
MARSOC
9


GROUND
Mortar Jeep
1


AIR
Siege Bomber
1


INFANTRY
Battle Guard
6


INFANTRY
Hardened Contractor
1


AIR
Desert Attack Helo
1


INFANTRY
Rapid Response Marksman
6


SEA
Armored Carrier
1


GROUND
Wolverine Tank
4


AIR
Hornet Chinook
4


GROUND
Strike Roadster
1


GROUND
Tank Destroyer
6


AIR
Incendiary Global Hawk
1


GROUND
Fast Atack Buggy
1


GROUND
T-Rex APC
3


INFANTRY
Militairy Contractor
2


AIR
Wasp Fighter
1


AIR
Jungle Hunter
1


GROUND
Mobile Strike Vehicle
25


AIR
Stealth Striker
1


INFANTRY
Assault Infiltrator
12


GROUND
Advance Strike Robot
1


GROUND
Recon Truck
1


INFANTRY
Assault Trooper
19


GROUND
Crusher Recon Drone
16


INFANTRY
Screaming Eagle
4


GROUND
Porcupine Rocket APC
6


SEA
Stiletto Recon Boat
6


GROUND
Gatling Tank
1


AIR
Sentry Aircraft
70


SEA
Heavy Capital Ship
1


GROUND
Barbarian Tank
1


GROUND
Grizzled Rover
1


INFANTRY
Offensive Infiltrator
1


SEA
Amphibious Elite Ship
6


SEA
Stealth Attack Boat
1


SEA
Water Bomber
5


GROUND
Lone Star
1


SEA
Patrol Torpedo Boat
6


GROUND
Skyguard Mobile SAM
5


AIR
Commando Helicopter
3


INFANTRY
Grizzled Mercenary
5


AIR
Heavy Cargo Plane
1


GROUND
Assault Transporter
16


GROUND
Clear Observer
1


GROUND
Force Recon Transport
24


AIR
Fire Scout
2


INFANTRY
Silent Infantry
1


AIR
Grunt Helicopter
9


INFANTRY
Riot Guard
1


SEA
Sub Hunter
2


AIR
Dragon Tomcat
1


SEA
Swift Landing Craft
1


GROUND
Battle Transporter
3


INFANTRY
Deadly Grenadier
1


SEA
Reinforced Sub
1


INFANTRY
Stealth Specialist
1


AIR
Medic Helicopter
1


INFANTRY
Field Commander
13


AIR
Summit Aircraft
1


AIR
Tiger Comanche
1


SEA
Inquiry Submarine
1


SEA
Rapid Strike Hovercraft
7


GROUND
Ambush Jeep
7


GROUND
Heavy Deliverer
4


AIR
Havoc Bomber
1


SEA
Explorer Submarine
16


INFANTRY
Bomb Disposal Unit
5


INFANTRY
Bomb Disposal Group
4


AIR
Assault Helicopter
1


AIR
Advanced Air Lift
17


GROUND
Elite Siege Transport
1


GROUND
Unmanned Gunner
1


AIR
High Altitude Scout
14


AIR
Battle Air Lift
8


AIR
Air Ambulance
1


GROUND
Heavy Tactical Truck
1


Total 1007

[Jhoemel]

Pretty sure I have below 100 because of being a free player

[Zoltarov]

Pretty sure I have below 100 because of being a free playerAre you sure? I have almost 200 from boss events alone.

[Jhoemel]

Are you sure? I have almost 200 from boss events alone.

I think i have like 90-200 indestructibles

[BigDog146400220]

I'm guessing between 251-500. Not really sure and likely won't ever take time to count them.

[Bronson]

220 exactly for me.

[Selfproclaimed]

If I counted right. - 209

[Mad]

Interesting thread only because I think the gold units are the single biggest problem in MW. We all want them because they can't be destroyed, but in the end they will be the downfall of MW.

I mean if we all have indestructible armies what is the point of this game? We will all hunker down in our gold bunkers and throw snowballs at each other. Occasionally we may hit someone but who cares there will be no damage.

It is the ability to lose that makes the game interesting. If that risk is gone what purpose is there to this game?

Who needs an economy? You can't buy gold with it, so it is increasingly devalued.

Who needs strategy when your most strategic move can be blown apart by an all gold army.

In the end, many will start asking who needs MW?

[Baraka]

I reckon it's less than 100 Ive bought very few crates and units. But I have got a lot of boss ones.

[Copenhagen]

Interesting thread only because I think the gold units are the single biggest problem in MW. We all want them because they can't be destroyed, but in the end they will be the downfall of MW.

I mean if we all have indestructible armies what is the point of this game We will all hunker down in our gold bunkers and throw snowballs at each other. Occasionally we may hit someone but who cares there will be no damage.

It is the ability to lose that makes the game interesting. If that risk is gone what purpose is there to this game.

Who needs an economy? You can't buy gold with it, so it is increasingly devalued.

Who needs strategy when your most strategic move can be blown apart by an all gold army.

In the end, many will start asking who needs MW?

