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Dr BoneCrusher
07-15-2012, 07:07 AM
Never really understood why such a premium is put on non-consumable bombs. Consumable bombs are the easiest thing in crime city to get. All it takes is in game money and how hard is that to get? We all build our hoods up and rob other people for money why spend a gold premium on something you can buy? Armour is the real golden grail of crime city. At 17 attack for the best in-game item and a full 9 to 20 point lower attack then any other other end game item, high attack armour is the real premium in cime city. Happy buying people!

Euchred
07-15-2012, 07:11 AM
This is true Dr.

Luke 3457
07-15-2012, 08:35 AM
I just like them because explosives are my weakest area there for they increase my stats the most. Even tho I have 400 napalms and 250 sarin gas bombs.

Beardy
07-15-2012, 10:32 AM
I just like explosions...

in-game j
07-15-2012, 10:36 AM
Post-explosion-implosion

defecation.
Is quite a sensation.

G Wiz
07-15-2012, 01:34 PM
Interesting prognosis Dr.

dirtyhacking
07-15-2012, 02:17 PM
Check this out....www.franksdirtyhacking.com

Max Power
07-15-2012, 08:34 PM
Just for yucks I bought 500 defense bombs (the ones with 6 defense) , just to see how long they would last before going away. It took 5 days.

Yes, you can just buy them, but I am not buying 75 mill worth of landmines per week, thanks.

procsyzarc
07-15-2012, 08:39 PM
I kept up with landmines for a couple of weeks but was costing 20M per day (and offering no real protection since those who can pass 55kdef can usally also pass 67.5k too) plus 5M or so on starlins meant couldn't upgrade anything else at any real speed and 25M per day is out of most peoples price ranges. Although I do agree with the OP explosives are the one point in building an economy if you are going to get non consumable ones then there is no need at all

mxz
07-15-2012, 09:28 PM
I reinstalled today (iphone) and got a message to the effect of "explosives just got better, go to the store". I had just reinstalled iPad HD and didn't receive the same. Accidentally clicked on the prompt while trying to screenshot.

xXSycoXx
07-16-2012, 02:55 AM
Just for yucks I bought 500 defense bombs (the ones with 6 defense) , just to see how long they would last before going away. It took 5 days.

Yes, you can just buy them, but I am not buying 75 mill worth of landmines per week, thanks.

Max surely Landmines would last a hell of a lot longer than Stun Grenades and wouldn't disappear after 5 days

SevenO9
07-16-2012, 04:10 AM
Max surely Landmines would last a hell of a lot longer than Stun Grenades and wouldn't disappear after 5 days

what makes you think so?

i agree with max, consumable def explosives are a big waste of money. attack ones are a different story i used well.

Dr BoneCrusher
07-16-2012, 04:43 AM
I never really looked at it from a defensive POV, the best defense in this game is a good offense and consumable bombs are a fast easy way to raise your attack.

Max Power
07-16-2012, 05:48 AM
what makes you think so?

i agree with max, consumable def explosives are a big waste of money. attack ones are a different story i used well.

Exactly. I had 500 Napalms and upgraded to Sarin Gas grenades. Guess what blows up every time I lose one? That's right, the Sarin Gas Grenades. Just because explosives cost more r have higher stats doesn't mean they are more explosion resistant.


I never really looked at it from a defensive POV, the best defense in this game is a good offense and consumable bombs are a fast easy way to raise your attack.

Why wouldn't you? That's half the deal.

Dr BoneCrusher
07-16-2012, 06:03 AM
@Max Power, I have learned a few things so far in this game. Someone will always spend more then you, you will lose when attacked and be robbed and the most important thing is you can rob someone with a defense that is double your attack. O, and leveled defensive buildings are a waste. So, IMO attack is the be all end all in Crime City.

Dr BoneCrusher
07-16-2012, 01:06 PM
No other POV's

Swearengen
07-16-2012, 01:18 PM
Seems like it's 50 / 50 if people even bother with explosives as they cost. So unless you have a great econ to replace them, it is an area most people are weak in. Therefore non-consumable pts in this catagory give you an advantage as a good portion of people don't have any pts added to their stats here...

Second Comming
07-16-2012, 02:02 PM
the best defense in this game is a good offense and consumable bombs are a fast easy way to raise your attack.

Attack and defence affect different parts of the game, if your attack/offense is high, it will not change your defense. Sorry to nitpik, im just used to seeing that phrase used to describe certain sports where good offence most certainly affects your defence because you will arguably not be defending as much (although you then become open to counters etc..).


