How many bosses....without gold? part IV

[manbeast]

This boss is WAY harder than the last one for me.

This is how far I've been able to make it without gold in the boss events
Boss 1: 24
Boss 2: 20
Boss 3: 18
Boss 4: 9


Boss 4 seems a big ridiculous. Anybody else have a similar trend?

Part 1:
http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?36667-How-many-bosses-can-you-beat-without-using-gold
Part 2:
http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?37168-How-many-bosses....without-gold-part-II
Part 3:
http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?37574-How-many-bosses....without-gold-part-III

[War Priest]

This boss seems easier than the other's. I am on boss 23 and still not having to use gold and have time to spare.

[Lordsloss]

First event I got to boss 14. After that I can't beat boss 9 without gold.

[bigflan]

Mine has been constant

Boss event 1: 25 bosses defeated
Boss event 2: 8 bosses defeated
Boss event 3: 9 bosses defeated
Boss event 4: 9 bosses defeated

[manbeast]

This boss seems easier than the other's. I am on boss 23 and still not having to use gold and have time to spare.

Have you done anything different?? what level are you? I'm lvl 101. maybe i moved up to a higher tier boss, bc he sucks.

[War Priest]

Have you done anything different?? what level are you? I'm lvl 101. maybe i moved up to a higher tier boss, bc he sucks.

Only went up a level or two and increased my stats a little bit.

[CAPT.GIN]

On 23 as well, yea he's much easier then the rest. But I think they nerfed the rares again I only have 1!

[manbeast]

Only went up a level or two and increased my stats a little bit.

Just went to your base. For some reason I thought you were closer to me lvl wise. Anyways... take your sweet time getting to lvl 101. This boss seriously sucks.

[manbeast]

On 23 as well, yea he's much easier then the rest. But I think they nerfed the rares again I only have 1!

I looked at your base as well. When you lvl up to 51, you might get put into a new tier and your boss could get much harder.

[War Priest]

Just went to your base. For some reason I thought you were closer to me lvl wise. Anyways... take your sweet time getting to lvl 101. This boss seriously sucks.

Sorry your having such bad luck. From other's posts, it seem to be much easier.

[manbeast]

Sorry your having such bad luck. From other's posts, it seem to be much easier.

Yea I wasn't expecting that when I got on the forum.

Boss 8-10 cash hits
Boss 9-13 cash hits
Boss 10- 15 cash hits-1 med pack

doing 52k damage each hit.

[Hello Kitty]

Ahhhh...feels like home manbeast! Was waiting for this post :) Hang tight and I'll get my results out there. Hope all is well!!!

[manbeast]

Ahhhh...feels like home manbeast! Was waiting for this post :) Hang tight and I'll get my results out there. Hope all is well!!!

hahaaha glad to have you here HK! Been working crazy hrs for like a week and haven't even looked at the forums.

[Lawyer]

Current level 47 ...

First boss ...27
Second ...... 18
Third ......... 17
Current ... 19 and still going
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[Q Raider]

Nerfed heavily for the over Level 100 players.

Level 200 player data indicates the HP of Elite 30 is about 25 times that of a Level 71 and more than 10 times that of a Level 100.

I started a LLP yesterday.....Beaten boss 12 already, still running cash option. My HLP at close to 90k attack can't get past Boss 8 unless I go the Gold route and that is with the additional two hit advantage.....:rolleyes:

[Ranger4Life]

I definitely think there are tiers and that they are continually tweaking things.

First event I couldn't do much with my lvl140+ account. Got to boss 8.

Second event I created a LLP and was able to get to boss 23 without gold on that account so I ended up spending 180 gold and was able to get to 30.

Third event I started stalling out at around 11 so I started doing tons of PVP to complete valor missions and ended up nearly tripling my attack and gaining 12 levels before I got to level 23 again. Spent around 400 gold this time to get to 30. Last boss required 160X the amount the first boss did.

Forth boss I'm only doing 80% of my attack using the cash option so it's looking like I won't get past 18. Considering I've got all commons so far I'm not going for 30 this time.

[bushobama]

i will max out at 14... unless I add a heavy amount of allies?? Does anyone think it's worth it?

[Zoltarov]

This boss is easier then the last one. Defeated boss 21 with 12 cash and one free hit. Attack is raised however by 11K compared to last event.

[whiskeybravo]

Was only able to get through boss 8. I probably could have done 9 but didn't care to manage the time to that detail.

[Ashmw]

Its harder for me coz i lev up to above lev100. I cant even deaf. Boss no 9 (without using gold) whereas i can beat up to boss no 17 with cash hits on the prev. Boss event.

