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BossMan100
08-02-2012, 01:14 PM
So I've just started playing CC like 2-3 weeks ago and it's quite addicting I have to say. I have one character and when I first started out I was confused with how some of the stuff worked. Things like the mafia attack/defense and how it was totaled. Thinking that defense buildings would just keep boosting my stats with what they showed, I purchased a couple and upgraded them to level 3/4, only to find out the actual defense is much lower. Fixed that issue after reading guides on here, but learned some other stuff like buildings I should use to maximize profit and such. But now I'm level 24 and my atk/def is about 740/945 (not on phone, don't remember exact numbers). I guess you could say for my level my attack is pretty low, and I've been lost as to how I can increase it and which items I should be purchasing. Seems like defense is a lot easier to bring up with things like riot helmets (1/8) but I never see any items with high attack stats. Even the 4/3 or 5/4 items (example) don't seem to have a big effect at all. I also haven't won many good loots when doing robberies so it seems my attack will never go up. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but it would be nice if some of the more experienced players could help me out! I'm also not a gold buyer, if anybody is wondering.

ColdMaffiaBaroness
08-02-2012, 01:21 PM
Hey boss. I know attack seems Awesome. But for me Defense is where it's at. Focus on building a strong D and..

1. You will protect your building income
2. People will come rob you and you will win $$
3. People you attack will struggle to revenge

Hope that makes sense

Dr BoneCrusher
08-02-2012, 01:22 PM
http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?17164-Obtaining-higher-attack-defense-stats-A-mini-guide

Some of this info is out dated but I hope it helps

TonySpaghetti
08-02-2012, 01:38 PM
How many mafia do you have?

BaronessBeotch
08-02-2012, 01:42 PM
You should join the baroness, she is the definition of a NOOB

BossMan100
08-02-2012, 01:47 PM
@Tony 46 I believe.

sister morphine
08-02-2012, 02:34 PM
I'd advise forgetting robberies, except for buildings that pay out good respect with low xp, which is lofts and laundromats pretty much. Do attack people to win loot items and gain more respect. That means you'll be getting better weapons without paying out dollars for them. Cash should mainly be used to boost the money buildings on your hood.

TonySpaghetti
08-02-2012, 02:38 PM
The biggest problem that I had when I first started playing was that my mafia was not properly equipped. If you have 46 mafia, make sure that you have at least 46 guns, 46 armor, 46 melee, 46 vehicles (Funzio doesn't believe in carpooling), and 46 explosives. That will maximize your attack score. You always bring your best items into a fight, so even if you have 100 guns, you won't be using them all if you only have 46 mafia.

Swing King
08-02-2012, 07:36 PM
What is the deal with defense buildings? What purpose do they serve? I have a few and have been working on them but what defense do they use?

TonySpaghetti
08-02-2012, 07:38 PM
They come into play when somebody tries robbing you. Your defense used in a robbery is half of your equipment's defense total plus the alue of your defense buildings. Or something like that.

joaquim
08-02-2012, 07:39 PM
What is the deal with defense buildings? What purpose do they serve? I have a few and have been working on them but what defense do they use?

Defense buildings help you with defending your hood. You start off with a level 1 defense building and upgrade it to level 2, you only get half of the stats from the level 1 building. For example a level 1 defense building has 8 defense. Level 2 would have 12, level 3 would have 16, etc etc.
For this reason all of the defense buildings except gatling and missle turrets are ignored. Gatling and missle turrets stay because they're a small footprint so they can fit in the spaces where you can't fit anything else.

TonySpaghetti
08-02-2012, 07:43 PM
For this reason all of the defense buildings except gatling and missle turrets are ignored

What do you mean they're ignored? I have some level 10 bodyguard agencies that I'm quite pleased with.

joaquim
08-02-2012, 07:47 PM
What do you mean they're ignored? I have some level 10 bodyguard agencies that I'm quite pleased with.

Those Bodyguard Agencies are only inflating your profile defense. I don't remember how much profile defense it gives you but its actual defense at level 10 is actually 55 defense not what it tells you when you do the upgrade to level 10.

TonySpaghetti
08-02-2012, 07:49 PM
Those Bodyguard Agencies are only inflating your profile defense. I don't remember how much profile defense it gives you but its actual defense at level 10 is actually 55 defense not what it tells you when you do the upgrade to level 10.

My bodyguard agency is reporting 826 defense.

joaquim
08-02-2012, 08:02 PM
My bodyguard agency is reporting 826 defense.

826 profile defense. It's actual defense is 55. You would need 15 Bodyguard Agencies at level 10 to match that.