Exactly. I had 500 Napalms and upgraded to Sarin Gas grenades. Guess what blows up every time I lose one? That's right, the Sarin Gas Grenades. Just because explosives cost more r have higher stats doesn't mean they are more explosion resistant.


if you have 500 of each only the Sarins are taken into battle? So losing 2-3 per loss or 1-3 on occasion if your within ~25% of your targets actual PVP defence will always take the Sarins.

Dr BoneCrusher
07-16-2012, 02:20 PM
Second Comming, IMO players look at another players attack and decide if they should attack the other player or not. Most defenses are bolted with Dbuildings and with the ability to win a robbery agains a player with double your attack, defense play a small role in the decision process. Most players look at as if they can gain more then they can lose if the player returns the attack. So IMO attack is where it's at.

Second Comming
07-16-2012, 03:09 PM
To quote you...

"Death is the only Truth, everything else is a lie that needs to be Challenged"

:)

procsyzarc
07-16-2012, 03:11 PM
Max surely Landmines would last a hell of a lot longer than Stun Grenades and wouldn't disappear after 5 days

The cost makes no diffrence they blow up just as fast, gold players will usally blow up 3-4 of your landmines with every attack. Which means if you are using them unless a building can be collected on time every time or gives you over 1M per collection it generally isn't worth having

Plux
07-16-2012, 04:12 PM
Your point of view is your loss Dr Bonecrusher. Defence Rules all 3 games by Funzio :-)

Permanent Explosives are some of the most valuable items in the game. I'd carefully consider your theory before dismissing a horrendously expensive and damaging class of item.

Sarin is a user choice to burn, Landmines aren't, they are a rival's choice to burn yours. Just think, 10 Permanent explosives could be enough to prevent any further explosives ever being consumed! Food for thought!

Dr BoneCrusher
07-16-2012, 04:28 PM
[QUOTE=Plux;332548]Your point of view is your loss Dr Bonecrusher. Defence Rules all 3 games by Funzio :-)[/QUOTE

I only base my opinion on in game experience. I almost daily rob players with much higher defense then my attack and it really burns them up. If I put the time and effort into defense and some on with 1/2 my defense in attack robs me I would explode. But if you know some about defense me and most others are missing I am willing to learn.

Second Comming
07-16-2012, 04:37 PM
I only base my opinion on in game experience. I almost daily rob players with much higher defense then my attack and it really burns them up. If I put the time and effort into defense and some on with 1/2 my defense in attack robs me I would explode. But if you know some about defense me and most others are missing I am willing to learn.

For starters, listed profile defence is not a persons actual defence if they have defence buildings above level 1 in their hood.

For defence buildings (say Agency) you get:

lvl1 10def
lvl2 15def
lvl3 20def
lvl4 25def
lvl5 30def
lvl6 35 def
lvl7 40def
lvl8 45def
lvl9 50def
lvl10 55def (when the listed building defence and addition to profile defence is over 800)

I gurentee you will not be robbing a person whose defence is actually double your att in the rob fight screen above 15k stats (except maybe the occasional very lucky hit). However the calculations for robbing are different to PVP attacks, especially where explosive usage is concerned and are most definately easier to win. Post a pic of you robbing a guy with defence double your attack and I will bow my head to you.

Dr BoneCrusher
07-16-2012, 05:02 PM
My best robbery agains real defense and that is what is on the screen after the attack is players defense was 63272 and my attack was 36782. My stamina was 52 and it took me 27 attempts to get 4 win on 2 level ten night clubs. I posted it a month or so ago on another thread.

Plux
07-16-2012, 06:22 PM
Dr B, you are right and wrong. But I have to speak up for Defence as it needs more careful thought than Attack. I always go against the grain so I'm speaking up but I typically agree with your postings, I'll say so more often!
On explosives without gold, you are spot on, but Gold Permanent explosives can buffer your cash explosives really effectively. It goes back to Gold and cost but you are spot on in the cash only sense as it's important to make use of that 5th weapon class which most are afraid to take advantage of.

Deluxe
07-16-2012, 07:11 PM
My best robbery agains real defense and that is what is on the screen after the attack is players defense was 63272 and my attack was 36782. My stamina was 52 and it took me 27 attempts to get 4 win on 2 level ten night clubs. I posted it a month or so ago on another thread.

Was that 'kratos'?

Dr BoneCrusher
07-16-2012, 07:23 PM
Was that 'kratos'?

Xepher it think, he had to level 9 casino, also

Second Comming
07-17-2012, 09:52 AM
Still, defence is playing a major part in that guys rob defence, for me, It would of cost me 1-3m fair in att xplosives to go 27 for 4 hits, but I would obviously do it - is the guy u robbed a cheat? Sounds like it to have 2x lvl10 clubs and 2x lvl9 casinos.