[albeezy]

This boss seems easier than the other's. I am on boss 23 and still not having to use gold and have time to spare.
Considering the number of gold units you have can you really say you havent spent gold? LOL More power to the priesthood

[manbeast]

Its harder for me coz i lev up to above lev100. I cant even deaf. Boss no 9 (without using gold) whereas i can beat up to boss no 17 with cash hits on the prev. Boss event.

what lvl are you now?? Last I checked we were about the same level, and you had a much higher attack stat. I thought you'd make it past 10

[Selfproclaimed]

Lol. You know that one person at the highest on the poll is wp

[Big John]

Got to boss 11 with a level up, can't do anymore without gold. Now at level 82.

[albeezy]

Lol. You know that one person at the highest on the poll is wp
and the one person who doesnt care is FLAN

[bigflan]

and the one person who doesnt care is FLANHhahahahaahha I got to boss 9 with 2 rares

[Crazy Canuck]

Looks like I will be the exact same 16 bosses sane as last event.

With that being said I dropped 2000 attack points and 130 allies. So I'm thinking if boss is easier for most then army density has nothing to do with boss health strength. It must all be linked to your lvl

[Vballmadam]

I am level 132 and each boss event gets harder for me as well. I needed a medpac to defeat boss 13 - 15. My stats are pretty good but not the greatest by far. Trying to increase my army but don't really notice a difference. I will go as high as i can using medpacs.

[Zoltarov]

I had to buy a medkit on boss 22 for a final free hit on the 14th shot. Finished this boss with a rare armored breaker. At least i do not have to wait 100 minutes for my health to regenerate. Compared to the last event I progressed 3 bosses without using gold.

[Hello Kitty]

Boss 4 - TransOil Hit Squad: Event Progress

Loot units won:



Item #

Type

Unit

Loot

Att

Def

Won



1

Rare

Infantry

Rugged Fighter

130

81

1



2

Rare

Ground

Quick Fight

105

120

3



3

Rare

Sea

Assult Breaker

135

63

1



4

Uncommon

Ground

Farsight Observer

26

50

2



5

Uncommon

Air

Quick Thunderbolt

58

23

3



6

Uncommon

Sea

Quick Destroyer

37

43

4



7

Common

Infantry

Offensive Infiltrator

23

11

7



8

Common

Ground

Battle Transporter

17

20

4



9

Common

Air

Battle Airlift

9

27

5



10

Grand Prize

Infantry

TransOil Hitman

833

567

1






Totals Earned

2061

1704

31




Boss rounds:



31

109


291

$28,702,500

0

540









Boss

Free
Hits

Force $/
Hit

Force
Hits

$

Mega
Hits

Gold

Boss Strength
(free/$)

Level

Allies

Att

Def

Item #



1

1

$7,500


$0



17742

74

135

28313

30706

9



2

1

$11,250


$0



17742

74

135

28313

30717

9



3

1

$15,000


$0



17742

74

135

28313

30728

5



4

2

$18,750


$0



17777

74

135

28355

30733

7



5

2

$22,500


$0



17779

74

135

28355

30733

3



6*

3

$26,250


$0



17844

75

135

28355

30733

2



7

4

$30,000


$0



17901

75

135

28578

30924

8



8

5

$33,750


$0



17901

75

135

28578

30926

7



9

6

$37,500


$0



17903

75

135

28582

30926

7



10

7

$41,250


$0



17905

75

135

28582

30926

7



11

8

$45,000


$0



17906

75

135

28588

30926

8



12

9

$48,750


$0



17907

75

135

28588

30927

6



13

10

$52,500


$0



17967

75

135

28607

30959

8



14*

11

$56,250


$0



17967

75

136

28695

31060

8



15

12

$60,000


$0



17967

75

136

28695

31062

9



16

12

$63,750

1

$63,750



17967/26815

75

136

28695

31072

7



17

8

$67,500

5

$337,500



17969/26819

75

136

28698

31072

6



18

5

$71,250

8

$570,000



17975/26828

75

136

28717

31104

4



19*

2

$75,000

11

$825,000



17922/26748

75

135

28629

31005

4



20


$78,750

14

$1,102,500


20

26754

75

135

28636

31046

9



21*


$82,500

15

$1,237,500


20

26837

75

136

28724

31157

7



22*


$86,250

17

$1,466,250


20

26877

76

136

28730

31157

7



23


$90,000

19

$1,710,000


40

26880

76

136

28754

31224

2



24


$93,750

21

$1,968,750


40

26930

76

136

28796

31229

2



25


$97,500

23

$2,242,500


40

26936

76

136

28803

31270

9



26


$101,250

26

$2,632,500


60

26938

76

136

28803

31281

5



27


$105,000

28

$2,940,000


60

27067

76

136

28847

31286

6



28*


$108,750

32

$3,480,000


60

27274

76

138

29069

31544

5



29*


$112,500

34

$3,825,000


80

27325

77

139

29201

31649

6



30


$116,250

37

$4,301,250


100

27343

77

139

29222

31681

1




*Notes:

Boss 6 = A/D didn't display quick enough in stats from boss 5, but the actual numbers were adjusted to hit boss 6.
Boss 14 = added 1 ally. was 135 now 136. Won event prize Grizzled Rover 23/13.
Boss 19 = dropped 1 ally. was 136 now 135.
Boss 21 = added 1 ally. was 135 now 136.
Boss 22 = Won event prize Rapid Strike Osprey 39/15. Leveled up from 75 to 76.
Boss 28 = +1 Ally.
Boss 29 = +1 Ally. +1 Level.

Prior Events:

Boss 1 - Shamba: data from original post (http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?36667-How-many-bosses-can-you-beat-without-using-gold&p=311730&viewfull=1#post311730)
Boss 2 - Shenk: data from original post (http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?37168-How-many-bosses....without-gold-part-II&p=332582&viewfull=1#post332582)
Boss 3 - Black Death: data from original post (http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?37574-How-many-bosses....without-gold-part-III&p=339563&viewfull=1#post339563)

[narutoban]

I started using gold around boss 24. I spend more gold in this boss event than the last three boss event combined. I started on level 30 with this boss event. I am now in level 32. Also I could not wait any longer so I just used gold after defeating each boss from 27 to 30. I defeat boss 27 then attack somebody then use gold for med pack until I defeated boss 30 to get my prize.

[manbeast]

Wow kitty you are doing really well! I'm actually really surprised you are doing so well in these events with such a low ally count. I thought max allies was the way to go, but I think your data proves otherwise. I wish someone else at lvl 75, with max allies, would record the same data and see if there is a difference.

[JMC]

Got to 8 kills this time around. 17 hits for number 8. They seem to have reduced the multiplier earlier than last event. Also damage being back to normal helped. I used a level up for boss 7 but not sure if i needed it, didnt count how many hits i did.

Used another level up for boss 8.

Boss 9 will def be more than 18 hits though so theres no hope there.

[Giedrybe]

HK, I assume that "boss strength" column stands for your hit value (free/cash), correct?

Wow, I am suprised with boss health multiplayer you have. It is so low. My boss is having like 33-35% health increase in levels from 7-20. Around 50% in levels 1-6.
I can see for you it is around 10%.

At your ally number, your density is very good. What kind of attack army you have? Is it mainly gold units?

Something in your stats is really favourable for beating the boss.

[JMC]

HK, I assume that "boss strength" column stands for your hit value (free/cash), correct?

Wow, I am suprised with boss health multiplayer you have. It is so low. My boss is having like 33-35% health increase in levels from 7-20. Around 50% in levels 1-6.
I can see for you it is around 10%.

At your ally number, your density is very good. What kind of attack army you have? Is it mainly gold units?

Something in your stats is really favourable for beating the boss.

It's because the bosses at lower levels are ridiculously easy compared to those in the higher levels. Not only does the initial value start MUCH lower, but the multipliers are also not as high it seems.

At level 180 my bosses progress about the same as yours and initial strength is 150000 health. 1-6 increased by about 50% per boss making level 6 a bit over 1000000 health. Then it goes up by about 30% per boss, same as you stated. I don't spend gold on these events so 8 is as high as i've gone. Trend seems to continue though, going off the data in Ferr's thread.

[Giedrybe]

JMC, you are level 180, I am level 37 - and we have similar trend in boss health.

And HK is level 75 - her trend is definitely not because she is low level. She is double level than me. So she is out of system for some reason. Thus I am wondering what could cause this. Her density is very good.

I can tell you what I noticed - if I am increasing/decreasing density, it affects the percentage (actual boss hit / my official att value). The better the density, the higher the percentage. After increasing my allies, hit value drops in comparison to att. But increasing allies definitely leads to increased hit value itself.

[Hassleham]

Only managed 10 this time, i need to go up to max allies for the next event, especially if the prize is a sea unit.

[Hello Kitty]

Updated data: http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?37941-How-many-bosses....without-gold-part-IV&p=353313&viewfull=1#post353313

Winnings to date: 2 rare, 5 uncommon, 15 common. Up next boss 23.