TonySpaghetti
08-02-2012, 08:06 PM
826 profile defense. It's actual defense is 55. You would need 15 Bodyguard Agencies at level 10 to match that.

Are you talking about the difference between getting attacked and getting robbed?

joaquim
08-02-2012, 08:07 PM
Are you talking about the difference between getting attacked and getting robbed?

Actual defense. As in the defense that's counted when you get attacked or robbed.

TonySpaghetti
08-02-2012, 08:11 PM
I don't get it.

joaquim
08-02-2012, 08:13 PM
I don't get it.

Read post #11. If you still don't get it, I'll try to make it clearer.

TonySpaghetti
08-02-2012, 08:18 PM
I did, and still don't get it. I thought that the defense used when being attacked was based on your mafia and your weapons' defense scores, while the defense used when being robbed was half of that plus the total of your defense building scores.

If that's not the case and at no point does my bodyguard agency ever contribute 826 towards my defense, then why does it say 826?

TonySpaghetti
08-02-2012, 08:21 PM
I hate this game.

joaquim
08-02-2012, 08:22 PM
I did, and still don't get it. I thought that the defense used when being attacked was based on your mafia and your weapons' defense scores, while the defense used when being robbed was half of that plus the total of your defense building scores.

If that's not the case and at no point does my bodyguard agency ever contribute 826 towards my defense, then why does it say 826?

That's correct. Half weapon defense but when it says full building defense it's actually it's actual defense not profile defense.

The answer to your second point: It's misleading you.

TonySpaghetti
08-02-2012, 08:24 PM
Right, but what you're saying is that it's actual defense is not actually its defense. It might as well say 826,000 if it doesn't mean anything.

joaquim
08-02-2012, 08:29 PM
Right, but what you're saying is that it's actual defense is not actually its defense. It might as well say 826,000 if it doesn't mean anything.

The defense that it shows when you click on the building is it's profile defense. You see that much defense added to your profile but it's actual defense is actually base defense at level 1 + half of base defense. This is how a Bodyguard Agency would go with actual defense.

level 1: 10 actual defense
level 2: 10+5=15 actual defense
level 3: 15+5=20 actual defense
level 4: 20+5=25 actual defense
level 5: 25+5=30 actual defense
level 6: 30+5=35 actual defense
level 7: 35+5=40 actual defense
level 8: 40+5=45 actual defense
level 9: 45+5=50 actual defense
level 10: 50+5=55 actual defense

level 10 Bodyguard Agency actual defense= 55

TonySpaghetti
08-02-2012, 08:35 PM
Right, so again, why add 826 if it's nowhere near that? Makes no sense.

joaquim
08-02-2012, 08:37 PM
Right, so again, why add 826 if it's nowhere near that? Makes no sense.

That I don't know so I'll just say that they're misleading you.

TonySpaghetti
08-02-2012, 08:49 PM
Crime City Mark: can you shed any light?

nopenopenope
08-02-2012, 09:00 PM
ffs, just read this:
http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?15058-Effect-of-Def-buildings-and-skill-points-against-rob-atk-by-Guru-Peacock-again..lol

then this:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=crime+city+wiki+ios&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CF8QFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcrimecityios.wikia.com%2Fwiki%2FD efense_Buildings&ei=ZD4bUPXJEonDrQHbp4DoBA&usg=AFQjCNFRDGrTEAKDkoGJ7k_zvQiO4TDc4g

TonySpaghetti
08-02-2012, 09:47 PM
ffs, just read this:
http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?15058-Effect-of-Def-buildings-and-skill-points-against-rob-atk-by-Guru-Peacock-again..lol

then this:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=crime+city+wiki+ios&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CF8QFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcrimecityios.wikia.com%2Fwiki%2FD efense_Buildings&ei=ZD4bUPXJEonDrQHbp4DoBA&usg=AFQjCNFRDGrTEAKDkoGJ7k_zvQiO4TDc4g

I've already looked at those and my question still remains unanswered: why is there a difference in listed defense vs effective defense. Even in the first link that you mentioned, CCM said that the people's math was wrong.

So... I'm just going to chalk it up to more Funzio BS (probably just a bug that they couldn't be bothered with fixing, just like the ability to hack the game). I'm just going to keep building my missile launchers because they're a good way to waste my time and fake money.

nopenopenope
08-02-2012, 10:00 PM
I've already looked at those and my question still remains unanswered: why is there a difference in listed defense vs effective defense.

because the cake is a lie

don't drink the koolaid

take the red pill (or the blue pill since you've chalk'd)

and all the other cliches

the answers are there, you just have to look

mxz
08-02-2012, 10:12 PM
because the cake is a lieThis was a triumph

Vince the Fist
08-03-2012, 12:16 AM
love the title to this thread, "Help the Noob!?" hehe yeh, good one! really, there's no helping you once you start playing this game. I still choose to believe that defence buildings protect against robs in some small way, but it's an article of faith not based in fact. missile turrets are indubitably useful. don't build gatlings instead get your income and levels up until you can afford the turrets.

