New area loot? anyone know?

[Second Comming]

Another kick in the balls from greezio.

[hinofwars]

Are you effing kidding me? I levelled up to 145 just now.

Ouch! That's hurt! :(

[BOS]

I guess this was creating an " imbalance" in the game... This is complete horse sh.it

[Bea]

Typical spoilsports!

[doinkent]

well thanks for ruining it for us all by just discussing it openly. didnt you all learn from previous experience?

[sez]

I still got 2 this morning out of 5 or 6 tries. I probably won't get any more today but oh well. What else am I going to waste my energy on? Is anyone surprised? So it's going to take longer to get TLC's, whatever.

[sez]

I guess this was creating an " imbalance" in the game... This is complete horse sh.it

Long "Walk of shame" this morning B? Stop b.itching s.kank, j/k j/k. I'm coming over later, need you to look at something and tell me if I should go to the Dr.

[DenZ1]

Not suprise that they changed the drop rate. I think this will end my farming in TLC because the 0.15 drop rate is just too low.

It is funny that the dev team has time to change the drop rate and locations, but they don't have time to fix the game.

To change rate they need to change couple of numbers. To fix the game they need to think a bit. I guess this is a luxury for them now :)

[BOS]

Long "Walk of shame" this morning B? Stop b.itching s.kank, j/k j/k. I'm coming over later, need you to look at something and tell me if I should go to the Dr.

Should be "Walk of fame" with the stuff I did last night :D

[Dr Girlfriend]

Ok here's the deal.There are 8 loot locations that got changed...all in the Cartel Compound.

Cut Brakes (aka non-stretch limo) (Last Call) dropped from .3 drop to .15 :(
Take out Guard (Desperado) dropped from .22 to .2
Find Records (Street Envy) dropped from .4 to .2
Hack Computer (Skate Gear) dropped from .44 to .3
Dismantle (Last Call) dropped from .35 to .25
Burn Down (Steel Fists) dropped from .45 to .35
Terminate (Street Envy) dropped from .43 to .23
Execute (Desperado) dropped from .4 to .3

Are you sure it was "dismantle" that got nerfed, and not "annihilate"?

Also, maybe I missed it, but where do you get your info? Definitely appreciate it! :)

[mxz]

Are you sure it was "dismantle" that got nerfed, and not "annihilate"? Yep. Annihilate did not get changed. It was already a low 25%.

[Johnny70]

oh yeah the devs are real concerned with balance, I guess we all need to go by droid devices so we can all have 500 top scratcher prizes and heII I want ten diamond sigs too. the game is shlt the forum is shlt and why should gree\funzio care? the line is long folks, as soon as you step off there are two to replace you so if you think for one moment any complaining or anything else you can come up with to try is going to get them to do anything but suck all of the cash out of each and every wallet or purse that they can then you need to get out more you live a sheltered life, set down the phone and go to the beach

[sez]

oh yeah the devs are real concerned with balance, I guess we all need to go by droid devices so we can all have 500 top scratcher prizes and heII I want ten diamond sigs too. the game is shlt the forum is shlt and why should gree\funzio care? the line is long folks, as soon as you step off there are two to replace you so if you think for one moment any complaining or anything else you can come up with to try is going to get them to do anything but suck all of the cash out of each and every wallet or purse that they can then you need to get out more you live a sheltered life, set down the phone and go to the beach

Hey Johnny, it'll be ok bro


http://youtu.be/PiK8mGOowN4

[mxz]

Hey Johnny, it'll be ok broFo real...its just a loot item. Let's not freak out and riot in Anaheim over it.

[Swingle007]

Glad I got what I did while the getting was good....

[hinofwars]

Glad I got what I did while the getting was good....

Totally agree!

[<3 Hz]

Isn't the Cartel Clubhouse in the Cartel Compound map supposed to drop loot?

I've wasted 8,000 energy on it & have come up empty.

[mxz]

Isn't the Cartel Clubhouse in the Cartel Compound map supposed to drop loot?

I've wasted 8,000 energy on it & have come up empty.Drop rate got cut to 20%. .43 drops per 1000 energy is expected...so, unlucky.

[Paulio]

That sucks, I'm getting to level 145 today :(

[NightDragon]

I have gotten 10 so far since the event ended :). At 55 now

[Babytway]

i had a good day as well but not quite 10. but i did have a turnaround in the afternoon evening but morning sucked arse

[eka6484]

C'mon guys when will you learn? Every time people start posting info like this funzio/greed waste no time nerfing the drop rates.

[Swifty]

The developers are not making decisions based on forum posts.

They are looking at data dumps from the game. They know how many people looted how much gear, and they did not like the numbers they were seeing.

[Illuminati]

The developers are not making decisions based on forum posts.

They are looking at data dumps from the game. They know how many people looted how much gear, and they did not like the numbers they were seeing.