Correct Gied, I updated the OP column to reflect boss strength values are free/cash. Yes, I have several gold and event indestructable units - not sure what the ratio is to cash and valor units, but I suspect high for indestructable with my low ally count.

Below is my variance analysis by boss strength and attack/defense stats. Basically at my level and A/D unit density, I'm having to just wait him out and use incremental hits to defeat the next boss. You can go back to the original posts to see the actual loot prize and their effect on boss. Boss gains strength proportional to my strength and winnings - I've done nothing else to improve my army. He grew and lost strength when I added/dropped allies. I'm going to upgrade a boost building during this sequence (hopefully it'll complete before event is done) to see the impact. In KA, I actually got an extra hit out of improving boost.

Boss Strength and My A/D Variance by Boss #:


Boss

Boss Strength
Free

Boss Strength
Cash

Attack

Defense

Loot #



1





9



2

0


0

11

9



3

0


0

11

5



4

35


42

5

7



5

2


0

0

3



6*

65


0

0

2



7

57


223

191

8



8

0


0

2

7



9

2


4

0

7



10

2


0

0

7



11

1


6

0

8



12

1


0

1

6



13

60


19

32

8



14*

0


88

101

8



15

0


0

2

9



16

0


0

10

7



17

2


3

0

6



18

0

4

19

32

4



19*

-53

-80

-88

-99

4



20

0


7

41

9



21

83


88

111

7



22*

40


6

0

7



23

3


24

67






*Notes:

Boss 6 = A/D didn't display quick enough in stats from boss 5, but the actual numbers were adjusted to hit boss 6.
Boss 14 = added 1 ally. was 135 now 136. Won event prize Grizzled Rover 23/13.
Boss 19 = dropped 1 ally. was 136 now 135.
Boss 22 = Won event prize Rapid Strike Osprey 39/15.

[Giedrybe]

HK, regarding the boost buildings - I just tested it few hours ago (had to wait for several upgrades to finish).

I was upgrading Electronics factory. Before the upgrade finish I test the boss with free hit just to write down the value of it. In one hour upgrade has finished and I triggered new boss. No units bought/lost during the interval. My free hit gave me the SAME damage to the boss.

Stats in my profile have increased, but the damage done to the boss remained same. I closed app, opened it again and tested again - same damage done.

Thus I conclude that boost buildings don't have real impact in boss event after this experiment.

In profile our stats are affected by boost buildings, right? Or not?

[JMC]

JMC, you are level 180, I am level 37 - and we have similar trend in boss health.

And HK is level 75 - her trend is definitely not because she is low level. She is double level than me. So she is out of system for some reason. Thus I am wondering what could cause this. Her density is very good.

I can tell you what I noticed - if I am increasing/decreasing density, it affects the percentage (actual boss hit / my official att value). The better the density, the higher the percentage. After increasing my allies, hit value drops in comparison to att. But increasing allies definitely leads to increased hit value itself.

Hmm that's weird. Don't think density has anything to do with it, seeing as i have a higher density than her. Although i have a full army of 2000 units. I haven't tested with too much adding and dropping of allies, as most of my allies are one's i'd want to keep. Got about 150 allies i cannot see though and about 20 grunts. Might ask for the grunts removed sometime, but I don't trust GREE can remove the 150 unseen allies without completely resetting my entire list.

I don't know what's up with your progression but more people seem to have HK's progression in the lower levels than the progression that you are getting. The one you are getting seems to be what everyone's got in the high levels though.


HK, regarding the boost buildings - I just tested it few hours ago (had to wait for several upgrades to finish).

I was upgrading Electronics factory. Before the upgrade finish I test the boss with free hit just to write down the value of it. In one hour upgrade has finished and I triggered new boss. No units bought/lost during the interval. My free hit gave me the SAME damage to the boss.

Stats in my profile have increased, but the damage done to the boss remained same. I closed app, opened it again and tested again - same damage done.

Thus I conclude that boost buildings don't have real impact in boss event after this experiment.

In profile our stats are affected by boost buildings, right? Or not?

I believe it says somewhere that all attacks are based off of raw stats. Therefor boost buildings would not help you.

[jobadass]

I'm finding this Boss much more difficult. To start, the game didn't hit my phone until yesterday (iPhone) and I have no idea why.
I have a couple of suspicions why:

1. have have moved to level 51 (although brought my A/D at 49 from 8k to almost 10k)
2. I have invested most of my $ valor into good sea units. I don't have a well-balanced military.
2A.Is having sea units and being USA not a good combo? Another possibility
3. Too few allies(167) for my level

Previous events I seemed to gain my full-attack on bosses, now about 85% using medium option.