Vince the Fist
08-03-2012, 12:18 AM
sorry, I meant inoobitably, not indubitably. badda boom badda bing.

sister morphine
08-03-2012, 02:09 AM
love the title to this thread, "Help the Noob!?" hehe yeh, good one! really, there's no helping you once you start playing this game. I still choose to believe that defence buildings protect against robs in some small way, but it's an article of faith not based in fact. missile turrets are indubitably useful. don't build gatlings instead get your income and levels up until you can afford the turrets.
Well exactly. The vast majority of players don't know how ineffective defence buildings are so a bunch of high level ones can be a good deterrent.

sexkitteh
08-03-2012, 09:42 AM
Hey boss. I know attack seems Awesome. But for me Defense is where it's at. Focus on building a strong D and..

1. You will protect your building income
2. People will come rob you and you will win $$
3. People you attack will struggle to revenge

Hope that makes sense

mmmm.... I'm going to have to disagree with this... defense is useless in this game...

It may protect you at first... but later levels you are going to get robbed no matter what...

Focus on ATTACK! that way you can... well... attack and recover lost income...

If you are going to lose money anyways... might as well be strong enough to recover it... right?

BossMan100
08-03-2012, 11:37 AM
Lol, thanks for the help guys (those who answered my question :P). Interesting discussion about the defense buildings because I also wonder why it's different. That is the reason why I messed up in the game at first. I thought your profile defense would be your actual defense when you get attacked or robbed but it isn't the case. When I'm playing I see so many people just stacking up on defensive buildings thinking that they'll be unbeatable with the stats they have. Half still don't realize that the actual defense being used is much lower. It would be nice if somebody cleared this up. If it wasn't for this site I still wouldn't have known that.

Also another question relating to my initial one, do you need to have 46 cars/guns/etc each if you have 46 mafia for example? I've had a pop-up come up a few times telling me my mafia is weak and I need more cars but I never really understood why.

fuzzy
08-03-2012, 11:44 AM
Simple answer - YES

5 mafia per level

Example
Level 20 x5 = 100

100 Guns
100 Cars
etc....

TonySpaghetti
08-03-2012, 12:13 PM
Also another question relating to my initial one, do you need to have 46 cars/guns/etc each if you have 46 mafia for example? I've had a pop-up come up a few times telling me my mafia is weak and I need more cars but I never really understood why.

Yes. Whatever number of mafia you have, equip them all with one of each item type. Otherwise they're useless. Example: if you have 100 mafia, but only 50 guns, there are only 50 guns going into an attack.

BossMan100
08-03-2012, 12:36 PM
Thanks for clearing that up!

TonySpaghetti
08-03-2012, 12:47 PM
Let us know if your stats improve. :)

BossMan100
08-03-2012, 01:19 PM
Haha, will do! Learning more and more everyday.

montecore
08-03-2012, 02:02 PM
Here is the short advice:

1) Get 50 mafia, build two movie theaters. Get them to level 4 or 5.
2) Get 100 mafia, build two lofts, get them to level 4.
3) Get 300 mafia, build two night clubs, get them to level 3.

Do all of this while staying as low a level as possible.

nopenopenope
08-03-2012, 05:20 PM
Monte's skinny is full of phat content

:)

Swing King
08-03-2012, 08:13 PM
The defense that it shows when you click on the building is it's profile defense. You see that much defense added to your profile but it's actual defense is actually base defense at level 1 + half of base defense. This is how a Bodyguard Agency would go with actual defense.

level 1: 10 actual defense
level 2: 10+5=15 actual defense
level 3: 15+5=20 actual defense
level 4: 20+5=25 actual defense
level 5: 25+5=30 actual defense
level 6: 30+5=35 actual defense
level 7: 35+5=40 actual defense
level 8: 40+5=45 actual defense
level 9: 45+5=50 actual defense
level 10: 50+5=55 actual defense

level 10 Bodyguard Agency actual defense= 55

so basically they augment?

joaquim
08-03-2012, 08:36 PM
so basically they augment?

Yes.......

TonySpaghetti
08-03-2012, 08:38 PM
so basically they augment?

Like the breasts of an insecure girl with too much money. :)