Great point, Mad. I would add that this can be addressed with new higher value cash units, which the game desperately needs. Economy is just for ego unless new units are introduced.

[Baraka]

Great point, Mad. I would add that this can be addressed with new higher value cash units, which the game desperately needs. Economy is just for ego unless new units are introduced.Your right it is, then of Gree did bring out high price indestructables the ones with big economy would gain massively. And ways more satisfying than been able to hold your own as a free player. But on the other hand most ppl with biggest economy are gold players anyway lol.

[Mad]

Great point, Mad. I would add that this can be addressed with new higher value cash units, which the game desperately needs. Economy is just for ego unless new units are introduced.

I think that would really help. In fact, it would be nice to have some cash units with strong against gold ability.

Another thing that would help is to limit how many gold units can be brought into battle. For example, in any given battle or raid at least 25% of the units must be cash/valor units.

It is the ability to lose that makes victory sweet.

[BigDog146400220]

I think that would really help. In fact, it would be nice to have some cash units with strong against gold ability.

Another thing that would help is to limit how many gold units can be brought into battle. For example, in any given battle or raid at least 25% of the units must be cash/valor units.

It is the ability to lose that makes victory sweet.


I don't think this is a viable option. Cash units with strong against gold? There would be no incentive to buy gold units if a free player could use in game cash and beat ur gold army. Interesting idea but no gold buyer would stand for that.

[Zoltarov]

At a certain point your indestructibles are fading out of your army into battle. This is now starting to happen in my army.
I would prefer an option to take a maximum of indestructibles into battle even if it would not be in my favor.

[Gambit12]

I don't think this is a viable option. Cash units with strong against gold? There would be no incentive to buy gold units if a free player could use in game cash and beat ur gold army. Interesting idea but no gold buyer would stand for that.


Thats why if we want a gold army, we gotta work hard as a pro, if you don't have a degree then you gotta work two job in order to buy gold.. This game is going to be for rich people only someday who can beat those lowly free players...

[Mad]

I don't think this is a viable option. Cash units with strong against gold? There would be no incentive to buy gold units if a free player could use in game cash and beat ur gold army. Interesting idea but no gold buyer would stand for that.

Strong against doesn't mean invincible against. I have Global Hawk Drones with a D15 and strong against Air. However, I am under no illusion that if I buy a couple of these, that they will fend off every single air attack. They help, but these drones are not invincible and can themselves be destroyed.

These strong against gold units would only be able to repel gold units, they would not be able to destroy gold units. The gold unit offers no promise other than it "can't be destroyed."

But in order to maintain the long term viability in MW, it is essential to maintain the ability to lose. Without that what is the purpose of playing. If I win everytime, it will quickly become boring.

As it is right now, MW is caught in the unending spiral of needing to provide bigger and better gold units to keep enticing people to buy. Look at the latest event, you can win a unit with 3000 attack -- unheard of.

But a few months ago, the stats of the rare units routinely dropping in the Boss event today were the stats for the most powerful units available at that time.

Gold buyers need to realize that everytime a new more powerful unit (3000 A) comes out, it devalues units they spent hundreds of dollars buying a few months ago. It is inflation MW style.

Part of the problem is MW's revenue stream is based in large part on the purchase of gold units and events featuring gold units, so in order to entice people to keep buying gold units and playing events they must offer bigger and more powerful units.

Could the 3000 A unit in the current event (which some have spent thousands of dollars buying), become the rare drop unit in the Boss event by December?

In order for MW to continue it needs maintain its revenue base. But I would like to see it reduce its dependency on gold unit purchase and have wondered about a second revenue stream such as a monthly subscription which would offset this dependency.

Monthly subscribers would receive benefits such as special units, special maps, special events etc. Lots could be offered.

[boardgames rule]

I have like 59 or so. but i am a free player

[BigDog146400220]

Strong against doesn't mean invincible against. I have Global Hawk Drones with a D15 and strong against Air. However, I am under no illusion that if I buy a couple of these, that they will fend off every single air attack. They help, but these drones are not invincible and can themselves be destroyed.

These strong against gold units would only be able to repel gold units, they would not be able to destroy gold units. The gold unit offers no promise other than it "can't be destroyed."

But in order to maintain the long term viability in MW, it is essential to maintain the ability to lose. Without that what is the purpose of playing. If I win everytime, it will quickly become boring.

As it is right now, MW is caught in the unending spiral of needing to provide bigger and better gold units to keep enticing people to buy. Look at the latest event, you can win a unit with 3000 attack -- unheard of.

But a few months ago, the rare units routinely dropping in the Boss event were the most powerful units available.

Gold buyers need to realize that everytime a new more powerful unit (3000 A) comes out, it devalues units they spent hundreds of dollars buying a few months ago. It is inflation MW style.

Part of the problem is MW's revenue stream is based in large part on the purchase of gold units and events featuring gold units, so in order to entice people to keep buying gold units and playing events they must offer bigger and more powerful units.