In other words, they didn't like the fact that there was a way for free players to get decent loot, despite the fact that these events are specifically catered to heavy gold users. So for purposes of BALANCE (LOL), they nerfed the drop rates. I'm surprised they didn't just remove the item altogether like they did with the M4A1s. This game sucks...I feel like I'm ready to call it quits.

[i need muney]

Anyone zoomed in on the recent data update?

[Babytway]

i haven't heard a peep

[Dipstik]

Never mind... this site doesn't seem to support audio html tags...

[Crime City Mark]

I'll try to post breakdowns on each of the new zones as they come out. I'll see if I can get us to spoil some of the loot, but not exactly where it drops.

[Crime City Mark]

The developers are not making decisions based on forum posts.

They are looking at data dumps from the game. They know how many people looted how much gear, and they did not like the numbers they were seeing.

We do make some decisions based on forum posts. I'm submitting weekly reports on what the community is discussing, as well as monthly post-mortems on events and campaigns.

[Babytway]

hip hip hooray, 3 cheers for CCMark, you do care about us, i knew it.

[Swifty]

Heh, OK, I stand corrected.

No more discussion of loot drops on the forums is advisable.

[mxz]

We do make some decisions based on forum posts. I'm submitting weekly reports on what the community is discussing, as well as monthly post-mortems on events and campaigns.Snitch? Say it ain't so...

[Babytway]

Heh, OK, I stand corrected.

No more discussion of loot drops on the forums is advisable.


but sharing is caring

[Crime City Mark]

You do know that I submit these reports to try to get your requests noticed and worked on, right? I'm not ratting you out unless you're actually hurting the game.

[mxz]

You do know that I submit these reports to try to get your requests noticed and worked on, right? I'm not ratting you out unless you're actually hurting the game.Are you saying you had absolutely nothing to do with TLC drop rates getting nerfed? You didn't mention how much excitement was built up around them? Didn't mention that everyone wanted those sweet sweet terrorist style non-consumable bombs?

[Crime City Mark]

Are you saying you had absolutely nothing to do with TLC drop rates getting nerfed? You didn't mention how much excitement was built up around them? Didn't mention that everyone wanted those sweet sweet terrorist style non-consumable bombs?

Yup, that's correct. I had literally nothing to do with that. I generally don't mention specific items unless they sound fishy or are dramatically unbalancing the game (like the gun in CC back in the day).

[Vile Lynn]

Interesting. Drop rate lowered to .15...I guess it was a matter of time before they took it away.

MXZ - Belated thanks for confirming the lowered TLC drop rate...

very interesting, eh?
(rhetorical sarcasm)

[Vile Lynn]

You do know that I submit these reports to try to get your requests noticed and worked on, right? I'm not ratting you out unless you're actually hurting the game.

Then I would like to know: did the drop rate get lowered because it was "hurting the game"?

[vitus79]

whats more depressing than lowered droprates is the fact that after Thuglife 500 there is NO reward. u can imagine how dissapointing that is, especially when u have to hit the same dozen players all day long coz the 499ers are all over. thousands of fights for nothing. not hoping for more thuglifes if theres nothing at the end again

[mxz]

Yup, that's correct. I had literally nothing to do with that. I generally don't mention specific items unless they sound fishy or are dramatically unbalancing the game (like the gun in CC back in the day).Hmm, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Can you break down how imbalances like the M4A1 are identified, analyzed and corrected? What's your criteria for "imbalance"?

[Daniel2115]

Yup, that's correct. I had literally nothing to do with that. I generally don't mention specific items unless they sound fishy or are dramatically unbalancing the game (like the gun in CC back in the day).

The game is even more unbalanced once you guys nerf the guns and explosives! Now some people were lucky enough to get them and most of us didn't get any, so how does taking them out make the game more fair? When the guns are in the game we all have a fair chance to get them so I dont see how it makes it unbalanced. I guess it makes more sense though for only some people to get it for free and not others, sounds alot more fair.

[Giedrius]

Yup, that's correct. I had literally nothing to do with that. I generally don't mention specific items unless they sound fishy or are dramatically unbalancing the game (like the gun in CC back in the day).Yeah good old M4 days. To be honest now I agree with nerfing. As I got 400 M4A1's for a very long time gun position was left untouched. There was no strategy to improve on stats in this category apart from gold items. Regards new loots I think Last call was a bit unbalanced as I looted 80 in a week or so, and in this pace in couple months everyone could max it out and it would take away only category of consumables. Consumable category is good for game. And no I don't want RP explosives I want more powerfull RP items in other 4 categories.

[Daniel2115]

. To be honest now I agree with nerfing. As I got 400 M4A1's

If I had 400 m4s I wouldn't care about them nerfing either lol

[fuzzy]

If I had 400 m4s I wouldn't care about them nerfing either lol

Exactly...at this point RPG's are still adding a plus 29 to my attack (replacing my rusty's). I could be using Respect towards Exelero's if I had 400 of the gun.