Any thoughts?

Also I could use more allies...some of you have already been kind enough to add me, thanks. 803 646 989

[Giedrybe]

JMC, the certain density per your current level could be the factor. You should definitely not compare your density with HK.

Why I have it as one of potential assumptions - comparing 3rd boss event to 4th one - during the period I invested a lot in attack, what has changed:
1. boss health for me is few percent LOWER
2. I am at +1 level comparing 3rd event and 4th event
3. my attack density is higher
4. my total attack is higher
5. "weight" of attack value in total power (att+def) is higher, but still of def side.
6. event starting ally number higher (87 instead of 82).
7. skill points of +1 level spent for attack.

Thus IF Gree has not changed the mechanism, I did something correct for getting nb1. For sure nb2 does not help, logically it should make a bit harder or stay at same level, if there are some difficulty brackets. Nb4 is also clear. But is nb4 affecting boss starting health - I doubt. It should affect only your hit. So there are other points which potentially had impact on making boss health a bit lower for me. Increase percent stayed the same, but boss health is lower!

[Giedrybe]

jobadass,

logically higher level should mean a bit stronger boss, but game also assumes that with leveling up you also increase your attack power. So the relative strength of the boss per level still is one of the main unanswered questions here.

Additional attack is additional attack. This cannot hurt. Regarding your combo - sea attack, but you being USA - only means that you are not utilising the potential bonus of the nation. Being UK you would have ADDITIONAL bonus to your stats, but being USA does not harm them. So logically you should consider if you don't want to switch to UK. It pretty much depends are you free player or spending gold. If gold, no big sense to remain USA, unless your bottle neck is stamina recovery.

Regarding allies - at what allies you've been in previous boss?

[jobadass]

jobadass,

logically higher level should mean a bit stronger boss, but game also assumes that with leveling up you also increase your attack power. So the relative strength of the boss per level still is one of the main unanswered questions here.

Additional attack is additional attack. This cannot hurt. Regarding your combo - sea attack, but you being USA - only means that you are not utilising the potential bonus of the nation. Being UK you would have ADDITIONAL bonus to your stats, but being USA does not harm them. So logically you should consider if you don't want to switch to UK. It pretty much depends are you free player or spending gold. If gold, no big sense to remain USA, unless your bottle neck is stamina recovery.

Regarding allies - at what allies you've been in previous boss?I am a 100% free player. And was far below my max allies on my past 2 events (I missed the 1st), I've grown my allies to almost max and it doesn't help much.
I went 17, 17 and now at 10 with a level up. I'm not complaining, I,ve picked up 7 rares through the 3 events I've been in:)

[Hello Kitty]

Beat Boss TransOil!

Final results: 5 rare, 9 uncommon, 16 common. 540 gold total.

Starting stats: Level 74, 135 allies, 28313 A/30706 D. Boss strength = 17742.
Ending stats: Level 77, 139 allies, 30237 A/32486 D. Boss strength = 27343.
Boss tracker: http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?37941-How-many-bosses....without-gold-part-IV&p=353313&viewfull=1#post353313

[Copenhagen]

Beat Boss TransOil!

Final results: 5 rare, 9 uncommon, 16 common. 540 gold total.

Starting stats: Level 74, 135 allies, 28313 A/30706 D. Boss strength = 17742.
Ending stats: Level 77, 139 allies, 30237 A/32486 D. Boss strength = 27343.
Boss tracker: http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?37941-How-many-bosses....without-gold-part-IV&p=353313&viewfull=1#post353313

Congrats, Kitty! Tough to figure out the formula for these events other to be at the top of you grouping for level and allies..

[Lawyer]

Ok 1st boss level 28, 2nd level 18, 3rd level 17, 4th level 20

Breakdown ... 2 rare both the sea breaker so I cannot complain..... 6 uncommon mostly the air one with high attack.... 12 common...

This is the lowest rare distribution I have had for boss events...but made it up with the uncommons.

My stats for those that are curious.. Level 47 thru entire event... Attack was between 14,100 to 14,600...per the boss. I think I noticed something... I was getting the boost bonus until I did an upgrade on one of them.. When I did, it appeared I didn't get any of the boosts.... Will have to watch that during the next event ...which should be in a few days.

[Hello Kitty]

Congrats, Kitty! Tough to figure out the formula for these events other to be at the top of you grouping for level and allies..Thanks Cope! Yeah, It's got me baffled too. Will be interesting to see when I level up to 80's what happens.