Could the 3000 A unit in the current event (which some have spent thousands of dollars buying), become the rare drop unit in the Boss event by December?

In order for MW to continue it needs maintain its revenue base. But I would like to see it reduce its dependency on gold unit purchase and have wondered about a second revenue stream such as a monthly subscription which would offset this dependency on gold unit purchases.

Monthly subscribers would receive benefits such as special units, special maps, special events etc. Lots could be offered.

I understand your point. But you talk about higher value gold units devaluing previously purchased gold units... Of course they are and that's how this game works (for Gree to make money). What do you think offering a stong against gold cash unit does? It would devalue a persons gold units. Only it devalues it in favor of a free player, which they are never going to do and they shouldn't. People who have paid real money should have the advantage.

The only way a subscription based game would work is if they implemented that from the creation of a game. If they tried to change the rules now and implement that strategy it is still only going to upset their big spenders who are paying their salaries.

As I see it, the only way to solve some of these issues are to offer two versions of the game. Have a free player version and then obviously the current version remains the same as it is now. Then free players could play against only free players. Still offer indetructibles in events but do not allow any real money purchases in this version.

[BigDog146400220]

Don't get me wrong, I think Gree has taken things to the extreme. I complain about the leaderboard events catering to the super spenders and it does. But Gree obviously is only looking at what makes the most money and keeps the big gold players happy. They don't care what the free players and light to medium spenders want for the game. They don't care about giving anyone a fair chance. In their mind everyone has a fair chance because everyone has the same option.... To spend real money!

[Mad]

I understand your point. But you talk about higher value gold units devaluing previously purchased gold units... Of course they are and that's how this game works (for Gree to make money). What do you think offering a stong against gold cash unit does? It would devalue a persons gold units. Only it devalues it in favor of a free player, which they are never going to do and they shouldn't. People who have paid real money should have the advantage.

The only way a subscription based game would work is if they implemented that from the creation of a game. If they tried to change the rules now and implement that strategy it is still only going to upset their big spenders who are paying their salaries.

As I see it, the only way to solve some of these issues are to offer two versions of the game. Have a free player version and then obviously the current version remains the same as it is now. Then free players could play against only free players. Still offer indetructibles in events but do not allow any real money purchases in this version.

My point is if you win all the time, what is the point of playing. For me losing and having to develop a strategy to counter my loss is what makes the game interesting.

I don't think a lot of players realize the new units are devaluing their old units. But what concerns me is the rate of inflation -- it is staggering. I remember a few weeks back a person showed a picture of his gold unit he had purchased back in December. It was the powerhouse unit of the day -- a staggering 40A and 20D or something close to that. A week ago a unit came out with 3000 A....

We are agreed on one thing, change is needed. The key to the change is maintaining the revenue stream because without it GREE doesn't exist and neither does this game.

In last auction event, one player on this forum said he spent $2500. In a few months, that unit he won will be the rare drop in the Boss event. What do you think that player is going to do when that happens?

Changes are needed not just for the free players, but for the gold buyers as well.

I believe a subscription could be offered at any time and as long as the monthly cost wasn't astronomical and there was real value, people would subscribe.

[BigDog146400220]

I'm done. Incidental hijacking. Sorry Z buddy!

[Zoltarov]

I'm done. Incidental hijacking. Sorry Z buddy!No worries. I am here a couple of months now as a member (lurker since march), but I did not make a thread yet. This is my first attempt. Actually I never made a thread anywhere before. Lol.

[Dreno33]

No worries. I am here a couple of months now as a member (lurker since march), but I did not make a thread yet. This is my first attempt. Actually I never made a thread anywhere before. Lol.

when did you start the game?

[Dreno33]

I have 85 indestructible units out of 132 total units. haha

[Zoltarov]

when did you start the game?I really started the game the last week of March. I was playing Battle Nations before. My first purchase was a spetsnaz, which is now my avatar.

[Lordsloss]

Mine are over 9,000!!!!!!!

Seriously, I'm not counting. Maybe like 300?

[Baraka]

No worries. I am here a couple of months now as a member (lurker since march), but I did not make a thread yet. This is my first attempt. Actually I never made a thread anywhere before. Lol.Good first thread then m8. As always got onto a Gree debate lol.

[Papa Tom]

980 indestructible units in my army

[RobinoftheHood]

Are we counting the ones that we bring to battle or overall number?

[Dreno33]

Are we counting the ones that we bring to battle or overall number?

overall. 10 characters

[Mcdoc]

I've been wondering this (OP) myself - so I guess I gotta go find KoD's spreadsheet link somewhere and take 45 minutes to log all my units.


As far as the OT conversation that broke out - there is one factor you guys aren't taking into account - and that is NEW players that have yet to discover the game and will jump in at some point and want to catch up. Also - MW just recently came out on Android - so there are future formats that can follow - Facebook - Google Pus - tens of thousands of new (gullible) customers that it will take 6 to 9 months to figure out the Money Fishing that drives this game.

Oh yeah - ALL THE UNITS in CC are basically indestructible and that game isn't over yet.