So now I farm ECB for vehicle and Respect goes towards RPG's.

[Crime City Mark]

We identify imbalances in the game based on a formula. Each zone should only be giving out items worth a certain amount of stat points. The M4 was mistakenly placed in a zone far too low of a level, so the ROI was completely out of whack.

As for TLC, I honestly don't know why the drop rate was changed. I'm not informed of things like that in most cases, but I can try to find out.

[Crime City Mark]

Farming should always be a viable option, but I also want to make sure that cash and respect are also viable. I'm talking to the design team on a regular basis and trying to get some cash and respect items added for people sitting on vast fortunes.

[TonySpaghetti]

Farming should always be a viable option, but I also want to make sure that cash and respect are also viable. I'm talking to the design team on a regular basis and trying to get some cash and respect items added for people sitting on vast fortunes.

In that case, please take a look at my post on RP Explosives. :)

[Gaming Will]

Farming should always be a viable option, but I also want to make sure that cash and respect are also viable. I'm talking to the design team on a regular basis and trying to get some cash and respect items added for people sitting on vast fortunes.

There needs to be a point to the in game cash besides explosives.

[Tissues]

@CCM - Will that also be level dependent to obtain, be it Cash or Respect item??
Should i start to bank my RP coins then??

[Giedrius]

If I had 400 m4s I wouldn't care about them nerfing either lolI would like to be able to give some as I don't use any of them :)

[Crime City Mark]

I'm not saying any of this is going to be added. I'm just saying that's a direction I'm trying to take with the design team.

[joaquim]

I would like to be able to give some as I don't use any of them :)

Can I have some?

[Daniel2115]

We identify imbalances in the game based on a formula. Each zone should only be giving out items worth a certain amount of stat points. The M4 was mistakenly placed in a zone far too low of a level, so the ROI was completely out of whack.


People were still able to get huge amounts of the m4, so wouldn't it seem fair to just leave it in the game and let everyone have a shot at getting them? Maybe lower the drop rate on it or something so it's not so easily looted. Now theirs a group of people whose stats were boosted so much because of the m4 which we don't have a chance at obtaining.

[Giedrius]

Exactly...at this point RPG's are still adding a plus 29 to my attack (replacing my rusty's). I could be using Repect towards Exelero's if I had 400 of the gun.So now I farm ECB for vehicle and Repect go towards RPG's.Yeah, but you have more options-strategy how to use your RP, M4A1's took away one of my choises.That's why I don't want Easy Last Calls as it takes away opportunity-dilemma to buy explosives or not.

[Giedrius]

Can I have some?NO, you are under age.

[Giedrius]

People were still able to get huge amounts of the m4, so wouldn't it seem fair to just leave it in the game and let everyone have a shot at getting them? Maybe lower the drop rate on it or something so it's not so easily looted. Now theirs a group of people whose stats were boosted so much because of the m4 which we don't have a chance at obtaining.Not exactly truth. Most of us who play from start- M4 era are more advanced and higher levels then anyone who started later. And as I mentioned I don't use any of them. I you noticed most of event prizes, loots is guns and M4 mainly replaced by them, other replaced by gold/crate guns. Only ones who is in disadvantage is free players. But even they then going to reach my level (200) will have enough event drops, RPG's to minimalise effect of M4's

[Daniel2115]

Not exactly truth. Most of us who play from start- M4 era are more advanced and higher levels then anyone who started later. And as I mentioned I don't use any of them. I you noticed most of event prizes, loots is guns and M4 mainly replaced by them, other replaced by gold/crate guns. Only ones who is in disadvantage is free players. But even they then going to reach my level (200) will have enough event drops, RPG's to minimalise effect of M4's

Just because you replaced yours with gold items doesn't mean everyone else did too. You really think no one that got all those m4s uses them anymore? Come on now lol. Also, it doesn't matter that you've since replaced them you still used them towards your stats at one point and beat people that weren't able to get them. You were just fortunate enough to be able to replace the guns or else you'd still be using them

[murf]

Not exactly truth. Most of us who play from start- M4 era are more advanced and higher levels then anyone who started later. And as I mentioned I don't use any of them. I you noticed most of event prizes, loots is guns and M4 mainly replaced by them, other replaced by gold/crate guns. Only ones who is in disadvantage is free players. But even they then going to reach my level (200) will have enough event drops, RPG's to minimalise effect of M4's

I still use 229 M4's for attack (slowly being replaced by RPGs) and 382 for defense (those will never be fully replaced).

[i need muney]

Latest dataset anyone???

[Swingle007]

All I can say is that I got 5 last calls today, and that's the most I've gotten in quite awhile. Maybe things are looking up! 108 Last Calls and counting people..... ;-)